LILLIAN MOONEYHAM, Deputy District Court Clerk, 95th Court, Records Building, advised that she watched the Presidential Motorcade on November 22, 1963 from the windows of the court house. She, along with Mrs. ROSE CLARK and JEANETTE E. HOOKER, observed the Presidential Motorcade proceeding down Main Street from the window of Judge J. FRANK WILSON'S courtroom, overlooking Main Street. As the motorcade passed them on Main Street, MOONEYHAM, CLARK and HOOKER ran to Judge HENRY KING's courtroom window, which faces Houston Street, in time to see the motorcade turn west from Elm Street on Houston. Mrs MOONEYHAM believes that BOB REID, Deputy District Court Clerk, Dallas, Texas, was in Judge KING's courtroom watching the motorcade at the same time as was MOONEYHAM, CLARK and HOOKER.
Mrs. MOONEYHAM heard a gunshot and observed President KENNEDY slump to the left of the seat of the car. At the time of the initial shot, Mrs. MOONEYHAM believed that a firecracker had gone off. Following the first shot, there was a slight pause and then two more shots were discharged, the second and third shots sounding closer together. Mrs. MOONEYHAM observed Mrs. KENNEDY climb up on the back of the car and her eyes were then diverted toward the left of the Presidential Motorcade on Elm Street toward a bystander, a man who had fallen to the ground.
Mrs. MOONEYHAM and Mrs. CLARK left Judge KING's courtroom and went to the office of Judge JULIEN C. HYER on the third floor of the Records Building, where they continued to observe the happenings from Judge HYER's window. From Judge HYER's window, Mrs. MOONEYHAM noted a number of bystanders running toward the cement pavilion which borders Elm Street between the railroad viaduct and the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD). Mrs. MOONEYHAM estimated that it was about 4 1/2 to 5 minutes following the shots fired by the assassin, that she looked up towards the sixth floor of the TSBD and observed the figure of a man standing in a sixth floor window behind some cardboard boxes. This man appeared to Mrs. MOONEYHAM to be looking out of the window, however, the man was not close up to the window but was standing slightly back from it, so that Mrs. MOONEYHAM could not make out his features. She stated that she could give no description of this individual except to say that she is sure it was a man she observed, because the figure had on trousers. She could not recall the color of the trousers.
Mrs. MOONEYHAM stated she could not furnish any additional identifying information regarding the figure she observed in this window.
Mrs. MOONEYHAM stated that following the assassination of President JOHN FITZGERALD KENNEDY, she observed a re-enactment of the assassination on two separate occasions on one day, and it was her impression that the Presidential Motorcade was going slower than the re-enactment motorcade. She stated that it was her estimation that the Presidential car was going approximately five or six miles per hour at the time of the assassination, however, she noted that her estimation was based upon her observation of the Presidential car as it moved west on Elm away from the position where she was located.
on 1/8/64 at Dallas, Texas File # DL 100-10461 By Special Agent GEORGE T. BINNEY Date Dictated 1/9/64
Commision Exhibit No. 2099
The only mistake I believe Ms Mooneyham made in her statement was when she estimated the time 4 1/2 to 5 minutes. I walked the same approximate distance and it only took about a minute. I think the time estimate she should have said would be approximately two minutes.
Her seeing a man in the SE 6th floor corner window set when she did means the man who shot Oswald's rifle from there was not Oswald. Her hearing two shots after she saw JFK slump means (for those who have studied the facts) there were a minimum of four shots and two shooters.
>LILLIAN MOONEYHAM, Deputy District Court Clerk, 95th Court, Records >Building, advised that she watched the Presidential Motorcade on November >22, 1963 from the windows of the court house. She, along with Mrs. ROSE >CLARK and JEANETTE E. HOOKER, observed the Presidential Motorcade >proceeding down Main Street from the window of Judge J. FRANK WILSON'S >courtroom, overlooking Main Street. As the motorcade passed them on Main >Street, MOONEYHAM, CLARK and HOOKER ran to Judge HENRY KING's courtroom >window, which faces Houston Street, in time to see the motorcade turn west >from Elm Street on Houston. Mrs MOONEYHAM believes that BOB REID, Deputy >District Court Clerk, Dallas, Texas, was in Judge KING's courtroom >watching the motorcade at the same time as was MOONEYHAM, CLARK and >HOOKER.
>Mrs. MOONEYHAM heard a gunshot and observed President KENNEDY slump to the >left of the seat of the car. At the time of the initial shot, Mrs. >MOONEYHAM believed that a firecracker had gone off. Following the first >shot, there was a slight pause and then two more shots were discharged, >the second and third shots sounding closer together. Mrs. MOONEYHAM >observed Mrs. KENNEDY climb up on the back of the car and her eyes were >then diverted toward the left of the Presidential Motorcade on Elm Street >toward a bystander, a man who had fallen to the ground.
>Mrs. MOONEYHAM and Mrs. CLARK left Judge KING's courtroom and went to the >office of Judge JULIEN C. HYER on the third floor of the Records Building, >where they continued to observe the happenings from Judge HYER's window. >From Judge HYER's window, Mrs. MOONEYHAM noted a number of bystanders >running toward the cement pavilion which borders Elm Street between the >railroad viaduct and the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD). Mrs. >MOONEYHAM estimated that it was about 4 1/2 to 5 minutes following the >shots fired by the assassin, that she looked up towards the sixth floor of >the TSBD and observed the figure of a man standing in a sixth floor window >behind some cardboard boxes. This man appeared to Mrs. MOONEYHAM to be >looking out of the window, however, the man was not close up to the window >but was standing slightly back from it, so that Mrs. MOONEYHAM could not >make out his features. She stated that she could give no description of >this individual except to say that she is sure it was a man she observed, >because the figure had on trousers. She could not recall the color of the >trousers.
>Mrs. MOONEYHAM stated she could not furnish any additional identifying >information regarding the figure she observed in this window.
>Mrs. MOONEYHAM stated that following the assassination of President JOHN >FITZGERALD KENNEDY, she observed a re-enactment of the assassination on >two separate occasions on one day, and it was her impression that the >Presidential Motorcade was going slower than the re-enactment motorcade. >She stated that it was her estimation that the Presidential car was going >approximately five or six miles per hour at the time of the assassination, >however, she noted that her estimation was based upon her observation of >the Presidential car as it moved west on Elm away from the position where >she was located.
>on 1/8/64 at Dallas, Texas=20
>File # DL 100-10461 By Special Agent GEORGE T. BINNEY Date Dictated 1/9/64
>Commision Exhibit No. 2099=20
>The only mistake I believe Ms Mooneyham made in her statement was when she >estimated the time 4 1/2 to 5 minutes. I walked the same approximate >distance and it only took about a minute. I think the time estimate she >should have said would be approximately two minutes.
>Her seeing a man in the SE 6th floor corner window set when she did means >the man who shot Oswald's rifle from there was not Oswald. Her hearing two >shots after she saw JFK slump means (for those who have studied the facts) >there were a minimum of four shots and two shooters.
So you admit she was wrong about the time?
If she was wrong about the time, it could have been Oswald.
If she was wrong about the time, it could have been a cop (cops
arrived there about 1:00 p.m.).
Do you think a conspirator would have hung about for 4 1/2 or 5
minutes?
"Mrs. MOONEYHAM noted a number of bystanders running toward the cement pavilion which borders Elm Street between the railroad viaduct and the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD)." I believe this happened about two minutes after the last shot, then Mrs. Mooneyham saw the guy in the window. So you believe Mrs, Mooneyham saw nothing of note for 2 1/2 to 3 minutes after bystanders running. You are grasping at straws.
> "Mrs. MOONEYHAM noted a number of bystanders running toward the cement
> pavilion which borders Elm Street between the railroad viaduct and the
> Texas School Book Depository (TSBD)." I believe
'I believe'
> this happened about two
> minutes after the last shot, then
'then'
> Mrs. Mooneyham saw the guy in the
> window. So you believe Mrs, Mooneyham saw nothing of note for 2 1/2 to 3
> minutes after bystanders running. You are grasping at straws.
> charles
Now just who is grasping at straws?
Heck, I used to believe the ship from Space Invaders took out Kennedy. It's just as reasonable a hypothesis as yours.
Well, according to the HSCA someone moved some boxes in the sixth floor window between the taking of the Dillard and Powell photos (an interval of only several minutes)
One thing is certain if the boxes were moved -- it wasn't Oswald.
And so, as with many things in this case............
"........you pays your money and you takes your choice!"
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn
by Mark Twain
a.k.a. Samuel Clemens
(1835-1910)
John F.
"John McAdams" <john.mcad...@marquette.edu> wrote in message
> On 13 Nov 2012 17:34:19 -0500, charles wallace <chas112...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>Date January 10, 1964=20
>>LILLIAN MOONEYHAM, Deputy District Court Clerk, 95th Court, Records
>>Building, advised that she watched the Presidential Motorcade on November
>>22, 1963 from the windows of the court house. She, along with Mrs. ROSE
>>CLARK and JEANETTE E. HOOKER, observed the Presidential Motorcade
>>proceeding down Main Street from the window of Judge J. FRANK WILSON'S
>>courtroom, overlooking Main Street. As the motorcade passed them on Main
>>Street, MOONEYHAM, CLARK and HOOKER ran to Judge HENRY KING's courtroom
>>window, which faces Houston Street, in time to see the motorcade turn west
>>from Elm Street on Houston. Mrs MOONEYHAM believes that BOB REID, Deputy
>>District Court Clerk, Dallas, Texas, was in Judge KING's courtroom
>>watching the motorcade at the same time as was MOONEYHAM, CLARK and
>>HOOKER.
>>Mrs. MOONEYHAM heard a gunshot and observed President KENNEDY slump to the
>>left of the seat of the car. At the time of the initial shot, Mrs.
>>MOONEYHAM believed that a firecracker had gone off. Following the first
>>shot, there was a slight pause and then two more shots were discharged,
>>the second and third shots sounding closer together. Mrs. MOONEYHAM
>>observed Mrs. KENNEDY climb up on the back of the car and her eyes were
>>then diverted toward the left of the Presidential Motorcade on Elm Street
>>toward a bystander, a man who had fallen to the ground.
>>Mrs. MOONEYHAM and Mrs. CLARK left Judge KING's courtroom and went to the
>>office of Judge JULIEN C. HYER on the third floor of the Records Building,
>>where they continued to observe the happenings from Judge HYER's window.
>>From Judge HYER's window, Mrs. MOONEYHAM noted a number of bystanders
>>running toward the cement pavilion which borders Elm Street between the
>>railroad viaduct and the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD). Mrs.
>>MOONEYHAM estimated that it was about 4 1/2 to 5 minutes following the
>>shots fired by the assassin, that she looked up towards the sixth floor of
>>the TSBD and observed the figure of a man standing in a sixth floor window
>>behind some cardboard boxes. This man appeared to Mrs. MOONEYHAM to be
>>looking out of the window, however, the man was not close up to the window
>>but was standing slightly back from it, so that Mrs. MOONEYHAM could not
>>make out his features. She stated that she could give no description of
>>this individual except to say that she is sure it was a man she observed,
>>because the figure had on trousers. She could not recall the color of the
>>trousers.
>>Mrs. MOONEYHAM stated she could not furnish any additional identifying
>>information regarding the figure she observed in this window.
>>Mrs. MOONEYHAM stated that following the assassination of President JOHN
>>FITZGERALD KENNEDY, she observed a re-enactment of the assassination on
>>two separate occasions on one day, and it was her impression that the
>>Presidential Motorcade was going slower than the re-enactment motorcade.
>>She stated that it was her estimation that the Presidential car was going
>>approximately five or six miles per hour at the time of the assassination,
>>however, she noted that her estimation was based upon her observation of
>>the Presidential car as it moved west on Elm away from the position where
>>she was located.
>>on 1/8/64 at Dallas, Texas=20
>>File # DL 100-10461 By Special Agent GEORGE T. BINNEY Date Dictated 1/9/64
>>Commision Exhibit No. 2099=20
>>The only mistake I believe Ms Mooneyham made in her statement was when she
>>estimated the time 4 1/2 to 5 minutes. I walked the same approximate
>>distance and it only took about a minute. I think the time estimate she
>>should have said would be approximately two minutes.
>>Her seeing a man in the SE 6th floor corner window set when she did means
>>the man who shot Oswald's rifle from there was not Oswald. Her hearing two
>>shots after she saw JFK slump means (for those who have studied the facts)
>>there were a minimum of four shots and two shooters.
> So you admit she was wrong about the time?
> If she was wrong about the time, it could have been Oswald.
> If she was wrong about the time, it could have been a cop (cops
> arrived there about 1:00 p.m.).
> Do you think a conspirator would have hung about for 4 1/2 or 5
> minutes?
My investigation shows me that Oswald did the following that day.
Oswald came to work with his rifle enclosed in a paper bag and a cheese sandwich in one pocket of his jacket. He had an apple in the other jacket pocket. He put his rifle in a closet near the back door like he was told. He put his jacket in the window ledge in the Domino room. Later after working and seeing Charles Givens on the sixth floor he came down to the first floor Domino room and ate his cheese sandwich.
While standing in the doorway of the Domino room about 12:23 pm he saw Junior Jarman and Harold Norman come in the back door and go to the western elevator which put their backs to Oswald. They went up in the elevator to the fifth floor. Oswald finished his sandwich then got his apple. At this time Oswald heard sirens out front and he headed to the front door.
The ambulance was picking up a man who had a seizure. Oswald stood behind Lovelady and his boss, Bill Shelley on the top landing as shots were fired. Lovelady and Shelley left and went to the island across the street. Oswald is seen in a film in the shadows at the front door.
Oswald goes back inside right behind DPD Baker and TSBD Truly. Oswald goes up the front staircase to the second floor to go get a coke.
I should also say that Oswald stopped at the second floor lunchroom to read newspapers before going to the first floor lunchroom to get his lunch. He was seen in the second floor lunchroom at 12:15 pm by Carolyn Arnold. This was the same time that Arnold Rowland saw a man in the sixth floor western window holding a rifle from his position on the street below.
