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flex...@gmail.com
May 16, 2013, 6:05:50 PM5/16/13
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On the OIC-page you have this impressive description between two pictures
that you claim not to be the same person (Lovelady:
"For ease in communication, we'll refer to the softer-looking Lovelady on
the left as FBI Lovelady and the harder-looking Lovelady on the right as
Gorilla Lovelady. Here are five key differences between them:
1) Gorilla Lovelady's head (right) is wider from front to back than is FBI
Lovelady's (left). The ratio of the width of their heads to the height of
their heads appears strikingly different.
(2) The slope of FBI Lovelady's forehead is more vertical, and the angle
of his forehead with the top of his head is more rectangular. On Gorilla
Lovelady, there is no angle at all, rather there is just a long extended
slope, like a ski slope, which reminds us of a Neanderthal caveman. And I
won't deny that that's why we call him Gorilla Man.
(3) FBI Lovelady has a long nose, while Gorilla Lovelady has a shorter,
stubbier nose, and you just have to glance back and forth to see it.
(4) Their hairlines are different. FBI Lovelady's hairline at the temple
seems to go straight up whereas Gorilla Lovelady's hairline angles back
more.
(5) Their ears are very different, with FBI Lovelady's on the left being
longer and narrower and more tapered at the bottom. Gorilla Man has a much
more compact ear. It is known in forensics that ears are as distinctive
and unique as fingerprints."
While I strongly disagree with the above, let's see if you can sort out
how many persons there are in these six photographs:
http://bit.ly/10uKs8o
http://bit.ly/14tgEJs
No setup here, just six unedited photographs. Dare to take the bait,
Ralph?
Considering your list of arguments above, this shouldn't be much of a
problem?
How many persons are we looking at? (I'd appreciate it if you would
describe the reasons for your conclusions the same way as above)
that you claim not to be the same person (Lovelady:
"For ease in communication, we'll refer to the softer-looking Lovelady on
the left as FBI Lovelady and the harder-looking Lovelady on the right as
Gorilla Lovelady. Here are five key differences between them:
1) Gorilla Lovelady's head (right) is wider from front to back than is FBI
Lovelady's (left). The ratio of the width of their heads to the height of
their heads appears strikingly different.
(2) The slope of FBI Lovelady's forehead is more vertical, and the angle
of his forehead with the top of his head is more rectangular. On Gorilla
Lovelady, there is no angle at all, rather there is just a long extended
slope, like a ski slope, which reminds us of a Neanderthal caveman. And I
won't deny that that's why we call him Gorilla Man.
(3) FBI Lovelady has a long nose, while Gorilla Lovelady has a shorter,
stubbier nose, and you just have to glance back and forth to see it.
(4) Their hairlines are different. FBI Lovelady's hairline at the temple
seems to go straight up whereas Gorilla Lovelady's hairline angles back
more.
(5) Their ears are very different, with FBI Lovelady's on the left being
longer and narrower and more tapered at the bottom. Gorilla Man has a much
more compact ear. It is known in forensics that ears are as distinctive
and unique as fingerprints."
While I strongly disagree with the above, let's see if you can sort out
how many persons there are in these six photographs:
http://bit.ly/10uKs8o
http://bit.ly/14tgEJs
No setup here, just six unedited photographs. Dare to take the bait,
Ralph?
Considering your list of arguments above, this shouldn't be much of a
problem?
How many persons are we looking at? (I'd appreciate it if you would
describe the reasons for your conclusions the same way as above)
Jason Burke
May 16, 2013, 11:06:08 PM5/16/13
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different people.
Glenn V.
May 17, 2013, 2:00:33 PM5/17/13
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On Friday, May 17, 2013 5:06:08 AM UTC+2, Jason Burke wrote:
Hehe...Yeah, well, I'll put my money on Cinque bailing out entirely..
Chuck Schuyler
May 17, 2013, 4:10:16 PM5/17/13
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>
> No setup here, just six unedited photographs. Dare to take the bait,
> Ralph?
>
> Considering your list of arguments above, this shouldn't be much of a
> problem?
>
> How many persons are we looking at? (I'd appreciate it if you would
> describe the reasons for your conclusions the same way as above)
I believe you just gave Ralph six more suspects in the assassination
> No setup here, just six unedited photographs. Dare to take the bait,
> Ralph?
>
> Considering your list of arguments above, this shouldn't be much of a
> problem?
>
> How many persons are we looking at? (I'd appreciate it if you would
> describe the reasons for your conclusions the same way as above)
of JFK. Get busy Ralph!
Ralph Cinque
May 17, 2013, 9:10:04 PM5/17/13
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Forget it. This isn't a game. It isn't a puzzle. I know very well they are
all the same guy with different lighting etc. But the differences between
FBI Lovelady and Gorilla Man are concrete, anatomical differences that
can't be rationalized by lighting or angle differences. Everything I said
above stands, and it's rock-solid; they could not possibly have been the
same man.
all the same guy with different lighting etc. But the differences between
FBI Lovelady and Gorilla Man are concrete, anatomical differences that
can't be rationalized by lighting or angle differences. Everything I said
above stands, and it's rock-solid; they could not possibly have been the
same man.
Ralph Cinque
May 17, 2013, 9:19:19 PM5/17/13
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The Ops strike back! On McAdams' forum, one of them started a thread about
me, ridiculing our claim that Martin Lovelady and FBI Lovelady could not
possibly be the same person because of the obvious anatomical differences.
So, they posted this collage of the same man in different lighting which
shows slight variations.
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/4619/lalagesnowwearethenotde.jpg
And here's another similar to it:
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4619/lalagesnowwearethenotde.jpg
There is nothing inexplicable in any of those comparisons. In the top
collage, the man obviously changed his expression. He has his eyes tensed
up in the middle panel, and he also changed his hair. The lighting is also
different. He has a more serious, tensed look in the middle panel. The
outer panels are close to being the same, but not quite. But, we can tell
it's the same guy.
With the black man, similarly, he has his eyes tensed up in the middle
panel. He has also has a mustache, which the other two lack. His hair is
black instead of brown, at least in the picture. On the left, he has his
head cocked back; it's more forward on the right. Etc. etc., but these
subtle differences mean nothing. We're not fooled. We can tell it's the
same guy.
But between FBI Lovelady and Martin Lovelady, the anatomical differences
are stark. Here is how we have it written up on the OIC Lovelady page:
http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/1378/collage20149.jpg
These two men cannot possibly be the same man. The shapes of their skulls
are vastly different. Many of their facial features are different. Their
necks are totally different. One looks like a gorilla, while the other
does not. They are clearly different men. So what do they have in common?
A similar pattern of hair loss, but even that isn't identical. Nothing
else about them is even remotely close, never mind identical.
For ease in communication, we'll refer to the softer-looking Lovelady on
the left as FBI Lovelady and the harder-looking Lovelady on the right as
Martin Lovelady, since he is supposed to be from the Martin film. We don't
think he was from the Martin film, but we'll put that aside for now. Here
(3) FBI Lovelady has a long nose, while Martin Lovelady has a shorter,
out even more at Dr. Cinque because of his background as a chiropractor:
their necks. Martin Lovelady has a condition known as FORWARD NECK
SYNDROME. Any orthopedist or chiropractor can see it at a glance. Instead
of going up, his neck is going forward.
FBI Lovelady has a much more vertical neck. The basic, fundamental
direction that it is going is UP. But on Martin Lovelady, his neck is
going as much FORWARD as it is up, which has the effect of shortening his
neck. And that is something we can measure. Take a ruler and measure the
length of the visible neck on each of them, going from the bottom of the
ear to wherever the vertical line reaches the shirt. You'll find that FBI
Lovelady has about 50% more length to his neck.
Next, drop a plumb line on each of them. And the way to do that is to take
a ruler and place it right behind the ear, and holding it vertically,
track it down and see where it goes. With good posture, the ear should not
be too much in front of the sagittal plane of the shoulder, and FBI
Lovelady is doing quite well in that respect. His alignment isn't bad. But
Martin Lovelady's ear is much farther forward than that; his plumb line is
well forward of his shoulder. He is really quite contorted, and he seems
headed for pain.
In having his neck forward like that, he has to do something to maintain
his eyes level, that is, parallel with the ground, and what he's doing is
cocking his head back sharply at the very top of his neck. If you were to
see it on an x-ray, it would jump out at you that he is pinching his head
back. So, his neck is going forward, and at the very top of his neck, his
head is rocking back on his neck. And that is like putting a heavy weight
on a spring, compressing it. It puts pressure on all the cervical joints,
and over time, they wear out from it. The compressed cervical discs thin
out until they are practically gone. Over time, cervical disc herniations
are likely to occur with this kind of posture.
Here's another way you can tell the difference: look at the axis of FBI
Lovelady's ear. It's pretty much vertical: straight up and down. Not
perfectly vertical, but close. But, on Martin Lovelady, his ear is rocked
back more. It's got more pitch to it. The line of greatest length through
the ear is more diagonal, with the upper part back and the lower part
forward. Again, it's rocked back, and the reason it's rocked back is
because the whole head is rocked back. This is a very rigid, locked,
dysfunctional posture that compromises mobility, flexibility, and
coordination.
Ralph says that, as a chiropractor, it is a pleasure for him to look at
FBI Lovelady because he has such nice lengthening in his neck, and that
translates into freedom of motion, lightness of being, and a generally
expansive state of the body, which is desirable. But, it's very
disconcerting for him to look at Martin Lovelady because he looks solid,
rigid, steeped in stiffness, and destined for pain.
Is there any chance that Lovelady was just standing and comporting himself
differently on those two days? No. There is absolutely no chance of that.
Postural habits are deeply ingrained. They are the MOST deeply ingrained
of all the habits people have. And it's extremely hard to break them- even
if you try, and there is no reason to think that Lovelady was trying.
And the reason that it's so hard to change them is because your habitual
way of carrying yourself is the only thing you know; it's the only thing
that feels right to you; anything else would feel out of balance and
terribly wrong, like you were going to fall. It's like your own little
world that you are living in, with your own personal way of responding to
gravity and other forces- and it's the only one you can conceive of.
Having been a chiropractor for 36 years, Ralph observes that this one
factor of the FORWARD NECK SYNDROME on Martin Lovelady and its absence on
FBI Lovelady completely eliminates any possibility that they were one and
the same man. It settles it as much as different dental x-rays. It is not
just a different position that TSBD Lovelady is assuming; he is
anatomically different. He could not make his neck look like FBI
Lovelady's no matter what he did; it's impossible.
Martin Lovelady was an imposter. He was not Lovelady, and he was not
Doorman either. And now, we shall compare him to Doorman:
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/6923/collage562.jpg
First, Doorman's shirt is sprawled open, and Lovelady's shirt is not. This
was supposed to be just a scant few minutes after the assassination and
essentially in the same place- outside the TSBD. Are we to assume that
Lovelady had the frame of mind to re-configure himself in the immediate
aftermath of the assassination? And if so, don't you think that somebody
should have asked him about it? Nobody did.
Second, doesn't the man on the right look quite a bit stockier? Don't you
have the sense that he is quite a bit heavier? We never had that sense
when comparing Doorman to Oswald, where they always seemed to be the same
size and the same build.
Third, when you compare the shirt patterns, both look "varied" and
"complex" but they are certainly not identical. This isn't horseshoes or
hand grenades, so close doesn't count. Furthermore, we now know that the
splotchyness of Doorman's shirt is due to haze and distortion. That's all
it is. Without that, his shirt just looks grainy. And notice that Lovelady
has pattern all the way up to and including his collar. Now look at
Doorman's upper right side (on our left). Doesn't it just look bland and
grainy, like Oswald's? In no version of the Altgens photo does Doorman's
shirt look checkered.
Fourth, look at the left side of Doorman's shirt on our right, the margin
of it. Doesn't it look thicker and more substantial than the flimsy margin
on the other side? Doesn't it look about twice as thick? It was twice as
thick, as it was folded over into a long lapel on that side. But now look
at Martin Lovelady. Do you see a lapel on him? Isn't it just a regular
shirt with a regular collar and the standard lay? Doesn't Doorman's shirt
look more like what we saw on Oswald?
Fifth, doesn't Doorman's face have a rather soft look, whereas Gorilla
Lovelady's has a very hard look? Granted, those are subjective qualities,
but still, they are discernible. The guy on the right looks like a
caveman; the guy on the left does not. Both visually in terms of
specifics, and intuitively in terms of the general impression, these two
look like different men.
This attempt to discredit our work is childish, immature, and downright
infantile. And it only goes to show how desperate the other side is that
they would resort to such hapless and ineffectual retaliations. It is
over, Ops! Stop the lies! Oswald outside!
me, ridiculing our claim that Martin Lovelady and FBI Lovelady could not
possibly be the same person because of the obvious anatomical differences.
So, they posted this collage of the same man in different lighting which
shows slight variations.
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/4619/lalagesnowwearethenotde.jpg
And here's another similar to it:
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4619/lalagesnowwearethenotde.jpg
There is nothing inexplicable in any of those comparisons. In the top
collage, the man obviously changed his expression. He has his eyes tensed
up in the middle panel, and he also changed his hair. The lighting is also
different. He has a more serious, tensed look in the middle panel. The
outer panels are close to being the same, but not quite. But, we can tell
it's the same guy.
With the black man, similarly, he has his eyes tensed up in the middle
panel. He has also has a mustache, which the other two lack. His hair is
black instead of brown, at least in the picture. On the left, he has his
head cocked back; it's more forward on the right. Etc. etc., but these
subtle differences mean nothing. We're not fooled. We can tell it's the
same guy.
But between FBI Lovelady and Martin Lovelady, the anatomical differences
are stark. Here is how we have it written up on the OIC Lovelady page:
http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/1378/collage20149.jpg
These two men cannot possibly be the same man. The shapes of their skulls
are vastly different. Many of their facial features are different. Their
necks are totally different. One looks like a gorilla, while the other
does not. They are clearly different men. So what do they have in common?
A similar pattern of hair loss, but even that isn't identical. Nothing
else about them is even remotely close, never mind identical.
For ease in communication, we'll refer to the softer-looking Lovelady on
the left as FBI Lovelady and the harder-looking Lovelady on the right as
think he was from the Martin film, but we'll put that aside for now. Here
are five key differences between them:
(1) Martin Lovelady's head (right) is wider from front to back than is FBI
Lovelady's (left). The ratio of the width of their heads to the height of
their heads appears strikingly different.
(2) The slope of FBI Lovelady's forehead is more vertical, and the angle
of his forehead with the top of his head is more rectangular. On Martin
their heads appears strikingly different.
(2) The slope of FBI Lovelady's forehead is more vertical, and the angle
Lovelady, there is no angle at all, rather there is just a long extended
slope, like a ski slope, which reminds us of a Neanderthal caveman. And I
won't deny that that's why we also call him Gorilla Man.
slope, like a ski slope, which reminds us of a Neanderthal caveman. And I
(3) FBI Lovelady has a long nose, while Martin Lovelady has a shorter,
stubbier nose, and you just have to glance back and forth to see it.
(4) Their hairlines are different. FBI Lovelady's hairline at the temple
seems to go straight up whereas Martin Lovelady's hairline angles back
(4) Their hairlines are different. FBI Lovelady's hairline at the temple
more.
(5) Their ears are very different, with FBI Lovelady's on the left being
longer and narrower and more tapered at the bottom. Martin Lovelady has a
(5) Their ears are very different, with FBI Lovelady's on the left being
much more compact ear. It is known in forensics that ears are as
distinctive and unique as fingerprints.
But there is yet another difference between the two of them which jumps
distinctive and unique as fingerprints.
out even more at Dr. Cinque because of his background as a chiropractor:
their necks. Martin Lovelady has a condition known as FORWARD NECK
SYNDROME. Any orthopedist or chiropractor can see it at a glance. Instead
of going up, his neck is going forward.
FBI Lovelady has a much more vertical neck. The basic, fundamental
direction that it is going is UP. But on Martin Lovelady, his neck is
going as much FORWARD as it is up, which has the effect of shortening his
neck. And that is something we can measure. Take a ruler and measure the
length of the visible neck on each of them, going from the bottom of the
ear to wherever the vertical line reaches the shirt. You'll find that FBI
Lovelady has about 50% more length to his neck.
Next, drop a plumb line on each of them. And the way to do that is to take
a ruler and place it right behind the ear, and holding it vertically,
track it down and see where it goes. With good posture, the ear should not
be too much in front of the sagittal plane of the shoulder, and FBI
Lovelady is doing quite well in that respect. His alignment isn't bad. But
Martin Lovelady's ear is much farther forward than that; his plumb line is
well forward of his shoulder. He is really quite contorted, and he seems
headed for pain.
In having his neck forward like that, he has to do something to maintain
his eyes level, that is, parallel with the ground, and what he's doing is
cocking his head back sharply at the very top of his neck. If you were to
see it on an x-ray, it would jump out at you that he is pinching his head
back. So, his neck is going forward, and at the very top of his neck, his
head is rocking back on his neck. And that is like putting a heavy weight
on a spring, compressing it. It puts pressure on all the cervical joints,
and over time, they wear out from it. The compressed cervical discs thin
out until they are practically gone. Over time, cervical disc herniations
are likely to occur with this kind of posture.
Here's another way you can tell the difference: look at the axis of FBI
Lovelady's ear. It's pretty much vertical: straight up and down. Not
perfectly vertical, but close. But, on Martin Lovelady, his ear is rocked
back more. It's got more pitch to it. The line of greatest length through
the ear is more diagonal, with the upper part back and the lower part
forward. Again, it's rocked back, and the reason it's rocked back is
because the whole head is rocked back. This is a very rigid, locked,
dysfunctional posture that compromises mobility, flexibility, and
coordination.
Ralph says that, as a chiropractor, it is a pleasure for him to look at
FBI Lovelady because he has such nice lengthening in his neck, and that
translates into freedom of motion, lightness of being, and a generally
expansive state of the body, which is desirable. But, it's very
disconcerting for him to look at Martin Lovelady because he looks solid,
rigid, steeped in stiffness, and destined for pain.
Is there any chance that Lovelady was just standing and comporting himself
differently on those two days? No. There is absolutely no chance of that.
Postural habits are deeply ingrained. They are the MOST deeply ingrained
of all the habits people have. And it's extremely hard to break them- even
if you try, and there is no reason to think that Lovelady was trying.
And the reason that it's so hard to change them is because your habitual
way of carrying yourself is the only thing you know; it's the only thing
that feels right to you; anything else would feel out of balance and
terribly wrong, like you were going to fall. It's like your own little
world that you are living in, with your own personal way of responding to
gravity and other forces- and it's the only one you can conceive of.
Having been a chiropractor for 36 years, Ralph observes that this one
factor of the FORWARD NECK SYNDROME on Martin Lovelady and its absence on
FBI Lovelady completely eliminates any possibility that they were one and
the same man. It settles it as much as different dental x-rays. It is not
just a different position that TSBD Lovelady is assuming; he is
anatomically different. He could not make his neck look like FBI
Lovelady's no matter what he did; it's impossible.
Martin Lovelady was an imposter. He was not Lovelady, and he was not
Doorman either. And now, we shall compare him to Doorman:
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/6923/collage562.jpg
First, Doorman's shirt is sprawled open, and Lovelady's shirt is not. This
was supposed to be just a scant few minutes after the assassination and
essentially in the same place- outside the TSBD. Are we to assume that
Lovelady had the frame of mind to re-configure himself in the immediate
aftermath of the assassination? And if so, don't you think that somebody
should have asked him about it? Nobody did.
Second, doesn't the man on the right look quite a bit stockier? Don't you
have the sense that he is quite a bit heavier? We never had that sense
when comparing Doorman to Oswald, where they always seemed to be the same
size and the same build.
Third, when you compare the shirt patterns, both look "varied" and
"complex" but they are certainly not identical. This isn't horseshoes or
hand grenades, so close doesn't count. Furthermore, we now know that the
splotchyness of Doorman's shirt is due to haze and distortion. That's all
it is. Without that, his shirt just looks grainy. And notice that Lovelady
has pattern all the way up to and including his collar. Now look at
Doorman's upper right side (on our left). Doesn't it just look bland and
grainy, like Oswald's? In no version of the Altgens photo does Doorman's
shirt look checkered.
Fourth, look at the left side of Doorman's shirt on our right, the margin
of it. Doesn't it look thicker and more substantial than the flimsy margin
on the other side? Doesn't it look about twice as thick? It was twice as
thick, as it was folded over into a long lapel on that side. But now look
at Martin Lovelady. Do you see a lapel on him? Isn't it just a regular
shirt with a regular collar and the standard lay? Doesn't Doorman's shirt
look more like what we saw on Oswald?
Fifth, doesn't Doorman's face have a rather soft look, whereas Gorilla
Lovelady's has a very hard look? Granted, those are subjective qualities,
but still, they are discernible. The guy on the right looks like a
caveman; the guy on the left does not. Both visually in terms of
specifics, and intuitively in terms of the general impression, these two
look like different men.
This attempt to discredit our work is childish, immature, and downright
infantile. And it only goes to show how desperate the other side is that
they would resort to such hapless and ineffectual retaliations. It is
over, Ops! Stop the lies! Oswald outside!
John Fiorentino
May 17, 2013, 9:24:09 PM5/17/13
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And Cinque holds a valid professional license?
Holy Cow Batman!!
John F.
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Holy Cow Batman!!
John F.
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Glenn V.
May 19, 2013, 2:58:27 PM5/19/13
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However, you fantasies still got the better of you; see, you are allowed
to adress me as "Glenn" or "Mr Viklund", or such. Nobody ever refers to me
as "they" or "the ops" and neither should you.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/12/we-are-the-not-dead-soldiers-on-afghan-mission/
Ralph Cinque
May 19, 2013, 5:57:43 PM5/19/13
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My fantasies didn't get the better of me at all. The pictures, it turns
out were spontaneous, but my analysis of the differences seen is still
valid, with the increased tension, the pinching of the brow, etc. The
point is that you can still tell that it's the same person in each case
despite the differences. None of the differences rule out their being the
same. But what we see between FBI Lovelady and Martin Lovelady are worlds
apart; they cannot be the same man.
http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/1715/collage37.jpg
You can't talk your way around this, Viklund. It's over for you and yours.
And there is more going on behind the scenes than I can relate at this
time. Let's just say that this is war, and we are fighting it earnestly
and seriously, and we are not slowing down. Get used to disappointment
because more is coming. Things are going to get decidedly worse- for your
side.
out were spontaneous, but my analysis of the differences seen is still
valid, with the increased tension, the pinching of the brow, etc. The
point is that you can still tell that it's the same person in each case
despite the differences. None of the differences rule out their being the
same. But what we see between FBI Lovelady and Martin Lovelady are worlds
apart; they cannot be the same man.
http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/1715/collage37.jpg
You can't talk your way around this, Viklund. It's over for you and yours.
And there is more going on behind the scenes than I can relate at this
time. Let's just say that this is war, and we are fighting it earnestly
and seriously, and we are not slowing down. Get used to disappointment
because more is coming. Things are going to get decidedly worse- for your
side.
Glenn V.
May 19, 2013, 9:14:11 PM5/19/13
to
On Sunday, May 19, 2013 11:57:43 PM UTC+2, Ralph Cinque wrote:
> My fantasies didn't get the better of me at all. The pictures, it turns
>
> out were spontaneous, but my analysis of the differences seen is still
>
> valid, with the increased tension, the pinching of the brow, etc. The
>
> point is that you can still tell that it's the same person in each case
>
> despite the differences. None of the differences rule out their being the
>
> same. But what we see between FBI Lovelady and Martin Lovelady are worlds
>
> apart; they cannot be the same man.
>
>
>
> http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/1715/collage37.jpg
>
>
>
> You can't talk your way around this, Viklund. It's over for you and yours.
>
> And there is more going on behind the scenes than I can relate at this
>
> time. Let's just say that this is war, and we are fighting it earnestly
Oh, I wouldn't worry to much about your war. Judging by the number of
> My fantasies didn't get the better of me at all. The pictures, it turns
>
> out were spontaneous, but my analysis of the differences seen is still
>
> valid, with the increased tension, the pinching of the brow, etc. The
>
> point is that you can still tell that it's the same person in each case
>
> despite the differences. None of the differences rule out their being the
>
> same. But what we see between FBI Lovelady and Martin Lovelady are worlds
>
> apart; they cannot be the same man.
>
>
>
> http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/1715/collage37.jpg
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> You can't talk your way around this, Viklund. It's over for you and yours.
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> And there is more going on behind the scenes than I can relate at this
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> time. Let's just say that this is war, and we are fighting it earnestly
clicks on those photos generated by your facebook posting, it pretty much
looks like you're gone have to fight that war on your own...
Jason Burke
May 19, 2013, 9:16:10 PM5/19/13
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On 5/19/2013 2:57 PM, Ralph Cinque wrote:
> My fantasies didn't get the better of me at all. The pictures, it turns
> out were spontaneous, but my analysis of the differences seen is still
> valid, with the increased tension, the pinching of the brow, etc. The
> point is that you can still tell that it's the same person in each case
> despite the differences. None of the differences rule out their being the
> same. But what we see between FBI Lovelady and Martin Lovelady are worlds
> apart; they cannot be the same man.
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> http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/1715/collage37.jpg
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> You can't talk your way around this, Viklund. It's over for you and yours.
> And there is more going on behind the scenes than I can relate at this
> time. Let's just say that this is war, and we are fighting it earnestly
If this is war, Ralph, Brother Bluto dropped the big one on you a couple
> My fantasies didn't get the better of me at all. The pictures, it turns
> out were spontaneous, but my analysis of the differences seen is still
> valid, with the increased tension, the pinching of the brow, etc. The
> point is that you can still tell that it's the same person in each case
> despite the differences. None of the differences rule out their being the
> same. But what we see between FBI Lovelady and Martin Lovelady are worlds
> apart; they cannot be the same man.
>
> http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/1715/collage37.jpg
>
> You can't talk your way around this, Viklund. It's over for you and yours.
> And there is more going on behind the scenes than I can relate at this
> time. Let's just say that this is war, and we are fighting it earnestly
of years ago.
Mark OBLAZNEY
Sep 19, 2013, 5:21:36 PM9/19/13
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On Friday, May 17, 2013 5:06:08 AM UTC+2, Jason Burke wrote:
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