O'Reilly has already, specifically, stated on camera that he knows
that there were several persons who were associated with or around
Oswald, who, because they were associated with Oswald, leaves O'Reilly
publicly admitting that not all conspiracy questions have been
answered.
When asked, he, specifically, cited George DeMohrenschildt, and that
as a Dallas WFAA-TV reporter, O'Reilly claimed that he (O'Reilly) was
at (or traveling to) DeMohrenschildt's home when DeMohrenschildt was
found dead.
It will also be very interesting (among many key details) to read if
O'Reilly even talks about DP witnesses smelling GK gun smoke on/near
the GK, and, the "agents" encountered inside DP before 12:55 PM, and,
specifically, "agents", DPD police encountered on/near the GK:
beforehand, and, in the immediate aftermath seconds/minutes after the
shots.
On Oct 2, 4:20 pm, Squinty Magoo <magooslen...@msn.com> wrote:
> Anyone have anything to report on Bill O'Reilly's new book on the
> assassination?
There is a long, expandable book excerpt at the following link, that
leads up to JFK's entrance into DP. If this is how the book reads,
O'Reilly has (deliberately?!!?) left many considerations out!
O'Reilly has already, specifically, stated on camera that he knows that there were several persons who were associated with or around Oswald, who, because they were associated with Oswald, leaves O'Reilly publicly admitting that not all conspiracy questions have been answered.
When asked, he, specifically, cited George DeMohrenschildt, and that as a Dallas WFAA-TV reporter, O'Reilly claimed that he (O'Reilly) was at (or traveling to) DeMohrenschildt's home when DeMohrenschildt was found dead.
It will also be very interesting (among many key details) to read if O'Reilly even talks about DP witnesses smelling GK gun smoke on/near the GK, and, the "agents" encountered inside DP before 12:55 PM, and, specifically, "agents", DPD police encountered on/near the GK: beforehand, and, in the immediate aftermath seconds/minutes after the shots.
Well had the shots really cmae from the 6th floor, wouldn't the police be able to smell smoke when they arrived there just a few minutes later? I don't remember ANY police ever commenting that they smell smoke on the 6th floor?
Barry Krusch focused for long moments on the idea that the sniper's
nest (which provided the assassin a perfect place to hide from view)
was not arranged by Lee Oswald but by other people in the course of
their work.
So what ?
Who cares ?
What matters is that there was indeed some book cartons that provided
the assassin a place to hide. That Oswald arranged the boxes himself
or that he took advantage of the boxes that were already there, or
that, maybe, he arranged the boxes that were already there, does not
matter a bit.
It proves nothing either way.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
I agree, Francois.
And, in fact, when you think about Mr. Krusch's comments about the
boxes being moved by other Depository employees, instead of being
moved into position by Oswald himself, it really kind of destroys
another longstanding conspiracy theory: The one that has CTers
claiming that Oswald just didn't have enough time to move around all
those boxes to form his Sniper's Nest (or that he would surely have
been seen by someone when he went about the seemingly laborious task
of lugging around the boxes in building his "Nest").
But via the scenario purported by Barry Krusch in his Amazon.com
review for Bill O'Reilly's book "Killing Kennedy", which is indeed, as
Barry correctly pointed out, also advanced by the Warren Commission's
David W. Belin in Belin's 1973 book "November 22, 1963: You Are The
Jury" (Pages 145-146), it means that the construction of the Sniper's
Nest wouldn't have required extensive time and effort on Oswald's part
at all. He could have merely put the finishing touches on the outer
Nest "shield" and then moved a few additional boxes to the inside of
the "Nest" for his rifle rest and his "chair" box to sit on. Not much
time would be needed there at all.
So it seems to me that Barry Krusch has, in effect, helped the lone-
assassin cause by bringing up David Belin's observation concerning the
other TSBD employees inadvertently constructing most of the Sniper's
Nest (which is something in Belin's excellent 1973 book that I had
forgotten about completely, even though I've had that book for six
years).
So, thanks Barry. I'm glad you pointed out the fact that the
construction of Oswald's sniper's lair was, for the most part, very
likely not even Oswald's own work. Hence, another conspiracy theory
about how Oswald couldn't possibly have constructed that Sniper's Nest
by himself (without being seen) goes sliding down the drain.
--------
Addendum:
An excerpt from my "Oswald Timeline" series of articles (relating to
the topic of the Sniper's Nest boxes):
"It's also possible that, as Oswald mulled over potential
shooting locations, he realized that a goodly number of boxes were
already down on the east end of the 6th Floor, which would make
constructing a makeshift "Nest" all the easier for him. .... Oswald
(with his rifle and the paper bag) moves to the east end of the sixth
floor, where Oswald works on constructing his Sniper's Nest. Now, some
of these boxes might have been pretty close to the SN window
already...which, as I mentioned, could have been a partial factor in
Oswald choosing that southeast corner window to begin with. So,
perhaps the building of the Nest wasn't as difficult or as time-
consuming as some people seem to think it had to be. I really have no
idea how long it would have taken Oswald to create his makeshift
Sniper's Nest of book cartons. And nobody else knows for sure either.
This is one of the several "unknowables" surrounding this case. But
the sum total of "Oswald Was There" evidence tells me that Lee Oswald
(alone) DID construct that Sniper's Nest at some point prior to Bonnie
Ray Williams arriving back up on that sixth floor (or, at least Oz had
ENOUGH of the Nest constructed so that he was able to hide behind a
wall of partially-constructed boxes during Williams' brief 5-to-12-
minute stay up on that floor)." -- DVP; April 2007
> Well had the shots really cmae from the 6th floor, wouldn't the police > be able to smell smoke when they arrived there just a few minutes later? > I don't remember ANY police ever commenting that they smell smoke on the > 6th floor?
First, the barrel extended out the window into a brisk wind blowing from due West, so the crosswind would carry the burnt gunpowder residue away in the direction of the Dal Tex building. If the sniper had any on his clothing he took it with him to the lunchroom. He placed his rifle on the other side of the room next to the stairwell.
Someone claimed DPD Smith smelled gunpowder but never gave a cite.
Witnesses in the motorcade smelled gunpowder, which indicates someone may have fired a weapon at street level.
> Barry Krusch focused for long moments on the idea that the sniper's
> nest (which provided the assassin a perfect place to hide from view)
> was not arranged by Lee Oswald but by other people in the course of
> their work.
> So what ?
> Who cares ?
> What matters is that there was indeed some book cartons that provided
> the assassin a place to hide. That Oswald arranged the boxes himself
> or that he took advantage of the boxes that were already there, or
> that, maybe, he arranged the boxes that were already there, does not
> matter a bit.
> It proves nothing either way.
> DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
> I agree, Francois.
> And, in fact, when you think about Mr. Krusch's comments about the
> boxes being moved by other Depository employees, instead of being
> moved into position by Oswald himself, it really kind of destroys
> another longstanding conspiracy theory: The one that has CTers
> claiming that Oswald just didn't have enough time to move around all
> those boxes to form his Sniper's Nest (or that he would surely have
> been seen by someone when he went about the seemingly laborious task
> of lugging around the boxes in building his "Nest").
> But via the scenario purported by Barry Krusch in his Amazon.com
> review for Bill O'Reilly's book "Killing Kennedy", which is indeed, as
> Barry correctly pointed out, also advanced by the Warren Commission's
> David W. Belin in Belin's 1973 book "November 22, 1963: You Are The
> Jury" (Pages 145-146), it means that the construction of the Sniper's
> Nest wouldn't have required extensive time and effort on Oswald's part
> at all. He could have merely put the finishing touches on the outer
> Nest "shield" and then moved a few additional boxes to the inside of
> the "Nest" for his rifle rest and his "chair" box to sit on. Not much
> time would be needed there at all.
> So it seems to me that Barry Krusch has, in effect, helped the lone-
> assassin cause by bringing up David Belin's observation concerning the
> other TSBD employees inadvertently constructing most of the Sniper's
> Nest (which is something in Belin's excellent 1973 book that I had
> forgotten about completely, even though I've had that book for six
> years).
> So, thanks Barry. I'm glad you pointed out the fact that the
> construction of Oswald's sniper's lair was, for the most part, very
> likely not even Oswald's own work. Hence, another conspiracy theory
> about how Oswald couldn't possibly have constructed that Sniper's Nest
> by himself (without being seen) goes sliding down the drain.
> --------
> Addendum:
> An excerpt from my "Oswald Timeline" series of articles (relating to
> the topic of the Sniper's Nest boxes):
> "It's also possible that, as Oswald mulled over potential
> shooting locations, he realized that a goodly number of boxes were
> already down on the east end of the 6th Floor, which would make
> constructing a makeshift "Nest" all the easier for him. .... Oswald
> (with his rifle and the paper bag) moves to the east end of the sixth
> floor, where Oswald works on constructing his Sniper's Nest. Now, some
> of these boxes might have been pretty close to the SN window
> already...which, as I mentioned, could have been a partial factor in
> Oswald choosing that southeast corner window to begin with. So,
> perhaps the building of the Nest wasn't as difficult or as time-
> consuming as some people seem to think it had to be. I really have no
> idea how long it would have taken Oswald to create his makeshift
> Sniper's Nest of book cartons. And nobody else knows for sure either.
> This is one of the several "unknowables" surrounding this case. But
> the sum total of "Oswald Was There" evidence tells me that Lee Oswald
> (alone) DID construct that Sniper's Nest at some point prior to Bonnie
> Ray Williams arriving back up on that sixth floor (or, at least Oz had
> ENOUGH of the Nest constructed so that he was able to hide behind a
> wall of partially-constructed boxes during Williams' brief 5-to-12-
> minute stay up on that floor)." -- DVP; April 2007
And if the only additional boxes were added by the DPD when they tried to reconstruct the crime scene, it would not have taken any time for the shooter. If you take the time to look at the other photos of the boxes stacked on the sixth floor near the windows or even other floors, almost any other window would have been comparable to the sniper's nest without any need for more boxes.
And maybe it was Givens who built up the barricade to hide out when he was smoking up there and goofing off.
Why did Givens say that he had to go back up to the sixth floor to get his jacket and cigarettes if it was only used for dead storage?
> O'Reilly has already, specifically, stated on camera that he knows that
> there were several persons who were associated with or around Oswald, who,
> because they were associated with Oswald, leaves O'Reilly publicly
> admitting that not all conspiracy questions have been answered.
> When asked, he, specifically, cited George DeMohrenschildt, and that as a
> Dallas WFAA-TV reporter, O'Reilly claimed that he (O'Reilly) was at (or
> traveling to) DeMohrenschildt's home when DeMohrenschildt was found dead.
And his hands were never tested for gunpowder residue.
> It will also be very interesting (among many key details) to read if
> O'Reilly even talks about DP witnesses smelling GK gun smoke on/near the
> GK, and, the "agents" encountered inside DP before 12:55 PM, and,
> specifically, "agents", DPD police encountered on/near the GK: beforehand,
> and, in the immediate aftermath seconds/minutes after the shots.
> Well had the shots really cmae from the 6th floor, wouldn't the police be
> able to smell smoke when they arrived there just a few minutes later? I
> don't remember ANY police ever commenting that they smell smoke on the 6th
> floor?
No, and the acoustical evidence pinpoints exactly where on the sixth floor three shots were fired.
Why did Givens say that he had to go back up to the sixth floor to get
his jacket and cigarettes if it was only used for dead storage?
DVP SAYS:
Huh? What kind of off-the-wall conspiracy plot are you trying to imply
here?
Givens had been working on the sixth floor that morning, and he left his jacket/cigs on that floor after he descended for lunch. Hence, the reason he needed to go back up to the 6th floor was because THAT'S WHERE THOSE THINGS WERE.
> Why did Givens say that he had to go back up to the sixth floor to get
> his jacket and cigarettes if it was only used for dead storage?
> DVP SAYS:
> Huh? What kind of off-the-wall conspiracy plot are you trying to imply
> here?
> Givens had been working on the sixth floor that morning, and he left his
> jacket/cigs on that floor after he descended for lunch. Hence, the reason
> he needed to go back up to the 6th floor was because THAT'S WHERE THOSE
> THINGS WERE.
> (Duh.)
> "Dead storage"???
> (Time for another "Huh??", it would appear.)
Still clueless, eh DVP?
Jack C. Cason, president of the depository, said the sixth floor was used solely as a "dead storage" area.
Cason, who left the scene about 30 minutes before the president's caravan rode down Main Street a block away, said the firm often had difficulty finding employees who had fallen asleep amidst the stacks of books.
> On 10/4/2012 11:37 PM, Research wrote:
>> "doctorw" <PSA...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:a287cdfe-d61d-40d0-a7c8-313057b63cdb@v15g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
>> On Oct 2, 4:22 pm, john.mcad...@marquette.edu (John McAdams) wrote:
>>> On 2 Oct 2012 16:20:49 -0400, Squinty Magoo <magooslen...@msn.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Anyone have anything to report on Bill O'Reilly's new book on the
>>>> assassination?
>> O'Reilly has already, specifically, stated on camera that he knows that
>> there were several persons who were associated with or around Oswald, >> who,
>> because they were associated with Oswald, leaves O'Reilly publicly
>> admitting that not all conspiracy questions have been answered.
>> When asked, he, specifically, cited George DeMohrenschildt, and that as a
>> Dallas WFAA-TV reporter, O'Reilly claimed that he (O'Reilly) was at (or
>> traveling to) DeMohrenschildt's home when DeMohrenschildt was found dead.
> And his hands were never tested for gunpowder residue.
>> It will also be very interesting (among many key details) to read if
>> O'Reilly even talks about DP witnesses smelling GK gun smoke on/near the
>> GK, and, the "agents" encountered inside DP before 12:55 PM, and,
>> specifically, "agents", DPD police encountered on/near the GK: >> beforehand,
>> and, in the immediate aftermath seconds/minutes after the shots.
>> Well had the shots really cmae from the 6th floor, wouldn't the police be
>> able to smell smoke when they arrived there just a few minutes later? I
>> don't remember ANY police ever commenting that they smell smoke on the >> 6th
>> floor?
> No, and the acoustical evidence pinpoints exactly where on the sixth floor > three shots were fired.
You can't prove that. The cone you refer to includes most of the 6th floor the 7th floor and half of the Dal-tex building. Which in itself does nothing to prove the shots came from the 6th floor.
>>> "Jack C. Cason, president of the depository, said the sixth floor was
used solely as a "dead storage" area. Cason, who left the scene about 30 minutes before the president's caravan rode down Main Street a block away, said the firm often had difficulty finding employees who had fallen asleep amidst the stacks of books." <<<
Well, that might very well be the case, Tony, but your bringing up the
"dead storage" topic is totally irrelevant here, because even if the
sixth floor was for only "dead storage" -- so what? We still would
have Givens leaving his jacket and cancer sticks on the sixth floor on
the morning of Nov. 22, even if Givens WAS up there just sleeping or
goofing off or smoking--which would have made it perfectly logical for
him to have left his cigarettes up on that floor, wouldn't it?
Plus, we also know that Givens was part of the floor-repairing crew on
the 6th floor on Nov. 22, which makes your previous "dead storage"
argument all the more irrelevant, since even if that floor was only a
"dead" one, we know that activity was certainly going on on that
particular floor on Nov. 22 -- a new plywood floor was being put down.
And Givens was helping to do that work that day.
Question---
Why are so many conspiracy theorists seemingly so anxious to paint
Charles D. Givens as some kind of liar, plotter, or conspirator?
Just....why?
(I already know the answer, of course. But it's a rhetorical kind of
thing that needed to be asked anyway. I'm sure you understand.)
Either Jack Cason didn't know what the hell he was talking about or
(more likely) his use of the term "dead storage" could more aptly be
changed to "bulk stock", as Depository Superintendent Roy Truly
explained in detail in his Warren Commission testimony:
ROY TRULY -- "On the first floor we have bin stock, shelf stock, we
fill a lot of small orders from. And then in the basement the same.
The fifth and the sixth floor, and part of the seventh floor is
overflow stock. It is reserve stock. But the boys have to go to those
floors all during the day to pick up stock and bring it to the first
floor in order to process and complete the orders for the checker."
ALLEN DULLES -- "What would reserve stock mean?"
MR. TRULY -- "Actually it is not reserve stock--it is not surplus
either. It is part of our stock. But we can carry a limited amount
only on the first floor where we do our shipping. So they may get an
order for a hundred copies of a certain book and there may only be 10
or 15 or 20 on the shelf on the first floor. They will have to go
upstairs and get a carton or two. And they replenish the first floor
stock from that. And many of our freight orders are filled entirely
from our reserve stock. And they bring them to the first floor. All
orders reach the first floor, where they are checked and processed and
packed and shipped from that floor."
DAVID BELIN -- "Where, generally, are Scott, Foresman books kept?"
MR. TRULY -- "On the first floor and the sixth floor. We have a large
quantity of their books on the sixth floor."
MR. BELIN -- "And this is the area where Lee Harvey Oswald worked?"
MR. TRULY -- "That is right. .... He had occasion to go to the sixth
floor quite a number of times every day, each day, after books."
In article <506fdc2...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu>,
Anthony Marsh <anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Jack C. Cason, president of the depository, said the sixth floor was > used solely as a "dead storage" area.
David has just blown you out of the water on that by quoting Roy Truly saying that stock was brought down from the 6th floor on a regular basis.
Another mistake by you.
And you still won't admit that I never once said that JFK already had his fists up by Z225.
Yet another mistake.
How many others have you made about the JFK assassination that we don't yet know about? Probably many. You often claim here that other posters have said things they never said, and then make it even worse by refusing to admit your mistakes even after they are pointed out to you.
Why should any of us trust anything you say on any topic unless it can be independently verified beyond your word?
> Either Jack Cason didn't know what the hell he was talking about or
> (more likely) his use of the term "dead storage" could more aptly be
> changed to "bulk stock", as Depository Superintendent Roy Truly
> explained in detail in his Warren Commission testimony:
Yeah, he was only the president of the TSBD and worked there every day.
> ROY TRULY -- "On the first floor we have bin stock, shelf stock, we
> fill a lot of small orders from. And then in the basement the same.
> The fifth and the sixth floor, and part of the seventh floor is
> overflow stock. It is reserve stock. But the boys have to go to those
> floors all during the day to pick up stock and bring it to the first
> floor in order to process and complete the orders for the checker."
> ALLEN DULLES -- "What would reserve stock mean?"
> MR. TRULY -- "Actually it is not reserve stock--it is not surplus
> either. It is part of our stock. But we can carry a limited amount
> only on the first floor where we do our shipping. So they may get an
> order for a hundred copies of a certain book and there may only be 10
> or 15 or 20 on the shelf on the first floor. They will have to go
> upstairs and get a carton or two. And they replenish the first floor
> stock from that. And many of our freight orders are filled entirely
> from our reserve stock. And they bring them to the first floor. All
> orders reach the first floor, where they are checked and processed and
> packed and shipped from that floor."
That's what dead storage means. It is like the difference between retail and warehouse.
> DAVID BELIN -- "Where, generally, are Scott, Foresman books kept?"
> MR. TRULY -- "On the first floor and the sixth floor. We have a large
> quantity of their books on the sixth floor."
> MR. BELIN -- "And this is the area where Lee Harvey Oswald worked?"
> MR. TRULY -- "That is right. .... He had occasion to go to the sixth
> floor quite a number of times every day, each day, after books."
Did Givens? Why didn't Belin ask the same questions about Givens? Because he was acting as a prosecutor and you know the rule for a prosecutor: never ask a witness and question and never ask a question which could produce reasonable doubt.
> Therefore, the stock on the sixth floor wasn't "dead" at all, Tony. It
> was being accessed every day (per Roy S. Truly's WC testimony).
Are you in the book trade? No. Then how would you know anything about it?
>>>> "Jack C. Cason, president of the depository, said the sixth floor was
> used solely as a "dead storage" area. Cason, who left the scene about 30
> minutes before the president's caravan rode down Main Street a block away,
> said the firm often had difficulty finding employees who had fallen asleep
> amidst the stacks of books." <<<
> Well, that might very well be the case, Tony, but your bringing up the
> "dead storage" topic is totally irrelevant here, because even if the
> sixth floor was for only "dead storage" -- so what? We still would
Naughty, naughty. The rest of the cover-up is depending on you to be firm, not to give in to the kooks. Now you waffle and say "even if." Next week it will be "so what if." And your backers will start to lose confidence in you.
> have Givens leaving his jacket and cancer sticks on the sixth floor on
> the morning of Nov. 22, even if Givens WAS up there just sleeping or
> goofing off or smoking--which would have made it perfectly logical for
> him to have left his cigarettes up on that floor, wouldn't it?
Of course it would, but if I had said that you would have said, "How dare you?"
> Plus, we also know that Givens was part of the floor-repairing crew on
> the 6th floor on Nov. 22, which makes your previous "dead storage"
> argument all the more irrelevant, since even if that floor was only a
> "dead" one, we know that activity was certainly going on on that
> particular floor on Nov. 22 -- a new plywood floor was being put down.
> And Givens was helping to do that work that day.
Make that "Givens was SUPPOSED to be helping to do that work that day."
> Question---
> Why are so many conspiracy theorists seemingly so anxious to paint
> Charles D. Givens as some kind of liar, plotter, or conspirator?
> Just....why?
Why did the DPD put out an APB on him?
Why did one of the cops say that Givens would change his story for money?
Why did Givens give two different accounts of when Oswald came into the TSBD and when he saw him on the second floor?
Why is Givens the only TSBD worker who said he saw Oswald on the sixth floor just before the shooting?
It sounds like the cops went witness shopping and found a felon that they could blackmail into convicting their suspect.
> (I already know the answer, of course. But it's a rhetorical kind of
> thing that needed to be asked anyway. I'm sure you understand.)
Now to spring the trap since you walked into it so easily.
Why would ANY assassin choose such a high traffic area for his sniper's nest when hundreds of workers were coming and going every minute and floor laying crews were busy laying down plywood exactly where he wanted to set up his sniper's nest?
>>> O'Reilly has already, specifically, stated on camera that he knows that
>>> there were several persons who were associated with or around Oswald,
>>> who,
>>> because they were associated with Oswald, leaves O'Reilly publicly
>>> admitting that not all conspiracy questions have been answered.
>>> When asked, he, specifically, cited George DeMohrenschildt, and that as a
>>> Dallas WFAA-TV reporter, O'Reilly claimed that he (O'Reilly) was at (or
>>> traveling to) DeMohrenschildt's home when DeMohrenschildt was found dead.
>> And his hands were never tested for gunpowder residue.
>>> It will also be very interesting (among many key details) to read if
>>> O'Reilly even talks about DP witnesses smelling GK gun smoke on/near the
>>> GK, and, the "agents" encountered inside DP before 12:55 PM, and,
>>> specifically, "agents", DPD police encountered on/near the GK:
>>> beforehand,
>>> and, in the immediate aftermath seconds/minutes after the shots.
>>> Well had the shots really cmae from the 6th floor, wouldn't the police be
>>> able to smell smoke when they arrived there just a few minutes later? I
>>> don't remember ANY police ever commenting that they smell smoke on the
>>> 6th
>>> floor?
>> No, and the acoustical evidence pinpoints exactly where on the sixth floor
>> three shots were fired.
> You can't prove that. The cone you refer to includes most of the 6th floor
> the 7th floor and half of the Dal-tex building. Which in itself does
> nothing to prove the shots came from the 6th floor.
No, you are not paying attention. It is the wound trajectory which produces a cone. The acoustical evidence produces a circle. Which in this case is centered in the sniper's nest. More refined testing limits that circle to within a few inches at a spot about 1-1/2 feet back from the window.
Are you in the book trade? No. Then how would you know anything about
it?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
I don't. But Roy Truly does. (Are you in the book trade, Anthony?)
And I guess the following comment by Truly ONLY applies to Lee H.
Oswald, eh Tony? It doesn't apply to Charles Givens at all (even
though Charlie was one of these "boys" too), right Tony?.....
ROY TRULY -- "The fifth and the sixth floor, and part of the seventh
floor is overflow stock. It is reserve stock. But the boys have to go
to those floors all during the day to pick up stock and bring it to
the first floor in order to process and complete the orders for the
checker."
TONY MARSH, UNBELIEVABLY, ASKED:
Why would ANY assassin choose such a high traffic area for his
sniper's nest when hundreds of workers were coming and going every
minute and floor laying crews were busy laying down plywood exactly
where he wanted to set up his sniper's nest?
DVP SAID:
Hundreds of workers? Note Marsh's severe overstatement there. He's
acting as if the 6th floor was Grand Central or Yankee Stadium during
the World Series.
Now to spring the trap for Tony (since he stepped into it so nicely):
Why would ANY "Let's Frame Oswald" plotters choose the busy sixth
floor on 11/22/63 for their "patsy" ruse, which meant that SOMEBODY
FROM THE PATSY TEAM must have been up on that busy floor, with the
floor-laying crew, in order to plant all of the LHO-incriminating
evidence all over the sixth floor.
How did every member of the patsy crew manage to cloak themselves and
turn invisible on the morning of November 22, Tony? Any ideas? Or
would you prefer to remain wishy-washy...as always?
> And you still won't admit that I never once said that JFK already had
> his fists up by Z225.
> Yet another mistake.
> How many others have you made about the JFK assassination that we don't
> yet know about? Probably many. You often claim here that other posters
> have said things they never said, and then make it even worse by
> refusing to admit your mistakes even after they are pointed out to you.
> Why should any of us trust anything you say on any topic unless it can
> be independently verified beyond your word?
In article <5071d79...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu>,
Anthony Marsh <anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Are you in the book trade? No. Then how would you know anything about it?
Oh, he has to actually be in the book trade to still know certain relevant things? Nonsense. I've already demolished the myth, in reply to you even, that one just absolutely *has* to be an "expert" in a particular field to still talk knowledgeably about certain individual aspects of that field. Remember your little example of a violin virtuoso in that other thread? You acted as if, unless one was a virtuoso on that instrument, one could not possibly talk knowledgeably about any aspect of that instrument whatsoever. Remember how in my reply I absolutely slammed you on that? I said that I cannot play the violin well at all, but I still told you all sorts of facts about the violin which are most definitely true. Remember how you went abruptly silent on that issue right after I posted that? Oh, and don't try to wriggle out of it now by saying, oh, that's not what you meant, etc.
Btw, why are you still afraid to plainly admit that you were wrong when you falsely claimed that I said JFK already had his fists up by Z225?
What's so difficult Anthony, about just typing and posting a sentence something like this?
"You're right, John, I was mistaken when I claimed that you said that JFK already had his fists up by Z225, as I have realized since that you have never said that."
I already admitted several days ago that I was wrong when I said Mary Woodward meant the fence. And you saw me admit that I was wrong about there having been no broadcast about the throat wound prior to the beginning of the autopsy when both you and John Canal posted evidence to the contrary. Why can't you be just as willing to admit your own mistakes?
