Curious that no witness down in Dealey Plaza mentions seeing the famed "rifle rest" in the 6th-floor "nest". Apparently, only a corner of the box could have been seen from the outside--it shows up in photos. The only two witnesses who seem to have been specifically asked about the box say they did not see it--Howard Brennan & Malcolm Couch (Couch: v6p157).
In fact, the only witness, to my knowledge, who commented re any sort of "rest" was Bob Jackson, in his 11/23 Times Herald story: The "rifle might have been resting on the window sill".
Too bad there weren't more counsel questions re how the rifle was being held. Based on the witnesses, the "rifle rest" may as well not have been used at all....
On Oct 6, 10:10 am, seansmileyran...@gmail.com wrote:
> Curious that no witness down in Dealey Plaza mentions seeing the famed
> "rifle rest" in the 6th-floor "nest". Apparently, only a corner of the
> box could have been seen from the outside--it shows up in photos. The
> only two witnesses who seem to have been specifically asked about the box
> say they did not see it--Howard Brennan & Malcolm Couch (Couch: v6p157).
> In fact, the only witness, to my knowledge, who commented re any sort of
> "rest" was Bob Jackson, in his 11/23 Times Herald story: The "rifle might
> have been resting on the window sill".
> Too bad there weren't more counsel questions re how the rifle was being
> held. Based on the witnesses, the "rifle rest" may as well not have been
> used at all....
> dcw
It would be typical in a coverup in my opinion to go on and on about
insignifcant things and gloss over problematic areas.
On 10/6/2012 10:10 AM, seansmileyran...@gmail.com wrote:
> Curious that no witness down in Dealey Plaza mentions seeing the famed
> "rifle rest" in the 6th-floor "nest". Apparently, only a corner of the
> box could have been seen from the outside--it shows up in photos. The
> only two witnesses who seem to have been specifically asked about the box
> say they did not see it--Howard Brennan & Malcolm Couch (Couch: v6p157).
> In fact, the only witness, to my knowledge, who commented re any sort of
> "rest" was Bob Jackson, in his 11/23 Times Herald story: The "rifle might
> have been resting on the window sill".
> Too bad there weren't more counsel questions re how the rifle was being
> held. Based on the witnesses, the "rifle rest" may as well not have been
> used at all....
> dcw
Maybe the rifle rest was created by the cops trying to figure out where the boxes should be stack. 4 different versions.
In one version it would be very difficult to use the top carton as a rifle rest and still be able to aim with the scope.
Curious that no witness down in Dealey Plaza mentions seeing the famed "rifle rest" in the 6th-floor "nest". Apparently, only a corner of the box could have been seen from the outside--it shows up in photos. The only two witnesses who seem to have been specifically asked about the box say they did not see it--Howard Brennan & Malcolm Couch (Couch: v6p157). In fact, the only witness, to my knowledge, who commented re any sort of "rest" was Bob Jackson, in his 11/23 Times Herald story: The "rifle might have been resting on the window sill".
Amos Eunis said Oswald held the rifle with both his hands and shot around the boxes.
Too bad there weren't more counsel questions re how the rifle was being held. Based on the witnesses, the "rifle rest" may as well not have been used at all....
On Oct 7, 1:10 am, seansmileyran...@gmail.com wrote:
> Curious that no witness down in Dealey Plaza mentions seeing the famed
> "rifle rest" in the 6th-floor "nest". Apparently, only a corner of the
> box could have been seen from the outside--it shows up in photos. The
> only two witnesses who seem to have been specifically asked about the box
> say they did not see it--Howard Brennan & Malcolm Couch (Couch: v6p157).
> In fact, the only witness, to my knowledge, who commented re any sort of
> "rest" was Bob Jackson, in his 11/23 Times Herald story: The "rifle might
> have been resting on the window sill".
> Too bad there weren't more counsel questions re how the rifle was being
> held. Based on the witnesses, the "rifle rest" may as well not have been
> used at all....
> dcw
Given all the OTHER evidence connecting Oswald with the shooting,
probably it was considered a minor point,so wasn't followed.
Regards,
Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
*...NOT ONE of the three experts was able to strike the head or the
neck of the target EVEN ONCE.* (Emphasis added).
Mark Lane, Rush to Judgment, page 129, footnoted as: XVII 261-262.
> Curious that no witness down in Dealey Plaza mentions seeing the famed
> "rifle rest" in the 6th-floor "nest". Apparently, only a corner of the
> box could have been seen from the outside--it shows up in photos. The
> only two witnesses who seem to have been specifically asked about the box
> say they did not see it--Howard Brennan & Malcolm Couch (Couch: v6p157).
> In fact, the only witness, to my knowledge, who commented re any sort of
> "rest" was Bob Jackson, in his 11/23 Times Herald story: The "rifle might
> have been resting on the window sill".
> Amos Eunis said Oswald held the rifle with both his hands and shot around
> the boxes.
I see in his testimony where he says he saw one of the man's hands on the barrel or stock & one on the trigger. And he seems to describe boxes in several windows. Nothing about a rifle rest or sill....
dcw
> Curious that no witness down in Dealey Plaza mentions seeing the famed > "rifle rest" in the 6th-floor "nest". Apparently, only a corner of the > box could have been seen from the outside--it shows up in photos. The > only two witnesses who seem to have been specifically asked about the box > say they did not see it--Howard Brennan & Malcolm Couch (Couch: v6p157). > In fact, the only witness, to my knowledge, who commented re any sort of > "rest" was Bob Jackson, in his 11/23 Times Herald story: The "rifle might > have been resting on the window sill".
> Amos Eunis said Oswald held the rifle with both his hands and shot around > the boxes.
None of the eye witnesses who reported they saw the shooter stated that the shooter rested the rifle on the boxes. But when the FBI re-enacted the 6th floor event, did not have boxes as an obstacle. And when firing, the window was completely opened, not just half open. But maybe the boxes where just a barrier to hide behind. But the pictures by Tom Aylea showed the boxes in the middle of the window. Which would complicate the aim even further. Eunis and Brennan stated the rifle was sticking out the window. Eunis testified the shooter held the rifle with both hands and the rifle was sticking out the window about 3 feet. That would have been impossible considering Oswald was right-handed and the boxes took up 2/3rds of the window space including the opposite side and would have left no room for a shooter on either side. The shooter would have had to shoot over the boxes. This would have been impossible because the scope would have been blocked by the bottom of the opened window. Neither Brennan or Eunis saw the box in the window.
> Too bad there weren't more counsel questions re how the rifle was being > held. Based on the witnesses, the "rifle rest" may as well not have been > used at all....
>> Curious that no witness down in Dealey Plaza mentions seeing the famed
>> "rifle rest" in the 6th-floor "nest". Apparently, only a corner of the
>> box could have been seen from the outside--it shows up in photos. The
>> only two witnesses who seem to have been specifically asked about the box
>> say they did not see it--Howard Brennan & Malcolm Couch (Couch: v6p157).
>> In fact, the only witness, to my knowledge, who commented re any sort of
>> "rest" was Bob Jackson, in his 11/23 Times Herald story: The "rifle might
>> have been resting on the window sill".
>> Amos Eunis said Oswald held the rifle with both his hands and shot around
>> the boxes.
> None of the eye witnesses who reported they saw the shooter stated that the
> shooter rested the rifle on the boxes. But when the FBI re-enacted the 6th
> floor event, did not have boxes as an obstacle. And when firing, the window
> was completely opened, not just half open. But maybe the boxes where just a
> barrier to hide behind. But the pictures by Tom Aylea showed the boxes in
That's your clue right there. Frazier could not put boxes in front of the window because then he would not have been able to get a clear view of Elm Street. The only ones to actually fire shots from the window were the HSCA and they used a wooden box as a rifle rest.
If the window were open the same amount as during the assassination because there would not be enough room to use the boxes as a rifle rest and then be able to use the scope as the view would be blocked by the bottom rail.
> the middle of the window. Which would complicate the aim even further. Eunis
> and Brennan stated the rifle was sticking out the window. Eunis testified
> the shooter held the rifle with both hands and the rifle was sticking out
> the window about 3 feet. That would have been impossible considering Oswald
> was right-handed and the boxes took up 2/3rds of the window space including
> the opposite side and would have left no room for a shooter on either side.
> The shooter would have had to shoot over the boxes. This would have been
> impossible because the scope would have been blocked by the bottom of the
> opened window. Neither Brennan or Eunis saw the box in the window.
>> Too bad there weren't more counsel questions re how the rifle was being
>> held. Based on the witnesses, the "rifle rest" may as well not have been
>> used at all....
Some stupid witnesses also said that the shooter leaned out the window or sat on the window sill. Both are impossible with the boxes in front of the window and/or resting on the sill.
> >> Curious that no witness down in Dealey Plaza mentions seeing the famed
> >> "rifle rest" in the 6th-floor "nest". Apparently, only a corner of the
> >> box could have been seen from the outside--it shows up in photos. The
> >> only two witnesses who seem to have been specifically asked about the box
> >> say they did not see it--Howard Brennan & Malcolm Couch (Couch: v6p157).
> >> In fact, the only witness, to my knowledge, who commented re any sort of
> >> "rest" was Bob Jackson, in his 11/23 Times Herald story: The "rifle might
> >> have been resting on the window sill".
> >> Amos Eunis said Oswald held the rifle with both his hands and shot around
> >> the boxes.
> > None of the eye witnesses who reported they saw the shooter stated that the
> > shooter rested the rifle on the boxes. But when the FBI re-enacted the 6th
> > floor event, did not have boxes as an obstacle. And when firing, the window
> > was completely opened, not just half open. But maybe the boxes where just a
> > barrier to hide behind. But the pictures by Tom Aylea showed the boxes in
> That's your clue right there. Frazier could not put boxes in front of the
> window because then he would not have been able to get a clear view of Elm
> Street. The only ones to actually fire shots from the window were the HSCA
> and they used a wooden box as a rifle rest.
> If the window were open the same amount as during the assassination
> because there would not be enough room to use the boxes as a rifle rest
> and then be able to use the scope as the view would be blocked by the
> bottom rail.
> > the middle of the window. Which would complicate the aim even further. Eunis
> > and Brennan stated the rifle was sticking out the window. Eunis testified
> > the shooter held the rifle with both hands and the rifle was sticking out
> > the window about 3 feet. That would have been impossible considering Oswald
> > was right-handed and the boxes took up 2/3rds of the window space including
> > the opposite side and would have left no room for a shooter on either side.
> > The shooter would have had to shoot over the boxes. This would have been
> > impossible because the scope would have been blocked by the bottom of the
> > opened window. Neither Brennan or Eunis saw the box in the window.
> >> Too bad there weren't more counsel questions re how the rifle was being
> >> held. Based on the witnesses, the "rifle rest" may as well not have been
> >> used at all....
> Some stupid witnesses also said that the shooter leaned out the window
> or sat on the window sill. Both are impossible with the boxes in front
> of the window and/or resting on the sill.
Brennan ("on the sill") & Mrs. Walther ("leaned out") were talking about the minute *before* the shooting. But, as I've been saying, the shooter could not have done that, even beforehand, in a half-open window with a box on the sill. Hence, my feeling that they were talking about *another* window.
>>> Curious that no witness down in Dealey Plaza mentions seeing the famed
>>> "rifle rest" in the 6th-floor "nest". Apparently, only a corner of the
>>> box could have been seen from the outside--it shows up in photos. The
>>> only two witnesses who seem to have been specifically asked about the >>> box
>>> say they did not see it--Howard Brennan & Malcolm Couch (Couch: v6p157).
>>> In fact, the only witness, to my knowledge, who commented re any sort of
>>> "rest" was Bob Jackson, in his 11/23 Times Herald story: The "rifle >>> might
>>> have been resting on the window sill".
>>> Amos Eunis said Oswald held the rifle with both his hands and shot >>> around
>>> the boxes.
>> None of the eye witnesses who reported they saw the shooter stated that >> the
>> shooter rested the rifle on the boxes. But when the FBI re-enacted the >> 6th
>> floor event, did not have boxes as an obstacle. And when firing, the >> window
>> was completely opened, not just half open. But maybe the boxes where just >> a
>> barrier to hide behind. But the pictures by Tom Aylea showed the boxes in
> That's your clue right there. Frazier could not put boxes in front of the > window because then he would not have been able to get a clear view of Elm > Street. The only ones to actually fire shots from the window were the HSCA > and they used a wooden box as a rifle rest.
> If the window were open the same amount as during the assassination > because there would not be enough room to use the boxes as a rifle rest > and then be able to use the scope as the view would be blocked by the > bottom rail.
>> the middle of the window. Which would complicate the aim even further. >> Eunis
>> and Brennan stated the rifle was sticking out the window. Eunis testified
>> the shooter held the rifle with both hands and the rifle was sticking out
>> the window about 3 feet. That would have been impossible considering >> Oswald
>> was right-handed and the boxes took up 2/3rds of the window space >> including
>> the opposite side and would have left no room for a shooter on either >> side.
>> The shooter would have had to shoot over the boxes. This would have been
>> impossible because the scope would have been blocked by the bottom of the
>> opened window. Neither Brennan or Eunis saw the box in the window.
>>> Too bad there weren't more counsel questions re how the rifle was being
>>> held. Based on the witnesses, the "rifle rest" may as well not have >>> been
>>> used at all....
> Some stupid witnesses also said that the shooter leaned out the window or > sat on the window sill. Both are impossible with the boxes in front of the > window and/or resting on the sill.
Who are these stupid witnesses? Just how many witnesses said they saw a rifle or that the rifle was being fired? Out of the 3 hundred Dealey spectators? As far as I know there was only 3 or maybe 4 out of 3 hundred? Seems to me there should be 40 or 50 who were standing right there on the corner. But there were only 2. The same two Amos and Andy. LOL;) I mean Enius and Brennan. And when there is an event no matter how large or small, there will always be some people who think they saw something they didn't. Did they see the boxes? NO! Did they see the scope? NO! So how do the WC defenders and the nutters place any value on what these to CRAZYs have to say?
In article <46c61228-f289-4f1b-857a-7c1580b947c7@googlegroups.com>,
seansmileyran...@gmail.com wrote:
> I see in his testimony where he says he saw one of the man's hands on the > barrel or stock & one on the trigger. And he seems to describe boxes in > several windows. Nothing about a rifle rest or sill....
And all, not almost all, but all of these witnesses saw this person, and this window, and these boxes, from more than 50 feet below, correct?
Little wonder then that they were woefully inconsistent in their descriptions.
>>>> Curious that no witness down in Dealey Plaza mentions seeing the famed
>>>> "rifle rest" in the 6th-floor "nest". Apparently, only a corner of the
>>>> box could have been seen from the outside--it shows up in photos. The
>>>> only two witnesses who seem to have been specifically asked about the
>>>> box
>>>> say they did not see it--Howard Brennan & Malcolm Couch (Couch: v6p157).
>>>> In fact, the only witness, to my knowledge, who commented re any sort of
>>>> "rest" was Bob Jackson, in his 11/23 Times Herald story: The "rifle
>>>> might
>>>> have been resting on the window sill".
>>>> Amos Eunis said Oswald held the rifle with both his hands and shot
>>>> around
>>>> the boxes.
>>> None of the eye witnesses who reported they saw the shooter stated that
>>> the
>>> shooter rested the rifle on the boxes. But when the FBI re-enacted the
>>> 6th
>>> floor event, did not have boxes as an obstacle. And when firing, the
>>> window
>>> was completely opened, not just half open. But maybe the boxes where just
>>> a
>>> barrier to hide behind. But the pictures by Tom Aylea showed the boxes in
>> That's your clue right there. Frazier could not put boxes in front of the
>> window because then he would not have been able to get a clear view of Elm
>> Street. The only ones to actually fire shots from the window were the HSCA
>> and they used a wooden box as a rifle rest.
>> If the window were open the same amount as during the assassination
>> because there would not be enough room to use the boxes as a rifle rest
>> and then be able to use the scope as the view would be blocked by the
>> bottom rail.
>>> the middle of the window. Which would complicate the aim even further.
>>> Eunis
>>> and Brennan stated the rifle was sticking out the window. Eunis testified
>>> the shooter held the rifle with both hands and the rifle was sticking out
>>> the window about 3 feet. That would have been impossible considering
>>> Oswald
>>> was right-handed and the boxes took up 2/3rds of the window space
>>> including
>>> the opposite side and would have left no room for a shooter on either
>>> side.
>>> The shooter would have had to shoot over the boxes. This would have been
>>> impossible because the scope would have been blocked by the bottom of the
>>> opened window. Neither Brennan or Eunis saw the box in the window.
>>>> Too bad there weren't more counsel questions re how the rifle was being
>>>> held. Based on the witnesses, the "rifle rest" may as well not have
>>>> been
>>>> used at all....
>> Some stupid witnesses also said that the shooter leaned out the window or
>> sat on the window sill. Both are impossible with the boxes in front of the
>> window and/or resting on the sill.
> Who are these stupid witnesses? Just how many witnesses said they saw a
> rifle or that the rifle was being fired? Out of the 3 hundred Dealey
> spectators? As far as I know there was only 3 or maybe 4 out of 3 hundred?
It doesn't matter to me which number you make out of thin air. One person can say 6 and another person can say 7.
> Seems to me there should be 40 or 50 who were standing right there on the
> corner. But there were only 2. The same two Amos and Andy. LOL;) I mean
No, that's ridiculous. Not everyone was watching the TSBD looking for shots. Most people were watching the motorcade down on the street. Some witnesses may not have been in a good position to see a rifle in the window.
> Enius and Brennan. And when there is an event no matter how large or
> small, there will always be some people who think they saw something they
> didn't. Did they see the boxes? NO! Did they see the scope? NO! So how do
> the WC defenders and the nutters place any value on what these to CRAZYs
> have to say?
>>>>> Curious that no witness down in Dealey Plaza mentions seeing the famed
>>>>> "rifle rest" in the 6th-floor "nest". Apparently, only a corner of >>>>> the
>>>>> box could have been seen from the outside--it shows up in photos. The
>>>>> only two witnesses who seem to have been specifically asked about the
>>>>> box
>>>>> say they did not see it--Howard Brennan & Malcolm Couch (Couch: >>>>> v6p157).
>>>>> In fact, the only witness, to my knowledge, who commented re any sort >>>>> of
>>>>> "rest" was Bob Jackson, in his 11/23 Times Herald story: The "rifle
>>>>> might
>>>>> have been resting on the window sill".
>>>>> Amos Eunis said Oswald held the rifle with both his hands and shot
>>>>> around
>>>>> the boxes.
>>>> None of the eye witnesses who reported they saw the shooter stated that
>>>> the
>>>> shooter rested the rifle on the boxes. But when the FBI re-enacted the
>>>> 6th
>>>> floor event, did not have boxes as an obstacle. And when firing, the
>>>> window
>>>> was completely opened, not just half open. But maybe the boxes where >>>> just
>>>> a
>>>> barrier to hide behind. But the pictures by Tom Aylea showed the boxes >>>> in
>>> That's your clue right there. Frazier could not put boxes in front of >>> the
>>> window because then he would not have been able to get a clear view of >>> Elm
>>> Street. The only ones to actually fire shots from the window were the >>> HSCA
>>> and they used a wooden box as a rifle rest.
>>> If the window were open the same amount as during the assassination
>>> because there would not be enough room to use the boxes as a rifle rest
>>> and then be able to use the scope as the view would be blocked by the
>>> bottom rail.
>>>> the middle of the window. Which would complicate the aim even further.
>>>> Eunis
>>>> and Brennan stated the rifle was sticking out the window. Eunis >>>> testified
>>>> the shooter held the rifle with both hands and the rifle was sticking >>>> out
>>>> the window about 3 feet. That would have been impossible considering
>>>> Oswald
>>>> was right-handed and the boxes took up 2/3rds of the window space
>>>> including
>>>> the opposite side and would have left no room for a shooter on either
>>>> side.
>>>> The shooter would have had to shoot over the boxes. This would have >>>> been
>>>> impossible because the scope would have been blocked by the bottom of >>>> the
>>>> opened window. Neither Brennan or Eunis saw the box in the window.
>>>>> Too bad there weren't more counsel questions re how the rifle was >>>>> being
>>>>> held. Based on the witnesses, the "rifle rest" may as well not have
>>>>> been
>>>>> used at all....
>>> Some stupid witnesses also said that the shooter leaned out the window >>> or
>>> sat on the window sill. Both are impossible with the boxes in front of >>> the
>>> window and/or resting on the sill.
>> Who are these stupid witnesses? Just how many witnesses said they saw a
>> rifle or that the rifle was being fired? Out of the 3 hundred Dealey
>> spectators? As far as I know there was only 3 or maybe 4 out of 3 >> hundred?
> It doesn't matter to me which number you make out of thin air. One person > can say 6 and another person can say 7.
Well how many other witnesses were there? I'd like to look at their statements and testimonies.
>> Seems to me there should be 40 or 50 who were standing right there on the
>> corner. But there were only 2. The same two Amos and Andy. LOL;) I mean
> No, that's ridiculous. Not everyone was watching the TSBD looking for > shots. Most people were watching the motorcade down on the street. Some > witnesses may not have been in a good position to see a rifle in the > window.
>> Enius and Brennan. And when there is an event no matter how large or
>> small, there will always be some people who think they saw something they
>> didn't. Did they see the boxes? NO! Did they see the scope? NO! So how do
>> the WC defenders and the nutters place any value on what these to CRAZYs
>> have to say?
Many many many eyewitnesses watched the limo as it went on through the Elm Underpass. That is why they ran down to the knoll area and up the hill cause they thought the limo went that way? No hardly. They went down there because that's where they thought the shot came from. Some saw smoke and others saw flashes of light coming from that area. But did the FBI ask about a hundred of the witnesses? The answer is no! Most were not asked at all. Most were not questioned at all. And some witnesses statements did not make it into the record. And a lot of them who did make a statement was not called to testify because it didn't support the nut theory. And the ones who claimed 3 shots and that they saw a rifle said they did not see a scope on the rifle. Enius claimed to see the shooter's hand on the trigger, but did not see the large scope on the rifle.
