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Peter Fokes

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Jan 15, 2010, 12:56:04 AM1/15/10
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Horne suggests JFK's body was moved from one casket to another on Air
Force One.

My goodness!

Tough to imagine .... measure the risks and rewards in trying such a
stunt!

What if they were caught?

Ooops, just taking JFK for a stroll?

Makes your jaw drop, eh?

Flash forward to Humes in the morgue as an examination of JFK's
lifeless body begins.

My goodness, Humes thinks to himself, as he lifts JFK's brain from the
skull. He is so surprised he blurts out to the gathered throng
something about prior surgery to the head!

Impossible! Parkland doctors did no such thing!

Into this cranny crawl the radical alterationists and theories of
secret body movements.

Humes said the brain fell out onto his hands.

The debate rages on with regard to the head wounds and autopsy photos
and xrays. It's just not clear. The evidence is not making this case
any easier to solve.

Of course, it is JFK's brain that does matter. That's where the deadly
damage was done. Nothing of particular importance would be gleaned by
examining his legs, his pelvis, his abdomen .... it was the head wound
that mattered. The bullet or bullets to the brain.

So why move the whole body?

Why not just the brain?

Wrap it up in the jackets of Kellerman and Greer. Use the back of the
jackets because the back of the jackets were already bloody. When
O'Neil saw the back of their jackets, whew, lots of brain matter.

Of course, getting just the brain to Bethesda el pronto would be
easier than trying to move the body out of one casket and into a
shipping container and onwards to the back door at the hospital.

Just the brain.

That's what mattered.

Why was Admiral Burkley so circumspect?

Will we ever know?

Grist for a new title in assassination lore:

The Case of the Stolen Brain.

Gives me the shivers .........

Regards,
Peter Fokes,
Toronto

David Von Pein

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Jan 15, 2010, 11:25:58 AM1/15/10
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>>> "My goodness, Humes thinks to himself, as he lifts JFK's brain from the skull. He is so surprised he blurts out to the gathered throng something about prior surgery to the head! Impossible! Parkland doctors did no such thing!" <<<

You're a little confused, Peter. Horne thinks it was HUMES HIMSELF who
performed the body-altering surgery on JFK (at Bethesda, prior to the
autopsy)!

Of course, such "surgery" must have been accomplished in record-
breaking time. But, kooks like Douglas P. Horne don't seem to care
about the fact that none of this crap could have possibly occurred in
a thing called "the real world" in the first place. But, as we all
know, trivial things like reality and common sense have never stopped
a good conspiracy-happy kook from placing on the table the utter
silliness they continue to advocate, year after year.

Also:

Horne's "Humes Altered The Body At Bethesda" nonsense also makes me
wonder why on Earth Horne ALSO advocates the notion of multiple
caskets, various body wrappings, and faked autopsy photos/X-rays??


~~big ol' shrug~~


http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/0e2e36113ce98e6b

http://ReclaimingHistory.blogspot.com

Peter Fokes

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Jan 15, 2010, 11:43:01 AM1/15/10
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On 15 Jan 2010 11:25:58 -0500, David Von Pein <davev...@aol.com>
wrote:

>
>
>>>> "My goodness, Humes thinks to himself, as he lifts JFK's brain from the skull. He is so surprised he blurts out to the gathered throng something about prior surgery to the head! Impossible! Parkland doctors did no such thing!" <<<
>
>You're a little confused, Peter.

No, I am not. But YOU are.

>Horne thinks it was HUMES HIMSELF who
>performed the body-altering surgery on JFK (at Bethesda, prior to the
>autopsy)!

And your point?

Have you read the book?

I am talking about Humes reaction when he opened the casket as the
gallery looked on, not the earlier tampering of the body by Humes
(according to Horne).

Horne believes Humes reaction, as the gallery looked, was staged. He
had to appear 'surprised' by the surgery to the head area.

My post offers a different scenario for the alteration. Perhaps Humes
was surprised.


>Of course, such "surgery" must have been accomplished in record-
>breaking time.

Have you read the book?

Surgery to save someone's life can be a time consuming process, but
when someone is dead, surgery can be relatively quick. For example, if
there is a large hole in a shattered skull, simply saw through he bone
to make an opening large enough to scoop out the brain and search for
metal fragments. No big deal.


> But Douglas P. Horne don't seem to care


>about the fact that none of this crap could have possibly occurred in
>a thing called "the real world" in the first place.

Why not? Autopsies are performed by the thousands every day. No big
deal.

(removed unecessary rhetoric)

>Also:
>
>Horne's "Humes Altered The Body At Bethesda" nonsense also makes me
>wonder why on Earth Horne ALSO advocates the notion of multiple
>caskets, various body wrappings, and faked autopsy photos/X-rays??

Well, now it is clear. You haven't got a clue about the details in
Horne's book. Perhaps you have read some second hand accounts, or are
just fantasizing what you think is in the book.

Good example of why I stay away from discussing Horne with most LNs.
They assume they know what they are talking about when they haven't
got a clue because they haven't read the book. Sort of like a movie
critic publishing a review of a film he/she hasn't seen!

Now that's kooky!


>~~big ol' shrug~~

Try some Guatemala Casi Cielo. will wake you up!

http://www.starbucks.com/coffee/p4c4-guatemala-casi-cielo.aspx#num=01&id=guatemala_casi_cielo�

Regardo
Peter Fokes
Toronto,
Ontario

http://www.toronto.hm


bigdog

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Jan 15, 2010, 12:08:01 PM1/15/10
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Lifton ought to sue Horne for plagarism. This story is no less goofy
than when Lifton first proposed it in Best Evidence. The nicest thing
you can say about it is that Horne has put lipstick on a pig.

John Blubaugh

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Jan 15, 2010, 5:04:07 PM1/15/10
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The typical, "I have no logical response and I know nothing about the
subject but I can attack the messenger." You guys are a broken record of
denial and disinformation.

JB

Anthony Marsh

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Jan 15, 2010, 8:10:51 PM1/15/10
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How can a mentor sue his protege for blindly following him? This is a
contest to see who can think up the goofiest theory.

Anthony Marsh

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Jan 15, 2010, 8:16:11 PM1/15/10
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On 1/15/2010 12:56 AM, Peter Fokes wrote:
> Horne suggests JFK's body was moved from one casket to another on Air
> Force One.
>
> My goodness!
>
> Tough to imagine .... measure the risks and rewards in trying such a
> stunt!
>
> What if they were caught?
>
> Ooops, just taking JFK for a stroll?
>
> Makes your jaw drop, eh?
>
> Flash forward to Humes in the morgue as an examination of JFK's
> lifeless body begins.
>
> My goodness, Humes thinks to himself, as he lifts JFK's brain from the
> skull. He is so surprised he blurts out to the gathered throng
> something about prior surgery to the head!
>

Wrong. Humes said that when he first saw the body after it was unwrapped.
I was the first to point out why Humes thought that. Because he saw the
gauze squares packed into the head wound and thought they were left over
from surgery.

> Impossible! Parkland doctors did no such thing!
>
> Into this cranny crawl the radical alterationists and theories of
> secret body movements.
>
> Humes said the brain fell out onto his hands.
>
> The debate rages on with regard to the head wounds and autopsy photos
> and xrays. It's just not clear. The evidence is not making this case
> any easier to solve.
>
> Of course, it is JFK's brain that does matter. That's where the deadly
> damage was done. Nothing of particular importance would be gleaned by
> examining his legs, his pelvis, his abdomen .... it was the head wound
> that mattered. The bullet or bullets to the brain.
>
> So why move the whole body?
>
> Why not just the brain?
>

The brain did not matter. The pattern of skull damage is what matters.

Peter Fokes

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Jan 16, 2010, 1:48:43 AM1/16/10
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On 15 Jan 2010 20:16:11 -0500, Anthony Marsh
<anthon...@comcast.net> wrote:

>On 1/15/2010 12:56 AM, Peter Fokes wrote:
>> Horne suggests JFK's body was moved from one casket to another on Air
>> Force One.
>>
>> My goodness!
>>
>> Tough to imagine .... measure the risks and rewards in trying such a
>> stunt!
>>
>> What if they were caught?
>>
>> Ooops, just taking JFK for a stroll?
>>
>> Makes your jaw drop, eh?
>>
>> Flash forward to Humes in the morgue as an examination of JFK's
>> lifeless body begins.
>>
>> My goodness, Humes thinks to himself, as he lifts JFK's brain from the
>> skull. He is so surprised he blurts out to the gathered throng
>> something about prior surgery to the head!
>>
>
>Wrong. Humes said that when he first saw the body after it was unwrapped.

The general idea in Horne's book is that Humes damn well knew there
had been prior surgery to the skull so when the casket was opened, he
acted surprised! His words had nothing to do with little gauze
squares.

>I was the first to point out why Humes thought that.

And how did you read Humes' thoughts before anyone else?

>Because he saw the
>gauze squares packed into the head wound and thought they were left over
>from surgery.

Well, he was wrong, and according to Horne, he knew what he was saying
was nonsense.

BUT, in the scenario I've kindly suggested in the original post in
this thread, HUMES WAS INDEED SURPRISED.


>> Impossible! Parkland doctors did no such thing!
>>
>> Into this cranny crawl the radical alterationists and theories of
>> secret body movements.
>>
>> Humes said the brain fell out onto his hands.
>>
>> The debate rages on with regard to the head wounds and autopsy photos
>> and xrays. It's just not clear. The evidence is not making this case
>> any easier to solve.
>>
>> Of course, it is JFK's brain that does matter. That's where the deadly
>> damage was done. Nothing of particular importance would be gleaned by
>> examining his legs, his pelvis, his abdomen .... it was the head wound
>> that mattered. The bullet or bullets to the brain.
>>
>> So why move the whole body?
>>
>> Why not just the brain?
>>
>
>The brain did not matter. The pattern of skull damage is what matters.

Wrong. The brain very much matters, especially if bullet fragments
from another rifle are imbedded within .....

Ah yes, the pattern of skull damage makes everything clear as crystal,
right Tony?

That's why intelligent folks are still debating what that pattern IS.

Geez. I refuse to suggest JFK was decapitated on board Air Force
One. Nope. Not going there. But stealing the brain is another matter
entirely.


>> Wrap it up in the jackets of Kellerman and Greer. Use the back of the
>> jackets because the back of the jackets were already bloody. When
>> O'Neil saw the back of their jackets, whew, lots of brain matter.
>>
>> Of course, getting just the brain to Bethesda el pronto would be
>> easier than trying to move the body out of one casket and into a
>> shipping container and onwards to the back door at the hospital.
>>
>> Just the brain.
>>
>> That's what mattered.
>>
>> Why was Admiral Burkley so circumspect?
>>
>> Will we ever know?
>>
>> Grist for a new title in assassination lore:
>>
>> The Case of the Stolen Brain.
>>
>> Gives me the shivers .........
>>
>> Regards,
>> Peter Fokes,
>> Toronto


PF

John McAdams

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Jan 16, 2010, 10:13:40 AM1/16/10
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On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 01:48:43 -0500, Peter Fokes <pfo...@rogers.com>
wrote:

But we have x-rays of the head with the brain in it. We can see the
pattern of fragments.

It's also the case that Humes recovered some fragments.

How would he know which fragments to recover?

If you don't buy the NAA, and don't believe it would be possible to
determine the source of the fregments, it would not not matter which
fragments were recovered, right?

Nor any reason to conceal any fragments.

.John
--------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm

David Von Pein

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Jan 16, 2010, 10:18:30 AM1/16/10
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>> "Have you read the book [i.e., Doug Horne's book of fantasy]?" <<<

Oh, heavens no.

I've read several pages for free at Amazon, however:

http://www.Amazon.com/Inside-The-ARRB/dp/0984314407/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1263593242&sr=1-5#reader_0984314407

I know basically what's in it from the free Amazon trials (and via
Horne's similar batch of silliness that reside in his ARRB memos from
1996 and 1998). It's all a bunch of nonsensical stuff that could not
possibly have happened in a million lifetimes.

In your first post, Peter, I thought you were talking about when Dr.
Humes FIRST opened the casket, BEFORE Humes supposedly performed the
head-altering surgery. My apologies. I'd forgotten for a moment that
Horne has dreamed up TWO separate casket-openings.

It's probably a little difficult, though, for even YOU, Peter Fokes,
to keep "Fantasy A" separated from "Fantasies B, C, & D [etc.]" when
it comes to the dream world of one Douglas P. Horne.

Isn't it, Pete?

BTW, Peter Fokes, it seems to me as though you were thoroughly MAKING
FUN OF Doug Horne's craziness in the early portion of your thread-
starting post in this thread. Were you? Or is some of Mr. Horne
rubbing off on me--and I just imagined something that never really
happened?

http://The-JFK-Assassination.blogspot.com


WhiskyJoe

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Jan 16, 2010, 10:22:02 AM1/16/10
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> Horne suggests JFK's body was moved from one
> casket to another on Air Force One.

Question:

This wasn't done, but what would have been the
simplest way to sneak JFK's body off of
Air Force One without anyone noticing.

Answer to come in Twenty Four Hours.

Peter Fokes

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Jan 16, 2010, 10:47:11 AM1/16/10
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Speak actual fragments not patterns.

>
>It's also the case that Humes recovered some fragments.

Excellent. And were these fragments from the brain tested by NAA or
wwere they too small?

>How would he know which fragments to recover?

Well, assuming Oswald's rifle was not fired, and a pre-exam of the
brain removed larger fragments, all that would remain are small
untestable fragments. The larger fragments found in the car were
tested, but might have been fired pre-assassination and planted!


>If you don't buy the NAA, and don't believe it would be possible to
>determine the source of the fregments, it would not not matter which
>fragments were recovered, right?

The NAA would be useful in tying the planted fragments to Oswald's
rifle. It would matter if the planted fragments were found.


>
>Nor any reason to conceal any fragments.

Only if they came from other guns.

>
>.John
>--------------
>http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm

Regards,
Peter Fokes,
Toronto

Peter Fokes

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Jan 16, 2010, 10:54:05 AM1/16/10
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No need to move body. Just tuck the brain in a black doctor's bag!

PF

Sandy McCroskey

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Jan 16, 2010, 11:32:33 AM1/16/10
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On Jan 15, 11:43 am, Peter Fokes <pfo...@rogers.com> wrote:
> On 15 Jan 2010 11:25:58 -0500, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com>
> http://www.starbucks.com/coffee/p4c4-guatemala-casi-cielo.aspx#num=01...

>
> Regardo
> Peter Fokes
> Toronto,
> Ontario
>
> http://www.toronto.hm

Just from what *you* have told us about the book, Mr. Fokes, I know
it's 100 percent Looney Toons.
Thanks!
/sandy

cdddraftsman

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Jan 16, 2010, 11:48:34 AM1/16/10
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On 15 Jan 2010 11:25:58 -0500, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com>
wrote:


>>>> "My goodness, Humes thinks to himself, as he lifts JFK's brain from
the skull. He is so surprised he blurts out to the gathered throng
something about prior surgery to the head! Impossible! Parkland doctors
did no such thing!" <<<


>You're a little confused, Peter.

No, I am not. But YOU are.


>Horne thinks it was HUMES HIMSELF who
>performed the body-altering surgery on JFK (at Bethesda, prior to the
>autopsy)!


And your point?

Have you read the book?


I am talking about Humes reaction when he opened the casket as the

gallery looked on ......

I'll take over from here :

Humes : "Would everyone please turn 'ABOUT FACE' !" :

Chizel hammer cloink boink ZZZZZZZEE ZZZZZZZEE WhiZZZZZZZ Bang
Profanitys thrown as bones are being rebeveled !

Sweating profusly Humes says : "OK it's alright to take a look now"

"Two shots from behind ..... do you concur Dr. Finck ?"

tl

bigdog

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Jan 16, 2010, 3:24:11 PM1/16/10
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> JB- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Attacking this messenger is like shooting fish in a barrel. For some
reason, it doesn't surprise me that you find merit in what Horne is
proposing.

bigdog

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Jan 16, 2010, 5:13:48 PM1/16/10
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How about a fly over Bethesda and parachute drop of the corpse? That
would have got it there well ahead of the ambulance and given plenty
of time for the body altering surgery. :)

Anthony Marsh

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Jan 16, 2010, 8:51:59 PM1/16/10
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I don't know that anyone actually counted them or labeled them. Maybe you
could number them. Or letter them. That would be fun. But can everyone
agree on how many? Someone may say 15 and someone else may say 17.

>>
>> It's also the case that Humes recovered some fragments.
>
> Excellent. And were these fragments from the brain tested by NAA or
> wwere they too small?
>

Tested by NAA. CE 843. Ken Rahn seems to think that the antimony levels of
532, 552, 555 and 606 ppm proves that they came from the head shot bullet
which he thinks left the large fragment in the front seat, CE 567 which
tested at 515, 521, and 578.

>> How would he know which fragments to recover?
>
> Well, assuming Oswald's rifle was not fired, and a pre-exam of the
> brain removed larger fragments, all that would remain are small
> untestable fragments. The larger fragments found in the car were
> tested, but might have been fired pre-assassination and planted!
>

How small do they have to be to remain untested? They pulled out the
largest fragments they could find and those were cut into several tiny
pieces. Does traditional NAA have a limit on size which can be surpassed
by newer techniques?

>
>> If you don't buy the NAA, and don't believe it would be possible to
>> determine the source of the fregments, it would not not matter which
>> fragments were recovered, right?
>
> The NAA would be useful in tying the planted fragments to Oswald's
> rifle. It would matter if the planted fragments were found.
>

Which fragments are you suggesting were planted? The head fragments? Kinda
hard to get access to the head. How about the fragments that they couldn't
even find until after they pulled up the jump seat? When could these
fragments be planted?

Peter Fokes

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On 16 Jan 2010 10:18:30 -0500, David Von Pein <davev...@aol.com>
wrote:


>It's probably a little difficult, though, for even YOU, Peter .....,


>to keep "Fantasy A" separated from "Fantasies B, C, & D [etc.]" when
>it comes to the dream world of one Douglas P. Horne.
>
>Isn't it, Pete?
>

>BTW, Peter .... .....


But you haven't read the book, David Von Pein.

Have you, Davie?

So it would be 1000xs more difficult for you to sort out fantasies
from not only fantasies but also realities.

BTW, David Von Pein, did you also submit critiques on books to
teachers in college even though you hadn't read the books?

Regards,
*Peter*
Toronto

Anthony Marsh

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Jan 16, 2010, 10:32:29 PM1/16/10
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On 1/16/2010 10:22 AM, WhiskyJoe wrote:
>
>> Horne suggests JFK's body was moved from one
>> casket to another on Air Force One.
>
> Question:
>
> This wasn't done, but what would have been the
> simplest way to sneak JFK's body off of
> Air Force One without anyone noticing.
>

Dress him up in a General's uniform.

Anthony Marsh

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Jan 16, 2010, 10:37:28 PM1/16/10
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He was looking for the largest fragments to remove.

> If you don't buy the NAA, and don't believe it would be possible to
> determine the source of the fregments, it would not not matter which
> fragments were recovered, right?
>

Maybe we don't need to rely on a flawed test like NAA.

> Nor any reason to conceal any fragments.
>

Yes, if they didn't come from Oswald's ammo.

> .John
> --------------
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm


Anthony Marsh

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Jan 16, 2010, 10:38:01 PM1/16/10
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On 1/16/2010 1:48 AM, Peter Fokes wrote:
> On 15 Jan 2010 20:16:11 -0500, Anthony Marsh
> <anthon...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> On 1/15/2010 12:56 AM, Peter Fokes wrote:
>>> Horne suggests JFK's body was moved from one casket to another on Air
>>> Force One.
>>>
>>> My goodness!
>>>
>>> Tough to imagine .... measure the risks and rewards in trying such a
>>> stunt!
>>>
>>> What if they were caught?
>>>
>>> Ooops, just taking JFK for a stroll?
>>>
>>> Makes your jaw drop, eh?
>>>
>>> Flash forward to Humes in the morgue as an examination of JFK's
>>> lifeless body begins.
>>>
>>> My goodness, Humes thinks to himself, as he lifts JFK's brain from the
>>> skull. He is so surprised he blurts out to the gathered throng
>>> something about prior surgery to the head!
>>>
>>
>> Wrong. Humes said that when he first saw the body after it was unwrapped.
>
> The general idea in Horne's book is that Humes damn well knew there
> had been prior surgery to the skull so when the casket was opened, he
> acted surprised! His words had nothing to do with little gauze
> squares.
>

Yes, they do. He got that impression from seeing the gauze squares in
the head and thought they were left over from a surgery.

>> I was the first to point out why Humes thought that.
>
> And how did you read Humes' thoughts before anyone else?
>

Maybe because I got the transcript before most people. Maybe because I
was the first person to put them online.

>> Because he saw the
>> gauze squares packed into the head wound and thought they were left over
>>from surgery.
>
> Well, he was wrong, and according to Horne, he knew what he was saying
> was nonsense.
>

According to Horne? That means nothing.

> BUT, in the scenario I've kindly suggested in the original post in
> this thread, HUMES WAS INDEED SURPRISED.
>

At the wrong point.

>
>>> Impossible! Parkland doctors did no such thing!
>>>
>>> Into this cranny crawl the radical alterationists and theories of
>>> secret body movements.
>>>
>>> Humes said the brain fell out onto his hands.
>>>
>>> The debate rages on with regard to the head wounds and autopsy photos
>>> and xrays. It's just not clear. The evidence is not making this case
>>> any easier to solve.
>>>
>>> Of course, it is JFK's brain that does matter. That's where the deadly
>>> damage was done. Nothing of particular importance would be gleaned by
>>> examining his legs, his pelvis, his abdomen .... it was the head wound
>>> that mattered. The bullet or bullets to the brain.
>>>
>>> So why move the whole body?
>>>
>>> Why not just the brain?
>>>
>>
>> The brain did not matter. The pattern of skull damage is what matters.
>
> Wrong. The brain very much matters, especially if bullet fragments
> from another rifle are imbedded within .....
>
> Ah yes, the pattern of skull damage makes everything clear as crystal,
> right Tony?
>
> That's why intelligent folks are still debating what that pattern IS.
>
> Geez. I refuse to suggest JFK was decapitated on board Air Force
> One. Nope. Not going there. But stealing the brain is another matter
> entirely.
>

The X-rays taken during the autopsy show the brain was still inside.

WhiskyJoe

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Jan 16, 2010, 11:37:57 PM1/16/10
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>> Question:

>> This wasn't done, but what would have been the
>> simplest way to sneak JFK's body off of
>> Air Force One without anyone noticing.

> Peter Fokes:


> No need to move body. Just tuck the brain in a
> black doctor's bag!

OK. But that's not the whole body. And the skull
and it's fragments will show definitely which
direction the bullet or bullets came from, much
more so than the brain.

> bigdog:


> How about a fly over Bethesda and parachute drop
> of the corpse? That would have got it there well
> ahead of the ambulance and given plenty of time
> for the body altering surgery. :)

Yes, something like the parachute pod in the movie
"Air Force One."

**************************************************

Answer:

But the simplest way is right after LBJ is sworn
in as President, have him get on another plane
and take off.

Peter Fokes

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Jan 17, 2010, 10:11:15 AM1/17/10
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On 16 Jan 2010 23:37:57 -0500, WhiskyJoe <jr...@pacbell.net> wrote:

>
>>> Question:
>
>>> This wasn't done, but what would have been the
>>> simplest way to sneak JFK's body off of
>>> Air Force One without anyone noticing.
>
>> Peter Fokes:
>> No need to move body. Just tuck the brain in a
>> black doctor's bag!
>
>OK. But that's not the whole body. And the skull
>and it's fragments will show definitely which
>direction the bullet or bullets came from, much
>more so than the brain.

Well, we would hope so. But as the raging debate for nearly 50 years
as shown, that is simply not true.

PF

Peter Fokes

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Jan 17, 2010, 10:23:33 AM1/17/10
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On 16 Jan 2010 22:32:29 -0500, Anthony Marsh
<anthon...@comcast.net> wrote:

>On 1/16/2010 10:22 AM, WhiskyJoe wrote:
>>
>>> Horne suggests JFK's body was moved from one
>>> casket to another on Air Force One.
>>
>> Question:
>>
>> This wasn't done, but what would have been the
>> simplest way to sneak JFK's body off of
>> Air Force One without anyone noticing.
>>
>
>Dress him up in a General's uniform.

Dea man walking?

>
>> Answer to come in Twenty Four Hours.
>>
>

PF

Peter Fokes

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On 16 Jan 2010 22:38:01 -0500, Anthony Marsh
<anthon...@comcast.net> wrote:

At least in your interpretation of the events. Now Horne on the other
hand would argue that Humes was simply acting surprised. How could he
be surprised by surgery if he knew JFK's head wounds had been explored
at Bethesda a short while earlier? Now if he didn't know, well that
is a different matter. But this thread is about the Holmesian credo.

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>>> I was the first to point out why Humes thought that.
>>
>> And how did you read Humes' thoughts before anyone else?
>>
>
>Maybe because I got the transcript before most people. Maybe because I
>was the first person to put them online.

Good for you. However, the reading of the transcript and the uploading
of such transcript changes nothing. We have, unfortunately, learned to
take whatever Dr. Humes said or wrote (or blood-stained paper or
clean) will a chunk of salt.

>
>>> Because he saw the
>>> gauze squares packed into the head wound and thought they were left over
>>>from surgery.
>>
>> Well, he was wrong, and according to Horne, he knew what he was saying
>> was nonsense.
>>
>
>According to Horne? That means nothing.

Military analyst for the ARRB. Oh well, people who have a different
opinion than some other people often say that the opinion of the other
person(s) means nothing. Maybe Horne would say you cannot see the
forst for the tree. Or more likely he would ignore you completely! I
know it wouldn't boother you. You just keep on plugging away.


>> BUT, in the scenario I've kindly suggested in the original post in
>> this thread, HUMES WAS INDEED SURPRISED.
>>
>
>At the wrong point.

Not at all. He was surprised instantly!


>>>> Impossible! Parkland doctors did no such thing!
>>>>
>>>> Into this cranny crawl the radical alterationists and theories of
>>>> secret body movements.
>>>>
>>>> Humes said the brain fell out onto his hands.
>>>>
>>>> The debate rages on with regard to the head wounds and autopsy photos
>>>> and xrays. It's just not clear. The evidence is not making this case
>>>> any easier to solve.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, it is JFK's brain that does matter. That's where the deadly
>>>> damage was done. Nothing of particular importance would be gleaned by
>>>> examining his legs, his pelvis, his abdomen .... it was the head wound
>>>> that mattered. The bullet or bullets to the brain.
>>>>
>>>> So why move the whole body?
>>>>
>>>> Why not just the brain?
>>>>
>>>
>>> The brain did not matter. The pattern of skull damage is what matters.
>>
>> Wrong. The brain very much matters, especially if bullet fragments
>> from another rifle are imbedded within .....
>>
>> Ah yes, the pattern of skull damage makes everything clear as crystal,
>> right Tony?
>>
>> That's why intelligent folks are still debating what that pattern IS.
>>
>> Geez. I refuse to suggest JFK was decapitated on board Air Force
>> One. Nope. Not going there. But stealing the brain is another matter
>> entirely.
>>
>
>The X-rays taken during the autopsy show the brain was still inside.

Oh my goodness! Are we surprised? What comes out can go back in!


>>>> Wrap it up in the jackets of Kellerman and Greer. Use the back of the
>>>> jackets because the back of the jackets were already bloody. When
>>>> O'Neil saw the back of their jackets, whew, lots of brain matter.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, getting just the brain to Bethesda el pronto would be
>>>> easier than trying to move the body out of one casket and into a
>>>> shipping container and onwards to the back door at the hospital.
>>>>
>>>> Just the brain.
>>>>
>>>> That's what mattered.
>>>>
>>>> Why was Admiral Burkley so circumspect?
>>>>
>>>> Will we ever know?
>>>>
>>>> Grist for a new title in assassination lore:
>>>>
>>>> The Case of the Stolen Brain.
>>>>
>>>> Gives me the shivers .........

I'm on Chapter Two!

hehe

Anthony Marsh

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Forget Horne. Humes was not smart enough to be the mastermind. And Humes
did not seem surprised. It seemed natural to him that Parkland would do
everything possible to save the President's life.

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