> And I guess the following comment by Truly ONLY applies to Lee H.
> Oswald, eh Tony? It doesn't apply to Charles Givens at all (even
> though Charlie was one of these "boys" too), right Tony?.....
> ROY TRULY -- "The fifth and the sixth floor, and part of the seventh
> floor is overflow stock. It is reserve stock. But the boys have to go
> to those floors all during the day to pick up stock and bring it to
> the first floor in order to process and complete the orders for the
> checker."
> TONY MARSH, UNBELIEVABLY, ASKED:
> Why would ANY assassin choose such a high traffic area for his
> sniper's nest when hundreds of workers were coming and going every
> minute and floor laying crews were busy laying down plywood exactly
> where he wanted to set up his sniper's nest?
> DVP SAID:
> Hundreds of workers? Note Marsh's severe overstatement there. He's
> acting as if the 6th floor was Grand Central or Yankee Stadium during
> the World Series.
That's the effect I was looking for. It's called Hyperbole.
> Now to spring the trap for Tony (since he stepped into it so nicely):
> Why would ANY "Let's Frame Oswald" plotters choose the busy sixth
> floor on 11/22/63 for their "patsy" ruse, which meant that SOMEBODY
> FROM THE PATSY TEAM must have been up on that busy floor, with the
> floor-laying crew, in order to plant all of the LHO-incriminating
> evidence all over the sixth floor.
Who said the floor-laying crew was on the sixth floor at the time of the shooting? A professional team would have spotters and lookouts to make sure they wouldn't be disturbed.
> How did every member of the patsy crew manage to cloak themselves and
> turn invisible on the morning of November 22, Tony? Any ideas? Or
> would you prefer to remain wishy-washy...as always?
How did the guy who shot Chen manage to cloak himself and stay invisible?
How did the guy who shot and killed Martin Luther King Jr. stay invisible? You make up ridiculous objections instead of looking at other real life cases and using some common sense.
>>> "Who said the floor-laying crew was on the sixth floor at the time of the shooting? A professional team would have spotters and lookouts to make sure they wouldn't be disturbed." <<<
DVP:
You're the one who said there were "hundreds" of workers on the sixth
floor, not me. (Hyperbolic though your comment might have been.)
It would have been hard to hide from "hundreds" of guys, wouldn't
it? :-)
And Tony knows full well that no strangers were seen by any TSBD
workers on the upper floors of the building on Nov. 22. The only
stranger noticed by anybody was the old geezer who used the restroom
on the first floor and was seen leaving in a car shortly thereafter.
I can only wonder how a team of professional gunmen and "spotters"
worked their way, unnoticed, up to the 6th floor in order to start
playing their "Let's Frame Oswald As The Patsy" game?
And, in hindsight, you've also got to wonder WHY there was any need at
all for anybody to go up to the sixth floor to plant any evidence at
around noontime on 11/22/63? Since, amazingly, all of the Dallas cops,
plus the FBI (and later the Warren Commission too) apparently wanted
to FRAME THE VERY SAME PATSY NAMED OSWALD, the "spotters" and gunmen
weren't even needed. They could just let the DPD start planting the
shells and the gun and the paper bag. What purpose, therefore, did the
pre-assassination plotters serve at all, particularly from Harold
Weisberg's idiotic "No Shots Came From The Sixth Floor" point-of-
view?:
"I have no reason to believe that any of the shooting came from
the sixth floor." -- H. Weisberg
>>>> "Who said the floor-laying crew was on the sixth floor at the time of
the shooting? A professional team would have spotters and lookouts to make sure they wouldn't be disturbed." <<<
> DVP:
> You're the one who said there were "hundreds" of workers on the sixth
> floor, not me. (Hyperbolic though your comment might have been.)
> It would have been hard to hide from "hundreds" of guys, wouldn't
> it? :-)
> And Tony knows full well that no strangers were seen by any TSBD
And DVP knows full well that no strangers were seen in the rooming house from which James Earl Ray shot MLK. Your phony claim that assassins are always seen and identified out in the open is childish.
> workers on the upper floors of the building on Nov. 22. The only
> stranger noticed by anybody was the old geezer who used the restroom
> on the first floor and was seen leaving in a car shortly thereafter.
Was that the CIA officer who walked with a limp and lived on a farm and made his own cheese from his own goats?
Nice of him to drop off the rifle for the hit team.
> I can only wonder how a team of professional gunmen and "spotters"
> worked their way, unnoticed, up to the 6th floor in order to start
> playing their "Let's Frame Oswald As The Patsy" game?
Go ahead and wonder because you have never studied any other assassinations. I would suggest that you study some of the very successful assassinations carried out by Mossad. Watch the security tapes from the hotel cameras. Why aren't they in jail?
If you think Oswald was the shooter, then how did he walk past all those people on the stairs unnoticed? Why did Baker let him go?
> And, in hindsight, you've also got to wonder WHY there was any need at
> all for anybody to go up to the sixth floor to plant any evidence at
> around noontime on 11/22/63? Since, amazingly, all of the Dallas cops,
I didn't say to plant evidence. Take your straw men elsewhere.
> plus the FBI (and later the Warren Commission too) apparently wanted
> to FRAME THE VERY SAME PATSY NAMED OSWALD, the "spotters" and gunmen
> weren't even needed. They could just let the DPD start planting the
I have never added any FBI agents or DPD cops to the conspiracy.
The CIA did not use the FBI or local cops for their plots.
The CIA officers did not include the local cops or the FBI in their breakin at the Watergate hotel. They worked directly for the President.
> shells and the gun and the paper bag. What purpose, therefore, did the
What paper bag? You mean the one that Fritz must have been standing in in the corner without realizing it? Fritz the Klutz. Walks through a bloody crime scene and gets the blood all over his shoes and then walks over to the suspect's house leaving a trail of blood?
> pre-assassination plotters serve at all, particularly from Harold
> Weisberg's idiotic "No Shots Came From The Sixth Floor" point-of-
> view?:
Not my problem, man. The acoustical evidence proves that three shots were fired from the sniper's nest. We don't need your damn stinkin straw man arguments.
> "I have no reason to believe that any of the shooting came from
> the sixth floor." -- H. Weisberg
In article <5071fcb...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu>,
Anthony Marsh <anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Guess you don't know what he meant by dead stock. Retail stores bring
Guess you don't know how to admit you were wrong when you said a week ago that I had said that JFK already had his hands up by Z225, when in fact you have never once seen me say that.
In article <50734ba...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu>,
Anthony Marsh <anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 10/8/2012 5:20 PM, David Von Pein wrote:
> > Now to spring the trap for Tony (since he stepped into it so nicely):
> > Why would ANY "Let's Frame Oswald" plotters choose the busy sixth
> > floor on 11/22/63 for their "patsy" ruse, which meant that SOMEBODY
> > FROM THE PATSY TEAM must have been up on that busy floor, with the
> > floor-laying crew, in order to plant all of the LHO-incriminating
> > evidence all over the sixth floor.
> Who said the floor-laying crew was on the sixth floor at the time of the > shooting?
I'd like to know that too, Tony, since David *didn't* say that in his paragraph above that you yourself quoted. He *instead* talked about supposed plotters planting evidence incriminating Oswald. He never said anything about them doing so at the time of the shooting.
Are you yet again using your famous strawman tactic of acting as if another poster said something they never said?
Why yes, I think you are. ;-)
Just like with me, one week ago today, you stooped to the level of trying to win an argument with me by making up something I never once said, and claiming that I said it:
"You have JFK"s fists up by Z-225 and then the bullet hitting Connally at Z-226."
For the past seven days since you have ruined your credibility even further by refusing to admit that I never made either of those claims.
> In article <50734ba...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu>,
> Anthony Marsh <anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On 10/8/2012 5:20 PM, David Von Pein wrote:
>>> Now to spring the trap for Tony (since he stepped into it so nicely):
>>> Why would ANY "Let's Frame Oswald" plotters choose the busy sixth
>>> floor on 11/22/63 for their "patsy" ruse, which meant that SOMEBODY
>>> FROM THE PATSY TEAM must have been up on that busy floor, with the
>>> floor-laying crew, in order to plant all of the LHO-incriminating
>>> evidence all over the sixth floor.
>> Who said the floor-laying crew was on the sixth floor at the time of the
>> shooting?
> I'd like to know that too, Tony, since David *didn't* say that in his
> paragraph above that you yourself quoted. He *instead* talked about
> supposed plotters planting evidence incriminating Oswald. He never said
> anything about them doing so at the time of the shooting.
It's easy to win an argument when you snip out the context and quote someone out of context. That may be your ONLY weapon.
> Are you yet again using your famous strawman tactic of acting as if
> another poster said something they never said?
English please. If I say, "Who said" that does not mean "You said."
His phrasing made it sound like the floor laying crew would be up on the sixth floor during the assassination to disrupt the assassination team.
> Just like with me, one week ago today, you stooped to the level of
> trying to win an argument with me by making up something I never once
> said, and claiming that I said it:
> "You have JFK"s fists up by Z-225 and then the bullet hitting Connally
> at Z-226."
> For the past seven days since you have ruined your credibility even
> further by refusing to admit that I never made either of those claims.
In article <f3796167-f08b-415b-a84f-0dfa41515...@m5g2000yql.googlegroups.com>,
David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> TONY MARSH SAID:
> >>> "Who said the floor-laying crew was on the sixth floor at the time of the > >>> shooting? A professional team would have spotters and lookouts to make > >>> sure they wouldn't be disturbed." <<<
> DVP:
> You're the one who said there were "hundreds" of workers on the sixth
> floor, not me. (Hyperbolic though your comment might have been.)
> It would have been hard to hide from "hundreds" of guys, wouldn't
> it? :-)
Oh but David, don't you see? All of them except for the known TSBD employees were shooters. We've had it wrong all this time. There weren't three shots fired at the motorcade. There were three-HUNDRED shots fired at the motorcade. The first 100 shots were all fired simultaneously after the limo turned the corner. No wonder it was so loud and no wonder all those echoes fooled so many people into believing those shots came from the knoll and the underpass and the railroad yards and the Dal-Tex and so forth. It's a wonder only Tague was hit, but that's because although their coordination was superb, their aim was atrocious. But with more superb superhuman coordination the second group of 100 shooters (yes, they did it as sort of a tag team) fired all their rifles with pinpoint accuracy at exactly Z222. But while all these guys were fabulous in their timing, they weren't so snazzy with their aim, as the vast majority of them couldn't hit a donkey at ten feet, and only two of them hit anyone in the limo; one shooter hit JFK and the other hit JBC. So this clears it up at long last after more than 48 years: there was no freakin' single bullet. Then of course the last 100 shooters took their places at the windows, and once again, almost as if it had been preordained by Ye Powers That Be, they all fired at exactly Z312. But sadly, 98 of them were even worse shots than the first and second groups. But two of them found their mark. Well, one on purpose and one accidentally. One of these two, whom we shall call John, got JFK directly in the back of the head. The other, whom we shall call Anthony, aimed a tad high and missed JFK...but the bullet ricocheted off the inside of the windshield (hence the dent in the photos) and hit the front of JFK's head.
Now as to why so few witnesses noticed 300 shooters, that's simply because quite a few of the idjits fired out of the rear windows of the TSBD toward the parking lot. They were a bit confused as to which side of the building their target would be on. And the regular TSBD employees didn't mention all these shooters on the 6th floor because who's gonna tattle on 300 folks with rifles pointing atcha?
Oh sorry, C&C warning.
> And Tony knows full well that no strangers were seen by any TSBD
> workers on the upper floors of the building on Nov. 22. The only
> stranger noticed by anybody was the old geezer who used the restroom
> on the first floor and was seen leaving in a car shortly thereafter.
> I can only wonder how a team of professional gunmen and "spotters"
> worked their way, unnoticed, up to the 6th floor in order to start
> playing their "Let's Frame Oswald As The Patsy" game?
Especially 300 of them. But you know, that's also why Victoria Adams et al didn't report them as thundering down the back stairs after the shooting because, again, who's gonna cause any trouble with 300 men and women (yes, there were some female shooters too; this is a new revelation from a document that was just declassified earlier today by the CIA, and a scan of it was sent to me today as an email attachment by one of my fellow spooks) who all have rifles waving around?
The final revelation in this document is how they all got out of the building unnoticed by the crowd outside. It's really quite simple: they had already dug a hole in the first floor, and they waited for all the bystanders to run over to the grassy knoll and then they just snuck out through the sewer.
All 300 of them.
They later emerged in Oak Cliff, but by that time their patsy had already accidentally shot an officer.
Well, you can't expect everything to have gone right, can you?
In article <507462f...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu>,
Anthony Marsh <anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Was that the CIA officer who walked with a limp and lived on a farm and > made his own cheese from his own goats?
> Nice of him to drop off the rifle for the hit team.
> In article <507462f...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu>,
> Anthony Marsh <anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Was that the CIA officer who walked with a limp and lived on a farm and
>> made his own cheese from his own goats?
>> Nice of him to drop off the rifle for the hit team.
> Ooo, was that Ed Dolan?
No, not in 1963. Dolan only had trouble walking many years later, the mid 1990s. You have no possible way to figure out which guy I mean.
Other posters got the inside joke immediately.
> In article
> <f3796167-f08b-415b-a84f-0dfa41515...@m5g2000yql.googlegroups.com>,
> David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
>> TONY MARSH SAID:
>>>>> "Who said the floor-laying crew was on the sixth floor at the time of the
>>>>> shooting? A professional team would have spotters and lookouts to make
>>>>> sure they wouldn't be disturbed." <<<
>> DVP:
>> You're the one who said there were "hundreds" of workers on the sixth
>> floor, not me. (Hyperbolic though your comment might have been.)
>> It would have been hard to hide from "hundreds" of guys, wouldn't
>> it? :-)
> Oh but David, don't you see? All of them except for the known TSBD
> employees were shooters. We've had it wrong all this time. There weren't
Now wait a minute. Didn't some kook have a theory that the real shooter was a TSBD employee?
I also heard a theory that several other TSBD employees were also shooters. Like a company hit.
> three shots fired at the motorcade. There were three-HUNDRED shots fired
> at the motorcade. The first 100 shots were all fired simultaneously after
> the limo turned the corner. No wonder it was so loud and no wonder all
Reductio ad Absurdum.
> those echoes fooled so many people into believing those shots came from
> the knoll and the underpass and the railroad yards and the Dal-Tex and so
> forth. It's a wonder only Tague was hit, but that's because although
> their coordination was superb, their aim was atrocious. But with more
Lifton's theory was that only blanks were fired from the TSBD to make people think that all the shot came from there, while the real shots came from the front. How about throwing in some silencers to confuse people?
> superb superhuman coordination the second group of 100 shooters (yes, they
> did it as sort of a tag team) fired all their rifles with pinpoint
And who said it had to be superhuman? Why not automated? Didn't you see the Bruce Willis remake of The Jackal?
> accuracy at exactly Z222. But while all these guys were fabulous in their
And what exactly is the significance of Z-222? Is that your latest SBT du jour?
> timing, they weren't so snazzy with their aim, as the vast majority of
> them couldn't hit a donkey at ten feet, and only two of them hit anyone in
> the limo; one shooter hit JFK and the other hit JBC. So this clears it up
> at long last after more than 48 years: there was no freakin' single
That's what the FBI said in its report and the WC said in its internal memos.
> bullet. Then of course the last 100 shooters took their places at the
> windows, and once again, almost as if it had been preordained by Ye Powers
> That Be, they all fired at exactly Z312. But sadly, 98 of them were even
So, where are all those clouds of smoke from your hundreds of guns?
> worse shots than the first and second groups. But two of them found their
> mark. Well, one on purpose and one accidentally. One of these two, whom
I can't name him here, but there is actually one kook who believes that JFK was shot in the head accidentally by the SS. Reminds me of that story by the SS agent at LBJ's ranch who pulled his Tommy Gun on LBJ and almost pulled the trigger before he recognized him.
> we shall call John, got JFK directly in the back of the head. The other,
> whom we shall call Anthony, aimed a tad high and missed JFK...but the
> bullet ricocheted off the inside of the windshield (hence the dent in the
> photos) and hit the front of JFK's head.
There is NO dent in the windshield. What are you on? How expensive is it?
> Now as to why so few witnesses noticed 300 shooters, that's simply because
> quite a few of the idjits fired out of the rear windows of the TSBD toward
> the parking lot. They were a bit confused as to which side of the
> building their target would be on. And the regular TSBD employees didn't
> mention all these shooters on the 6th floor because who's gonna tattle on
> 300 folks with rifles pointing atcha?
OH, so that explains why so many innocent bystanders were killed that day. ;]> Maybe their job was to kill all the witnesses, like the Sadat assassination.
>> And Tony knows full well that no strangers were seen by any TSBD
>> workers on the upper floors of the building on Nov. 22. The only
>> stranger noticed by anybody was the old geezer who used the restroom
>> on the first floor and was seen leaving in a car shortly thereafter.
>> I can only wonder how a team of professional gunmen and "spotters"
>> worked their way, unnoticed, up to the 6th floor in order to start
>> playing their "Let's Frame Oswald As The Patsy" game?
> Especially 300 of them. But you know, that's also why Victoria Adams et
> al didn't report them as thundering down the back stairs after the
> shooting because, again, who's gonna cause any trouble with 300 men and
> women (yes, there were some female shooters too; this is a new revelation
> from a document that was just declassified earlier today by the CIA, and a
> scan of it was sent to me today as an email attachment by one of my fellow
> spooks) who all have rifles waving around?
> The final revelation in this document is how they all got out of the
> building unnoticed by the crowd outside. It's really quite simple: they
> had already dug a hole in the first floor, and they waited for all the
> bystanders to run over to the grassy knoll and then they just snuck out
> through the sewer.
Maybe they all pretended to be part of a movie crew as in the new movie ARGO (based on a true story).
