From David Talbot's "Brothers - The Hidden History of the Kennedy years"
"According to Bay of Pigs veteran Angelo Murgado, he and a team of fellow Cuban exiles not only observed Oswald's suspicious activities in New Orleans in August 1963, they reported on him to Bobby Kennedy."
"Murgado was aligned with the Cuban exile faction led by Manual Artime, the Brigade's political leader."
"Artime enjoyed access to Bobby Kennedy meeting with him in his Washington office, at Hickory Hill,and at the family's Palm Beach mansion."
"Some Brigade veterans enlisted in the US military but Murgado chose to join the CIA's covert war on Havana.
Trained in intelligence gathering methods, he began to detect suspicious activity among some of his fellow exiles in the Miami Cuban community, a dangerous level of chatter aimed at President Kennedy. He took his concerns to Artime, who was initially reluctant to do anything about them for fear of betraying Cuban comrades. But, said Murgado, Artime finally agreed to set up a meeting with Bobby Kennedy where they could alert him to the threats against his brother."
"At the meeting, Murgado told the attorney general of his alarm about the growing anti-Kennedy passions in Cuban exile circles. "I told him that we have to keep a sharp eye on these Cubans. I was afraid that one of our guys would go crazy. And I said, The same way that a lot of people are trying to hit Castro, there are a lot of people trying to hit the President of the United States...we have a lot of crazy sons of bitches and they're willing to pull anything."
"Murgado said that Bobby asked him to keep an eye on alarming Cuban exile activity and report back to him. "We asked, Why don't you tell the President and use the CIA or FBI ? And he said, no no no - he didn't trust any of the agencies. And he didn't want to load his brother down with this situation. So we went outside the CIA and we did this on a personal basis with Bobby." The attorney general paid Murgado's expenses out of his own pocket, according to the Bay of Pigs veteran. Setting up private intelligence operations that he tightly controlled was a well- established practice of Bobby Kennedy's throughout his political career."
"In the summer of 1963, Murgado's surveillance work led him to New Orleans, where he came across a curious gringo named Lee Harvey Oswald. Murgado and his compadres watched Oswald one day as he distributed his pro-Castro propaganda on the street. They later saw stacks of Oswald's pamphlets in the office of Carlos Bringuier, one of the local DRE delegates who had confronted Oswald in a raucous shouting match that New Orleans police would report appeared staged."
"Murgado's team came to the conclusion that Oswald was an FBI informant."
"After returning to Florida, Murgado met with Bobby again at his Palm Beach house, where he reported on his surveillance targets, including the mysterious Oswald. He showed Kennedy newspaper photos taken of Oswald handing out his pro-Castro pamphlets. He told the attorney general that as far as he could determine Oswald was tied to the FBI. Bobby had never heard of Oswald, according to Murgado, but he did not seem concerned about him because of his apparent government role. "
"If Murgado's story is to be believed, it has historical significance. Assassination researchers have long speculated about whether Bobby Kennedy was already familiar with the name Oswald when it suddenly exploded on the American stage on the afternoon of November 22. Was this the man to whom Bobby was referring when he told anti-Castro leader Harry Ruiz Williams that afternoon, "One of your guys did it" ? Did RFK immediately associate Oswald with the covert war against Castro because of Murgado's intelligence report ?"
"Or did he brush quickly past Oswald when Murgado brought him up because, as some researchers have suggested, he already connected the name to the administration's secret war ? The Murgado story may provide an important key to Bobby's understanding of the crime. It could help explain why the president's brother cast his suspicions immediately towards the anti-Castro underworld on the afternoon of November 22."
I hadn't heard of Murgado before. I see there were a couple of threads on him back in 2005 but that concerned him being one of the Cubans involved in the Odio incident. Strange that Talbot didn't mention that aspect.
He showed Kennedy newspaper photos taken of Oswald handing out his pro-Castro pamphlets. He told the attorney general that as far as he could determine Oswald was tied to the FBI.
QUOTE OFF
There never WERE any published newspaper photos of Oswald handing out his pro-Castro pamphlets until AFTER November 22, 1963.
Talbot has been taken in, just like Joan Mellen was taken in by Thomas Edward Beckham.
We can only imagine that the rest of Murgado's claims are equally as fanciful.
Regards,
Tim Brennan Sydney, Australia *Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
> From David Talbot's "Brothers - The Hidden History of the Kennedy years"
> "According to Bay of Pigs veteran Angelo Murgado, he and a team of fellow > Cuban exiles not only observed Oswald's suspicious activities in New > Orleans in August 1963, they reported on him to Bobby Kennedy."
> "Murgado was aligned with the Cuban exile faction led by Manual Artime, > the Brigade's political leader."
> "Artime enjoyed access to Bobby Kennedy meeting with him in his Washington > office, at Hickory Hill,and at the family's Palm Beach mansion."
> "Some Brigade veterans enlisted in the US military but Murgado chose to > join the CIA's covert war on Havana.
> Trained in intelligence gathering methods, he began to detect suspicious > activity among some of his fellow exiles in the Miami Cuban community, a > dangerous level of chatter aimed at President Kennedy. He took his > concerns to Artime, who was initially reluctant to do anything about them > for fear of betraying Cuban comrades. But, said Murgado, Artime finally > agreed to set up a meeting with Bobby Kennedy where they could alert him > to the threats against his brother."
> "At the meeting, Murgado told the attorney general of his alarm about the > growing anti-Kennedy passions in Cuban exile circles. "I told him that we > have to keep a sharp eye on these Cubans. I was afraid that one of our > guys would go crazy. And I said, The same way that a lot of people are > trying to hit Castro, there are a lot of people trying to hit the > President of the United States...we have a lot of crazy sons of bitches > and they're willing to pull anything."
> "Murgado said that Bobby asked him to keep an eye on alarming Cuban exile > activity and report back to him. "We asked, Why don't you tell the > President and use the CIA or FBI ? And he said, no no no - he didn't trust > any of the agencies. And he didn't want to load his brother down with this > situation. So we went outside the CIA and we did this on a personal basis > with Bobby." The attorney general paid Murgado's expenses out of his own > pocket, according to the Bay of Pigs veteran. Setting up private > intelligence operations that he tightly controlled was a well- established > practice of Bobby Kennedy's throughout his political career."
> "In the summer of 1963, Murgado's surveillance work led him to New > Orleans, where he came across a curious gringo named Lee Harvey Oswald. > Murgado and his compadres watched Oswald one day as he distributed his > pro-Castro propaganda on the street. They later saw stacks of Oswald's > pamphlets in the office of Carlos Bringuier, one of the local DRE > delegates who had confronted Oswald in a raucous shouting match that New > Orleans police would report appeared staged."
> "Murgado's team came to the conclusion that Oswald was an FBI informant."
> "After returning to Florida, Murgado met with Bobby again at his Palm > Beach house, where he reported on his surveillance targets, including the > mysterious Oswald. He showed Kennedy newspaper photos taken of Oswald > handing out his pro-Castro pamphlets. He told the attorney general that as > far as he could determine Oswald was tied to the FBI. Bobby had never > heard of Oswald, according to Murgado, but he did not seem concerned about > him because of his apparent government role. "
> "If Murgado's story is to be believed, it has historical significance. > Assassination researchers have long speculated about whether Bobby Kennedy > was already familiar with the name Oswald when it suddenly exploded on the > American stage on the afternoon of November 22. Was this the man to whom > Bobby was referring when he told anti-Castro leader Harry Ruiz Williams > that afternoon, "One of your guys did it" ? Did RFK immediately associate > Oswald with the covert war against Castro because of Murgado's > intelligence report ?"
> "Or did he brush quickly past Oswald when Murgado brought him up because, > as some researchers have suggested, he already connected the name to the > administration's secret war ? The Murgado story may provide an important > key to Bobby's understanding of the crime. It could help explain why the > president's brother cast his suspicions immediately towards the > anti-Castro underworld on the afternoon of November 22."
> I hadn't heard of Murgado before. I see there were a couple of threads on > him back in 2005 but that concerned him being one of the Cubans involved > in the Odio incident. Strange that Talbot didn't mention that aspect.
johncwatt...@aol.com wrote: > From David Talbot's "Brothers - The Hidden History of the Kennedy years"
> "According to Bay of Pigs veteran Angelo Murgado, he and a team of fellow > Cuban exiles not only observed Oswald's suspicious activities in New > Orleans in August 1963, they reported on him to Bobby Kennedy."
> "Murgado was aligned with the Cuban exile faction led by Manual Artime, > the Brigade's political leader."
> "Artime enjoyed access to Bobby Kennedy meeting with him in his Washington > office, at Hickory Hill,and at the family's Palm Beach mansion."
> "Some Brigade veterans enlisted in the US military but Murgado chose to > join the CIA's covert war on Havana.
> Trained in intelligence gathering methods, he began to detect suspicious > activity among some of his fellow exiles in the Miami Cuban community, a > dangerous level of chatter aimed at President Kennedy. He took his > concerns to Artime, who was initially reluctant to do anything about them > for fear of betraying Cuban comrades. But, said Murgado, Artime finally > agreed to set up a meeting with Bobby Kennedy where they could alert him > to the threats against his brother."
> "At the meeting, Murgado told the attorney general of his alarm about the > growing anti-Kennedy passions in Cuban exile circles. "I told him that we > have to keep a sharp eye on these Cubans. I was afraid that one of our > guys would go crazy. And I said, The same way that a lot of people are > trying to hit Castro, there are a lot of people trying to hit the > President of the United States...we have a lot of crazy sons of bitches > and they're willing to pull anything."
> "Murgado said that Bobby asked him to keep an eye on alarming Cuban exile > activity and report back to him. "We asked, Why don't you tell the > President and use the CIA or FBI ? And he said, no no no - he didn't trust > any of the agencies. And he didn't want to load his brother down with this > situation. So we went outside the CIA and we did this on a personal basis > with Bobby." The attorney general paid Murgado's expenses out of his own > pocket, according to the Bay of Pigs veteran. Setting up private > intelligence operations that he tightly controlled was a well- established > practice of Bobby Kennedy's throughout his political career."
> "In the summer of 1963, Murgado's surveillance work led him to New > Orleans, where he came across a curious gringo named Lee Harvey Oswald. > Murgado and his compadres watched Oswald one day as he distributed his > pro-Castro propaganda on the street. They later saw stacks of Oswald's > pamphlets in the office of Carlos Bringuier, one of the local DRE > delegates who had confronted Oswald in a raucous shouting match that New > Orleans police would report appeared staged."
> "Murgado's team came to the conclusion that Oswald was an FBI informant."
> "After returning to Florida, Murgado met with Bobby again at his Palm > Beach house, where he reported on his surveillance targets, including the > mysterious Oswald. He showed Kennedy newspaper photos taken of Oswald > handing out his pro-Castro pamphlets. He told the attorney general that as > far as he could determine Oswald was tied to the FBI. Bobby had never > heard of Oswald, according to Murgado, but he did not seem concerned about > him because of his apparent government role. "
> "If Murgado's story is to be believed, it has historical significance. > Assassination researchers have long speculated about whether Bobby Kennedy > was already familiar with the name Oswald when it suddenly exploded on the > American stage on the afternoon of November 22. Was this the man to whom > Bobby was referring when he told anti-Castro leader Harry Ruiz Williams > that afternoon, "One of your guys did it" ? Did RFK immediately associate > Oswald with the covert war against Castro because of Murgado's > intelligence report ?"
> "Or did he brush quickly past Oswald when Murgado brought him up because, > as some researchers have suggested, he already connected the name to the > administration's secret war ? The Murgado story may provide an important > key to Bobby's understanding of the crime. It could help explain why the > president's brother cast his suspicions immediately towards the > anti-Castro underworld on the afternoon of November 22."
> I hadn't heard of Murgado before. I see there were a couple of threads on > him back in 2005 but that concerned him being one of the Cubans involved > in the Odio incident. Strange that Talbot didn't mention that aspect.
> John.
I tend to doubt that story, but interesting right after the assassination Bobby called the CIA director and questioned if the assassin was one of their men.
So, no matter how bogus the story, you still have to get in your dig about the CIA, eh?
Oswald had NOTHING to do with the CIA, in an operative sense. Just like this idiot, Angelo Murgado, had NOTHING to do with showing RFK non existent *newspaper photos* of Oswald's FPCC activities in New Orleans.
Who is this Talbot guy? How could he blindly publish such drivel in a book and expect to keep his credibility intact? Murgado's nonsense is an obvious melange of previously debunked factoids. Talbot just doesn't know enough to realise it.
Regards,
Tim Brennan Sydney, Australia *Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
On May 17, 12:22 am, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> johncwatt...@aol.com wrote: > > From David Talbot's "Brothers - The Hidden History of the Kennedy years"
> > "According to Bay of Pigs veteran Angelo Murgado, he and a team of fellow > > Cuban exiles not only observed Oswald's suspicious activities in New > > Orleans in August 1963, they reported on him to Bobby Kennedy."
> > "Murgado was aligned with the Cuban exile faction led by Manual Artime, > > the Brigade's political leader."
> > "Artime enjoyed access to Bobby Kennedy meeting with him in his Washington > > office, at Hickory Hill,and at the family's Palm Beach mansion."
> > "Some Brigade veterans enlisted in the US military but Murgado chose to > > join the CIA's covert war on Havana.
> > Trained in intelligence gathering methods, he began to detect suspicious > > activity among some of his fellow exiles in the Miami Cuban community, a > > dangerous level of chatter aimed at President Kennedy. He took his > > concerns to Artime, who was initially reluctant to do anything about them > > for fear of betraying Cuban comrades. But, said Murgado, Artime finally > > agreed to set up a meeting with Bobby Kennedy where they could alert him > > to the threats against his brother."
> > "At the meeting, Murgado told the attorney general of his alarm about the > > growing anti-Kennedy passions in Cuban exile circles. "I told him that we > > have to keep a sharp eye on these Cubans. I was afraid that one of our > > guys would go crazy. And I said, The same way that a lot of people are > > trying to hit Castro, there are a lot of people trying to hit the > > President of the United States...we have a lot of crazy sons of bitches > > and they're willing to pull anything."
> > "Murgado said that Bobby asked him to keep an eye on alarming Cuban exile > > activity and report back to him. "We asked, Why don't you tell the > > President and use the CIA or FBI ? And he said, no no no - he didn't trust > > any of the agencies. And he didn't want to load his brother down with this > > situation. So we went outside the CIA and we did this on a personal basis > > with Bobby." The attorney general paid Murgado's expenses out of his own > > pocket, according to the Bay of Pigs veteran. Setting up private > > intelligence operations that he tightly controlled was a well- established > > practice of Bobby Kennedy's throughout his political career."
> > "In the summer of 1963, Murgado's surveillance work led him to New > > Orleans, where he came across a curious gringo named Lee Harvey Oswald. > > Murgado and his compadres watched Oswald one day as he distributed his > > pro-Castro propaganda on the street. They later saw stacks of Oswald's > > pamphlets in the office of Carlos Bringuier, one of the local DRE > > delegates who had confronted Oswald in a raucous shouting match that New > > Orleans police would report appeared staged."
> > "Murgado's team came to the conclusion that Oswald was an FBI informant."
> > "After returning to Florida, Murgado met with Bobby again at his Palm > > Beach house, where he reported on his surveillance targets, including the > > mysterious Oswald. He showed Kennedy newspaper photos taken of Oswald > > handing out his pro-Castro pamphlets. He told the attorney general that as > > far as he could determine Oswald was tied to the FBI. Bobby had never > > heard of Oswald, according to Murgado, but he did not seem concerned about > > him because of his apparent government role. "
> > "If Murgado's story is to be believed, it has historical significance. > > Assassination researchers have long speculated about whether Bobby Kennedy > > was already familiar with the name Oswald when it suddenly exploded on the > > American stage on the afternoon of November 22. Was this the man to whom > > Bobby was referring when he told anti-Castro leader Harry Ruiz Williams > > that afternoon, "One of your guys did it" ? Did RFK immediately associate > > Oswald with the covert war against Castro because of Murgado's > > intelligence report ?"
> > "Or did he brush quickly past Oswald when Murgado brought him up because, > > as some researchers have suggested, he already connected the name to the > > administration's secret war ? The Murgado story may provide an important > > key to Bobby's understanding of the crime. It could help explain why the > > president's brother cast his suspicions immediately towards the > > anti-Castro underworld on the afternoon of November 22."
> > I hadn't heard of Murgado before. I see there were a couple of threads on > > him back in 2005 but that concerned him being one of the Cubans involved > > in the Odio incident. Strange that Talbot didn't mention that aspect.
> > John.
> I tend to doubt that story, but interesting right after the > assassination Bobby called the CIA director and questioned if the > assassin was one of their men.- Hide quoted text -
> johncwatt...@aol.com wrote: > > From David Talbot's "Brothers - The Hidden History of the Kennedy years"
> > "According to Bay of Pigs veteran Angelo Murgado, he and a team of fellow > > Cuban exiles not only observed Oswald's suspicious activities in New > > Orleans in August 1963, they reported on him to Bobby Kennedy."
> > "Murgado was aligned with the Cuban exile faction led by Manual Artime, > > the Brigade's political leader."
> > "Artime enjoyed access to Bobby Kennedy meeting with him in his Washington > > office, at Hickory Hill,and at the family's Palm Beach mansion."
> > "Some Brigade veterans enlisted in the US military but Murgado chose to > > join the CIA's covert war on Havana.
> > Trained in intelligence gathering methods, he began to detect suspicious > > activity among some of his fellow exiles in the Miami Cuban community, a > > dangerous level of chatter aimed at President Kennedy. He took his > > concerns to Artime, who was initially reluctant to do anything about them > > for fear of betraying Cuban comrades. But, said Murgado, Artime finally > > agreed to set up a meeting with Bobby Kennedy where they could alert him > > to the threats against his brother."
> > "At the meeting, Murgado told the attorney general of his alarm about the > > growing anti-Kennedy passions in Cuban exile circles. "I told him that we > > have to keep a sharp eye on these Cubans. I was afraid that one of our > > guys would go crazy. And I said, The same way that a lot of people are > > trying to hit Castro, there are a lot of people trying to hit the > > President of the United States...we have a lot of crazy sons of bitches > > and they're willing to pull anything."
> > "Murgado said that Bobby asked him to keep an eye on alarming Cuban exile > > activity and report back to him. "We asked, Why don't you tell the > > President and use the CIA or FBI ? And he said, no no no - he didn't trust > > any of the agencies. And he didn't want to load his brother down with this > > situation. So we went outside the CIA and we did this on a personal basis > > with Bobby." The attorney general paid Murgado's expenses out of his own > > pocket, according to the Bay of Pigs veteran. Setting up private > > intelligence operations that he tightly controlled was a well- established > > practice of Bobby Kennedy's throughout his political career."
> > "In the summer of 1963, Murgado's surveillance work led him to New > > Orleans, where he came across a curious gringo named Lee Harvey Oswald. > > Murgado and his compadres watched Oswald one day as he distributed his > > pro-Castro propaganda on the street. They later saw stacks of Oswald's > > pamphlets in the office of Carlos Bringuier, one of the local DRE > > delegates who had confronted Oswald in a raucous shouting match that New > > Orleans police would report appeared staged."
> > "Murgado's team came to the conclusion that Oswald was an FBI informant."
> > "After returning to Florida, Murgado met with Bobby again at his Palm > > Beach house, where he reported on his surveillance targets, including the > > mysterious Oswald. He showed Kennedy newspaper photos taken of Oswald > > handing out his pro-Castro pamphlets. He told the attorney general that as > > far as he could determine Oswald was tied to the FBI. Bobby had never > > heard of Oswald, according to Murgado, but he did not seem concerned about > > him because of his apparent government role. "
> > "If Murgado's story is to be believed, it has historical significance. > > Assassination researchers have long speculated about whether Bobby Kennedy > > was already familiar with the name Oswald when it suddenly exploded on the > > American stage on the afternoon of November 22. Was this the man to whom > > Bobby was referring when he told anti-Castro leader Harry Ruiz Williams > > that afternoon, "One of your guys did it" ? Did RFK immediately associate > > Oswald with the covert war against Castro because of Murgado's > > intelligence report ?"
> > "Or did he brush quickly past Oswald when Murgado brought him up because, > > as some researchers have suggested, he already connected the name to the > > administration's secret war ? The Murgado story may provide an important > > key to Bobby's understanding of the crime. It could help explain why the > > president's brother cast his suspicions immediately towards the > > anti-Castro underworld on the afternoon of November 22."
> > I hadn't heard of Murgado before. I see there were a couple of threads on > > him back in 2005 but that concerned him being one of the Cubans involved > > in the Odio incident. Strange that Talbot didn't mention that aspect.
> > John.
> I tend to doubt that story, but interesting right after the > assassination Bobby called the CIA director and questioned if the > assassin was one of their men.- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
Tony,
Thanks for your response. I've since discovered that Peter Dale Scott does not believe Murgado - this is significant as Talbot specifically thanks Jefferson Morley and PDS for agreeing to read and comment on his manuscript. Either PDS did not tell Talbot he didn't believe the Murgado story or Talbot chose to ignore him. To be fair to Talbot he does not present the Murgado story as indisputable fact - he acknowledges that Murgado is a colourful character and that some may not believe him.
He showed Kennedy newspaper photos taken of Oswald handing out his pro-Castro pamphlets. He told the attorney general that as far as he could determine Oswald was tied to the FBI.
QUOTE OFF
There never WERE any published newspaper photos of Oswald handing out his pro-Castro pamphlets until AFTER November 22, 1963.
Talbot has been taken in, just like Joan Mellen was taken in by Thomas Edward Beckham.
We can only imagine that the rest of Murgado's claims are equally as fanciful.
Regards,
Tim Brennan Sydney, Australia *Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
Tim: The major problem is with claiming no photos were taken, the ONI offices were two blocks and on second floor from the street demo conducted by Oswald and we know that a man associated with events ran over and filmed things. I'm not sure of the man's name at this time, but I believe he had his family with him and was a couple of streets over at the time. No photos were published....but I do believe photos were taken. Off the top of my head I believe he was associated with Gen Walker. There are some newsgroup posts on this from years ago.....I think Clark Wilkins was in on those.
Several Cubans who I've been in contact with over the years claim photos were taken. Santigo De Juan, claimed to have slapped Oswald. Santigo worked at VOA and several members of the radio staff went down to hassle Oswald. Santigo was interviewed for WC....but there's not much in the offical reports concerning this. Santigo was part of the Cuban Revolution fighting with Castro and later fled due to his role in a assassination attempt on Castro. He was associated with Ohio mob members in Cuba that were also working for the CIA (Robert John Gentile). Gentile was convicted of plot to kill Castro and RFK bailed him out of jail with BOP prisoners.
The WC makes a big deal of the DRE encounter but the record and investigation concerning the VOA staff action is very limited....it's almost a "side note" to the event.
I was told years ago....but never had the chance to confirm it that the BBC did a documentary called "The Bearded Warriors" and Santigo's encounter with Oswald is part of that documentary but I consider that "rumor". Santigo is still alive as of 2007....but is difficult to contact. His wife had alot of the photos he had from the late 50's and 60's and I've never been able to contact her or his daughter who might have some of the New Orleans photos at VOA.
> From David Talbot's "Brothers - The Hidden History of the Kennedy years"
> "According to Bay of Pigs veteran Angelo Murgado, he and a team of fellow > Cuban exiles not only observed Oswald's suspicious activities in New > Orleans in August 1963, they reported on him to Bobby Kennedy."
> "Murgado was aligned with the Cuban exile faction led by Manual Artime, > the Brigade's political leader."
> "Artime enjoyed access to Bobby Kennedy meeting with him in his Washington > office, at Hickory Hill,and at the family's Palm Beach mansion."
> "Some Brigade veterans enlisted in the US military but Murgado chose to > join the CIA's covert war on Havana.
> Trained in intelligence gathering methods, he began to detect suspicious > activity among some of his fellow exiles in the Miami Cuban community, a > dangerous level of chatter aimed at President Kennedy. He took his > concerns to Artime, who was initially reluctant to do anything about them > for fear of betraying Cuban comrades. But, said Murgado, Artime finally > agreed to set up a meeting with Bobby Kennedy where they could alert him > to the threats against his brother."
> "At the meeting, Murgado told the attorney general of his alarm about the > growing anti-Kennedy passions in Cuban exile circles. "I told him that we > have to keep a sharp eye on these Cubans. I was afraid that one of our > guys would go crazy. And I said, The same way that a lot of people are > trying to hit Castro, there are a lot of people trying to hit the > President of the United States...we have a lot of crazy sons of bitches > and they're willing to pull anything."
> "Murgado said that Bobby asked him to keep an eye on alarming Cuban exile > activity and report back to him. "We asked, Why don't you tell the > President and use the CIA or FBI ? And he said, no no no - he didn't trust > any of the agencies. And he didn't want to load his brother down with this > situation. So we went outside the CIA and we did this on a personal basis > with Bobby." The attorney general paid Murgado's expenses out of his own > pocket, according to the Bay of Pigs veteran. Setting up private > intelligence operations that he tightly controlled was a well- established > practice of Bobby Kennedy's throughout his political career."
> "In the summer of 1963, Murgado's surveillance work led him to New > Orleans, where he came across a curious gringo named Lee Harvey Oswald. > Murgado and his compadres watched Oswald one day as he distributed his > pro-Castro propaganda on the street. They later saw stacks of Oswald's > pamphlets in the office of Carlos Bringuier, one of the local DRE > delegates who had confronted Oswald in a raucous shouting match that New > Orleans police would report appeared staged."
> "Murgado's team came to the conclusion that Oswald was an FBI informant."
> "After returning to Florida, Murgado met with Bobby again at his Palm > Beach house, where he reported on his surveillance targets, including the > mysterious Oswald. He showed Kennedy newspaper photos taken of Oswald > handing out his pro-Castro pamphlets. He told the attorney general that as > far as he could determine Oswald was tied to the FBI. Bobby had never > heard of Oswald, according to Murgado, but he did not seem concerned about > him because of his apparent government role. "
> "If Murgado's story is to be believed, it has historical significance. > Assassination researchers have long speculated about whether Bobby Kennedy > was already familiar with the name Oswald when it suddenly exploded on the > American stage on the afternoon of November 22. Was this the man to whom > Bobby was referring when he told anti-Castro leader Harry Ruiz Williams > that afternoon, "One of your guys did it" ? Did RFK immediately associate > Oswald with the covert war against Castro because of Murgado's > intelligence report ?"
> "Or did he brush quickly past Oswald when Murgado brought him up because, > as some researchers have suggested, he already connected the name to the > administration's secret war ? The Murgado story may provide an important > key to Bobby's understanding of the crime. It could help explain why the > president's brother cast his suspicions immediately towards the > anti-Castro underworld on the afternoon of November 22."
> I hadn't heard of Murgado before. I see there were a couple of threads on > him back in 2005 but that concerned him being one of the Cubans involved > in the Odio incident. Strange that Talbot didn't mention that aspect.
> From David Talbot's "Brothers - The Hidden History of the Kennedy years"
> "According to Bay of Pigs veteran Angelo Murgado, he and a team of fellow > Cuban exiles not only observed Oswald's suspicious activities in New > Orleans in August 1963, they reported on him to Bobby Kennedy."
> "Murgado was aligned with the Cuban exile faction led by Manual Artime, > the Brigade's political leader."
> "Artime enjoyed access to Bobby Kennedy meeting with him in his Washington > office, at Hickory Hill,and at the family's Palm Beach mansion."
> "Some Brigade veterans enlisted in the US military but Murgado chose to > join the CIA's covert war on Havana.
> Trained in intelligence gathering methods, he began to detect suspicious > activity among some of his fellow exiles in the Miami Cuban community, a > dangerous level of chatter aimed at President Kennedy. He took his > concerns to Artime, who was initially reluctant to do anything about them > for fear of betraying Cuban comrades. But, said Murgado, Artime finally > agreed to set up a meeting with Bobby Kennedy where they could alert him > to the threats against his brother."
> "At the meeting, Murgado told the attorney general of his alarm about the > growing anti-Kennedy passions in Cuban exile circles. "I told him that we > have to keep a sharp eye on these Cubans. I was afraid that one of our > guys would go crazy. And I said, The same way that a lot of people are > trying to hit Castro, there are a lot of people trying to hit the > President of the United States...we have a lot of crazy sons of bitches > and they're willing to pull anything."
> "Murgado said that Bobby asked him to keep an eye on alarming Cuban exile > activity and report back to him. "We asked, Why don't you tell the > President and use the CIA or FBI ? And he said, no no no - he didn't trust > any of the agencies. And he didn't want to load his brother down with this > situation. So we went outside the CIA and we did this on a personal basis > with Bobby." The attorney general paid Murgado's expenses out of his own > pocket, according to the Bay of Pigs veteran. Setting up private > intelligence operations that he tightly controlled was a well- established > practice of Bobby Kennedy's throughout his political career."
> "In the summer of 1963, Murgado's surveillance work led him to New > Orleans, where he came across a curious gringo named Lee Harvey Oswald. > Murgado and his compadres watched Oswald one day as he distributed his > pro-Castro propaganda on the street. They later saw stacks of Oswald's > pamphlets in the office of Carlos Bringuier, one of the local DRE > delegates who had confronted Oswald in a raucous shouting match that New > Orleans police would report appeared staged."
> "Murgado's team came to the conclusion that Oswald was an FBI informant."
> "After returning to Florida, Murgado met with Bobby again at his Palm > Beach house, where he reported on his surveillance targets, including the > mysterious Oswald. He showed Kennedy newspaper photos taken of Oswald > handing out his pro-Castro pamphlets. He told the attorney general that as > far as he could determine Oswald was tied to the FBI. Bobby had never > heard of Oswald, according to Murgado, but he did not seem concerned about > him because of his apparent government role. "
> "If Murgado's story is to be believed, it has historical significance. > Assassination researchers have long speculated about whether Bobby Kennedy > was already familiar with the name Oswald when it suddenly exploded on the > American stage on the afternoon of November 22. Was this the man to whom > Bobby was referring when he told anti-Castro leader Harry Ruiz Williams > that afternoon, "One of your guys did it" ? Did RFK immediately associate > Oswald with the covert war against Castro because of Murgado's > intelligence report ?"
> "Or did he brush quickly past Oswald when Murgado brought him up because, > as some researchers have suggested, he already connected the name to the > administration's secret war ? The Murgado story may provide an important > key to Bobby's understanding of the crime. It could help explain why the > president's brother cast his suspicions immediately towards the > anti-Castro underworld on the afternoon of November 22."
> I hadn't heard of Murgado before. I see there were a couple of threads on > him back in 2005 but that concerned him being one of the Cubans involved > in the Odio incident. Strange that Talbot didn't mention that aspect.
> John.
This would hardly even seem compellingly eventful to me since Robert Kennedy and Artime were very close, close enough to take Artime on ski vacation to discuss options with them, like putting some of the BoP veterans into the military (Mar. 1963), and Artime met with JFK an right before the Orange Bowl before he made his famous declaration about the flag flying over Cuba. And Artime was part of the JFK-RFK plan to invade Cuba from the Dominican Republic and Artime's spot in Central America in a CIA/Exile meeting on the day the President was shot.
I think the crucial element that shows Murgado's claim to be fanciful is this claim about newspaper photographs. There never were any published at the time. The only story published about Oswald at the time didn't feature a photograph and anyone reading it could only have come away with the impression that Oswald was working for the FPCC, not the FBI.
As we both know, there were films made of both the Canal St leafletting incident and the ITM leafletting incident, one week later. However, stills were NEVER made from any of these films until AFTER the assassination, when the significance of the films was realised. Until then, Oswald's FPCC activities in New Orleans were a minor story.
Murgado's claim about seeing piles of Oswald's FPCC literature in Bringuier's office is simply absurd, in my view, if not downright insulting. Seems like an obvious embellishment of t
