Did Oswald have any bullets?
Deepfish
Did Oswald have any bullets?
It might sound like a silly question, but I’ve been unable to find
this answer.
This has nagged me for some time. We are talking about the murder
weapon - Right? I figure this esteemed group might be able to answer
my question.
By my estimation, Oswald needed 50 bullets - minimum.
(all them were special order)
So here is the question:
Are there any bullets associated with Oswald
Any Ammo boxes (they don’t sell bullets one at a time, you know)
Extra Loaded clips
Gun shop receipts
Did any gun shop come forward and say Oswald was a customer.
Naturally, this excludes the bullets in the guns, or drop guns, if
you prefer.
Hard to be a gunman without bullets.
Well, with your gun, you can intimidate people or hit them on
the head.
That is not JFK.
Sincerely,
The Deepfish
Did Oswald have any bullets?
bigdog
We know Oswald had at least 5 bullets. The one he fired at Walker, the 3
he fired at JFK, and the one he left in the chamber.
I don't know what gun shops you frequent by I have bought lots of
ammunition in boxes of less than 50 rounds. For specialty ammo, I have
bought in lots of as little as 6 rounds. Typically, I buy larger ammo in
boxes of 20 rounds. I don't know what sized lots WCC 6.5mm rounds were
sold in. If you think it is significant, why don't you try to find out.
As for records of gun shop purchases, none would have been required in
Texas. Since we know he had bought ammo prior to the Walker shooting,
there is no reason to believe he would have kept the receipt all that
time. There is no reason to think that anyone would have remembered Oswald
buying the ammo.
John Fiorentino
Your question most rightly has 2 answers.
"Did Oswald have any bullets?"........................YES
Is there any evidence he ever purchased any ammunition?.............NO
John F.
"Deepfish" <Swis...@bluewin.ch> wrote in message
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From the Deepfish,
Did Oswald have any bullets?
It might sound like a silly question, but I�ve been unable to find
this answer.
This has nagged me for some time. We are talking about the murder
weapon - Right? I figure this esteemed group might be able to answer
my question.
By my estimation, Oswald needed 50 bullets - minimum.
(all them were special order)
So here is the question:
Are there any bullets associated with Oswald
Any Ammo boxes (they don�t sell bullets one at a time, you know)
David Von Pein
>>> "Did Oswald have any bullets?" <<<
He obviously had enough to do the job in Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63.
I always get a kick out of the conspiracy theorists who seem to think
that finding an answer to this type of question is essential in order
to arrive at the conclusion that Oswald killed Kennedy.
But, quite naturally, it isn't essential at all.
Why?
Because:
1.) We know beyond all doubt that BULLETS FROM THE GUN OSWALD OWNED were
fired at JFK in Dealey Plaza.
2.) And we know beyond all REASONABLE DOUBT that Lee Oswald (the owner of
that gun) was doing the shooting from his workplace.
So the lingering questions of "Where did he buy his bullets?" and "Exactly
how many bullets did Oswald have in his personal inventory of ammunition
as of 12:30 PM CST on November 22, 1963?" are actually rather meaningless
inquiries in the long run.
Would a prosecutor in a bank robbery case have to prove to the jury WHERE
the defendant bought the bullets he used to kill the bank teller?
Or: Would that same prosecutor be forced to prove WHERE the bank robber
bought the gasoline that was in the tank of the getaway car in order for
the jury to find the defendant guilty?
Food for thought.
(It's silly food for thought. But most things brought up by JFK conspiracy
theorists are silly, of course. So, it's merely par for the CTer course.)
http://www.DVP-Potpourri.blogspot.com
d.wigg
Oz had .38 cal ammo in his revolver & in his pant pockets.
Anthony Marsh
> On Jan 13, 2:11 pm, Deepfish<Swissg...@bluewin.ch> wrote:
>> From the Deepfish,
>>
>> Did Oswald have any bullets?
>> this answer.
>> This has nagged me for some time. We are talking about the murder
>> weapon - Right? I figure this esteemed group might be able to answer
>> my question.
>>
>> By my estimation, Oswald needed 50 bullets - minimum.
>> (all them were special order)
>>
>> So here is the question:
>>
>> Are there any bullets associated with Oswald
>> Extra Loaded clips
>> Gun shop receipts
>> Did any gun shop come forward and say Oswald was a customer.
>> Naturally, this excludes the bullets in the guns, or drop guns, if
>> you prefer.
>> Hard to be a gunman without bullets.
>> Well, with your gun, you can intimidate people or hit them on
>> the head.
>> That is not JFK.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> The Deepfish
>>
>> Did Oswald have any bullets?
>
> Oz had .38 cal ammo in his revolver& in his pant pockets.
>
I think his main concern was the Mannlicher-Carcano ammo.
Anthony Marsh
>
>>>> "Did Oswald have any bullets?"<<<
>
> He obviously had enough to do the job in Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63.
>
> I always get a kick out of the conspiracy theorists who seem to think
> that finding an answer to this type of question is essential in order
> to arrive at the conclusion that Oswald killed Kennedy.
>
> But, quite naturally, it isn't essential at all.
>
> Why?
>
> Because:
>
> 1.) We know beyond all doubt that BULLETS FROM THE GUN OSWALD OWNED were
> fired at JFK in Dealey Plaza.
>
> 2.) And we know beyond all REASONABLE DOUBT that Lee Oswald (the owner of
> that gun) was doing the shooting from his workplace.
>
You don't know that. You assume that. Curry said he couldn't prove it.
Anthony Marsh
> On Jan 13, 3:11 pm, Deepfish<Swissg...@bluewin.ch> wrote:
>> From the Deepfish,
>>
>> Did Oswald have any bullets?
>> this answer.
>> This has nagged me for some time. We are talking about the murder
>> weapon - Right? I figure this esteemed group might be able to answer
>> my question.
>>
>> By my estimation, Oswald needed 50 bullets - minimum.
>> (all them were special order)
>>
>> So here is the question:
>>
>> Are there any bullets associated with Oswald
>> Extra Loaded clips
>> Gun shop receipts
>> Did any gun shop come forward and say Oswald was a customer.
>> Naturally, this excludes the bullets in the guns, or drop guns, if
>> you prefer.
>> Hard to be a gunman without bullets.
>> Well, with your gun, you can intimidate people or hit them on
>> the head.
>> That is not JFK.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> The Deepfish
>>
>> Did Oswald have any bullets?
>
> We know Oswald had at least 5 bullets. The one he fired at Walker, the 3
> he fired at JFK, and the one he left in the chamber.
>
> I don't know what gun shops you frequent by I have bought lots of
> ammunition in boxes of less than 50 rounds. For specialty ammo, I have
Why are you talking like that? Because you don't know the facts.
The WCC M-C ammo was sold in boxes of 20 rounds.
> bought in lots of as little as 6 rounds. Typically, I buy larger ammo in
I bought 6 loose rounds of SMI at a gunshop just to get the clip.
> boxes of 20 rounds. I don't know what sized lots WCC 6.5mm rounds were
> sold in. If you think it is significant, why don't you try to find out.
>
Yes, that's what I said before. You know nothing. So you are free to guess.
> As for records of gun shop purchases, none would have been required in
> Texas. Since we know he had bought ammo prior to the Walker shooting,
> there is no reason to believe he would have kept the receipt all that
> time. There is no reason to think that anyone would have remembered Oswald
> buying the ammo.
>
Especially with all the tons of junk he had saved which the DPD cataloged.
Mason did not WANT to remember selling the assassin the ammo. No one in
Texas did.
John Fiorentino
I agree with much of what you say, but these are legitimate questions in
this case, and would be also in many other examples of criminal cases that
you mention.
John F.
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Deepfish
From the Deepfish,
Thank-you all for your interesting, and very entertaining posts.
As you probably realize I am trying to find a direct link between
Oswald and his guns.
That would be the bullets.
We don’t want any “drop guns” hanging around,
right!
Unfortunately , I have not gotten
that link.
Oswald was probably was the only man in Texas to
own these guns.
Antique, obsolete, world war one gun with very hard to
find, handmade Italian bullets.
The 38 automatic bullets are right out
of James Bond.
And yes, he needed 50 bullets
combined - minumum
So---
Show me the bullets!
Where did he get this stuff -- Oh, Chicago
- naturally.
Oswald is my prime suspect, make no doubt about that, but he needs
bullets to even get started.
I hate to be cynical, But there are problems here. Well, its not my
fight. I just do what I can.
Sincerely,
The Deepfish
P.S. I wish Sam and Peter would weight in here, they are our
librarians.
I Could use a little help here guys!
David Von Pein
>>> "I agree with much of what you say, but these are legitimate questions
The questions that CTers seem to think are mandatory to answer and to
reconcile -- "WHERE DID OSWALD BUY HIS BULLETS & EXACTLY HOW MANY BULLETS
DID HE BUY?" -- are most certainly NOT questions that need to be answered
in THIS CASE in order to know that Lee Oswald killed JFK.
And I'm rather surprised that you, John F., actually think that those
questions ARE important (i.e., "legitimate") in "this case". Very strange
indeed.
John Fiorentino
have the time right now.
However, you might wish to consider this...........If they weren't so
important, then why did the FBI go to such lengths to answer them?
"........in order to know that Lee Oswald killed JFK."
Of course, that was not the only issue confronting the Federal
authorities.
BTW - legitimate does not equal "mandatory."
Finally, the Warren Commission flubbed it in several regards re: the WCC
ammunition.
Please don't confuse my statements with the notion that I question
Oswald's guilt. I believe he did it, and he acted alone.
John F.
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John Fiorentino
If your questions were clearer, that would aid you in getting the answers
you seek.
John F.
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From the Deepfish,
Thank-you all for your interesting, and very entertaining posts.
As you probably realize I am trying to find a direct link between
Oswald and his guns.
That would be the bullets.
We don?t want any ?drop guns? hanging around,
bigdog
Can you name another murder case in which the prosecution was required to
prove where the accused acquired the bullets? That would be an unrealistic
requirement. There is no paper trail of ammunition sales. You walk into a
gun store, put down your money, and walk out with the ammo. There is no
evidence where Oswald got his ammo because there should be no evidence
where he got his ammo. What we do know is that he did get the ammo and
that ammo was used to kill JFK. Do you have records of someone else buying
the 6.5mm bullets?
Anthony Marsh
> On Jan 15, 12:05 am, Deepfish<Swissg...@bluewin.ch> wrote:
>> From the Deepfish,
>> Thank-you all for your interesting, and very entertaining posts.
>> As you probably realize I am trying to find a direct link between
>> Oswald and his guns.
>> That would be the bullets.
>>
Of course there is a paper trail when buying ammo. What you mean is that
there was no paper trail back in 1963. But the paper trail for the rifle
lead right to Oswald's alias.
> evidence where Oswald got his ammo because there should be no evidence
> where he got his ammo. What we do know is that he did get the ammo and
> that ammo was used to kill JFK. Do you have records of someone else buying
> the 6.5mm bullets?
>
Not that box, but Mason bought several boxes. No one knows exactly how
many people in Dallas owned the same type of rifle.
John Fiorentino
many criminal cases to determine these things.
As I mentioned in my previous post, the FBI expended much effort in trying
to answer these very questions. Do you think they simply had nothing
better to do?
BTW, (If I might ask a question for a change)............Are you familiar
with the details of the WCC 6.5mm ammunition?
John F.
"bigdog" <jecorb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 15, 12:05 am, Deepfish <Swissg...@bluewin.ch> wrote:
> From the Deepfish,
> Thank-you all for your interesting, and very entertaining posts.
> As you probably realize I am trying to find a direct link between
> Oswald and his guns.
> That would be the bullets.
>
> We don?t want any ?drop guns? hanging around,
yeuhd
wrote:
> "I Could use a little help here guys!"
>
> If your questions were clearer, that would aid you in getting the answers
> you seek.
>
> John F.
>
> Oswald was probably was the only man in Texas to
> own these guns.
Deepfish, what is your evidence for this claim?
The Warren Report says, "The 91/38 has been imported into this country
as surplus military equipment, has been advertised quite widely, and
is now fairly common in this country."
H.L. Green Company, on Main Street in Dallas, sold 6.5 mm Italian
Carcano rifles in 1963:
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh11/html/WC_Vol11_0108b.htm
Green had in stock a "large number" of these rifles:
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh11/html/WC_Vol11_0109a.htm
> Antique, obsolete, world war one gun with very hard to
> find, handmade Italian bullets.
Oswald's Model 91/38 Carcano was designed in 1938 and manufactured in
1940, only 23 years before he bought it. The equivalent today of a
rifle made in 1987.
Firearms expert Robert Frazier testified to the WC that 2 million
rounds of 6.5 mm Carcano cartridges were imported to the United States
in one lot alone:
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh3/html/WC_Vol3_0212b.htm
If we distribute those by state population, that would mean 107,000
rounds to Texas from that one lot. (Texas had 5.3% of the U.S.
population in 1960.)
> And yes, he needed 50 bullets
> combined - minumum [minimum]
Why did he "need" 50 bullets?
bigdog
wrote:
> Respectfully, you're off the beam here. It is often quite important, in
> many criminal cases to determine these things.
>
> As I mentioned in my previous post, the FBI expended much effort in trying
> to answer these very questions. Do you think they simply had nothing
> better to do?
>
> BTW, (If I might ask a question for a change)............Are you familiar
> with the details of the WCC 6.5mm ammunition?
>
> John F.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
It could aid in the prosecution of a murder case if it could be proven
where and when the accused acquired the ammunition but that is not a
necessity. The prosector's purpose is to prove the accused delivered the
bullets to the victim, not where he got them. I have sat on a jury in a
murder case and the issue of where the accused bought the bullets was
never raised and we as a jury didn't think it was a necessary piece of
information. We convicted the guy without knowing that.
As for the details of the 6.5mm WCC ammo, what details are you talking
about?
John Fiorentino
the law for close to 2 decades, but I won't......
The pertinent facts sir are relative to the case. In this case, the
government was concerned with a possible conspiracy.
It's interesting that you simply blew off my comments re: the extensive
effort by the FBI.
And that you answered my last question...with a question.
John F.
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Anthony Marsh
> On Jan 15, 4:06 pm, "John Fiorentino"<johnfiorent...@optonline.net>
> wrote:
>> "I Could use a little help here guys!"
>>
>> If your questions were clearer, that would aid you in getting the answers
>> you seek.
>>
>> John F.
>>
>> "Deepfish"<Swissg...@bluewin.ch> wrote in message
>> Oswald was probably was the only man in Texas to
>> own these guns.
>
> Deepfish, what is your evidence for this claim?
>
> The Warren Report says, "The 91/38 has been imported into this country
> as surplus military equipment, has been advertised quite widely, and
> is now fairly common in this country."
>
> H.L. Green Company, on Main Street in Dallas, sold 6.5 mm Italian
> Carcano rifles in 1963:
>
> http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh11/html/WC_Vol11_0108b.htm
>
Thanks. He doesn't say how many they sold, but obviously a few. A long
time ago I asked if anyone had a good guess of how many of the
Mannlicher-Carcanos were owned in the Dallas area. My point was that IF
the DPD had correctly identified the Walker bullet as having been fired
from a Mannlicher-Carcano they could have used good old fashioned shoe
leather to track down every owner of a Mannlicher-Carcano in the Dallas
area and if they found Oswald then Oswald might have been in jail on
11/22/63.
> Green had in stock a "large number" of these rifles:
>
> http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh11/html/WC_Vol11_0109a.htm
>
I remember seeing an ad from a Fort Worth store for Mannlicher Carcanos,
but I don't remember the name of the store.
WhiskyJoe
The bullets can not be traced to Oswald. So that
means it wasn't Oswald who killed JFK. But the
bullets can not be traced to anyone else.
So that means no one killed JFK with bullets.
So it must have been the umbrella man with a
poison dart all along.
bigdog
WhiskyJoe, haven't you figured out the rules of the game by now? Only
those accusing Oswald of the crime are required to provide 100% positive
proof of every aspect of the case. 99% certainty of any piece of evidence
against him establishes reasonable doubt. On the other hand, anyone and
everyone else can be accused of the crime simply on suspiscion and
speculation. No evidence is necessary. CTs operate on the theoretical
fringes. Only LNs must provide hard evidence.
Anthony Marsh
False logic. Straw man argument.
John Fiorentino
"Only LNs must provide hard evidence."
I'm a lone nut. But I do believe in this particular case, the effort
expended by the FBI was quite justified.
John F.
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cdddraftsman
> From the Deepfish,
> Thank-you all for your interesting, and very entertaining posts.
> As you probably realize I am trying to find a direct link between
> Oswald and his guns.
>
>
"Oswalds Bullets : Kennedy Bullets Both From Oswalds Guns" ....
Fragments of both bullets that struck Kennedy were recovered and all
bore the taletail scratches seen here from the rifling of Oswalds
gun , which showed they came out of Oswalds gun to the exclusion of
all other guns . The comparisions are shown here for bullets 399
(top) , the neck bullet , and fragments 567 (middle) and 569 (bottom)
of the head bullet" . (National Archives)
Dr. John K. Lattimer
Kennedy and Lincoln
Page 286 Fig. 116
>
>
>
> That would be the bullets.
> very hard to find, handmade Italian bullets.
> Unfortunately , I have not gotten that link.
>
>
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc291/cdddraftsman/OswaldsAmmunition.jpg
"Oswald's Ammunition : The cartridges [1] used by Oswald were an
excellent American made Western Cartridge Company product . Four sub-
lots had been manufactured and we tested all four . They had excellent
consistency of bullet weights and powder weights . We fired about 700
rounds in our experiments and various government agencies fired about
200 more . We had no misfires , nor did the other groups . They were
sold in boxes of twenty and it seems likely Oswald was down to his
last four since no more were found in his possessions"
Dr. John K. Lattimer
Kennedy and Lincoln
Page 252 Fig.101
[1] Page 250
"Lattimer Experiments" .... "verified as being one of the four sub-
lots manufactured at the same time as the ammunition used in the
killing of President Kennedy"
>
>
>
>
> We don’t want any “drop guns” hanging around, right!
>
>
>
You'd have to talk to some of the co-conspirators in the CT crowd
about that . All the evidence proved to be faked in this case has come
from the critical community .
>
>
>
>
> Oswald was probably the only man in Texas to
> own these guns.
>
>
We'll discount the 1000's the CIA bought for the BoP's invasion ,
appears the Cuban's didn't give them back when JFK sent 52 Million in
aid to get back the hostages . BTW what does Oswald being the only
poor mans assassin that could afford a MC rifle in Texas have to do
with anything ? Just curious ?
>
>
>
> Antique, obsolete, world war one gun :
>
>
Perhaps you'd like to be a JFK stand-in do-gooder as a mock up next
time mag30th does some testing ? :
650 yards 6.5 Mannlicher Carcano M91/38 rifle Kennedy/Oswald :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy_T7D2-Y3o
>
>
> with very hard to
> find, handmade Italian bullets.
>
>
Don't tell the metal-allergic crowd that , they just got done with an
expensive 10 year study that proves :
'Hidden Handed Assassins' , there guns and shell casings CAN AND DO
DISAPPEAR LEAVING NO VISIBLE TRACE !
>
>
>
> The 38 automatic bullets are right out
> of James Bond.
>
>
>
"Oswald is my prime suspect" My A** .
>
>
>
> And yes, he needed 50 bullets
> combined - minumum
>
>
Are you trying to set a new record for shots fired in Dealey Plaza
that day ?
So far the high bidder is 15 shots . What gives with "50 bullets
combined - minimum" ?
>
>
>
> So---Show me the bullets!
>
>
> Where did he get this stuff -- Oh, Chicago
> - naturally.
>
> Oswald is my prime suspect, make no doubt about that, but he needs
> bullets to even get started.
>
>
If all else fails in your quest to exonerate LHO try looking on the
evidence table next to Oswalds "curtain rods" .
>
>
> I hate to be cynical, But there are problems here. Well, its not my
> fight. I just do what I can.
>
> Sincerely,
> The Deepfish
>
> P.S. I wish Sam and Peter would weight in here, they are our
> librarians. I Could use a little help here guys!
>
You need a lot more than a little help , you need to find out how to
investigate a crime first before embarking on asking questions of low
import.
After all if Oswald was successful in fooling 7 out of 10 American's
just by saying he was a "patsy" , he shouldn't of had any problems
buying a few cheap bullets in Texas were they sell bullets faster than
chewing gum .
tl
Anthony Marsh
>>
>>
>>
> You'd have to talk to some of the co-conspirators in the CT crowd
> about that . All the evidence proved to be faked in this case has come
> from the critical community .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Oswald was probably the only man in Texas to
>> own these guns.
>>
>>
> We'll discount the 1000's the CIA bought for the BoP's invasion ,
What are you, a co-conspirator in the CT crowd now. No LNer says anything
about the CIA buying the ammo for the Bay of Pigs invasion. That ammo was
bought back in 1954. Are you saying the CIA was planning the Bay of Pigs
invasion for April 1961 way back in 1954? Talk about kooky ideas? You
offer no proof for your kooky idea.
> appears the Cuban's didn't give them back when JFK sent 52 Million in
> aid to get back the hostages . BTW what does Oswald being the only
> poor mans assassin that could afford a MC rifle in Texas have to do
> with anything ? Just curious ?
Well, for one thing it would narrow down the list of suspects.
>>
>>
>>
>> Antique, obsolete, world war one gun :
>>
>>
> Perhaps you'd like to be a JFK stand-in do-gooder as a mock up next
> time mag30th does some testing ? :
> 650 yards 6.5 Mannlicher Carcano M91/38 rifle Kennedy/Oswald :
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy_T7D2-Y3o
More hate speech.
So you're saying that every corner store sold the WCC brand?
> tl
>
>
>
>
>
Caeruleo
<cb2fa542-1b84-4977...@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
bigdog <jecorb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Not true: CTs are just as frequently challenged to provide evidence as
are LNs.
Caeruleo
<98490452-efe7-4f24...@21g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
Deepfish <Swis...@bluewin.ch> wrote:
> From the Deepfish,
> Thank-you all for your interesting, and very entertaining posts.
> As you probably realize I am trying to find a direct link between
> Oswald and his guns.
> That would be the bullets.
I seem to recall ballistic matches between certain bullets and certain
guns, so the "link" seems to have been established. Where, when, and by
whom the bullets were purchased is at least slightly less important,
though hardly unimportant, admittedly.
> We don?t want any ?drop guns? hanging around,
> right!
>
>
> Unfortunately , I have not gotten
> that link.
Hmmm, the primary link was established more than 47 years ago.
> Oswald was probably was the only man in Texas to
> own these guns.
I doubt that, the Carcano was sold quite frequently throughout the U.S.
at that time.
> Antique, obsolete, world war one gun with very hard to
> find, handmade Italian bullets.
The Carcano was quite capable of firing any bullet of that caliber, and
these were hardly rare, then or today. It didn't requite "handmade"
bullets.
> The 38 automatic bullets are right out
> of James Bond.
>
> And yes, he needed 50 bullets
> combined - minumum
Why?
Anthony Marsh
> In article
> <98490452-efe7-4f24...@21g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
> Deepfish<Swis...@bluewin.ch> wrote:
>
>> From the Deepfish,
>> Thank-you all for your interesting, and very entertaining posts.
>> As you probably realize I am trying to find a direct link between
>> Oswald and his guns.
>> That would be the bullets.
>
> I seem to recall ballistic matches between certain bullets and certain
> guns, so the "link" seems to have been established. Where, when, and by
> whom the bullets were purchased is at least slightly less important,
> though hardly unimportant, admittedly.
>
Ok, but someone seemed to want to know, like the DPD and the FBI.
They hate loose ends.
>> We don?t want any ?drop guns? hanging around,
>> right!
>>
>>
>> Unfortunately , I have not gotten
>> that link.
>
> Hmmm, the primary link was established more than 47 years ago.
>
>> Oswald was probably was the only man in Texas to
>> own these guns.
>
> I doubt that, the Carcano was sold quite frequently throughout the U.S.
> at that time.
>
We are not talking about the rest of the US. Only Dallas area. I have
asked several times and no one has any guess as to how many
Mannlicher-Carcanos were owned by people in the Dallas area. Now,
arguendo, if the DPD had been a little bit smarter and figured out that
the Walker bullet was a Mannlicher-Carcano, then tracked down every
Mannlicher-Carcano owner, they might have stumbled onto Oswald and he
would have been in jail on 11/22/63 watching the JFK motorcade drive by.
>> Antique, obsolete, world war one gun with very hard to
>> find, handmade Italian bullets.
>
> The Carcano was quite capable of firing any bullet of that caliber, and
> these were hardly rare, then or today. It didn't requite "handmade"
> bullets.
>
I'm confused by your back and forth arguments. OP is incorrect that his
rifle could only fire the Italian made bullets. Norma, Hornady, and WCC
also made bullets and rounds for that rifle. But it is not true that any
bullet of that caliber would do. You need the .264 caliber rather than the
.256 caliber. And a short .264 caliber bullet would be hard to find.
Almost all FMJ bullets for that caliber are between 156 and 162 grains.
And if you think WCC rounds are not rare today, please send me a box for
my shooting tests. Thanks.
I paid $45 for a box of Norma.
I paid $5 for a clip of SMI.
And I had to go to five gun shops to find those.