Questions About Artistic Styles
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styles - sometimes reflecting techniques, or historical periods, etc.
I do not have the proper education to discuss this more thoroughly,
other that to point out some of the basics - realism, impressionism,
abstract expression, etc, etc. Perhaps another dimension would be
along the lines of - formalism, pointalism, etc.
I have been following your group for quite a while and it occurs to me
that ascii art could be subjected to similar analyses.
Does anyone care to discuss this? Maybe provide some examples of the
various schools? or techniques?
rayo
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I will elaborate to see if I can get this ball rolling:
Much of your work is two-dimensional - like ancient Egyptian works.
The is a more sophisticated trend toward 3rd dimension with
perspective.
Much of your work is a striving for formal realism - that is, you try
to make a pic of an object that looks like the object. But there also
are works that are more abstract and impressionistic.
Somewhere in all this, there is a growing new wave school - hard to
characterize.
There are asian influences. There is a type of minimalism often in
your sigs.
The are outline and infill methods.
etc. etc.
rayo
Henry Segerman
: There are asian influences. There is a type of minimalism often in
: your sigs.
I think the minimalism is also there to a large extent in the limitations
of the medium. It's not possible to put in lots of detail without putting
a lot of thought into how to arrange the composition - small detail simply
doesn't work when you get much below the size of a character of ascii.
Rather like haiku, at least in small sig size items, it's so restricted that
it seems we might be 'filling up' the space of possible ideas tried.
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| Much of your work is two-dimensional - like ancient Egyptian works.
| The is a more sophisticated trend toward 3rd dimension with
| perspective.
|
| Much of your work is a striving for formal realism - that is, you try
| to make a pic of an object that looks like the object. But there also
| are works that are more abstract and impressionistic.
It's quite hard to be abstract without losing sight of what you're
trying to do. I think Valery S-v (post somewhere below/above) does some
excellent looking asciis which aren't trying to look realistic...
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| Somewhere in all this, there is a growing new wave school - hard to
| characterize.
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Elaborate?
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| There are asian influences. There is a type of minimalism often in
| your sigs.
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I think when you say asian influences that you mean lots of geometric
patterns - probably because of the ease of using the forward and
backslashes / \, and that big straight-line thing |.
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>| Much of your work is two-dimensional - like ancient Egyptian works.
>| The is a more sophisticated trend toward 3rd dimension with
>| perspective.
>|
>| Much of your work is a striving for formal realism - that is, you try
>| to make a pic of an object that looks like the object. But there also
>| are works that are more abstract and impressionistic.
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>It's quite hard to be abstract without losing sight of what you're
>trying to do. I think Valery S-v (post somewhere below/above) does some
>excellent looking asciis which aren't trying to look realistic...
>
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>| Somewhere in all this, there is a growing new wave school - hard to
>| characterize.
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>Elaborate?
Ummm ... classical realism tries to make pictures of objects - and tries to
replicate the object. The "new wave" is up to something very different -
neo-punk bad boys, they are.
Perhaps the world-views are reflected by your in-fighting. There is a
surface argument about an "issue". There is a sub-surface argument between
people with different "artistic objectives".
This is little different than how we might imagine a classical painter
would look at the Comic book art of Rauschenberg (?) - you know, pics from
romance comics? They probably would not argue about art - the classicist
would just simply hate Rauschenberg - perhaps visa versa.
Consider the following 2 images:
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>| There are asian influences. There is a type of minimalism often in
>| your sigs.
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>I think when you say asian influences that you mean lots of geometric
>patterns - probably because of the ease of using the forward and
>backslashes / \, and that big straight-line thing |.
The statements about Asian influence and minimalism should probably not be
in the same paragraph. They are different, but perhaps related.
About Asian - there is obviously "anime", with the reservation that anime
is not simply about the "imaginary" objects - but also about style.
I grew up in Japan, so I relate to images from Japanese advertising. Look,
for example at:
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Right off the rice-based cereal box from Tokyo.
Another example of Asian influence is in some of the landscapes and trees.
Minimalism is another, but related, matter. There is the obvious minimalism
dictated by the medium. But there is also variation in styles. Some pics
use lots of ascii character codes (letters and numbers). Some use a lot of
periods, comas, apostrophes, etc - more impressionistic, more pointalistic.
Recognize that I am totally out of my league in this discussion. Does
anybody else, but me, think about this stuff? Or do you folks just make
pics?
Your "art galleries" categorize images by the nature of the object -
flowers, animals, etc. Should there be a gallery which categorizes by
styles or techniques?
rayo
Dave Bird
>In the various arts, historians like to put things into groups of
>styles - sometimes reflecting techniques, or historical periods, etc.
>I do not have the proper education to discuss this more thoroughly,
>other that to point out some of the basics - realism, impressionism,
>abstract expression, etc, etc. Perhaps another dimension would be
>along the lines of - formalism, pointalism, etc.
>
>I have been following your group for quite a while and it occurs to me
>that ascii art could be subjected to similar analyses.
I'm not sure people divide up clearly into styles. There are
definite technical styles that vary from character-weight shading,
block-drawing e.g. with #s, shaded edges
using all 8's or a more subtle combination of characters,
mediumsize line-drawing, and smallsize character-drawing
[viz where the actual character shape in itself is the whole
of one or several lines in the image].
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Fulgore
> trying to do. I think Valery S-v (post somewhere below/above) does some
> excellent looking asciis which aren't trying to look realistic...
Observe the first ever abstract ASCII
AHFKSKDFHGK
TLAJA124!@$!
#$%@$^%#%&a
DHJGHSA&AKF
HSKJHFG1548
6412341sfdg
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":{12$62".
{.";[./;';
I call it "Madly pressing Keys"
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Fulgore
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> that ascii art could be subjected to similar analyses.
>
> various schools? or techniques?
Well, I think about it, although I don't discuss it a lot. There are
some definite styles. The main ones I can think of have already been
mentioned: Line, Grayscale, and Block. I do Line ASCII, ie
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Just like pain based Artists, people get used to their styles. I will
never be able to do a greyscale ASCII, ever.
Myself, I have also been highly influenced by Ool's technique. Mostly on
his Faces, which in my opinion was my greatest area of lacking.
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I like Ool's style a lot. I also liked the style used in the short-lived
comic: Joe. It was something like this:
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\__-/ -- I am Joe, hear me roar.
The reason I like it? With a small diddle..
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\__o/ -- I am Lego Man! HEAR ME ROAR!
I also notice styles considering objects. Some people are 'objective'
(they draw objects) some are 'personal' (they draw people) and some are
'cartoonists' like me. The only problem is, I'm not very good at it. I
love drawing Pics, but still need lots of practice.
And I close with a fulgore Weirdo ASCII:
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_(___) YOU SHADDUP!
( >( NO, YOU SHADDUP!
\__</ NO, YOU SHADDUP!
ra...@number.net
>Observe the first ever abstract ASCII
>
>AHFKSKDFHGK
>TLAJA124!@$!
>#$%@$^%#%&a
>DHJGHSA&AKF
>HSKJHFG1548
>6412341sfdg
>&^*^(^&(^|<"
>>:<.,,'.;,'
><">"[,SDFHs>
>":{12$62".
>{.";[./;';
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>I call it "Madly pressing Keys"
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rayo
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joris bellenger
Fulgore wrote:
>
> > It's quite hard to be abstract without losing sight of what you're
> > trying to do. I think Valery S-v (post somewhere below/above) does some
> > excellent looking asciis which aren't trying to look realistic...
>
> Observe the first ever abstract ASCII
>
> AHFKSKDFHGK
> TLAJA124!@$!
> #$%@$^%#%&a
> DHJGHSA&AKF
> HSKJHFG1548
> 6412341sfdg
> &^*^(^&(^|<"
> >:<.,,'.;,'
> <">"[,SDFHs>
> ":{12$62".
> {.";[./;';
>
> I call it "Madly pressing Keys"
>
mmm... sorry to desagree with you but in my opinion the first abstract
(as well as minimalist) piece of ascii art was:
le dot
.
;D
joris
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rayo
Krogg
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> mmm... sorry to desagree with you but in my opinion the first abstract
> (as well as minimalist) piece of ascii art was:
>
> le dot
> .
>
> ;D
> joris
Yes,And quite an impressive piece.All the originls are
nearly sold out.I am not selling any more for rignt now,so
anyone that wants one will have to find one on the resellers
market.I would imagine that the prices are quite high though
and out of most peoples range.....
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