MSNBC 9 PM - Witness to Jonestown
Anthony Marsh
researchers, this show has a couple of things directly of interest to
anyone studying the JFK assassination. There is an interview with Mark
Lane who was vilified by the WC defenders for his involvement in
Jonestown. And for those WC defenders who continue to falsely claim that
rifles never emit smoke, take a look at the footage shot at the airport.
The rifles are real, the bullets are real and you can clearly see smoke
coming out of the rifle and lingering for a few seconds. There is a
preview clip at the MSNBC web site and the smoke is at 2:09.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27052411/
Click on the Web-exclusive preview link.
thali...@hotmail.com
Well done Anthony. I wonder what hare brained scheme the WC defenders
will come up with to explain the rifle smoke.
Anthony Marsh
Thanks.
I have two predictions.
1. No WC defender will dare to admit that I am correct.
3. One wacko, not saying who, will claim that it is a fake,
probably created by Oliver Stone using blanks.
cdddraftsman
>
> - Show quoted text -
Shows how little you know about the effects of the atmosphere upon guns
and the smoke they emit .
Being near the equator the air will capture and retain and show a great
deal more smoke than would normally be seen in northern latitudes .
tl
PS : Don't pat yourselves on the backs too hard , you both might fall over
.
cdddraftsman
> "And for those WC defenders who continue to falsely claim that
> rifles never emit smoke"
The falsity comes from the CTer side that continues to foist the claim
that the grassy knoll shooter's gun emitted a "Puff of Smoke" comjuring up
images of some 17th century 'Blunderbuss' cannon from a Spanish fort . I'm
sure if you apologise to to mag3... for your snide remarks , he'll get you
your "Puff of Smoke" ....
I think he has just ancient rifle to do the trick .
tl
thali...@hotmail.com
Wow, that one is really scraping the bottom of barrell.... but nice
try. At least you have admitted that modern rifles do admit smoke,
though of course it is invisible in northern latitudes... Texas is not
really that North though??? In fact it borders Mexico doesn't it?
Mexico is on the equator..... mmm I think a more likely hare brained
scheme needs to be imagined.
cdddraftsman
>
> Wow, that one is really scraping the bottom of barrell.... but nice
> try. At least you have admitted that modern rifles do admit smoke,
> though of course it is invisible in northern latitudes... Texas is not
> really that North though??? In fact it borders Mexico doesn't it?
> Mexico is on the equator..... mmm I think a more likely hare brained
> scheme needs to be imagined.
Pssst !
Try to stay focused , were talking about Dallas , some 30 + degrees
above the equator .
^ The point is that the chemicals that were present in gunpowder many ,
many years ago , that would at one time help you by putting fear into your
enemy have been largely replaced by smokeless powder .
^ 'Display' during wartime (whether that be many "Puffs of Smoke" , "the
glint of bayonets" , "brightly colored uniforms" , etc. , with the advent
of accurate long range firearms and artillery would , in most cases be the
reason you'd be dead and your side defeated , if you engaged with
antiquated propellents .
^ As I understand modern warfare , any "Display" such as smoke is kept to
a min. so as not to have someone zero in on your horns .
^ Be aware of not only atmospheric's , but the angle on which the film is
shot when you see this smoke . I've seen the same gunfire from two angles
on film and one clearly shows smoke and the other doesn't .
^ If there is smoke emitted by modern firearms it is of a much shorter
duration than what your suggesting and much to the annoyance of Oliver
Stone , is what he also found out to be the case (Below) :
Start ..............
The Kennedy Assassination
By John McAdams
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Oliver Stone's Movie "JFK"
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jfkmovie.htm
The Assassination Goes Hollywood !
^ Scene
Stone shows cloud of smoke from gun of Grassy Knoll shooter
^ Accuracy
Stone could find no gun that emitted that much smoke, had special
effects man blow smoke from bellows :
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/smoke.rm [1]
^ Stone's Agenda
Push idea of Grassy Knoll shooter
As Robins and Post observe:
"The paranoid message will give more and more, and then it will give
even more. The entertainment resources of the paranoid message are
unrivaled. It offers puzzles, drama, passion, heroes, villains, and
struggle. If the story-line can be tied to an historical event,
especially one that involves romantic characters and unexpected death,
then fiction, history, and popular delusion can be joined in the
pursuit of profit. The story, moreover, need never end. If evidence
appears that refutes the conspiracy, the suppliers of the discrediting
material will themselves be accused of being part of the conspiracy.
The paranoid explanatory system is a closed one. Only confirmatory
evidence is accepted. Contradictions are dismissed as being naive or,
more likely, part of the conspiracy itself.
[1] Grassy Knoll Shooter : Blowing Smoke :
Conspiracy authors seldom fail to discuss several witnesses who saw
"smoke," or "steam," or "motorcycle exhaust" on the Grassy Knoll. Of
course, they forget the "steam" and "motorcycle exhaust" and present
all the witnesses as having seen smoke from a rifle. But just how much
smoke do modern rifles produce? One clue comes from the movie JFK.
Director Oliver Stone could not find a rifle that would emit the
necessary cloud of smoke when fired, and so he resorted to having a
special-effects man blow smoke from a bellows. Many consider this an
appropriate metaphor for the entire movie.
end .......
tl
thali...@hotmail.com
As much as you try your subterfuge games to attempt to confuse the
issue, the fact remains that smoke was both seen and photographed at
the moment of the headshot in the vicinity of the grassy knoll and it
is a FALLACY that all rifles do not emit smoke when fired. Deal with
it.
yeuhd
> As much as you try your subterfuge games to attempt to confuse the
> issue, the fact remains that smoke was both seen and photographed at
> the moment of the headshot in the vicinity of the grassy knoll
Really? Show us that photo.
All three witnesses who were on the grassy knoll who gave an opinion as to
the direction of the shots said the shots came from the direction of the
Depository.
Where would this grassy knoll gunman be standing where he would be unseen
(and unheard) by Abraham Zapruder and Marilyn Sitzman, standing on a
four-foot (1.2 m) high pedestal only nine yards (8.2 m) east of the
five-foot (1.5 m) high stockade fence, and unseen by Lee Bowers, looking
straight down at the back of the fence from a two-story tower, and unseen
by the Dallas police officer who was stationed in the parking lot?
yeuhd
> Texas is not
> really that North though??? In fact it borders Mexico doesn't it?
> Mexico is on the equator.
Really? Check a map.
Anthony Marsh
See, didn't I predict that reaction. BTW, some of us think it was
cigarette smoke on the grassy knoll. Now let's see the wackos claim that
cigarette smoke can not be seen from 150 feet away.
marki...@yahoo.com
> smoke was both seen and photographed at
> the moment of the headshot in the vicinity of the grassy knoll and it
> is a FALLACY that all rifles do not emit smoke when fired.
Plus numerous witnesses reporting the smell of gunpowder, which is frankly
a quite unique and recognizable smell to those familiar with it.
~Mark
John McAdams
But some witnesses "smelled gunpowder" when they could not possibly
have smelled powder from a shooting in the Plaza.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/smell.htm
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Anthony Marsh
As I predicted, you can't even admit the simple fact that I illustrated
that modern rifles DO emit smoke.
> The Kennedy Assassination
> By John McAdams
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
>
> Oliver Stone's Movie "JFK"
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jfkmovie.htm
>
> The Assassination Goes Hollywood !
>
> ^ Scene
> Stone shows cloud of smoke from gun of Grassy Knoll shooter
> ^ Accuracy
> Stone could find no gun that emitted that much smoke, had special
> effects man blow smoke from bellows :
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/smoke.rm [1]
> ^ Stone's Agenda
> Push idea of Grassy Knoll shooter
>
Well, maybe you did not know the inside story about the filming of the
movie. Oliver Stone was not allowed to use live ammunition for the shots
in Dealey Plaza. Insurance companies tend to frown on actors using live
ammunition to kill fellow actors. I know, it's old-fashioned, but I'm
sure they have their reasons. That means that everything has to be done
by special effects. In another movie the director was not even allowed
to use blanks in a protected forest.
> As Robins and Post observe:
>
> "The paranoid message will give more and more, and then it will give
> even more. The entertainment resources of the paranoid message are
> unrivaled. It offers puzzles, drama, passion, heroes, villains, and
> struggle. If the story-line can be tied to an historical event,
> especially one that involves romantic characters and unexpected death,
> then fiction, history, and popular delusion can be joined in the
> pursuit of profit. The story, moreover, need never end. If evidence
> appears that refutes the conspiracy, the suppliers of the discrediting
> material will themselves be accused of being part of the conspiracy.
> The paranoid explanatory system is a closed one. Only confirmatory
> evidence is accepted. Contradictions are dismissed as being naive or,
> more likely, part of the conspiracy itself.
>
>
> [1] Grassy Knoll Shooter : Blowing Smoke :
> Conspiracy authors seldom fail to discuss several witnesses who saw
> "smoke," or "steam," or "motorcycle exhaust" on the Grassy Knoll. Of
> course, they forget the "steam" and "motorcycle exhaust" and present
The steam and motorcycle exhaust nonsense comes from uninformed WC
defenders.
> all the witnesses as having seen smoke from a rifle. But just how much
> smoke do modern rifles produce? One clue comes from the movie JFK.
> Director Oliver Stone could not find a rifle that would emit the
> necessary cloud of smoke when fired, and so he resorted to having a
> special-effects man blow smoke from a bellows. Many consider this an
> appropriate metaphor for the entire movie.
>
More nonsense from someone with no experience with rifles.
Even the Mannlicher-Carcano test shots show some smoke.
> end .......
>
> tl
>
Anthony Marsh
> On Nov 9, 8:13 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> "And for those WC defenders who continue to falsely claim that
>> rifles never emit smoke"
>
> The falsity comes from the CTer side that continues to foist the claim
> that the grassy knoll shooter's gun emitted a "Puff of Smoke" comjuring up
> images of some 17th century 'Blunderbuss' cannon from a Spanish fort . I'm
> sure if you apologise to to mag3... for your snide remarks , he'll get you
> your "Puff of Smoke" ....
>
No one invoked images of a blunderbuss. That is propaganda from people
who know nothing about modern rifles. Just admit that the example I
posted shows a rifle emitting smoke.
Anthony Marsh
More nonsense from someone who knows nothing about rifles.
Anthony Marsh
> On 13 Nov 2008 23:44:47 -0500, marki...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> On Nov 13, 9:41 am, thaliac...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> smoke was both seen and photographed at
>>> the moment of the headshot in the vicinity of the grassy knoll and it
>>> is a FALLACY that all rifles do not emit smoke when fired.
>> Plus numerous witnesses reporting the smell of gunpowder, which is frankly
>> a quite unique and recognizable smell to those familiar with it.
>>
>>
>
> But some witnesses "smelled gunpowder" when they could not possibly
> have smelled powder from a shooting in the Plaza.
>
I am not sure what you think that means. People on firing ranges smell
gunpowder. Where and how strong depends on various factors. Would you like
a live demonstration?
So, why don't you propose a different theory? Make one up. Claim that what
they smelled was the trains from the triple underpass. Or motorcycle
exhaust. Or maybe LBJ farted. You know, down in Texas they used to say
that they could smell his farts from a mile away! Yeah, that's it.
Anthony Marsh
Regardless, the concept is specious.
Anthony Marsh
> On Nov 13, 10:41 am, thaliac...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> As much as you try your subterfuge games to attempt to confuse the
>> issue, the fact remains that smoke was both seen and photographed at
>> the moment of the headshot in the vicinity of the grassy knoll
>
> Really? Show us that photo.
>
The photo most people cite just shows light colored leaves.
> All three witnesses who were on the grassy knoll who gave an opinion as to
> the direction of the shots said the shots came from the direction of the
> Depository.
>
All three? Only three? Which three?
Some of the witnesses on the grassy knoll said the shots came from
behind them.
> Where would this grassy knoll gunman be standing where he would be unseen
> (and unheard) by Abraham Zapruder and Marilyn Sitzman, standing on a
> four-foot (1.2 m) high pedestal only nine yards (8.2 m) east of the
> five-foot (1.5 m) high stockade fence, and unseen by Lee Bowers, looking
> straight down at the back of the fence from a two-story tower, and unseen
> by the Dallas police officer who was stationed in the parking lot?
>
He was seen and photographed. But like the Black Dog Man, not remembered
by either Zapruder or Sitzman. Not my theory, but there are some locations
behind the fence where someone could be hidden behind a tree. There was no
Dallas police officer stationed in the parking lot. If you see one there
then he is the killer and you've solved the case. Was his name Roscoe
White?
yeuhd
> yeuhd wrote:
> > On Nov 13, 10:41 am, thaliac...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> As much as you try your subterfuge games to attempt to confuse the
> >> issue, the fact remains that smoke was both seen and photographed at
> >> the moment of the headshot in the vicinity of the grassy knoll
>
> > Really? Show us that photo.
>
> The photo most people cite just shows light colored leaves.
>
> > All three witnesses who were on the grassy knoll who gave an opinion as to
> > the direction of the shots said the shots came from the direction of the
> > Depository.
>
> All three? Only three? Which three?
Marilyn Sitzman, Emmett Hudson, and Charles Hester.
> Some of the witnesses on the grassy knoll said the shots came from
> behind them.
No. Not even Abraham Zapruder. He initially thought that the shots
came from behind him only because of the side of President Kennedy's
head that exploded, and the fact that cops ran up the knoll, not
because he himself heard the shots coming from that direction:
Mr. LIEBELER. As you were standing on this abutment facing Elm street,
you say the police ran over behind the concrete structure behind you
and down the railroad track behind that, is that right?
Mr. ZAPRUDER. After the shots?
Mr. LIEBELER. Yes.
Mr. ZAPRUDER. Yes — after the shots — yes, some of them were
motorcycle cops — I guess they left their motorcycles running and they
were running right behind me, of course, in the line of the shooting.
I guess they thought it came from right behind me.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did you have any impression as to the direction from
which these shots came?
Mr. ZAPRUDER. No, I also thought it came from back of me. Of course,
you can't tell when something is in line it could come from anywhere,
but being I was here and he was hit on this line and he was hit right
in the head — I saw it right around here, so it looked like it came
from here and it could come from there.
Mr. LIEBELER. All right, as you stood here on the abutment and looked
down into Elm Street, you saw the President hit on the right side of
the head and you thought perhaps the shots had come from behind you?
Mr. ZAPRUDER. Well, yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. From the direction behind you?
Mr. ZAPRUDER. Yes, actually — I couldn't say what I thought at the
moment, where they came from — after the impact of the tragedy was
really what I saw and I started and I said — yelling, "They've killed
him" — I assumed that they came from there, because as the police
started running back of me, it looked like it came from the back of
me.
Mr. LIEBELER. But you didn't form any opinion at that time as to what
direction the shots did come from actually?
Mr. ZAPRUDER. No.
Mr. LIEBELER. And you indicated that they could have come also from
behind or from any other direction except perhaps from the left,
because they could have been from behind or even from the front.
Mr. ZAPRUDER. Well, it could have been — in other words if you have a
point — you could hit a point from any place, as far as that's
concerned. I have no way of determining what direction the bullet was
going.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did you form any opinion about the direction from which
the shots came by the sound, or were you just upset by the thing you
had seen?
Mr. ZAPRUDER. No, there was too much reverberation. There was an echo
which gave me a sound all over. In other words that square is kind of
— it had a sound all over.
> There was no
> Dallas police officer stationed in the parking lot.
Report of Deputy Sheriff W. W. Mabra, Nov. 27, 1963:
I, and officer Orville Smith were standing on the curb in front of
Criminal Courts Bldg., appx. 40 ft. East of Houston St., when the car
bearing Pres. Kennedy passed. Appx 1 min. after the car turned right onto
Houston St. we heard 3 shots. Officer Smith said to me "That sounded like
a Deer Rifle." We saw people running toward the parkway and ran in that
direction. Officers and People were running to the parkway on north side
of Elm. I went to the rail yards and parking area west of the book store
[i.e., Depository] and helped search this area.
I talked to a city officer who said "I was stationed in [the] rail
yards and had this entire area in view. Nobody came this way."
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/html/WH_Vol19_0280a.htm
In an interview with Larry Sneed ("No More Silence: An Oral History of
the Assassination of President Kennedy", p. 519), Mabra said the
officer added, "There hasn't been a thing move back here in a hour or
more because I've been here all that time."
John McAdams
>On Nov 14, 11:09 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> yeuhd wrote:
>> > On Nov 13, 10:41 am, thaliac...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> >> As much as you try your subterfuge games to attempt to confuse the
>> >> issue, the fact remains that smoke was both seen and photographed at
>> >> the moment of the headshot in the vicinity of the grassy knoll
>>
>> > Really? Show us that photo.
>>
>> The photo most people cite just shows light colored leaves.
>>
>> > All three witnesses who were on the grassy knoll who gave an opinion as to
>> > the direction of the shots said the shots came from the direction of the
>> > Depository.
>>
>> All three? Only three? Which three?
>
>Marilyn Sitzman, Emmett Hudson, and Charles Hester.
>
Quite right.
The only thing that bothers me is that we know the officers stationed
on the overpass and the reairoad bridge across the Stemmons, and none
of them (that I know of) give testimony that flatly rules out a Grassy
Knoll shooter.
I think Bowers pretty much rules out a Knoll shooter, actually.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
yeuhd
> The only thing that bothers me is that we know the officers stationed
> on the overpass and the reairoad bridge across the Stemmons, and none
> of them (that I know of) give testimony that flatly rules out a Grassy
> Knoll shooter.
The officers who were stationed on the triple overpass:
J. W. Foster: Said the shots came from Houston & Elm, the direction of
the Depository.
J. C. White: Didn't hear the shots.
One of three officers who were stationed further west on the Stemmons
Freeway overpass (the names of the other two are unknown):
Joe E. Murphy: Said the shots came "from an easterly direction" and
"from the direction I was looking". Both the knoll and the Depository
were in a line east of where he stood over Elm Street:
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh24/html/WH_Vol24_0281a.htm
Anthony Marsh
> On 15 Nov 2008 01:07:10 -0500, yeuhd <Needle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 14, 11:09 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> yeuhd wrote:
>>>> On Nov 13, 10:41 am, thaliac...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>> As much as you try your subterfuge games to attempt to confuse the
>>>>> issue, the fact remains that smoke was both seen and photographed at
>>>>> the moment of the headshot in the vicinity of the grassy knoll
>>>> Really? Show us that photo.
>>> The photo most people cite just shows light colored leaves.
>>>
>>>> All three witnesses who were on the grassy knoll who gave an opinion as to
>>>> the direction of the shots said the shots came from the direction of the
>>>> Depository.
>>> All three? Only three? Which three?
>> Marilyn Sitzman, Emmett Hudson, and Charles Hester.
>>
>
> Quite right.
>
Selection bias. There were more than three witnesses on the grassy knoll.
And why do you intentionally choose Marilyn Sitzman and leave out Abraham
Zapruder?
I think the photographic evidence pretty much rules out Bowers as a
reliable witness. But then again maybe even you can not see the man's head
above the fence. If you can't, then maybe Bowers couldn't either.
> .John
> --------------
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Anthony Marsh
> On Nov 14, 11:09 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> yeuhd wrote:
>>> On Nov 13, 10:41 am, thaliac...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> As much as you try your subterfuge games to attempt to confuse the
>>>> issue, the fact remains that smoke was both seen and photographed at
>>>> the moment of the headshot in the vicinity of the grassy knoll
>>> Really? Show us that photo.
>> The photo most people cite just shows light colored leaves.
>>
>>> All three witnesses who were on the grassy knoll who gave an opinion as to
>>> the direction of the shots said the shots came from the direction of the
>>> Depository.
>> All three? Only three? Which three?
>
> Marilyn Sitzman, Emmett Hudson, and Charles Hester.
>
Wait a minute here. I thought I just read exactly the same message from
John McAdams. Are you confirming that you are the alias of John McAdams.
My answer is the same. Selection bias. You are handpicking only the
witnesses you like.
>> Some of the witnesses on the grassy knoll said the shots came from >>
behind them. > > No. Not even Abraham Zapruder. He initially thought that
the shots > came from behind him only because of the side of President
Kennedy's > head that exploded, and the fact that cops ran up the knoll,
not > because he himself heard the shots coming from that direction: > The
original construction of the argument said nothing about HEARING the
shots. It was only about their opinion of where the shots came from. You
are entitled to claim that Zapruder's opinion was wrong. That is fine. But
you are not entitled to misrepresent his opinion. He said the position of
the assassin was behind him.
Now, arguendo, if you really are not just a McAdams alias you need to
learn some tricks from him. McAdams looks at that statement from Zapruder
and claims that the TSBD is behind him. He looks at the Moorman photo and
can see the TSBD behind Zapruder.
Rail yards. Yeah, so what?
That is not the parking lot. Stop making up crap.
> http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/html/WH_Vol19_0280a.htm
>
> In an interview with Larry Sneed ("No More Silence: An Oral History of
> the Assassination of President Kennedy", p. 519), Mabra said the
> officer added, "There hasn't been a thing move back here in a hour or
> more because I've been here all that time."
>
That's wonderful. No trains moving for an hour. But Bowers saw two cars
and two men moving around in the parking lot.
marki...@yahoo.com
> But some witnesses "smelled gunpowder" when they could not possibly
> have smelled powder from a shooting in the Plaza.
>
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/smell.htm
By the example on your website of Earle Brown, I agree that his location
likely would not have allowed him to smell gunpowder emanating from DP
regardless of wind direction. The still image of Moorman & Hill's coats
blowing indicate that at that point along Elm, the wind was coming from
the southwest. Nix & Zapruder films of the limo's flags also show this. In
the first few frames of the Muchmore film, we see two flags on the
Criminal Courts building, at the corner of Main & Houston. The flag on the
right appears to be wafting from a breeze coming directly downward, and
slightly from the east.
When JFK's limo is traveling along Houston, the limo flags appear to be
blown directly away from the Records building, indicating wind from the
east. Of course there's the huge Records building there, so the wind is
being deflected. If the wind along Elm Street was from the southwest, it
seems likely that, in a broad view, the wind was deflected first by the
TSBD, and then deflected away from the two buildings along Houston, and
perhaps slightly downward at the point of intersection of Main & Houston.
Essentially, it can be interpreted that the wind was traveling mostly in
the opposite direction of the motorcade traffic flow, and being wrapped
around the corner.
This may allow the smell of gunpowder in DP to be detected and recognized,
frankly from most points of purported origin. Respectfully,
~Mark
yeuhd
> >>> All three witnesses who were on the grassy knoll who gave an opinion as to
> >>> the direction of the shots said the shots came from the direction of the
> >>> Depository.
> >> All three? Only three? Which three?
>
> > Marilyn Sitzman, Emmett Hudson, and Charles Hester.
>
> Wait a minute here. I thought I just read exactly the same message from
> John McAdams.
Well, you thought wrong. How hard is it to check who said what?
> My answer is the same. Selection bias. You are handpicking only the
> witnesses you like.
No, those are ALL the grassy knoll witnesses who are on record about
the direction of the shots.
yeuhd
> >> There was no
> >> Dallas police officer stationed in the parking lot.
>
> > Report of Deputy Sheriff W. W. Mabra, Nov. 27, 1963:
>
> > I, and officer Orville Smith were standing on the curb in front of
> > Criminal Courts Bldg., appx. 40 ft. East of Houston St., when the car
> > bearing Pres. Kennedy passed. Appx 1 min. after the car turned right onto
> > Houston St. we heard 3 shots. Officer Smith said to me "That sounded like
> > a Deer Rifle." We saw people running toward the parkway and ran in that
> > direction. Officers and People were running to the parkway on north side
> > of Elm. I went to the rail yards and parking area west of the book store
> > [i.e., Depository] and helped search this area.
>
> > I talked to a city officer who said "I was stationed in [the] rail
> > yards and had this entire area in view. Nobody came this way."
>
> Rail yards. Yeah, so what?
> That is not the parking lot.
The parking lot is in fact defined on the north and the west by the
railroad tracks, and contains the rail yard switchback tower, seen as
the red-roofed building in the Google aerial view below:
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh24/html/WH_Vol24_0281a.htm
Anthony Marsh
Again, look at the hard evidence. There was no police officer assigned
to the parking lot. There were officers assigned to the railyards and
the triple overpass, close to the parking lot. Not the same thing as
being an officer assigned to the parking lot.
Anthony Marsh
> On Nov 15, 11:12 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> All three witnesses who were on the grassy knoll who gave an opinion as to
>>>>> the direction of the shots said the shots came from the direction of the
>>>>> Depository.
>>>> All three? Only three? Which three?
>>> Marilyn Sitzman, Emmett Hudson, and Charles Hester.
>> Wait a minute here. I thought I just read exactly the same message from
>> John McAdams.
>
> Well, you thought wrong. How hard is it to check who said what?
>
No, I was right. The wording was exactly the same.
>> My answer is the same. Selection bias. You are handpicking only the
>> witnesses you like.
>
> No, those are ALL the grassy knoll witnesses who are on record about
> the direction of the shots.
>
Wrong. Zapruder is on record. Billy Newman is on record. Mary Woodward
is on record.