That Pat Speer has a "Bunch" .... !
cdddraftsman
of "Grainy Photo's" that just don't pack the "Punch" .....
Is self evident when you look at his highly selective use
of photographs taken of JFK that day . One even shows
JFK standing up , which would be of no use at all !
http://www.patspeer.com/CoatC2.jpg/CoatC2-full;init:.jpg
Fortunately .John does have the proper photographs that
prove that JFK's coat was bunched :
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/sbt.htm
John Hunt, Jr. has taken a different tack, and done an
extensive survey of photographic evidence of JFK in
the motorcade.
His essay "The Case for a Bunched Jacket" :
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/bunched.htm
shows that Kennedy's jacket was bunched
in the majority of pictures of the motorcade
in Dallas, and that Kennedy's posture at
the time of the Single Bullet hit makes
it overwhelmingly likely that the jacket
was bunched at that moment.
More Research
Researcher Chad Zimmerman has done some
very interesting and informative work on this issue.
Like Hunt, he has made a detailed and serious
study of the photographic evidence that Kennedy's
coat and shirt were bunched :
http://www.zimmermanjfk.com/frontmenu_000014.htm
He has also done a highly innovative X-ray study :
http://www.zimmermanjfk.com/frontmenu_000001.htm
showing that — given the location of the defect in
Kennedy's shirt and coat — very modest and easily
recreated bunching produces an inshoot location
at C7 (the seventh cervical vertebra), which is the
level of Kennedy's back wound.
So just how was Pat Speer able to come up with
diametrically opposite conclusions to Dr. Lattimer's
and just about every other un-biased study came
up with ?
Below is what it's all about : Pat Speer doesn't pull any
"Punch"(s) , so to speak , :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbftrC6Tqdo&feature=channel
I'll give him that , he tells you right up front that his
Vision (although containing a lot of useless Noise)
of the truth is up for sale .
Bully for Pat Speer :
[ Available thru visioNoisy studio's ]
Regardless if it's the 219th version or not :-)
:-) Oh my (-:
"Truth by Committee."
Researcher Pat Speer explores the Warren Commission's
creation of the "Single Bullet Theory."
All four episodes now on DVD, plus bonus features: ...
Tink there's any chance we might get a demo version for free ?
:-(
Unable to swallow the tough nut , by spurious insinuations , that indeed
Dr. Lattimer had conducted world class experimentations to bring a better
understanding of this event to light , Pat falls on his speer , falls back
for his last 'Hail Mary' and fumbles at the five :
http://www.patspeer.com/lattimeran.jpg/lattimeran-full.jpg
By claiming through a highly subjective interpretation of his drawings
that Dr. Lattimer's drawing was out of wack ?
You decide .
end .....
tl
PS to PS : Perhaps Pat Speer should try to tackle something a little
less difficult for his obvious limitations (He's aknowledged he's a
amatuer 3 year crammer of JFK studies) :
Like : "Was Oswald in the Doorway of the Depository at the time of the JFK
Assassination?" : http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/oswald
Also :
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Words of Wisdom by Clay Shaw ...... ! :
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1967 (Audio) INTERVIEW WITH CLAY SHAW .... ! :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8VuV2EwIRE&feature=channel_page
"I think that the WCR come as close to anything we will ever know as
to describing what actually happened on that tragic day on Nov. 22nd
in Dallas"
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1967 DEBATE: MARK LANE VS. LOUIS NIZER ...,.... ! :
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(RE: JFK'S ASSASSINATION)(PARTS 1 Thru 3)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ra017WxoYFg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2ZTzzc6aYI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq9ZdGF7iVk&feature=related
Listen in as fast talking LOUIS NIZER trims the shorts of
Conspirapologist Mark Lane !
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Some additional video's from You-Tube that might be of interest :
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JFK
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Who Killed JFK? - David Talbot :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEEsddcHBmE&feature=channel_page
Ted Sorensen Recalls JFK's Fond affection for his father :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-0gIy1V_Go&feature=channel_page
Is Hollywood Anti-American? :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_bgN6mI4co&feature=channel_page
America's Good / Evil Mentality :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV917xW-F3E&feature=channel_page
Using Denial to Cope with Grief :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjUOQoxhBMY&feature=channel_page
Sen. Arlen Specter Advocates Funding For Medical Research :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZXsCk8uSUQ&feature=channel_page
Marc Ecko On the Air Force One Tag Hoax :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfSma-NIumE&feature=channel_page
How Texans Went from Cowboys to Zillionaires :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf3R1cAQnZY&feature=channel_page
Undercover for the FBI :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqFxQ0rKp14&feature=channel_page
America's Mafia Obsession :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwSTm8jPa-s&feature=channel_page
George H.W. Bush at the CIA :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDbnrr_Jt_8&feature=channel_page
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Ufo's
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Creative Ideas to Contact Aliens :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6VZkINudTg&feature=channel_page
Discover ET Using Your Home computer :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aIJV5aQR68&feature=channel_page
Wormholes and Time Travel :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbY8vqIhAms&feature=channel_page
SETI Astronomer : No Alien Visitors Yet :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDJA4R3xA_U&feature=channel_page
Searching for Extraterrestria :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH7jf9BjxDY&feature=channel_page
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Other
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Life on a Northern California Pot Farm :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpFuGlfijbY&feature=channel_page
Funeral for Analog TV :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmq7K3WsorI&feature=channel_page
Evolution Warning Labels and Scientific Theory :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxaM0P8Fyu4&feature=channel_page
Inside the 1996 Everest Disaster :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bgqc2m7aBzs&feature=channel_page
Magic, Science, and Mystery :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg0AoCXxwBs&feature=channel_page
Enjoy .... !
end ....
tl
pjspeare
chapters 12-12c at patspeer.com
http://www.patspeer.com/Buncho2.jpg/Buncho2-full;init:.jpg
I also deal with Zimmerman's stuff.
http://www.patspeer.com/zimcom.jpg/zimcom-full.jpg
from chapter 12b
Since Marquette University history professor John McAdams, creator of
Google's favorite website on the assassination, endorses Dr.
Zimmerman’s work on the single-bullet theory, writing “Zimmerman has
done some very interesting and informative work on this issue,” I
decided to go to Zimmerman’s website and read all his articles on the
subject. I was surprised to find, however, that the articles were
filled with as much misleading information as his TV appearance. In
fact, when one looks closely at these articles purporting to support
the single-bullet theory, one finds they make a better argument
against the single-bullet theory. That McAdams and other defenders of
the single-assassin theory fail to see this is undoubtedly
discouraging.
In Zimmerman’s 2004 article The Shirt Experiment, for example, he
details how he attached a nut to the back of his shirt at the
approximate distance from the collar of the bullet entrance found on
Kennedy’s shirt. He then took an x-ray of himself and found that this
nut rested at the vertical level of his second thoracic vertebra (T2).
Zimmerman then raised his arm into the position he assumed Kennedy’s
arm was in and found that the nut now rested at the level of the
seventh thoracic vertebrae (C7). This means the nut was lifted an
inch and a half or more simply by Zimmerman’s raising his elbow a
short distance. (Clearly, these results impressed the producers of
Beyond the Magic Bullet and led to Zimmerman's appearance on the
program.)
A related experiment was conducted for the HSCA. The HSCA trajectory
analysis report says that forensic anthropologist Dr. Clyde Snow
conducted “laboratory tests on men of similar build” as Kennedy and
that “Because the Zapruder film showed that Kennedy had raised his
right shoulder slightly as to place his elbow on the side of the
limousine, the resulting movement of skin at the in-shoot location was
also assessed. It was found that the wound was approximately 0.1
centimeter higher and 0.2 centimeter closer to the midplane than the
post-mortem photographic observations by themselves indicated.” Taken
in conjunction with Zimmerman’s experiment, then, we can use Snow’s
results to safely assume that while the lifting of Kennedy’s elbow may
have lifted his clothing, so that the bullet entrance may have been as
high as C7, this entrance would have overlay an entrance on the body
0.1 cm lower and .2 cm further from the spine at autopsy than the
bullet's actual trajectory. Zimmerman’s experiment thereby confirmed
that the bullet hole on Kennedy’s body, if consistent with the holes
on his clothes, would have been at the very highest the level of C7.
In Zimmerman’s 2002 article Anatomy of the Back Wound he asserted that
the wound was most likely at the C7/T1 level but appears slightly
higher in the autopsy photos due to rigor mortis. Okay. To me the
wound is clearly more in line with the T1 theorized by the HSCA
pathology panel than C7, but we'll play along.
Zimmerman runs into a heap of trouble, however, when he attempts to
prove that an entrance at this level supports the single-bullet
theory. In his 2004 defense of the theory he introduces a profile of
the neck taken from an anatomy book. He places an arrow descending at
22 degrees across this profile. Zimmerman writes “A bullet entering at
the C7-T1 level of the spinous processes, at a downward angle of 22
degrees, will cross just below the C7 disc and out of a point in the
neck and exit at the T1 disc.” This description doesn’t match the
trajectory on the profile, however, as the arrow on the profile
crosses the spine at T1 and exits just below T1. Even worse, this
profile only shows the front half of a person. When one projects
Zimmerman’s 22 degree angle back from the exit through a complete
profile, one finds that the entrance of Zimmerman’s trajectory is
really at C5, considerably higher than where Zimmerman’s analysis of
the back wound placed the wound and considerably higher than where
Zimmerman’s analysis of the bullet holes in the clothing placed the
wound.
If you fail to believe that Dr. Zimmerman’s 22 degree trajectory
actually tracks back to a C5 entrance, and not C7, you should consider
that it was Dr. Zimmerman himself who convinced me of this. In his
2003 article The Case of the Bunched Jacket, Dr. Zimmerman presents
Kennedy’s left profile autopsy photo (inverted) with a 22 degree
trajectory through the neck. He does us the favor, furthermore, of
adding in the levels of the cervical vertebrae. These demonstrate that
the entrance proposed by Dr. Zimmerman, as well as our old friend Dr.
Artwohl, is on the horizontal plane of C5/C6.
Somehow, he failed to notice this. Instead, beneath his proposed
trajectory through Kennedy he writes “This wound track measures a
downhill angle of 22 degrees, similar to a shot from the sniper’s nest
in the TSBD building. An entrance at C7/T1 is easily conceived and
fits perfectly with the description of the wounds in the autopsy
report.” What? While one can "easily conceive" that this 22-degree
trajectory entered at C7/T1, and not C5/C6, one can not do so without
lowering the exit to Kennedy’s chest. And why, if Zimmerman wants his
readers to conceive of a C7/T1 entrance, does he have his trajectory
start at C5/C6? Is he being deceptive? Or is he actually contending
that this C5/C6 entrance is at C7/T1?
Another intriguing aspect of Zimmerman’s shirt experiment is the left-
right movement of the nut on his x-ray. While the photo with the nut
at the T2 level shows the nut to be near the middle of Zimmerman’s
spine, the x-ray of the nut in this position shows the nut to be
noticeably further to his right. As the x-ray depicting the level of
the nut after Zimmerman lifted his elbow demonstrates beyond a doubt
that the nut was pushed closer to Zimmerman’s spine as his shirt
“bunched” (a movement confirmed by his segment in Beyond the Magic
Bullet), one can only wonder where the nut in the original photo would
have moved. This makes me suspect that Zimmerman took the photos and
the x-rays and then re-did the x-rays when the nut in the initial
experiment ended up directly over his spine. After all, if the
dramatic “bunching” of Kennedy’s clothes that Zimmerman asserts took
place would also have lifted the entrance hole on the clothes to a
spot overlying Kennedy’s spine, it destroys Zimmerman’s contention
that a bullet entering at C7 could have exited Kennedy’s throat
without striking bone.
> (RE: JFK'S ASSASSINATION)(PARTS 1 Thru 3)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ra017WxoYFg&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2ZTzzc6aYI&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq9ZdGF7iVk&feature=related
Anthony Marsh
>
> of "Grainy Photo's" that just don't pack the "Punch" .....
>
> Is self evident when you look at his highly selective use
> of photographs taken of JFK that day . One even shows
> JFK standing up , which would be of no use at all !
>
> http://www.patspeer.com/CoatC2.jpg/CoatC2-full;init:.jpg
>
> Fortunately .John does have the proper photographs that
> prove that JFK's coat was bunched :
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/sbt.htm
>
So what? JFK's coat was often bunched. But the only important thing is
finding out how MUCH it was bunched at the exact moment that Kennedy was
shot in the back. Anything before or after is irrelevant.
> John Hunt, Jr. has taken a different tack, and done an
> extensive survey of photographic evidence of JFK in
> the motorcade.
>
Kennedy could not possibly have been hit in the back with one bullet at
all those different times. The only time that matters is the exact
moment when he was shot in the back. Anything before or after is irrelevant.
> His essay "The Case for a Bunched Jacket" :
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/bunched.htm
> shows that Kennedy's jacket was bunched
> in the majority of pictures of the motorcade
> in Dallas, and that Kennedy's posture at
> the time of the Single Bullet hit makes
> it overwhelmingly likely that the jacket
> was bunched at that moment.
>
No.
It doesn't tell you how MUCH at the exact moment that Kennedy was shot
in the back. Anything before or after is irrelevant.
> More Research
>
> Researcher Chad Zimmerman has done some
> very interesting and informative work on this issue.
>
Disinformation.
> Like Hunt, he has made a detailed and serious
> study of the photographic evidence that Kennedy's
> coat and shirt were bunched :
> http://www.zimmermanjfk.com/frontmenu_000014.htm
>
> He has also done a highly innovative X-ray study :
> http://www.zimmermanjfk.com/frontmenu_000001.htm
> showing that � given the location of the defect in
> Kennedy's shirt and coat � very modest and easily
> recreated bunching produces an inshoot location
> at C7 (the seventh cervical vertebra), which is the
> level of Kennedy's back wound.
>
Slight of hand.
C7 is too low to rescue the SBT.