Oswald's Guru, Lamont, Assails JFK As Tyrant In Fine, Basic
timstter
Among the many anti-Kennedy paragraphs to be found in THE CRIME AGAINST
CUBA, the Corliss Lamont authored pamphlet that Oswald handed out on the
streets of Dallas and New Orleans, concerns JFK's handling of the press
after the Bay Of Pigs invasion.
On pages 28 and 29, Lamont discusses JFK's *undemocratic techniques* in
asking the press to consider if what they are printing is not just news
but if it is in the interest of national security in printing it. Lamont
doesn't like this idea at all:
QUOTE ON:
To buttress his position, the President referred approvingly to the fact
that in these *times of clear and present danger the courts have held that
even the privileged rights of the First Amendment must yield to the
public's need for national security.*
In this manner President Kennedy expressed himself as favoring the current
tendency in Supreme Court decisions to weaken civil liberties by making
sweeping exceptions to freedom of speech as guaranteed in the Bill of
Rights. I MUST ADD THAT THE GOAL OF EVERY TYRANT DOWN THE AGES HAS BEEN
PRECISELY TO PRESSURE AND FRIGHTEN THE INDIVIDUAL INTO SELF-CENSORSHIP, SO
THAT HE WILL NOT DARE TO SPEAK UP AND PROTEST PUBLICLY ON CONTROVERSIAL
ISSUES. WHEN THIS HAPPENS A SPIRIT OF CONFORMITY AND FEAR ENGULFS THE
NATION, AS IN THE UNITED STATES AT THE HEIGHT OF McCARTHYISM. (Emphasis
added).
QUOTE OFF
Presumably Oswald shared these views about Kennedy, promoting Lamont's
work on the radio as well as handing it out on street corners.
Regards,
Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
Anthony Marsh
Before the Bay of Pigs invasion Kennedy personally stopped the
newspapers from publishing any facts about the impending invasion.
Clark
This comes back to whether or not Lee "parroted" Lamont's views to the
exclusion of all others and, of course, that pig won't fly. I'm under
the impression that you think reading Lamont's pamphlet caused Lee to
shoot JFK. By that logic, Lamont's pamphlet caused Lee to shoot at
Walker since he had a Lamont pamphlet while in Dallas.
The LN mind must conclude Lee selected his targets out of proximity/
opportunity versus politics or pamphlets.
Just a thought.
::Clark::
timstter
I'm not aware that anyone has claimed that he parroted Lamont's ideas
to the exclusion of all others. For instance the FPCC's *The Truth
About Cuba IS IN CUBA!* pamphlet mentions Somoza. Where do you get the
idea that anyone claimed he exclusively quoted Lamont?
> the impression that you think reading Lamont's pamphlet caused Lee to
> shoot JFK. By that logic, Lamont's pamphlet caused Lee to shoot at
Hmm, well I'm simply choosing to demonstrate that he was quite happy
to hand out and quote from material written by Lamont that was sharply
critical of Kennedy and his administration. Some of Lamont's comments
are quite vicious. Oswald doesn't seem to have a problem with this. It
puts the lie to the CT fantasy idea that Oswald just LOVED Kennedy,
LOL! He quite obviously hated Kennedy's stance on Cuba.
> Walker since he had a Lamont pamphlet while in Dallas.
>
Well, I'm sure ol' Walker's motto wasn't HANDS OFF CUBA!, LOL! He gave
out very different pamphlets himself.
> The LN mind must conclude Lee selected his targets out of proximity/
> opportunity versus politics or pamphlets.
>
Politics first. Opportunity second. Sometimes politics and opportunity
collide, like on November 22, 1963.
> Just a thought.
>
More leaping to another flawed conclusion, I would have thought.
> ::Clark::
Peter Fokes
>Well, I'm sure ol' Walker's motto wasn't HANDS OFF CUBA!, LOL! He gave
>out very different pamphlets himself.
Walker handed out pamphlets?
That must have infuriated Oswald!
Not that same street corner I hope!
Tim, you are doing a yeoman's job on the specialized area of pamphlet
distribution and the generalized significance of such behaviour
towards making conclusions pertaining to the belief set of
distributers.
I have handed out political literature in my day and must admit not
agreeing with all the assertions therein. But it was an acceptable
alterantive to the ideas in the distributer's hand outs across the
way!
In Minsk, Oswald got a thrill out of being some kind of celebrity 'cuz
he was Americano! Perhaps he got the same kind of thrill in New
Orleans 'cuz he was in the spotlight as a distributer. Didn't matter
so much what his American-ness stood for, nor the content of the hand
out. It did matter that it made HIM feel important.
Remember he was dad-less. He had to seek confirmation of his value as
human being from somewhere, but first he had to get their attention,
eh?
Anyways, here is another pamphlet:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lenin-slppamphlet-1920.jpg
The original probably out of stock by the time Oswald got busy!
Regards,
Peter Fokes,
Toronto
Peter Fokes
wrote:
Speaking of pamphlets, I see Edward Jay Epstein has popped up from
nowhere to write another piece on Oswald:
<quote on>
Ever since he was handed a pamphlet about the Rosenberg prosecution at
the age of 15, he was a joiner, seeking affiliations with groups at
home and abroad. When he was only 16, he wrote the Socialist Party, "I
am a Marxist and have been studying Socialist Principles for well over
five years," and he requested information about joining their "Youth
League." He subsequently made membership inquiries to such
organizations as the Socialist Workers Party, the Socialist Labor
Party, The Gus Hall-Benjamin Davis Defense Committee, The Fair Play
for Cuba Committee and the Communist Party, USA-- correspondence that
brought him under surveillance by the FBI.
<quote off>
See full article here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ed-epstein/annals-of-unsolved-crime_b_366400.html
PF
Anthony Marsh
> On 21 Nov 2009 11:12:26 -0500, timstter<tims...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, I'm sure ol' Walker's motto wasn't HANDS OFF CUBA!, LOL! He gave
>> out very different pamphlets himself.
>
> Walker handed out pamphlets?
>
> That must have infuriated Oswald!
>
> Not that same street corner I hope!
>
> Tim, you are doing a yeoman's job on the specialized area of pamphlet
> distribution and the generalized significance of such behaviour
> towards making conclusions pertaining to the belief set of
> distributers.
>
> I have handed out political literature in my day and must admit not
> agreeing with all the assertions therein. But it was an acceptable
> alterantive to the ideas in the distributer's hand outs across the
> way!
>
> In Minsk, Oswald got a thrill out of being some kind of celebrity 'cuz
> he was Americano! Perhaps he got the same kind of thrill in New
> Orleans 'cuz he was in the spotlight as a distributer. Didn't matter
> so much what his American-ness stood for, nor the content of the hand
> out. It did matter that it made HIM feel important.
>
When he came home from Russia he expected to be flocked by reporters
asking him what he thought about Russia and why he came back. He was
crestfallen when absolutely NO reporter was there. Even reporters were
there to meet Nixon when he got off the plane in New York on the day of
the assassination.
timstter
Hi Peter,
So, picking through the paragraphs here I find the sum total is that
you don't think Oswald had much awareness of what was in the pamphlets
he was handing out, like the Lamont one.
That dog don't hunt, pal. :-) Ol' Ozzie was very au fait with what
Lamont had written and intelligently parroted it for WDSU.
It didn't seem to bother Oswald distributing and propagating material
so highly critical of JFK.
Charles Hall Steele Jnr, on the other hand, he had no idea what he was
handing out re Cuba, LOL!
Bud
Simply put, Oswald is known to have given out pamphlets critical of the
person he is known to have shot. That is a flying pig.
> I'm under
> the impression that you think reading Lamont's pamphlet caused Lee to
> shoot JFK.
Clark, you are just awful when it comes to understanding another persons
arguments or points. The ideas Oswald endorses gives insight into his own
opinions and thinking. He champions Lamont because Lamont`s thinking is
similar to his own, not because Lamont caused Oswald to think as he does.
> By that logic, Lamont's pamphlet caused Lee to shoot at
> Walker since he had a Lamont pamphlet while in Dallas.
Oswald shot at Walker because he thought of himself as a hunter of
fascists.
> The LN mind must conclude Lee selected his targets out of proximity/
> opportunity versus politics or pamphlets.
He`d probably take a shot at any right winger of high ranking or
large following, or any powerful person who`s actions he considered
harmful to Cuba that he could get in rifle range of.
> Just a thought.
>
> ::Clark::
tomnln
WHY would a Marxist try to join the U S Marines at age 16?
WHY would a Marxist join the Marines as soon as he turned 17?
WHY would a Marxist be wearing his U S Marine Corps ring the day he was
arrested"
WHY would a Marxist associate with several "Anti-Castro" Cuban
organizations at 3126 Harlendale in Dallas?
"Peter Fokes" <pfo...@rogers.com> wrote in message
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yeuhd
> WHY would a Marxist try to join the U S Marines at age 16?
Why would a person faking that he is a Marxist try to join the U.S.
Marines at age 16?
> WHY would a Marxist join the Marines as soon as he turned 17?
Why would a person faking that he is a Marxist join the Marines as
soon as he turned 17?
> WHY would a Marxist be wearing his U S Marine Corps ring the day he was
> arrested"
Why would a person faking that he is a Marxist be wearing his U.S.
Marine Corps ring the day he was arrested?
tomnln
"yeuhd" <needle...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 22, 12:28 am, "tomnln" <tom...@cox.net> wrote:
> WHY would a Marxist try to join the U S Marines at age 16?
Why would a person faking that he is a Marxist try to join the U.S.
Marines at age 16?
TO BECOME A SPY ! ! !
> WHY would a Marxist join the Marines as soon as he turned 17?
Why would a person faking that he is a Marxist join the Marines as
soon as he turned 17?
TO BECOME A SPY ! ! !
> WHY would a Marxist be wearing his U S Marine Corps ring the day he was
> arrested"
Why would a person faking that he is a Marxist be wearing his U.S.
Marine Corps ring the day he was arrested?
BECAUSE HE "WAS" SPY ! ! !
SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/spy.htm
SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/lho.htm
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timstter
> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:32:16 -0500, Peter Fokes <pfo...@rogers.com>
> wrote:
>
> Speaking of pamphlets, I see Edward Jay Epstein has popped up from
> nowhere to write another piece on Oswald:
>
> <quote on>
>
> Ever since he was handed a pamphlet about the Rosenberg prosecution at
> the age of 15, he was a joiner, seeking affiliations with groups at
> home and abroad. When he was only 16, he wrote the Socialist Party, "I
> am a Marxist and have been studying Socialist Principles for well over
> five years," and he requested information about joining their "Youth
> League." He subsequently made membership inquiries to such
> organizations as the Socialist Workers Party, the Socialist Labor
> Party, The Gus Hall-Benjamin Davis Defense Committee, The Fair Play
> for Cuba Committee and the Communist Party, USA-- correspondence that
> brought him under surveillance by the FBI.
>
> <quote off>
>
> See full article here:
>
>
> PF
Hi Peter,
I was under the impression that he said that he had been studying
Socialists Principles for well over fifteen months, not five years, when
he applied to join the YPSL. I'll have to go back and check.
He certainly couldn't get enough of left wing political organisations,
could he? His politics were obviously extreme left. About the only right
wing political organisation he attempted to join was DRE, and when his
attempt was thwarted he boasted how he'd *harrassed them* with information
he obtained.
BTW, the title of this thread when I posted it was *Oswald's Guru, Lamont,
Assails JFK As Tyrant In Fine, Basic Pamplet-14!* What happened to the
rest of the title? Lost in translation? :-)
Anthony Marsh
Why would the Sun rise?
BECAUSE HE "WAS" A SPY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yeuhd
>> Why would a person faking that he is a Marxist try to join the U.S.
>> Marines at age 16?
>
> TO BECOME A SPY ! ! !
Makes no sense. If he is a fake Marxist, for whom is he spying in the
U.S. Marine Corps?
tomnln
Take your mpick.....
CIA
NSA
ONI
etc.
timstter
> WHY would a Marxist try to join the U S Marines at age 16?
>
To emulate the brother he hero worshipped!
> WHY would a Marxist join the Marines as soon as he turned 17?
>
To get away from Mama Oswald!
> WHY would a Marxist be wearing his U S Marine Corps ring the day he was
> arrested"
>
Maybe he liked it. So what? Does it prove he didn't hand around fine,
basic pamplets [sic] that denigrated the US Government's position on
Castro's Cuba?
> WHY would a Marxist associate with several "Anti-Castro" Cuban
> organizations at 3126 Harlendale in Dallas?
>
He never did. The evidence you cite has been thoroughly debunked, as
well you know.
Regards,
Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
> "Peter Fokes" <pfo...@rogers.com> wrote in message
>
> news:265hg55ccn9e2f90h...@4ax.com...
>
> > On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:32:16 -0500, Peter Fokes <pfo...@rogers.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > Speaking of pamphlets, I see Edward Jay Epstein has popped up from
> > nowhere to write another piece on Oswald:
>
> > <quote on>
>
> > Ever since he was handed a pamphlet about the Rosenberg prosecution at
> > the age of 15, he was a joiner, seeking affiliations with groups at
> > home and abroad. When he was only 16, he wrote the Socialist Party, "I
> > am a Marxist and have been studying Socialist Principles for well over
> > five years," and he requested information about joining their "Youth
> > League." He subsequently made membership inquiries to such
> > organizations as the Socialist Workers Party, the Socialist Labor
> > Party, The Gus Hall-Benjamin Davis Defense Committee, The Fair Play
> > for Cuba Committee and the Communist Party, USA-- correspondence that
> > brought him under surveillance by the FBI.
>
> > <quote off>
>
> > See full article here:
>
> >http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ed-epstein/annals-of-unsolved-crime_b_3...
>
> > PF
tomnln
SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/3126%20%20HARLENDALE.htm
"timstter" <tims...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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special significance:
Some have argued that Oswald magically got his Crime Against Cuba
pamphlets from a 1961 CIA cache, but he ASKED for them specifically in a
letter to the FPCC, when he asked for more of the fine, basic pamphlets:
As you will note, the Lamont pamphlet is part of a series, as printed on
the cover, called Basic Pamphlets! He ASKED for the Lamont pamphlet.
timstter
> WRONG Again Tim;
>
> SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/3126%20%20HARLENDALE.htm
>
WRONG Again Tom! :-)
Why don't we examine all FOUR pages of the FBI document that you host
on your website, not just page two that you feature?
Page One:
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=10146&relPageId=12
Page Two:
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=10146&relPageId=13
Page Three:
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=10146&relPageId=14
Page Four:
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=10146&relPageId=15
Clearly shows that the FBI evaluated the story of Buddy Walthers about
Harlendale and Oswald being there and rejected it, Tom.
Clearly shows you have selectively quoted once again, only displaying
page two on your website.
Walthers claimed that he retrieved yellow FREEDOM FOR CUBA PARTY
leaflets at the Paine household:
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh7/html/WC_Vol7_0278b.htm
These were obviously FAIR PLAY FOR CUBA COMMITTEE pamphlets, Tom.
Buddy Walthers had NO idea what he was talking about re Cuban activist
groups, LOL!
Anthony Marsh
Obviously the prosecutor Henry Wade was as clueless when he said at the
press conference that Oswald was a member of the Free Cuba Committee.
Guess who was there to INSTANTLY correct him and shout out Fair Play for
Cuba Committee? Jack Ruby. None of the reporters knew the difference. The
lead prosecutor didn't know the difference, yet here's this nobody
low-level nightclub owner schooling them on Cuban politics.
John McAdams
<anthon...@comcast.net> wrote:
>On 11/24/2009 10:23 AM, timstter wrote:
>> On Nov 24, 3:18 am, "tomnln"<tom...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> WRONG Again Tim;
>>>
>>
Just who is clueless, Tony?
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/cuba1.rm
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/cuba2.rm
It seems you'll believe Oliver Stone, but haven't seen the newsreel
footage.
.John
--
The Kennedy Assassination Home Page
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
timstter
Hi Blackburst,
That's right! Oswald was very specific about the publication he wanted
and EVERY item he showed to Bill Stuckey or mentioned on air is to be
found in the FPCC literature catalog. I have wondered why DiEugenio
claims Oswald was sent the 45 CIA pamphlets when the FPCC clearly sent
him 50 pamphlets on 19 April, 1963.
Here is an excellent rundown re the Basic Pamphlet series as authored
by Corliss Lamont:
http://www.corliss-lamont.org/pamphlets/
Anyone interested in what Oswald handed out should read the above, in
my view.
timstter
> On 11/22/2009 2:27 PM, tomnln wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
LOL! Er, that's kinda funny, Marsh...
KUTGW!
:-)
Anthony Marsh
YOU are.
>
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/cuba1.rm
>
That's from the movie. I was not referencing the movie.
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/cuba2.rm
>
This is EXACTLY as I said. Wade says, "Well, the only one that I mentioned
was the Free Cuba Movement or whatever that's called" and Ruby corrects
him with, "That's the Fair Play for Cuba Committee." So again I ask, why
is it that Ruby who is supposed to be a non-political lowlife scum nobody
knows what none of the DPD nor reporters knows?
> It seems you'll believe Oliver Stone, but haven't seen the newsreel
> footage.
>
Seems I had that original footage decades before you did. Now what tricks
are you going to use to deny it?
timstter
>
> > Page Two:
> >http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=101...
>
> > Page Three:
> >http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=101...
>
> > Page Four:
> >http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=101...
>
> > Clearly shows that the FBI evaluated the story of Buddy Walthers about
> > Harlendale and Oswald being there and rejected it, Tom.
>
> > Clearly shows you have selectively quoted once again, only displaying
> > page two on your website.
>
> > Walthers claimed that he retrieved yellow FREEDOM FOR CUBA PARTY
> > leaflets at the Paine household:
>
>
> > These were obviously FAIR PLAY FOR CUBA COMMITTEE pamphlets, Tom.
>
> > Buddy Walthers had NO idea what he was talking about re Cuban activist
> > groups, LOL!
>
> Obviously the prosecutor Henry Wade was as clueless when he said at the
> press conference that Oswald was a member of the Free Cuba Committee.
> Guess who was there to INSTANTLY correct him and shout out Fair Play for
> Cuba Committee? Jack Ruby. None of the reporters knew the difference. The
> lead prosecutor didn't know the difference, yet here's this nobody
> low-level nightclub owner schooling them on Cuban politics.
>
> > Regards,
>
> > Tim Brennan
> > Sydney, Australia
> > *Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
Hi Marsh,
But isn't the evidence, though, that Ruby had actually been to Cuba? Not
sure the same can be said for Wade or the hopelessly off the mark
Walthers.
Point is, FPCC was a well known organisation in the States. It had been
investigated by a Senate subcommittee. A person who had actually been to
Cuba may well have been aware of it.
Alos, by the time the FPCC correction was made by Ruby (and others) this
was many hours after it had been broadcast that Oswald had been a
representative of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee in New Orleans.
BTW, Marsh, no comment on the full FBI document I posted which totally
debunks tomnln's claims? Tom seems to have gone all quiet.
Anthony Marsh
I believe he had, but I am not sure that he visited Trafficante in a
Cuban jail.
>
> Point is, FPCC was a well known organisation in the States. It had been
> investigated by a Senate subcommittee. A person who had actually been to
> Cuba may well have been aware of it.
>
Well known? Not to Wade or his people or all the reporters at that press
conference. Only to some lowlife scum nightclub owner.
You wouldn't think it strange if a stripper at your local Gentleman's
club happened to know all our Top Secret codes? That's an everyday
occurrence to you?
> Alos, by the time the FPCC correction was made by Ruby (and others) this
> was many hours after it had been broadcast that Oswald had been a
> representative of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee in New Orleans.
>
I guess the reporters were too busy to hear that news.
Like the guy who keeps calling him Lee Harold Oswald.
> BTW, Marsh, no comment on the full FBI document I posted which totally
> debunks tomnln's claims? Tom seems to have gone all quiet.
>
Why should I comment? I am not his buddy, nor yours. I enjoy seeing you
shoot each other.
yeuhd
Were all our Top Secret codes given out in news stories that Friday? They
weren't? Because almost every news story about Oswald broadcast from 4
p.m. onward that day mentioned that he was an officer of the Fair Play for
Cuba Committee in New Orleans. Jack Ruby was one of several voices at the
midnight press conference who corrected Henry Wade's error. (Oliver
Stone's movie "JFK" has Ruby being the only person who corrects Wade.)
One thing all sides agree about is that Jack Ruby was obsessed by the
Kennedy assassination on the weekend of Nov. 22–24, and talked about and
did like else than nurse his obsession.
Anthony Marsh
Name anyone else who yelled it out. I hear only Jack Ruby yell it out
first. So we already know that the DPD were so poor that they couldn't
afford a tape recorder. So maybe they were so poor that they couldn't
afford a radio and never heard those broadcasts about Oswald being in the
Fair Play for Cuba Committee. Or Wade was getting bad intelligence. How
many excuse are you going to make for the DPD to avoid the obvious
conclusion that a lowlife like Ruby knew more than the police about
Oswald's Cuban affiliation?
> One thing all sides agree about is that Jack Ruby was obsessed by the
> Kennedy assassination on the weekend of Nov. 22?24, and talked about and
yeuhd
Wade's misspeaking the name of the organization does not = "so poor
they couldn't afford a radio" or "Wade was getting bad intelligence".
It equals: Wade misspoke the name of the organization. Ever misspeak
anything in the midst of chaos? To make your case, you must exaggerate
the impossibility that Wade would make an off-the-cuff error, and
simultaneously exaggerate the possibility that anyone like Ruby could
know the correct information.
I noticed that a WFAA-TV reporter covering the JFK assassination over
the weekend of Nov. 22–24 kept calling the suspect "Lee Harold Oswald"
as late as Sunday morning when of course virtually all other sources
correctly reported his middle name was "Harvey". The reporter had no
lack of access to these news sources; he wasn't so poor he couldn't
afford a radio. He misspoke. Numerous other people following the
assassination coverage could have told him that Oswald's correct
middle name was Harvey.
Likewise, almost all broadcast reports of Oswald from 4 p.m. onward on
Nov. 22 mentioned his association with the "Fair Play for Cuba
Committee". You want to make it seem like a miracle that a "low life
scum" (as you keep calling Ruby) would know that, even though Ruby
obviously had become obsessed with the assassination, and had also
been to Cuba in 1959 shortly before the revolution.
Anthony Marsh
He didn't misspeak himself. He got the name wrong.
> It equals: Wade misspoke the name of the organization. Ever misspeak
> anything in the midst of chaos? To make your case, you must exaggerate
> the impossibility that Wade would make an off-the-cuff error, and
> simultaneously exaggerate the possibility that anyone like Ruby could
> know the correct information.
>
I don't blame Wade for not knowing the correct name. That is my point.
Most people did not know the correct name. And out of all the
well-informed people in that room, only one person knew the correct name.
And who was that one person? Jack Ruby. How is it that a lowlife scum
nightclub owner knows so much about it?
> I noticed that a WFAA-TV reporter covering the JFK assassination over
> the weekend of Nov. 22?24 kept calling the suspect "Lee Harold Oswald"
> as late as Sunday morning when of course virtually all other sources
> correctly reported his middle name was "Harvey". The reporter had no
You'd think that a reporter might have heard the correct name several
times by then. But once he misheard it once he kept repeating his mistake.
> lack of access to these news sources; he wasn't so poor he couldn't
> afford a radio. He misspoke. Numerous other people following the
> assassination coverage could have told him that Oswald's correct
> middle name was Harvey.
>
You'd think that a fellow reporter would enjoy embarrassing him by
reminding him that it was "Harvey."
Just like a fellow CIA officer reminding Ann Egerter that his middle name
was not "Henry."
> Likewise, almost all broadcast reports of Oswald from 4 p.m. onward on
> Nov. 22 mentioned his association with the "Fair Play for Cuba
> Committee". You want to make it seem like a miracle that a "low life
> scum" (as you keep calling Ruby) would know that, even though Ruby
> obviously had become obsessed with the assassination, and had also
> been to Cuba in 1959 shortly before the revolution.
>
Ok, then prove to me that Ruby was listening to the radio reports all day.
And that no one else in the room had.
tomnln
You quote another witness with "Conflicting" accounts of the Same issue.
Proving "Reasonable Doubt".
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timstter
> You KEEP Losing tim;
>
> You quote another witness with "Conflicting" accounts of the Same issue.
>
> Proving "Reasonable Doubt".
>
>
> Page Two:http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=101...
>
> Page Three:http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=101...
>
> Page Four:http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=101...
>
> Harlendale and Oswald being there and rejected it, Tom.
>
> Clearly shows you have selectively quoted once again, only displaying
> page two on your website.
>
> Walthers claimed that he retrieved yellow FREEDOM FOR CUBA PARTY
> leaflets at the Paine household:
>
>
> These were obviously FAIR PLAY FOR CUBA COMMITTEE pamphlets, Tom.
>
> Buddy Walthers had NO idea what he was talking about re Cuban activist
> groups, LOL!
>
> Regards,
>
> Tim Brennan
> Sydney, Australia
> *Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
Hi Tom,
Naw, the full FBI document I posted, of which you chose to put only
one of the four pages on your website; the page that supported your
argument, surprise surprise, comprehensively debunks Walthers'
theories about Oswald and the Freedom For Cuba Party [sic].
There never WAS any Freedom For Cuba Party and Walthers was passing on
a second hand rumour that was obviously wrong. Apparently he got the
lead from his ol' Mum-In-Law, LOL!
If you look at the evidence photos of the material confiscated from
Irving, Tom, there are only FPCC leaflets shown there. No black and
gold Freedom For Cuba Party leaflets, Tom:
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=10505&relPageId=51
What a bloody BORE Oswald must have been, reading stuff like The
Revolution Must Be A School Of Unfettered Thought, one of Castro's
speeches, LOL!
tomnln
Thanks for the link Tim;
I never saw an "official search warrant" before.
I DID however know that they only had TWO (2) spent shells from under the
window.
WHY is it that you neglect to mention the FBI Report on that page "housing
the FPCC WITH a number of Anti-Castro Organizations on Harlandale?
Getting into the Season with>>> HOHOHO !
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tomnln
SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/3126%20%20HARLENDALE.htm
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timstter
Welcome!
> I never saw an "official search warrant" before.
>
If you look in the photo it says the items were voluntarily given by
Mrs Paine and Marina to the DPD.
> I DID however know that they only had TWO (2) spent shells from under the
> window.
>
Has nothing to do with what we are discussing.
> WHY is it that you neglect to mention the FBI Report on that page "housing
> the FPCC WITH a number of Anti-Castro Organizations on Harlandale?
>
How can I NEGLECT to mention the FBI report when I've just LINKED to
all four pages of it? The report simply doesn't say what you claim it
says. It also debunks your idiotic witness Walthers.
> Getting into the Season with>>> HOHOHO !
>
LOL! If you believe in Walthers and the FPCC @ Harlendale, that's akin
to believing in Santa, tomnln.
yeuhd
> > Likewise, almost all broadcast reports of Oswald from 4 p.m. onward on
> > Nov. 22 mentioned his association with the "Fair Play for Cuba
> > Committee". You want to make it seem like a miracle that a "low life
> > scum" (as you keep calling Ruby) would know that, even though Ruby
> > obviously had become obsessed with the assassination, and had also
> > been to Cuba in 1959 shortly before the revolution.
>
> Ok, then prove to me that Ruby was listening to the radio reports all day.
Don't know why anyone has to prove that Ruby was listening to radio
reports "all day". Once is enough. 5 H 187, WC testimony of Jack L. Ruby,
narrating his activities on the evening of Friday, Nov. 22:
Mr. RUBY. And all the while listening to the radio, I heard about a
certain diskjockey, Joe Long, that is down at the station, giving
firsthand information — I want to describe him — of Oswald.
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh5/html/WC_Vol5_0099a.htm
5 H 189, Ruby describes the press conference District Attorney Henry
Wade gave about two hours later.
Mr. RUBY. And they [the reporters] questioned Henry Wade, "what
organization did he belong to," or something. And if I recall, I think
Henry Wade answered, "Free Cuba."
And I corrected Henry Wade, because listening to the radio or KLIF, it
stood out in my mind that it was "Fair Play Cuba." There was a difference.
So he said, "Oh yes, Fair Play Cuba," and he corrected that.
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh5/html/WC_Vol5_0100a.htm
tomnln
So, you do NOT wanna address the "Search Warrant" that was "hand
written"???
I don't blame you Tim;
Seasonally>>. HO HO HO
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timstter
> So, you do NOT wanna address the "Search Warrant" that was "hand
> written"???
>
I don't know what it has to do with the FPCC not being @ Harlendale,
tomnln. Do you believe that Buddy Walthers DIDN'T find FPCC material
when he searched the house in Irving?
> I don't blame you Tim;
>
You'll have to explain the significance, Tom. What has it got to do
with the FPCC not being at Harlendale?
> Seasonally>>. HO HO HO
>
Merry Christmas, tomnln! HO HO HO! :-)
Regards,
Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
> "timstter" <timst...@gmail.com> wrote in message
tomnln
I thought only Gypsies/Bedouins flipped address that Quickly Tim;
We were talking about 3126 Harlendale in Dallas where the "Fair Play For
Cuba Committee" was housed along with all of those "Anti-Castro"
organizations subsidized by the CIA.
AND, we were talking about that "hand written search warrant" you linked
to.
It looked like it was written in crayon by a 3rd grader ! ! !
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timstter
> I thought only Gypsies/Bedouins flipped address that Quickly Tim;
>
> We were talking about 3126 Harlendale in Dallas where the "Fair Play For
> Cuba Committee" was housed along with all of those "Anti-Castro"
> organizations subsidized by the CIA.
>
The Fair Play for Cuba Committee was never housed at 3126 Harlendale,
tomnln, as anyone who reads the full FBI memo will see. It was Alpha 66,
an anti-Castro organisation that was at Harlendale. Read your own memo
that you first linked to! Put up the three missing pages!
> AND, we were talking about that "hand written search warrant" you linked
> to.
>
> It looked like it was written in crayon by a 3rd grader ! ! !
>
That isn't a search warrant, tomnln. It's a handwritten sign for the DPD
photographer, detailing where the confiscated items came from. Say, look
at all that extreme Leftist material Oswald enjoyed reading!
tomnln
http://whokilledjfk.net/3126%20%20HARLENDALE.htm
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tim thinks a hand written sign would pass for an official "search warrant"
in a U S Court Room ! ! !
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tomnln
http://whokilledjfk.net/3126%20%20HARLENDALE.htm
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tim thinks a hand written sign would pass for an official "search warrant"
in a U S Court Room ! ! !
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timstter
> READ IT & WEEP ! ! ! !
>
> http://whokilledjfk.net/3126%20%20HARLENDALE.htm
> (YOU SO CARELESSLY SNIPPED)
>
> tim thinks a hand written sign would pass for an official "search warrant"
> in a U S Court Room ! ! !
>
I already read it and I already debunked it.
I posted the full, four page FBI report that debunked Walthers' claims
re the FPCC at Harlendale.
If YOUR argument was so strong, why did you only post one page from
that report, leaving out the others that SPECIFICALLY denied the
allegations of Walthers?
Because your argument doesn't stand up to scrutiny, that's why.
If it does, post the rest of the FBI report on your website.
As for your claim that that handwritten sign is some kind of search
warrant, well that is YOUR claim.
Looks like a sign to describe what the DPD found @ Irving for the DPD
photographer, to me.
Say, I wonder if it is in the barely literate scrawl of Buddy *Freedom
For Cuba Party* Walthers, LOL! Even the dyslexic Oswald would have
done a more professional job, seems to me.
tomnln
http://whokilledjfk.net/3126%20%20HARLENDALE.htm
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yeuhd
> If YOU claim there are 3 more pages then; YOU must post them.
Why mustn't you?
tomnln
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On Dec 13, 2:11 pm, "tomnln" <tom...@cox.net> wrote:
> If YOU claim there are 3 more pages then; YOU must post them.
Why mustn't you?
Because it ain't My Claim ! ! !
timstter
> If YOU claim there are 3 more pages then; YOU must post them.
>
> http://whokilledjfk.net/3126%20%20HARLENDALE.htm
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>
I already DID post them back in November, Tom. It's post # 16 in this
thread.
timstter
> "yeuhd" <needleswax...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Already posted back in November, tomnln.
See post # 16 in this thread.
You even replied to it!
See post # 27 in this thread.
Why are you pretending that the FBI report doesn't SPECIFICALLY debunk
what Walthers wrote in that DSO report?
Why did you neglect to post the other three pages of the FBI report
that show this?
Any explanation on your part?
Sure be interested to hear it.
tomnln
Are you telling us that the authorities "Contradicted" themselves AGAIN ?
? ?
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timstter
> Are you telling us that the authorities "Contradicted" themselves AGAIN ?
> ? ?
>
No, I'm saying that I already posted the full document that debunks
the material you have on your website and which also shows your
selective use of the evidence to make your dubious point and you are
pretending not to have seen it.
Once again your website is debunked and you have no response except to
keep reposting your now debunked material.
Quite bizarre, really.
Concerned Regards,