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cdddraftsman

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May 9, 2008, 3:45:04 PM5/9/08
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When a crime occurs in the 'real world' , the list suspects , motives etc.
is pared down as evidence works to exculpate the innocent and incriminate
the guilty . When this crime occured and the critical community took over
investigating , the list suspects, motives etc. ALWAYS EXPANDED . Why ?

Was it because more $ could be made on video's , speaking engagements and
books if the list suspects is endless and was based upon unfounded
speculation , flawed reasoning and using the 'opposite of the scientific
method' ?

Just curious how you would answer ?

Tic toc tic toc tic toc ............

tl

cdddraftsman

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May 9, 2008, 10:05:55 PM5/9/08
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To start out the ever expanding list just in case the cat has got your
tongue , here's 214 of them, from Bugliosi pp. 1491-1495. (*)

1) Tony Accardo
2) Dean Acheson
3) Joseph Alsop
4) James Jesus Angleton
5) Bobby Baker
6) Robert "Barney" Baker
7) Guy Banister
8) W.O. Bankston
9) Bernard Barker
10) Charles Batchelor
11) Benjamin Bauman
12) Thomas Beckham
13) Jerry Belknap
14) Paul Bethel
15) Louis B. Bloomfield
16) Hale Boggs
17) Martin Bormann
18) Orlando Bosch
19) George Bouhe
20) Jack Bowen
21) Eugene Hale Brading
22) Edgar Eugene Bradley
23) Leslie Norman Bradley
24) "Brother-in-law"
25) McGeorge Bundy
26) George Bush Sr.
27) George Butler
28) Harold Byrd
29) General Charles Cabell
30) Earle Cabell
31) Claude Barnes Capehart
32) Carlos (last name unknown)
33) Alex Carlson
34) Dan Carswell
35) Cliff Carter
36) Lieutenant Colonel Bevin Cass
37) Luis Castillo
38) Fidel Castro
39) Max Cherry
40) Joe Civello
41) Edward Clark
42) Thomas Clines
43) Joseph R. Cody
44) Roy M. Cohn
45) Lucien Conein
46) John Connally
47) Ramon Cortes
48) Kent Courtney
49) William Craver
50) John Crawford

51) Robert Crowley
52) Kenneth Hudson Croy
53) Jesse Curry
54) William Dalzell
55) I. Irving Davidson
56) Harry Dean
57) Patrick Dean
58) Bill Decker
59) Louise Deckert
60) Eladio del Valle
61) John De Menil
62) George de Mohrenschildt
63) Herminio Diaz
64) Joe DiMaggio
65) Walter Dornberger
66) Robert Easterling
67) Jack Faulkner
68) Fernandez Feito
69) David Ferrie
70) Abe Fortas
71) Will Fritz
72) Maurice Gatlin
73) William Gaudet
74) Sam Giancana
75) G. Wray Gill
76) Manuel Garcia Gonzales
77) T. Gonzales
78) William Greer
79) Peter Gregory
80) Antoine Guerini
81) Billy James Hargis
82) Roy Hargraves
83) William "Blackie" Harrison
84) William Harvey
85) Richard Helms
86) George Patrick Hemming
87) Jim Hicks
88) Jimmy Hoffa
89) Chauncey Holt
90) J. Edgar Hoover
91) Lawrence Howard
92) David Hoy
93) Patrick Hoy
94) Howard Hughes
95) E. Howard Hunt
96) H.L. Hunt
97) Morris Jaffe
98) Walter Jenkins
99) Lyndon Johnson
100) Mr. Jone (fictitious name)

101) Clarence Jones
102) Clifford Jones
103) Sam Kail
104) Roy Kellerman
105) Nikita Khrushchev
106) Jules Ricco Kimble
107) Pat Kirkwood
108) Fred Korth
109) Jake Kosloff
110) Valeriy Kostikov
111) Larry LaBorde
112) Edward Lansdale
113) Meyer Lansky
114) Richard Lauchli
115) Jack Lawrence
116) Yves Leandez
117) James Melvin Liggett
118) Gilberto Policarpo Lopez
118.5) Tomasina Lowryinsky (aka Tom lowry)
119) Grayston Lynch
120) Quinton Pino Machado
121) General John Magruder
122) Robert Maheu
123) George Mandel (aka Giorgio Mantello)
124) Amos Manor
125) Carlos Marcello
126) Layton Martens
127) Jack Martin
128) John Martino
129) Rolando Masferrer
130) John McCloy
131) John McCone
132) Carl McIntire
133) Robert McKeown
134) Mike McLaney
135) Gordon McLendon
136) Jim McMahon
137) L.J. McWillie
138) Major General John B. Medaris
139) L.D. Miller
140) Joseph Milteer
141) William Monteleone
142) David Sanchez Morales
143) Clint Murchison
144) Ferenc Nagy
145) Madame Nhu
146) Richard Nixon
147) Gordon Novel
148) Dr. Alton Ochsner
149) Ken O'Donnell
150) Harry Olsen

151) Aristotle Onassis
152) Marina Oswald
153) Michael Paine
154) Ruth Paine
155) Kim Philby
156) David Atlee Phillips
157) Robert "Tosh" Plumlee
158) Luis Posada
159) James W. Powell
160) Jack Puterbaugh
161) Carlos Quiroga
162) Paul Raigorodsky
163) William Reily
164) Sid Richardson
165) William Robertson
166) Charles Rogers
167) Alexander Rorke
168) Johnny Roselli
169) Eugene Rostow
170) John Rousselot
171) James Rowley
172) Jack Ruby
173) Ruth Ann (last name unknown)
174) Mike Ryan
175) Emilio Santana
176) Felipe Vidal Santiago
177) Saul (last name unknown)
178) Aldo Vera Seraphine
179) Theodore Shackley
180) Clay Shaw
181) Walter Sheridan
182) Charles Sigarusa
183) "Slim"
184) Mr. Smith (fictitious name)
185) Sergio Arcacha Smith
186) Carlos Prio Socarras
187) Jean Rene Souetre
188) Arlen Specter
189) Lew Sterrett
190) Adlai Stevenson
191) Frank Sturgis (Frank Fiorini)
192) William Sullivan
193) Kerry Thornley
194) J.D. Tippit
195) Santo Trafficante
196) "Troit"
197) Tammi True
198) Igor Vagonov
199) Adolf Vermont Jr.
200) Wernher Von Braun

201) Igor Voshinin
202) Henry Wade
203) General Erwin Walker
204) Brock Wall
205) George Wallace
206) Harry Weatherford
207) Ed Weisl
208) Mitch Werbell
209) Lieutenant Colonel George Whitmeyer
210) General Charles Willoughby
211) Edwin Wilson
212) Louie Witt
213) Mr. X (fictitious name)
214) Abraham Zapruder


(*) Provided by my new best friend James !

Oh God ... I hope he sends more !

:-)

tl

thali...@hotmail.com

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May 10, 2008, 2:13:40 PM5/10/08
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Another furphy by the lone nuts. We are dealing with two different
issues. First, did Oswald kill Kennedy alone, or was there a
conspiracy? Second, if there was a conspiracy, who was involved?
Unfortunately, due to the constant mishandling of the evidence,
especially the autopsy (which is significant enough to say there was
corruption involved) and the whiteash of the WC combining with the
protectionist attitude of the mainstream American press, leads us to
forever be wondering who really pulled the trigger.

Imagine a man has been working all day and he come homes to find his
wife is dead, stabbed 27 times. All the evidence leads to the
conclusion that a person entered the house and stabbed the woman,
killing her. The husband was at work (solid alibi.) However, the case
reamins unsolved, even after 40 years. Does that mean the murder
didn't happen, just because no-one was ever prosecuted or even
arrested for the crime? No, of course not. You do not need to prove
who was behind the conspiracy to understand that there was a
conspiracy.

Anthony Marsh

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May 10, 2008, 6:26:48 PM5/10/08
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cdddraftsman wrote:
> On May 9, 12:45 pm, cdddraftsman <cdddrafts...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> When a crime occurs in the 'real world' , the list suspects , motives etc.
>> is pared down as evidence works to exculpate the innocent and incriminate
>> the guilty . When this crime occured and the critical community took over
>> investigating , the list suspects, motives etc. ALWAYS EXPANDED . Why ?
>>
>> Was it because more $ could be made on video's , speaking engagements and
>> books if the list suspects is endless and was based upon unfounded
>> speculation , flawed reasoning and using the 'opposite of the scientific
>> method' ?
>>
>> Just curious how you would answer ?
>>
>> Tic toc tic toc tic toc ............
>>
>> tl
>
> To start out the ever expanding list just in case the cat has got your
> tongue , here's 214 of them, from Bugliosi pp. 1491-1495. (*)
>

Straw man argument.

Jas

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May 10, 2008, 11:05:54 PM5/10/08
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Sure, there's more, I'll get to it soon.

You forgot to put "214.5" names!!!

James

PS-- not surprisingly, thaliacole just doesn't get it...


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cdddraftsman

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May 10, 2008, 11:08:09 PM5/10/08
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> Imagine a man has been working all day and he come homes to find his
> wife is dead, stabbed 27 times. All the evidence leads to the
> conclusion that a person entered the house and stabbed the woman,
> killing her. The husband was at work (solid alibi.) However, the case
> reamins unsolved, even after 40 years. Does that mean the murder
> didn't happen, just because no-one was ever prosecuted or even
> arrested for the crime? No, of course not. You do not need to prove
> who was behind the conspiracy to understand that there was a
> conspiracy.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

We are dealing with one issue here . Oswald killed Kennedy all by his
lonesome , every minute that ticks away there is less and less reason to
believe let alone think there was there a conspiracy . Since there was no
conspiracy, who else was involved has become comic relief as suggested by
my list ? Unfortunately, due to the constant mishandling of the evidence
by Conspiracy Apologists especially the autopsy (which is significant
enough to say there was corruption involved by all CAer's ) and the
whiteash of the WC conclusions , combining with the protectionist attitude
of the critical community , leads us to forever be wondering who is really
pulling out leg .

tl

cdddraftsman

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May 10, 2008, 11:08:21 PM5/10/08
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Pretty long list of stawmen ? Looks like a whole field of straw
created by the critical community !
Any chance you might take the lead and get out your lawn mower and do
a little trimming thar sailor ?

Just curious .

tl


cdddraftsman

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May 11, 2008, 6:51:48 PM5/11/08
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On May 10, 8:05 pm, "Jas" <jste...@cox.net> wrote:
> Sure, there's more, I'll get to it soon.
>
> You forgot to put "214.5" names!!!
>
> James
>
> PS-- not surprisingly, thaliacole just doesn't get it...
>
> "cdddraftsman" <cdddrafts...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

Thanks , I personally prefer 118.5 myself !

:-)

tl

Anthony Marsh

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May 11, 2008, 6:54:15 PM5/11/08
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Huh? Is this directed at me? Ironic when I am denounced for being the
leading debunker of all those wacky theories.

> Just curious .
>
> tl
>
>

Anthony Marsh

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May 11, 2008, 6:54:50 PM5/11/08
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No, your list is a straw man argument designed to convince people NOT to
look into the JFK assassination.

cdddraftsman

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May 12, 2008, 12:28:31 AM5/12/08
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On May 11, 3:54 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> No, your list is a straw man argument designed to convince people NOT to
> look into the JFK assassination.
>
>

Too many myopic visionary's already involved . If you'd like that list to
extend to the Moon in honor of JFK that would be a good idea , other than
that it's a no no , I don't like that idea at all !

tl


cdddraftsman

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May 12, 2008, 12:29:19 AM5/12/08
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On May 11, 3:54 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> Huh? Is this directed at me? Ironic when I am denounced for being the
> leading debunker of all those wacky theories.
>
>

What I'm trying to get at and that's a interesting point you brought up ,
why don't you make your cause even more attractive by getting the leading
advocates of Conspiracy Theory together and come up with a unified theory
?

Seeing that fragmentation is the leading cause of losing causes in history
:

Now we know JFK wasn't shot at by more than fourteen people , it seems the
CT mid-drift could easily loose a hundred pounds of girth and still be in
fine shape don't you agree ?

tl

Anthony Marsh

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May 12, 2008, 7:41:02 PM5/12/08
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cdddraftsman wrote:
> On May 11, 3:54 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Huh? Is this directed at me? Ironic when I am denounced for being the
>> leading debunker of all those wacky theories.
>>
>>
>
> What I'm trying to get at and that's a interesting point you brought up ,
> why don't you make your cause even more attractive by getting the leading
> advocates of Conspiracy Theory together and come up with a unified theory
> ?
>

No thanks. You are in no position to tell us what to do.

> Seeing that fragmentation is the leading cause of losing causes in history
> :
>

It's the old divide and conquer tactic.

> Now we know JFK wasn't shot at by more than fourteen people , it seems the
> CT mid-drift could easily loose a hundred pounds of girth and still be in
> fine shape don't you agree ?
>

Straw man argument.

> tl
>

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