Joan Mellen Article in (where else) Paranoia Magazine
John McAdams
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John, Mellen's Paranoia article demonstrates her specialty -- creative
writing - just like her Garrison book. It is full of falsehoods stating at
the beginning writing about "false defectors", naming Oswald as one.
They never existed. I would like to see her interview, and polygraph,
any. She ends by including a number of former CIA personnel as part of
the assassination including 'Counterintelligence" member Cord Meyer who
was actually CA (cover action). I did one task with him.
s/f Dolan
Perry Mason
You happen to mentions Cord Meyer, Jr. in relationship to Joan Mellen's
writing. That is also corroborated by E. Howard Hunt's recorded deathbed
confession to pre-knowledge by Hunt, by his son Saint Joseph, who made a
copy, as E.Howard Hunt wanted it back upon an improvement of his condition.
Cord Meyer,Jr. in that recording was described by him as LBJ's point man,
and other info. FWIW
Go ahead an prove there was no "false defector program", because I do not
believe you can.
Perry Mason
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John McAdams
wrote:
>ishtar26o,
> You happen to mentions Cord Meyer, Jr. in relationship to Joan Mellen's
>writing. That is also corroborated by E. Howard Hunt's recorded deathbed
>confession to pre-knowledge by Hunt, by his son Saint Joseph, who made a
>copy, as E.Howard Hunt wanted it back upon an improvement of his condition.
>Cord Meyer,Jr. in that recording was described by him as LBJ's point man,
>and other info. FWIW
> Go ahead an prove there was no "false defector program", because I do not
>believe you can.
>
What evidence do you have of any such program?
.John
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> ishtar26o,
> You happen to mentions Cord Meyer, Jr. in relationship to Joan Mellen's
> writing. That is also corroborated by E. Howard Hunt's recorded deathbed
> confession to pre-knowledge by Hunt, by his son Saint Joseph, who made a
> copy, as E.Howard Hunt wanted it back upon an improvement of his condition.
> Cord Meyer,Jr. in that recording was described by him as LBJ's point man,
> and other info. FWIW
> Go ahead an prove there was no "false defector program", because I do not
> believe you can.
First you should prove there was such a program and what was its purpose.
Then explain why Oswald was chosen and what he was supposed to do without
any training.
As for evidence that such a program did not exist, it is a tenet of
clandestine operations that your person is not put into a hostile
environment unless he/she can be protected and, when necessary. extracted.
Sending a supposed '"fake defecter"mto the USSR at that time would be
sending a person to his death. There was no assurance he would not be
broken and exposed, and not be able to be extracted. His asshes could be
returned with the assertion he committed suicide.
s/f Dolan
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She lies abour David Atlee Phillips being involved in JFK's assassination,
Fonzi made that accusation in a magazine article, Phillips sued for libel.
Fonzi unable to prove that he wrote the truth invoked the Sullivan - it is
okay to lie about a "public figure is malice was not involved. Fonzi
claimed Phillips would be unable to prove malice. The case was dismissed.
Fonzi waited until after Phillips died before publishing his book with the
same accusation.
After Fonzi got out from under, his friend, Anthony Summers, wrote the
same in an article published by the British Observer newspapers. Phillips
sued again in the UK, Summers fled to Ireland before he could be served
with papers leaving the Observers holding the bag. After a lengthy trial,
and the observer unable to find witnesses to come to London and testify
under oath, they admitted there was no evidence to support Summers,
apologized, paid, and stated in court that Phillips was not involved.
In a third libel suit against authors of a book stating Phillips had
ties to Oswald, Phillips won with those sued admitting there was no
evidence.
Anthony Marsh
The CIA sends agents to their certain deaths routinely.
> s/f Dolan
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Oh? Tell us about since you claim total knowledge of ALL CIA activities.
Give examples of this routine. I recall my last run in with you, Marsh,
when you when you posted FALSE information on the U-2. My rebuttal is
still there with quotes, something you were unable to do
s/f Dolan.
Anthony Marsh
I have never claimed total knowledge of ALL CIA activities. Not even
someone who has been in the CIA can claim that, although you do make
such claims, falsely.
> Give examples of this routine. I recall my last run in with you, Marsh,
> when you when you posted FALSE information on the U-2. My rebuttal is
> still there with quotes, something you were unable to do
>
I gave plenty of quotes, from experts and from official CIA documents.
You did not.
> s/f Dolan.
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You certainly act like you do, Obviously you are ducking and cannot come
up with anything to show that CIA sends "agents" to their deaths
routinely. I take it you are admitting you lied.
>
> > Give examples of this routine. I recall my last run in with you, Marsh,
> > when you when you posted FALSE information on the U-2. My rebuttal is
> > still there with quotes, something you were unable to do
>
> I gave plenty of quotes, from experts and from official CIA documents.
> You did not.
That too is a fabrication, You never , never quoted anything of the sort
as I pointed out in the last exchange on the U-2. I quoted from CIA's
release on the OXCART that roved your claim FALSE. Perhaps you would dare
to QUOTE CIA, if you dare, but I doubt you will. YOU NEVER HAVE, NEVER.
s/f Dolan
Anthony Marsh
You know that the rules of this newsgroup forbid you from accusing a
fellow poster of lying. Some of the CIA assassination plots against Castro
were suicide missions. Some of the agents sent to Moscow by Aldrich Ames
were meant to be killed. Some of the missions in Vietnam were expected to
result in the agents being captured and killed.
>>> Give examples of this routine. I recall my last run in with you, Marsh,
>>> when you when you posted FALSE information on the U-2. My rebuttal is
>>> still there with quotes, something you were unable to do
>> I gave plenty of quotes, from experts and from official CIA documents.
>> You did not.
>
> That too is a fabrication, You never , never quoted anything of the sort
> as I pointed out in the last exchange on the U-2. I quoted from CIA's
> release on the OXCART that roved your claim FALSE. Perhaps you would dare
> to QUOTE CIA, if you dare, but I doubt you will. YOU NEVER HAVE, NEVER.
>
I did so several times.
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I don't know what "experts" you quoted but the U-2 NEVER flew ti
80,000 feet
> ...and from official CIA documents. YOU NEVER QUOTED FRO ANY CIA
DOCUMENT SAYING THE U-2 FLEW AT 80,000 FEET.
> You did not.
That is a fabrication as I quoted from one of Lockheeds engineers when he
stated at the release of the U-2 story that the highest they were able to
get was 75,000 feet I also quoted from the OXCART release of last year
that stated the U -2 didn't get over 72,000 feet.
>
> > s/f Dolan.
Anthony Marsh
Again, you misstate what I said. I never said it flew at 80,000 feet. What
you said was that it could never even get as high as 70,000 feet. That is
what I disproved. Anything above 80,000 was concerning your claim that no
aircraft has EVER gone that high. They go 100,000 feet now all the time.
>> ...and from official CIA documents. YOU NEVER QUOTED FRO ANY CIA
> DOCUMENT SAYING THE U-2 FLEW AT 80,000 FEET.
>
Because that was never my claim. My claim was that your claim of lower
than 70,000 was wrong.
>> You did not.
>
> That is a fabrication as I quoted from one of Lockheeds engineers when he
> stated at the release of the U-2 story that the highest they were able to
> get was 75,000 feet I also quoted from the OXCART release of last year
> that stated the U -2 didn't get over 72,000 feet.
>
Then you disproved your own claim because you said they could not even
get as high as 70,000 feet.
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>>> s/f Dolan.
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