did james tague shoot president ?

[brian filley]

i know this is a long shot ( so to speak lol ), but, to the best of my
knowledge, this guy is the only person documented as having been down
on the street pretty much straight in front of the on-coming
motorcade...after watching the zapruder film, it's clear to me that
kennedy was not only shot from the front, but also was shot from a
very close trajectory in front of him...in the z.film, kennedy's head
is "rocked" back so fast and violently that it's incredible that it
managed to stay on at all...'all' the doctors at parkland hospital in
dallas confirmed that there was a massive exit-wound in the back of
kennedy's head...now, if true, who could have done this ? obviously,
a police-man behind the fence on the knoll would pretty much have just
shot him on the right side of head, probably blowing the president's
right ear off...again, to my knowledge, there is/was no evidence of
dammage to the right ear at all...perhaps someone in a sewer-drain ?
sounds implausible to me...the driver ? no way...the 'only' plausible
scenario, i.m.o. for the massive head wound would be someone down on
street level with motorcade coming straight at him from approx. 120
ft...again, the head shot, based on the z.film, had to be not only
from the front, but also from a fairly close trajectory...is 120 ft.
"fairly close" ? has anyone even taken this into possible
consideration ? again, to best of my knowledge, tague is only
documented person directly in front of and on street level ( and at a
fairly close range, i.m.o...) when head shot is taken...even warren
commission documents where tague was--in front ; at street level ; at
fairly close distance ( again, i.m.o...)

[bigdog]

On Mar 5, 8:51 am, brian filley <davidt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> i know this is a long shot ( so to speak lol ),

You think?

> but, to the best of my
> knowledge, this guy is the only person documented as having been down
> on the street pretty much straight in front of the on-coming
> motorcade...after watching the zapruder film, it's clear to me that
> kennedy was not only shot from the front, but also was shot from a
> very close trajectory in front of him...

Start with a false premise and you are sure to finish with a false
conclusion.

> in the z.film, kennedy's head
> is "rocked" back so fast and violently that it's incredible that it
> managed to stay on at all...

Do you think he was a Mr. Potatohead?

> 'all' the doctors at parkland hospital in
> dallas confirmed that there was a massive exit-wound in the back of
> kennedy's head...

You seem to have a firm grasp of all the popular myths.

> now, if true, who could have done this ?  obviously,
> a police-man behind the fence on the knoll would pretty much have just
> shot him on the right side of head, probably blowing the president's
> right ear off...again, to my knowledge, there is/was no evidence of
> dammage to the right ear at all...perhaps someone in a sewer-drain ?
> sounds implausible to me...the driver ?  no way...the 'only' plausible
> scenario, i.m.o. for the massive head wound would be someone down on
> street level with motorcade coming straight at him from approx. 120
> ft...

I'm sure others will pile on with reasons this is ridiculous, so I'll
pass on it for now.

> again, the head shot, based on the z.film, had to be not only
> from the front, but also from a fairly close trajectory...is 120 ft.
> "fairly close" ?  has anyone even taken this into possible
> consideration ?  again, to best of my knowledge, tague is only
> documented person directly in front of and on street level ( and at a
> fairly close range, i.m.o...) when head shot is taken...even warren
> commission documents where tague was--in front ; at street level ; at
> fairly close distance ( again, i.m.o...)

Having exhausted all the silly and ridiculous alternatives to the truth,
it was only a matter of time before somebody came up with something this
goofy. For 48 years, CTs have been trying to put the shooter everywhere
except where he acually was. In order to come up with something original,
one would have to come up with something completely over the top, as you
have demonstrated here.

[claviger]

Brian,

> i know this is a long shot ( so to speak lol ), but, to the best of my
> knowledge, this guy is the only person documented as having been down
> on the street pretty much straight in front of the on-coming
> motorcade...after watching the zapruder film, it's clear to me that
> kennedy was not only shot from the front, but also was shot from a
> very close trajectory in front of him...in the z.film, kennedy's head
> is "rocked" back so fast and violently that it's incredible that it
> managed to stay on at all...

The Zapruder film proves the head moves forward first then snaps backward.

> 'all' the doctors at parkland hospital in
> dallas confirmed that there was a massive exit-wound in the back of
> kennedy's head...

That is an inaccurate factoid. Not all the doctors describe a massive
exit wound in the back of the head. Some doctors describe exactly what we
see in the Zapruder film. Part of the problem is what does "back of the
head" mean? President Kennedy was lying in the "anatomical position" on
the operating table. That is a medical term for lying flat on his back so
the ER team could operate on his throat. They would raise his chin enough
to perform the tracheotomy. That means the back of the head is against the
table. The only part of the head visible would be the top of the head,
not the back. If everyone in ER could see the wound during the emergency
procedures, to be that obvious the wound must be on the top part of the
skull, which is exactly what we see in the Zapruder film.

[Ace Kefford]

On Mar 5, 8:51 am, brian filley <davidt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Your theory does not persuade me one bit, but as long as you are
thinking along those lines, how about this one? A shot from the truck
you see on one of the streets down near the overpass!

Background: A Dallas-area researcher might have been Penn Jones Jr.
himself) pointed out to Robert Cutler a possible missed shot scar on
the Elm Street sidewalk that pointed toward the direction of the
grassy knoll SOUTH. In looking for a possible source of this "shot"
Cutler considered the truck. He didn't like the grassy knoll SOUTH
because there was no fence there, but eventually tentatively included
a miss, possibly from an assassin shooting from under one of the cars
on the south knoll. Later he rejected the shot, deciding that the
"bullet" mark on the sidewalk was probably just a defect (for example,
from a twig that had been in the concrete mix as it hardened.

[Anthony Marsh]

Don't you at lease appreciate his trick of trying to appear reasonable
by throwing out all those other kook theories?

[Anthony Marsh]

In your theory did Tague then shoot himself to deflect suspicion?

[bigdog]

It is amazing how desperate some people are to place place a shooter
anywhere in DP except the one place it makes sense. A few days ago on the
nuthouse, a CT who shall remain nameless proposed that E; Howard Hunt
fired the head shot from the boxcar where the tramps where found. When I
pointed out that there was no line of sight to the point on Elm St, where
the head shot occurred, he tried to move the boxcar to the overpass,
unaware that pictures from both sides of the overpass shows no rail
traffic there. Unwilling to give up, he offered the shot might have come
from a moving train, apparently forgetting his original proposal was that
Hunit had fired the shot from the boxcar parked in the train yard, not to
mention the problem of having the moving freight train arriving at the
same time the limo was passing through DP. Life would become much simpler
for these folks if they would just accept the fact the shots were fired
from the spot where the shells were found which is the same place
witnesses placed the gunman. But some people just don't want simple
answers, so they reach for the bizarre.

[Ace Kefford]

> Don't you at lease appreciate his trick of trying to appear reasonable
> by throwing out all those other kook theories?
>

Answer: yes.

[markusp]

On Monday, March 5, 2012 7:51:07 AM UTC-6, brian filley wrote:
> i know this is a long shot ( so to speak lol ), but, to the best of my
> knowledge, this guy is the only person documented as having been down
> on the street pretty much straight in front of the on-coming
> motorcade

There were others on the south side of Elm Street, and on top of the RR overpass.

...after watching the zapruder film, it's clear to me that
> kennedy was not only shot from the front, but also was shot from a
> very close trajectory in front of him

Your interpretation shows you that it's clear. You may wish to temper that conclusion somewhat by ascertaining precisely which Zapruder frame numbers show it.

...in the z.film, kennedy's head
> is "rocked" back so fast and violently that it's incredible that it
> managed to stay on at all

I've shot deer in the head that disrupted the brain significantly, and seen the "tremors" or death throes. JFK's head and upper torso movements seen at Z313+ can be explained by one shot from above and behind, followed nearly immediately by spasms induced by brain disruption. There is a strong possibility that when his brain became damaged, his muscles tensed rigidly. I've also seen the same effect when I pithed a frog in Biology in junior high school. Pithing simply mushes the brain causing the limbs to splay outward.

I'm not refuting your frontal shot at all, however. The arguments for a Grassy Knoll shooter firing at nearly the exact moment of another shot from rearward stems first from the same observation you've made, but bolstered with acoustic evidence from the dictabelt recording, and discrepancies between the autopsy images, X-rays, and oral testimony/affadavits.

Do you see any other points in the film(s) that would lead you to conclude a shot from the front?

...'all' the doctors at parkland hospital in
> dallas confirmed that there was a massive exit-wound in the back of
> kennedy's head...now, if true, who could have done this ?

Claviger pointed out that not all of the PH physicians examined the BOH, and that's quite correct. However, Kemp Clark did examine it, and showed it to a few select others that were in TR1 at the time. As a neurosurgeon, he decided that the head wound was indeed fatal.

obviously,
> a police-man behind the fence on the knoll would pretty much have just
> shot him on the right side of head, probably blowing the president's
> right ear off.

There will be times when evidence is presented to you that will collide with what you expected to discover. Why would JFK's right ear be blown off from a shot from the GK? Should the exit point be on the left side of his head? Also recall that Jackie was on the left side of his head.

..again, to my knowledge, there is/was no evidence of
> dammage to the right ear at all...perhaps someone in a sewer-drain ?

IMO, you can disregard the sewer drain theory. A shooter there would surely have been noticed.

> sounds implausible to me...the driver ?

You not only CAN disregard that theory, you MUST disregard it.

no way...the 'only' plausible
> scenario, i.m.o. for the massive head wound would be someone down on
> street level with motorcade coming straight at him from approx. 120
> ft.

How did you arrive at the 120-feet determination? Surely a shot from above and behind seems plausible.

..again, the head shot, based on the z.film, had to be not only
> from the front, but also from a fairly close trajectory...is 120 ft.
> "fairly close" ?

Yes, it's close, but it's purely speculative, unless you can allow us to verify your math.

has anyone even taken this into possible
> consideration ? again, to best of my knowledge, tague is only
> documented person directly in front of and on street level ( and at a
> fairly close range, i.m.o...)

If we pretend that Tague is a possible shooter, he would have had to stand and make the shot. We have visual evidence of him standing, and it appears that he is not holding a weapon. That shot would have to be quite accurate also.

when head shot is taken...even warren
> commission documents where tague was--in front ; at street level ; at
> fairly close distance ( again, i.m.o...)

You're entitled to hold that opinion, and research it. I've had people view the Z-film and assert that Jackie shot him! Wow! If it sounds absurd, it probably is.
~Mark

[Anthony Marsh]

Why do you go out of your way to ignore the scientific evidence? The
acoustical evidence proves that three shots were fired from the sniper's
nest. But somehow that doesn't fit into your agenda so you reject it
because it is scientific evidence.

[Canuck]

I make reference to the truck in my article "The Allegations of Cecil
Small" available at
http://www.kenrahn.com/jfk/the_critics/Whitmey/Small.html, an intriguing
story, which came to my attention when someone sent me a newspaper article
about it, from New Orleans (although the article was from a North Carolina
newspaper, where the story originated). Whoever mailed it to me didn't
identify himself or herself. - prwhitmey

[Anthony Marsh]

On 3/6/2012 7:42 PM, markusp wrote:
> On Monday, March 5, 2012 7:51:07 AM UTC-6, brian filley wrote:
>> i know this is a long shot ( so to speak lol ), but, to the best of my
>> knowledge, this guy is the only person documented as having been down
>> on the street pretty much straight in front of the on-coming
>> motorcade
>
> There were others on the south side of Elm Street, and on top of the RR overpass.
>
> ...after watching the zapruder film, it's clear to me that
>> kennedy was not only shot from the front, but also was shot from a
>> very close trajectory in front of him
>
> Your interpretation shows you that it's clear. You may wish to temper that conclusion somewhat by ascertaining precisely which Zapruder frame numbers show it.
>
> ...in the z.film, kennedy's head
>> is "rocked" back so fast and violently that it's incredible that it
>> managed to stay on at all
>
> I've shot deer in the head that disrupted the brain significantly, and seen the "tremors" or death throes. JFK's head and upper torso movements seen at Z313+ can be explained by one shot from above and behind, followed nearly immediately by spasms induced by brain disruption. There is a strong possibility that when his brain became damaged, his muscles tensed rigidly. I've also seen the same effect when I pithed a frog in Biology in junior high school. Pithing simply mushes the brain causing the limbs to splay outward.
>
> I'm not refuting your frontal shot at all, however. The arguments for a Grassy Knoll shooter firing at nearly the exact moment of another shot from rearward stems first from the same observation you've made, but bolstered with acoustic evidence from the dictabelt recording, and discrepancies between the autopsy images, X-rays, and oral testimony/affadavits.
>
> Do you see any other points in the film(s) that would lead you to conclude a shot from the front?
>

IMHO the HSCA's jiggle analysis fits better when the grassy knoll shot
is the head shot.

[claviger]

Anthony,

> Why do you go out of your way to ignore the scientific evidence? The
> acoustical evidence proves that three shots were fired from the sniper's
> nest. But somehow that doesn't fit into your agenda so you reject it
> because it is scientific evidence.

The National Academy of Sciences (NAS), a member of the International
Council for Science (ICSU), validates bigdog's opinion of the so- called
acoustic evidence. The NAS rejected the dictabelt evidence as unreliable.
That is a nice way of saying bogus. Dale Myers put another nail in the
coffin by proving DPD McLain was not in position to make the acoustic
evidence work. That alone invalidates the dictabelt theory.

[Anthony Marsh]

In the first place I refuted the NAS study. In the second place Dale
Myers lied about the McLain position.