Judyth Baker on the Russian Class
Martin Shackelford
evening classes --was verified...
1. Early in 1959, Col. Doyle and his military friends asked me to learn
Russian. They had nobody in the area interested in the sciences who knew
any Russian. They knew I was conducing cancer research experiments by 1959,
thanks to Dr. Michaelson, who organized equipment and tests, etc. for bright
students at my high school interested in science -- but again, especially
for me (by the way, nobody can find the man's name anymore in the records,
though he went on to attend important conferences in radiation and
genetics...yet we have an extensive article on Michaelson and his important
visit to my high school in my national award-winning high school
newspaper..). Michaelson organized interest in my work and in equipping the
school with advanced science equipment.
2. I told the retired officers that I had to have an instructor.
3. I had to attend classes during the day at high school. I could not
attend classes in Russian during regular high school class hours.
4. They finally found someone who could teach at night ---Dr. Concevitch.
5. Dr. Concevitch taught me privately in1959.
6. In 1960, the night class at the college finally 'made.' I was enrolled
and attended as often as I could. Due to many events (I haven't gone into
detail, but this included science fairs at various levels at night, etc.
throughout the state, fund-raising events, a 'brain bowl' event, and finally
the International science fair), I missed too many classes and changed to
'audit.'
7. I audited classes in 1961, as my mother's letter indicates.
8. The Russian night class was created expressly because I couldn't go to
day classes.
9. Of course, other students had to attend so the class would 'make' -- or
otherwise, it would have still been private tutoring, a drive to Sarasota,
which required a car trip, whereas in 1959-60 I lived only two blocks from
the community college, an easy walk.
10. It was expensive getting private lessons from Dr. Concevitch, though I
didn't have to pay for them. It cost my sponsors just as much to have him
teach at night at the college. The fees also that I should have paid, were
paid for me.
I never thought I'd have to go into such meticulous detail for such a simple
matter. I do appreciate the efforts made to obtain records from the past.
I do not understand why hostile comments have to accompany these efforts.
Had I said "Oswald killed JFK" I believe hostility toward me would be
markedly less. I wasn't lying when I said the course was organized
especially for me. It was the simple truth.
Barb Junkkarinen
A NEW CLAIM! NOW that she first took PRIVATERussian lessons in 1959
with Concevitch!
She does maintain the class at Manatee Jr. College was started just
for her .... but, as posted previously, there are 3 things in print
that show manatee Jr College already had a Russian class up and going
as early as the Fall of 1958 (when the college first opened its
doors).
1. An article on the increase in the number of schools teaching
Russian between 1957 & 1959.
2. A presentation by the person teacher Russian at Manatee on the
subject of having a Russian class at a junior college at a conference
in 1958 ... article about it published early 1959.
3. The Fall 1959 catalog for Manatee Junior College listing Russian as
a class for both Fall 1959 & Spring 1960.
(Complete citations and links already posted)
On 15 May 2008 10:34:37 -0400, "Martin Shackelford"
William Yates
> a) in 1999, a record of my being enrolled and attending Russian in 1960 --
> evening classes --was verified...
>
> 1. Early in 1959, Col. Doyle and his military friends asked me to learn
> Russian. They had nobody in the area interested in the sciences who knew
> any Russian. They knew I was conducing cancer research experiments by 1959,
> thanks to Dr. Michaelson, who organized equipment and tests, etc. for bright
> students at my high school interested in science -- but again, especially
> for me (by the way, nobody can find the man's name anymore in the records,
> though he went on to attend important conferences in radiation and
> genetics...yet we have an extensive article on Michaelson and his important
> visit to my high school in my national award-winning high school
> newspaper..). Michaelson organized interest in my work and in equipping the
> school with advanced science equipment.
In her book judyth claims she wanted to learn Russian so she could read
Russian research journals.
>
> 2. I told the retired officers that I had to have an instructor.
>
> 3. I had to attend classes during the day at high school. I could not
> attend classes in Russian during regular high school class hours.
>
> 4. They finally found someone who could teach at night ---Dr. Concevitch.
Reigler taught Russian and Italian during the 59-60 academic year. The
Manatee catalog lists her as part of the Evening Faculty Division. Now why
did they need to hire an evening Russian instructor especially for Judyth
when they already had an evening Russian instructor?
>
> 5. Dr. Concevitch taught me privately in1959.
A new claim, for which no proof is offered.
>
> 6. In 1960, the night class at the college finally 'made.' I was enrolled
> and attended as often as I could. Due to many events (I haven't gone into
> detail, but this included science fairs at various levels at night, etc.
> throughout the state, fund-raising events, a 'brain bowl' event, and finally
> the International science fair), I missed too many classes and changed to
> 'audit.'
It was a night class in the 59-60 year as well.
>
> 7. I audited classes in 1961, as my mother's letter indicates.
>
> 8. The Russian night class was created expressly because I couldn't go to
> day classes.
Yeah, right.
>
> 9. Of course, other students had to attend so the class would 'make' -- or
> otherwise, it would have still been private tutoring, a drive to Sarasota,
> which required a car trip, whereas in 1959-60 I lived only two blocks from
> the community college, an easy walk.
>
> 10. It was expensive getting private lessons from Dr. Concevitch, though I
> didn't have to pay for them. It cost my sponsors just as much to have him
> teach at night at the college. The fees also that I should have paid, were
> paid for me.
What did it cost her sponsors for Reigler to teach at night?
William Yates
chronological order:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.assassination.jfk/msg/4a8cebf2d528f950
QUOTE
===ERROR. Dr. Ochsner was never involved in this matter. What has
happened to Mary's memory? At Manatee High School, Col. Philip V. Doyle
and some of his right-wing military friends insisted it was wise i learn
Russian and arranged for me to take a free course in conversational
Russian at (then) Manatee jr. College. I have the textbook and its
provenance is secure, stamped, fulkl of my handwriting and dates of what
to study for ongoing classes. I also have another textr showing ongoing
work i was doing when I went to college. NOBODY EVER INSISTED I BECOME
FLUENT IN THE LANGUAGE. I HAVE NEVER STATED THAT I WAS EVER FLUENT IN THE
LANGUAGE, OR THAT FLUENCY WAS EVER REQUIRED. BUT I KNEW ENOUGH RUSSIAN TO
BE ABLE TO TALK A LITTLE TO LEE WHEN WE WERE IN PUBLIC, AND NOBODY COULD
UNDERSTAND WHAT WE SAID TO EACH OTHER.=====
END QUOTE
From Judyth's book, copied from Barbs original post on this class:
QUOTE [all emphasis mine-bj]
Col. Doyle's conservative military friends, learning of my desire to read
scientific journals from Russia, decided to ORGANIZE A RUSSIAN CLASS AT
THE NEW LOCAL COMMUNITY COLLEGE SO I WOULD BE ABLE 'to report on what
Russians were publishing' in the cancer research field. THEY LOCATED AND
HIRED A RUSSIAN INSTRUCTOR, DR. T. CONCEVITCH, TO TEACH EVENINGS AT
MANATEE JR. COLLEGE -- AND PAID MY FEES. There were some fifteen students
in that FIRST RUSSIAN CLASS. I switched to an audit basis after missing
three classes in a row AFTER winning top honors at The Florida State
Science Fair, becoming ONE OF TWO STATE DELEGATES TO THE INTERNATIONAL
SCIENCE FAIR IN INDIANAPOLIS.
END QUOTE
Judyth's first statement on the subject, posted here by Martin on
4/27/2008:
QUOTE
I think I was enrolled in Dr. T Concevitch's MJC class in Fall of 1960,
and later audited the class, when I could, in 1961. But in 1959,1960, and
1961, I was being sent around to help raise funds for the new technology
building at Manatee High School, and our science projects. Some newspaper
articles exist mentioning my work to raise such funds. Since this had
nothing to do with research, I haven't made those articles public. I was
missing a lot of school, though, and when I was at the Sarasota Air Force
base at a luncheon, in 1959, I was asked by the retired officers there to
learn Russian. They wanted me to read reports on science progress in the
USSR.
Col. Doyle brought up the suject t them because David Tracy and Dave
Deitrich, at Manatee County High School (then so named) were pushing,
along with me, for Russian classes at our high school. Dave Deitrich is
now a lawyer who can be contacted to verify that he helped lobby not only
for the science seminar to be created, but also for Russian to be taught.
The three of us got the science Seminar, but not the high school Russian
classes, as we simply didn't have enough electives time for both. Deitrich
and Tracy went on to enroll in Russian at the University of Florida, which
is on record. I think Dave Tracy minored in Russian.
Back in 1959, I said I'd be happy to study Russian if they would find
me a teacher who could teach the class at night. I believe they located
Dr. Concevitch, who was teaching classes in an extension program, possibly
with New College, and got him to start teaching at Manatee Jr. College.
See the attached statement showing I had personal correspondence with Dr.
Concevitch (envelope) and my mother's statement showing I attended in 1960
and 1961, not just 1960, and that my instruction was privately funded.
They are only looking at my official attendance record for Fall of 1960, I
believe, while Concevitch may have started teaching at the Jr. College
that spring or summer. But it was my talk at the air force base that
created the demand for a Russian class in 1959. I had such a hectic
chedule that I was unable to attend night classes in 1959 and had to wait
until 1960, but I still had many absences and had to end up auditing that
course, too.
END QUOTE
And here is the most recent one:
QUOTE
END QUOTE
James K. Olmstead
"William Yates" <william_...@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:qfCdnQ9CzLJwHLHV...@earthlink.com...
> Here a some other claims Judyth has made about this class, in chronological order:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.assassination.jfk/msg/4a8cebf2d528f950
>
> QUOTE
>
> ===ERROR. Dr. Ochsner was never involved in this matter. What has happened to Mary's memory? At Manatee High School,
> Col. Philip V. Doyle and some of his right-wing military friends insisted it was wise i learn Russian and arranged for
> me to take a free course in conversational Russian at (then) Manatee jr. College. I have the textbook and its
> provenance is secure, stamped, fulkl of my handwriting and dates of what to study for ongoing classes. I also have
> another textr showing ongoing work i was doing when I went to college. NOBODY EVER INSISTED I BECOME FLUENT IN THE
> LANGUAGE. I HAVE NEVER STATED THAT I WAS EVER FLUENT IN THE LANGUAGE, OR THAT FLUENCY WAS EVER REQUIRED. BUT I KNEW
> ENOUGH RUSSIAN TO BE ABLE TO TALK A LITTLE TO LEE WHEN WE WERE IN PUBLIC, AND NOBODY COULD UNDERSTAND WHAT WE SAID TO
> EACH OTHER.=====
>
> END QUOTE
Since she has this ...."textbook".... "fulkl of my handwriting and
dates"..... that book should have been the "sampler" in the Oswald
handwriting comparision claim. Funny that Martin who wrote a supporting
article on the marginal notes did not mention this "sampler" in his
comparison.
jko