LBJ comment to Madeline Brown on 21 November 1963
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said to her at a Party of Texas Oil Businessmen including Richard Nixon on
21/11/63 that "after tomorrow those Kennedys will embarrass me no more"
Very interesting comment as there is also a photograph taken on Air Force
One on the tarmac at Dallas Airport when LBJ was being sworn in as the
36th President of US and he turned to a Congressman from Texas who winked
at him just as the swearing in process was concluding.
HPW...@gmail.com
Albert Thomas. Some are convinced that JFK was persuaded to visit Texas to
honor this man. He was dying of cancer.
Do you know what is written on the back of the print? "not to be released
EVER" stamped "White House" The negative was the only missing frame from
that roll. You can imagine my surprise when I discovered this print in the
LBJ Library.
curtjester1
Is this something you still have in your possession? This is
astounding!
CJ
curtjester1
There are some videos that are around (type in google 'you tube -
madeleine brown') that show some of the employed recalling what they
knew of the party that night.
CJ
tomnln
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CJ
HERE IT IS>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/you_asked_for_it.htm
firefly
Day and everlasting punishment upon all the accused.
No one gets away with anything.
---firefly
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Anthony Marsh
I doubt it. I believe he is talking about the Stoughton photos and the
original negatives are in the JFK Library. I have seen that set and
there is no such notation. What someone may have written on the back of
one copy print means little.
Jas
blather:
"Indeed, Dallas assassination researcher David Perry has conducted a
very extensive investigation into all of Brown's allegations, and there is
no question in his mind that not only weren't LBJ and Hoover at the party,
but there was no such party. Perry gathered several pieces of evidence
debunking Brown's 'party' story. For one, he learned that Clint Murchison
Sr., at whose home the party allegedly took place, was in ill health at
the time, dating from a stroke in 1958, and had moved out of his Dallas
home four years earlier, turning over the ownership of the home to one of
his three sons, John, and John's wife Lupe. In 2002, Perry interviewed
Mrs. Eula Tilley, the wife of Clint Sr.'s chauffeur, Warren Tilley, who
could not speak at the time because of throat cancer. She told Perry,
'Both Warren and I worked for Mr. Murchison for a long time. He had seven
houses, you know...I know he wasn't at any party when Kennedy was shot. He
did not have a home in the Dallas area. He was at his Glade Oaks Ranch
between Athens and Palestine [Texas, about 120 miles southeast of Dallas].
I'm not sure how long before the assassination we were at the ranch but it
was more than a few days. I remember because I was serving lunch to Mr.
Murchinson and his neighbor Woffard Cain. On of them said Kennedy had been
shot.'
Additionally, a party the likes of which Brown spoke of, with
luminaries such as Nixon, LBJ, and Hoover attending, would have
automatically made the next morning's newspapers -- at least the
entertainment and society sections if not the daily news. Perry therefore
scoured the papers ('Dallas Morning News' and 'Dallas Times Herald') but
found no reference to any such party. Perry makes the telling point that
after all of his investigation, 'The only person I know of who claimed [he
or] she was actually at the [alleged] party was the late Madeleine Brown.'
[LBJ]
Brown hardly deserves this rebuttal, but she says that LBJ was at the
Murchison party in Dallas the evening before the assassination, but
couldn't have been if he had wanted to because he was in Houston that
night, about 225 miles away. 'I was chairman of a huge dinner in Houston
honoring Albert Thomas that Thursday night,' LBJ aide Jack Valenti says,
and, 'the two speakers were the vice president and the president. I rode
in a car with LBJ to the [Houston] airport and we flew on Air Force Two to
Fort Worth, where we talked at the Texas hotel until one in the morning [1
a.m., November 22, 1963.]'
[Hoover]
What about Hoover? Hoover would have had a difficult time making it to
the party. His daily log shows that he was at his office starting at 8:57
in the morning of November 21, 1963, and left the office at 5:14 p.m. On
Friday morning he was back in his office at 9:00 a.m., leaving at 6:01
p.m. If someone wants to believe that on Thursday evening, after leaving
his office at 5:14 p.m., Hoover raced to the airport to catch a flight to
Dallas for the alleged party with Murchison, Nixon, and others, then took
a red-eye (did they even have red-eyes back then?) back to Washington
D.C., that night or caught a 4:00 or 5:00 a.m. flight the next morning, I
guess there's nothing I can do to stop him.
[Nixon]
And as far as Nixon was concerned (Nixon was a partner in a New York
City law firm that represented Pepsi and he was in town attending a soft
drink bottler's convention), if he came to the party he had to be a very
late show because on the night before the assassination, he had a
'ringside' seat with a group from Pepsi that included actress Joan
Crawford, the wife of Pepsi's CEO, listening to a performance by French
singer Robert Clary in the Empire Room of Dallas' Statler Hilton. Tony
Zoppi, the entertainment writer for the 'Dallas Morning News,' was there
that night, and told Gary Mack, the Sixth Floor Museum's curator, that
when he left the Empire Room around a quarter to eleven to file his story
before deadline for the next morning's edition, Nixon was still there with
this group." (Vincent Bugliosi, "Reclaiming History," pp. 1278-1279.)
James
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If you go to http://www.angelfire.com/planet/bozotexino/ you will see the
back of the photo. This print is in the public domain because taxpayer
money funded it. The number at the top "1A-20-63" means...first roll of
Presidency....exposure 20.....1963. This print is available to researchers
at the LBJ Library. The negative (#20) is clipped out of the roll and has
long since disappeared. The print remains in the collection, much to my
amazement. It is the only copy known to exist of this photo...that one
print of LBJ smiling (apparently) and looking back at a winking Albert
Thomas.
Here is the image on the LBJ website. They couldn't deny they had it.
A researcher had already found it.
http://redbud.lbjlib.utexas.edu/johnson/kennedy/Oath%20of%20Office/1A-20-WH63.htm
curtjester1
> The whole Madeleine Brown thing has been dismissed as more junk conspiracy
> blather:
>
http://hubpages.com/hub/Madeleine_Duncan_Brown
Subject: JFK Mistress Speaks Out --- Prisonplanet.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79lOKs0Kr_Y
The Murchison Party (M. Brown, May Newman)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=awGbwIIIYug&feature=related
J. Edgar Hoover, Oil Friends, and 'Non-Existant' Mafia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fqMA9YV3ks&feature=related
The help came to rescue Madeleine.
CJ
> <racewar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> > Did everyone see the interview with Madeline Brown who stated that LBJ
> > said to her at a Party of Texas Oil Businessmen including Richard Nixon on
> > 21/11/63 that "after tomorrow those Kennedys will embarrass me no more"
> > Very interesting comment as there is also a photograph taken on Air Force
> > One on the tarmac at Dallas Airport when LBJ was being sworn in as the
> > 36th President of US and he turned to a Congressman from Texas who winked
> > at him just as the swearing in process was concluding.- Hide quoted text -
Anthony Marsh
Some of that story was already known. That photo appears at the bottom
of page 47 of Richard Trask's excellent book "Pictures of the Pain"
published by Yeoman Press in 1994. The caption under it reads:
The original negative to the next to the last photo is missing and this
reproduced frame is from a copy negative made of an original print.
_____________________________________________
We assume that the hand written notation you point out is on the back of
the original print.
It seems that someone at the LBJ Library wanted to cover it up because
it shows LBJ's crony winking at him, which has been interpreted by some
conspiracy believers as proof that LBJ was behind the assassination.
Amazing how these bozos think that they are covering things up when they
don't even realize that copies were made.
Like the leaking of the autopsy photos.
HPW...@gmail.com
> tomnln wrote:
>
> > "curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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The original negatives (minus #20) are very definitely in the possession
of the LBJ Library and Museum in Austin, Texas. The former head of AV
Archives, E. Philip Scott, made an official notation of the missing frame
from the roll of 35mm black and white negatives. As I said, there is only
one print from that negative (frame #20) known to exist. It is in the LBJ
collection, not the JFK.
What I show on http://www.angelfire.com/planet/bozotexino/ is very
definitely what was written on the back of that print. The only thing I
cannot understand is how the print survived, considering that the negative
was removed from the roll and someone wrote this on the back.
If anyone goes to the LBJ Library and asks to see it, they can verify that
it is exactly as I have presented it.
HPW...@gmail.com
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Now at the bottom of a long web page at http://www.angelfire.com/planet/bozotexino/
One of my projects at the LBJ Library was scanning every single
Presidential image, starting with this roll.
HPW...@gmail.com
> HPW...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Apr 30, 1:03 pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Apr 29, 8:36 pm, HPW...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >>> On Apr 29, 9:33 pm, racewar...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Did everyone see the interview with Madeline Brown who stated that LBJ
> >>>> said to her at a Party of Texas Oil Businessmen including Richard Nixon on
> >>>> 21/11/63 that "after tomorrow those Kennedys will embarrass me no more"
> >>>> Very interesting comment as there is also a photograph taken on Air Force
> >>>> One on the tarmac at Dallas Airport when LBJ was being sworn in as the
> >>>> 36th President of US and he turned to a Congressman from Texas who winked
> >>>> at him just as the swearing in process was concluding.
> >>> Albert Thomas. Some are convinced that JFK was persuaded to visit Texas to
> >>> honor this man. He was dying of cancer.
> >>> Do you know what is written on the back of the print? "not to be released
> >>> EVER" stamped "White House" The negative was the only missing frame from
> >>> that roll. You can imagine my surprise when I discovered this print in the
> >>> LBJ Library.
> >> Is this something you still have in your possession? This is
> >> astounding!
>
> >> CJ- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > back of the photo. This print is in the public domain because taxpayer
> > money funded it. The number at the top "1A-20-63" means...first roll of
> > Presidency....exposure 20.....1963. This print is available to researchers
> > at the LBJ Library. The negative (#20) is clipped out of the roll and has
> > long since disappeared. The print remains in the collection, much to my
> > amazement. It is the only copy known to exist of this photo...that one
> > print of LBJ smiling (apparently) and looking back at a winking Albert
> > Thomas.
>
> > Here is the image on the LBJ website. They couldn't deny they had it.
> > A researcher had already found it.
>
>
> Some of that story was already known. That photo appears at the bottom
> of page 47 of Richard Trask's excellent book "Pictures of the Pain"
> published by Yeoman Press in 1994. The caption under it reads:
>
> The original negative to the next to the last photo is missing and this
> reproduced frame is from a copy negative made of an original print.
> _____________________________________________
>
> We assume that the hand written notation you point out is on the back of
> the original print.
> It seems that someone at the LBJ Library wanted to cover it up because
> it shows LBJ's crony winking at him, which has been interpreted by some
> conspiracy believers as proof that LBJ was behind the assassination.
> Amazing how these bozos think that they are covering things up when they
> don't even realize that copies were made.
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well, it's impossible to tell when that note was put on the back. Just
because it is written on a White House notepad doesn't mean anything.
There are stacks of all sorts of notepads. I'll put an example at the
bottom of http://www.angelfire.com/planet/bozotexino/
So, it's possible that someone put that on there at the library....Lady
Bird or Lynda or even Harry Middleton. There is a vault downstairs that
holds very restricted access material. I was never allowed in. The FBI and
CIA have been through all of our stuff more than once. Things have a
tendency to disappear.
But, perhaps the JFK library had a full set and so the image was already
out anyway. You said you saw them there?
Still....it's a mystery to me why they would still have those images up on
there website at all. I suppose they are making a show of having "nothing
to hide". They aren't bozos and they knew there were copies.
Have you ever heard LBJ's phone conversations with Jacqueline Kennedy
after the assassination? CREEPY! The library had to be sued to release
those tapes, by the way.
I can tell you that the photos taken right after the assassination show
LBJ smiling a lot and the all of the Kennedys in shock and NEVER smiling.
Well, you know, he was on his way to prison and then suddenly he's
President and all of those investigations came to a screeching halt. No
wonder he was smiling.
Anthony Marsh
I have no doubt that it was some LBJ sycophant who penned it. That does
not make it official.
> But, perhaps the JFK library had a full set and so the image was already
> out anyway. You said you saw them there?
>
Yes.
> Still....it's a mystery to me why they would still have those images up on
> there website at all. I suppose they are making a show of having "nothing
> to hide". They aren't bozos and they knew there were copies.
>
> Have you ever heard LBJ's phone conversations with Jacqueline Kennedy
> after the assassination? CREEPY! The library had to be sued to release
> those tapes, by the way.
>
The Kennedy Library has refused to release transcripts of 4 or 5 WH
tapes from the Kennedy administration which they destroyed.
geovu...@gmail.com
> On May 11, 5:52 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > HPW...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Apr 30, 1:03 pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On Apr 29, 8:36 pm, HPW...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > >>> On Apr 29, 9:33 pm, racewar...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >>>> Did everyone see the interview with Madeline Brown who stated that LBJ
> > >>>> said to her at a Party of Texas Oil Businessmen including Richard Nixon on
> > >>>> 21/11/63 that "after tomorrow those Kennedys will embarrass me no more"
> > >>>> Very interesting comment as there is also a photograph taken on Air Force
> > >>>> One on the tarmac at Dallas Airport when LBJ was being sworn in as the
> > >>>> 36th President of US and he turned to a Congressman from Texas who winked
> > >>>> at him just as the swearing in process was concluding.
> > >>> Albert Thomas. Some are convinced that JFK was persuaded to visit Texas to
> > >>> honor this man. He was dying of cancer.
> > >>> Do you know what is written on the back of the print? "not to be released
> > >>> EVER" stamped "White House" The negative was the only missing frame from
> > >>> that roll. You can imagine my surprise when I discovered this print in the
> > >>> LBJ Library.
> > >> Is this something you still have in your possession? This is
> > >> astounding!
>
> > >> CJ- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >> - Show quoted text -
>
>
> So, it's possible that someone put that on there at the library....Lady
> Bird or Lynda or even Harry Middleton. There is a vault downstairs that
> holds very restricted access material. I was never allowed in. The FBI and
> CIA have been through all of our stuff more than once. Things have a
> tendency to disappear.
>
> But, perhaps the JFK library had a full set and so the image was already
> out anyway. You said you saw them there?
>
> Still....it's a mystery to me why they would still have those images up on
> there website at all. I suppose they are making a show of having "nothing
> to hide". They aren't bozos and they knew there were copies.
>
> Have you ever heard LBJ's phone conversations with Jacqueline Kennedy
> after the assassination? CREEPY! The library had to be sued to release
> those tapes, by the way.
>
> I can tell you that the photos taken right after the assassination show
> LBJ smiling a lot and the all of the Kennedys in shock and NEVER smiling.
>
> Well, you know, he was on his way to prison and then suddenly he's
> President and all of those investigations came to a screeching halt. No
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yes, the only thing this photo is proof of is the fact that LBJ had
zero class. Of course, we already knew that. There just isn't much
more you can really read into it.