Was Oswald Really into Curtains?
Robert Harris
One of the many controversies surrounding this case, is the question
of whether Oswald was telling the truth, when he said he was carrying
curtain rods, wrapped in brown paper, taken from Ruth Paine's home to
the Depository.
We already know for a fact, that Ruth Paine did indeed, have such
curtain rods, wrapped exactly like Oswald's package, sitting in her
garage. We also know that DPD records show those curtain rods were
transferred to the DPD on March 15th, 8 DAYS BEFORE THEY WERE
SUPPOSEDLY, FOUND IN PAINE'S GARAGE.
But hey! Curtains and curtain rods are not really things a guy like
that would care about, are they? Would Oswald really have went to such
trouble, just to make his room look good or perhaps, give himself a
little extra privacy?
This affidavit, from a recent landlord tells us exactly where on his
list of priorities, Oswald placed such things.
Pay particular attention to point number 8.
AFFIDAVIT
PRESIDENT'S COMMISSION
ON THE ASSASSINATION OF
PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY
State of Texas,
County of Tarrant, ss:
Chester Allen Riggs, Jr., being duly sworn says:
1.I am Vice President of Orbit Industries, Inc., 250 Carroll, Fort
Worth, Texas, --I reside at 836 Edgefield in that city
2.I am and have been prior to July 1 of 1962, the owner of a duplex
house located at 2703 Mercedes Street, Fort Worth, Texas. That duplex
contains two furnished apartments.
3.Sometime in July, 1962, I rented one of the apartment units to Lee
Harvey Oswald. While I do not keep precise records of the tenants of
the above apartments, since there is a fairly high rate of turnover
amongst them, to the best of my recollection, Lee Oswald and his wife
lived in the apartment from sometime in July of 1962 until early
October of that year.
4.I do not keep records of the rental payable on each of the
apartments. My records reflect only the total rental paid on a number
of apartments which I own in the vicinity of 2703 Mercedes Street. As
a result I am not able to state precisely the rental which Lee Oswald
paid for the above apartment, but my recollection is quite clear that
it was $59.50 a month.
5.The utilities in the apartment are in my name and are not changed
with the movement of tenants through the apartment. The tenants are,
however, responsible for the payment of the utility bills. Whenever I
receive a bill in respect to any of the apartments I forward it to the
tenants for payment. I recall that the utilities in the apartment at
2703 Mercedes averaged about $12.00 a month during the time that it
was occupied by the Oswalds. To the best of my knowledge Oswald paid
those utility bills directly.
6.I recall that when Oswald rented the apartment he gave me the
impression he would have no difficulty in handling the arrangements
for the payment of the utilities and other incidental arrangements
that had to be made in connection with his occupancy of the apartment.
7.To the best of my recollection Oswald did not have a telephone in
the apartment.
8.Either at the time that Oswald rented the apartment or shortly
thereafter, he asked me to install new curtains in the apartment,
which I agreed to do. While I had no difficulty with Oswald in this
connection he was quite definite in stating that he wanted the new
curtains installed.
9.I subsequently called at the apartment to consult with Oswald or his
wife concerning the color of the drapes or curtains to be installed in
the apartment. Oswald was not present at the time and when I attempted
to discuss the matter with his wife I could obtain no response from
her. It appeared to me at the time that she was not interested in
having the new curtains. Subsequently I have learned that Marina
Oswald had a limited command of the English language and it now
appears to me in fact that she simply did not understand what I was
talking about.
10.Oswald never mentioned the new drapes or curtains after that time
and they were never installed in the apartment while he lived there.
11.I do recall that when Oswald asked about the curtains I told him
that I would be willing to install them if he was planning to stay in
the apartment for some period of time. I mentioned this because, as I
have said, there was quite a high rate of turnover amongst the tenants
because of the nature of the housing, which was of a low-income type,
and I did not want to put new curtains in and then have Oswald move
out shortly thereafter. Oswald told me that he had a job with a
welding company nearby and was planning to stay in the apartment for
some time.
12.My own business office is located near the apartment at 2703
Mercedes Street and I recall seeing Oswald walk to work from the
apartment. To the best of my knowledge Oswald did not have a car while
he lived in the above apartment.
13.Oswald appeared to spend a considerable amount of time reading.
>From time to time I observed him doing that on the steps of the
apartment and he was usually reading when I called at the apartment
for the rent payment.
14.When Oswald moved out sometime early in October he owed some rent
and had not completely paid for the utilities which he used. I do not
recall exactly what the amount was but it was not very large.
15.The Oswalds left the apartment in good clean condition.
16.I do not know where Oswald moved after he left the apartment at
2703 Mercedes Street and I do not know where he lived prior to the
time he moved there. There was no adverse condition in the relations
between Oswald and myself which could have prompted Oswald to leave
the apartment.
Signed on May 20, 1964, at For t Worth Tex.
(S)Chester Allen Riggs, Jr.,
CHESTER ALLEN RIGGS, Jr.
Peter Fokes
*safehouse* were reliable!
-:)
Peter F
"Robert Harris" <reha...@cybermesa.com> wrote in message
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John McAdams
wrote:
You actually think this rescues Oswald's "curtain rods" story?
It's interesting that you quote an *old* landlord, and can't quote his
landlord on Beckley. That's because she explicitly said that Lee's
room had curtains, and mentioned nothing about Lee wanting new
certains.
And even if he wanted new curtains, why would he want new curtain
*rods.*
The evidence on this is overwhelming.
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.John
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Peter R. Whitmey
>>As mentioned in RUTH PAINE'S GARAGE (it should be entitled THE PAINE'S
GARAGE, as they were still married at the time and co-owners of the
house), Michael Paine had moved the package wrapped in a blanket several
times while working, and thought that it was camping equipment, not
curtain rods. He stated this to both the media and later the WC. How
could he confuse camping equipment for a rifle, especially since it turns
out he had seen the backyard photo of Oswald with his rifle and pistol
after all, which he kept to himself until the mid-1990s. - Peter Whitmey
Peter R. Whitmey
John Hill
news:945b9736.02123...@posting.google.com...
<SNIP>
> >>As mentioned in RUTH PAINE'S GARAGE (it should be entitled THE PAINE'S
> GARAGE, as they were still married at the time and co-owners of the
> house), Michael Paine had moved the package wrapped in a blanket several
> times while working, and thought that it was camping equipment, not
> curtain rods.
Hi Peter,
The suggestion is that the blanket belonging to Oswald did not contain
*either* the M-C or curtain rods, but that the curtain rods were wrapped
in paper elsewhere in the garage.
> He stated this to both the media and later the WC. How
> could he confuse camping equipment for a rifle, especially since it turns
> out he had seen the backyard photo of Oswald with his rifle and pistol
> after all, which he kept to himself until the mid-1990s. - Peter Whitmey
Good question.
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John Hill (joisa)
Robert Harris
(John McAdams) wrote:
LOL!
The only "rescuing" required is your belief that the Paines just
coincidentally happened to have curtain rods in their garage, wrapped
exactly like the ones Frazier saw Oswald take from their house that day.
And you still haven't dealt with the little problem that those curtain
rods were checked into the DPD on March 15th, eight days before they were
taken from the garage.
>
> It's interesting that you quote an *old* landlord, and can't quote his
> landlord on Beckley. That's because she explicitly said that Lee's
> room had curtains, and mentioned nothing about Lee wanting new
> certains.
Ah yes, the lady who complained bitterly that she had had been subjected
to the "third degree" by the feds. You seem to use her a lot, John.
>
> And even if he wanted new curtains, why would he want new curtain
> *rods.*
Duh... maybe because there were no curtain rods in the room.
>
> The evidence on this is overwhelming.
You got that one right.
Robert Harris
John McAdams
wrote:
Then if Oswald took *those* rods in to work they would still be in the
Paine's garage, would they?
You need rods found in the Depository. Your buddies the LaFontaines
implied (but avoided actually saying) that the "mystery rods" could
have been found in the Depository.
They said nothing about their being in the Paine garage.
>And you still haven't dealt with the little problem that those curtain
>rods were checked into the DPD on March 15th, eight days before they were
>taken from the garage.
>
>
All kinds of document have errors in them, Bob.
How do you explain that the LaFontaines "new evidence" rods have the
same exhibit numbers as those specifically identified before the WC as
being from the Paine's garage?
>
>>
>> It's interesting that you quote an *old* landlord, and can't quote his
>> landlord on Beckley. That's because she explicitly said that Lee's
>> room had curtains, and mentioned nothing about Lee wanting new
>> certains.
>
>Ah yes, the lady who complained bitterly that she had had been subjected
>to the "third degree" by the feds. You seem to use her a lot, John.
>
OIC. Inconvenient witness, so she must have been coerced.
>
>
>>
>> And even if he wanted new curtains, why would he want new curtain
>> *rods.*
>
>Duh... maybe because there were no curtain rods in the room.
>
>
But Oswald's room was photographed in the wake of the assassination,
and there were curtains and curtain rods.
See:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/images/room1.htm
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/images/room2.htm
Also, see the movie footage in the Frontline documentary.
twalsh
I think this shows Oswald's penchant for interior decorating which he
undoubtedly gained in New Orleans while hanging out with Garrison's
evil homosexuals. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Just
kidding.
Mitch Todd
> john.m...@marquette.edu (John McAdams) wrote:
[...]
> > You actually think this rescues Oswald's "curtain rods" story?
> >
> > It's interesting that you quote an *old* landlord, and can't quote his
> > landlord on Beckley. That's because she explicitly said that Lee's
> > room had curtains, and mentioned nothing about Lee wanting new
> > certains.
> >
> > And even if he wanted new curtains, why would he want new curtain
> > *rods.*
> >
> > The evidence on this is overwhelming.
> >
> > http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/bag.htm
> I think this shows Oswald's penchant for interior decorating which he
> undoubtedly gained in New Orleans while hanging out with Garrison's
> evil homosexuals. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Just
> kidding.
Didn't Shaw get involved with Permindex in order to import fancy
Italian curtain rods?
MST
JS707FL
>undoubtedly gained in New Orleans while hanging out with Garrison's
>evil homosexuals. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Just
>kidding.
I completely understand the joke, but don't ever let stereotypes fool you.
I know a married, 100% straight man that designed, sewed, and installed
his own new curtains and draperies.
By the way, Oswald was bisexual, if not in sexual orientation then in
sexual activity for money & he did hang out with some homosexuals, like
Jack Ruby.
Although i haven't seen it yet, a researcher has a copy of the register
from the Dallas YMCA showing that Oswald & Ruby both stayed there
overnight on the same date.
John
Orlando, Florida
Rob Spencer
Oswald a bisexual? I thought we covered this, What proof do you have?
Spence
John McAdams
>>I think this shows Oswald's penchant for interior decorating which he
>>undoubtedly gained in New Orleans while hanging out with Garrison's
>>evil homosexuals. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Just
>>kidding.
>
>I completely understand the joke, but don't ever let stereotypes fool you.
>
>I know a married, 100% straight man that designed, sewed, and installed
>his own new curtains and draperies.
>
>By the way, Oswald was bisexual, if not in sexual orientation then in
>sexual activity for money & he did hang out with some homosexuals, like
>Jack Ruby.
>
There is really no evidence that Ruby was homosexual. The book JACK
RUBY'S GIRLS discusses his having sex with some of his strippers,
including a "live-in girlfriend" for a brief period.
His roommate, George Senator, had been married and had a family. Ruby
took him in because he was down on his luck.
Wills and Demaris record that:
"By six in the evening, Jack was at the Y.M.C.A. He belonged to the
Health Club, which some men join to avoid being approached by
homosexuals. Jack was not know at a neighborhood fairy-rendezvous,
and he did not linger at the Y."
>Although i haven't seen it yet, a researcher has a copy of the register
>from the Dallas YMCA showing that Oswald & Ruby both stayed there
>overnight on the same date.
>
I'd say that is something you need to produce, don't you think?
.John
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