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Ascii art has been around as long as I have. There were large
"charcacter shaded" pictures around on lineprinters when I was
at university in the 70s: usually either nudes or mickey mouse.
Someone posted that there had been "typewriter art" since
typewriters were widespread -- 1920 or so, I think.
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My guess is that ascii-art begun short after the -American Standard Code
for Information Interchange- was created.
But the concept of using letters as a medium to draw isn't new, really.
At the begining of this century some avant-garde artists
where doing it allready with typographic characters, ink and a press.
But this became more popular during the 60's when about everybody could
afford a typewriter.
And what about calligraphy? Some amazing pieces are a few centuries old.
Mostly poetry and drawing at the same time. WOW!
Back in time... about four thousand years ago the egyptians where writing
with drawings and now we make drawings with letters. Ironic isn't it?
Sure, there is more to find in art-and typography books.
Tell me if you find something.
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From: all...@ugcs.caltech.edu (Allen Knutson)
Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art
Subject: Historical precedent for ASCII art?
Date: 21 Jan 1994 07:11:02 GMT
Message-ID: <2hnv68$5...@gap.cco.caltech.edu>
Historically, have there been other forms of art that are akin to
ASCII art, in using to create pictures a standard set of shapes not
designed for it? All that occurred to me are some of Dali's great
tricks, where several people form a skull and that sort of thing,
but it's not quite the same.
Perhaps a typesetter like [casts invocation] Kibo would know?
Allen K.
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Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art
From: pk6...@acad.drake.edu
Subject: Re: Historical precedent for ASCII art?
Message-ID: <1994Jan21...@acad.drake.edu>
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 15:23:47 GMT
In article <2hnv68$5...@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, all...@ugcs.caltech.edu
(Allen Knutson) writes:
> Historically, have there been other forms of art that are akin to
> ASCII art, in using to create pictures a standard set of shapes not
> designed for it? All that occurred to me are some of Dali's great
> tricks, where several people form a skull and that sort of thing,
> but it's not quite the same.
Quilts, cross-stitch, colored sands, colored brick and tile, mosaic
tile, colored corn, kids' toy blocks, hand-held string figures, ...
Give people something to work with and they will make art.
My 'thing' is domino pictures, done much like the pixellated ascii
except using complete sets of dominos. A 6' by 4' picture of an
astronaut made of 40 sets of double-nines is on display at the Dial
Center at Drake University.
Paul Kline
pk6...@acad.drake.edu
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From: peek...@u.washington.edu (Anna Peekstok)
Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art
Subject: Re: Historical precedent for ASCII art?
Date: 21 Jan 1994 20:53:43 GMT
Message-ID: <2hpfcn$5...@news.u.washington.edu>
>Historically, have there been other forms of art that are akin to
>ASCII art, in using to create pictures a standard set of shapes not
>designed for it?
There's a tradition in classical painting (i.e., Renaissance and
after) of making up faces and figures out of vegetables, kitchen
implements, etc.
Anna Peekstok
<peek...@u.washington.edu>
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From: jo...@MCS.COM (Jorn Barger)
Newsgroups: alt.binaries.pictures.ascii,alt.ascii-art,
alt.ascii-art.animation,alt.ascii-art.pixellated
Subject: META A brief history of ascii-art groups on netnews
Date: 13 Mar 1994 13:24:54 -0600
Message-ID: <2lvpa6$j...@Mercury.mcs.com>
In article <wVT5ic...@mindvox.phantom.com>
on alt.binaries.pictures.ascii,
Sandro Sherrod <oob...@mindvox.phantom.com> wrote:
>Whats the difference between here and alt.ascii-art? With the exception
>more posts over therE?
A brief history of ascii-art groups on netnews:
Rumor has it that there was an ascii-art group on alt years ago,
that failed for lack of interest. No evidence has turned up,
though. The main purveyor of fine ascii-art-archives during the
early 90s had been Steven Sullivan, in his postings to rec.humor.
Alt.config folklore says proposals for a new group had been coming
up every few months, for some time before September 1993, when the
discussion that led to alt.ascii-art began. Resistance in
alt.config was intense, led by Tim Pierce who argued that ascii-art
was binary and belonged in the alt.binaries.pictures.* hierarchy.
He got a lot more support on this than seems credible, in
retrospect.
After a month of pointless hassling, the gordian knot was cut by
Joel Furr newgrouping alt.ascii-art. It was generally agreed that
alt.arts.ascii would have been the better choice (to keep the number
of new first-level hierarchies down), but the group took off pretty
quickly, so we decided to go with it.... except after a month, when
it became clear a lot of sites weren't getting a.a-a, Tim took the
opportunity to newgroup a.b.p.ascii, along with a request to rmgroup
alt.ascii-art, already a thriving subculture!
The tide of opinion turned against Tim at this point, and a rmgroup
for abpa went out, resulting in sites that carried both, neither,
*and* just one or the other-- but abpa has pretty well withered,
while a.a-a has grown to where a split has been seriously discussed,
and over-hasty newgroups posted for:
alt.ascii-art.pixellated (by people wishing ascii-gifs would go away)
and
alt.ascii-art.animation (ditto for ansi animations)
a.a-a.p seems to have vanished, but a.a-a.a gets occasional posts
and may well be revived at some point. I wouldn't mind trying to
move the asciigifs over to alt.binaries.pictures.ascii, since it's a
group that won't go away...
The plan for the future, now, is to create a *moderated*
rec.arts.ascii (Bob Allison has volunteered to moderate). Anyone
with experience proposing and creating a moderated big-7 group, or
other constructive ideas, should write Bob or me...
jorn
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Subject: Re: META A brief history of ascii-art groups on netnews
Newsgroups: alt.binaries.pictures.ascii,alt.ascii-art,alt.ascii-
art.animation,alt.ascii-art.pixellated
From: Colin_Do...@equinox.gen.nz (Colin Douthwaite)
Message-Id: <Colin_Dout...@equinox.gen.nz>
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 21:01:47 +1300
Jorn Barger (jo...@MCS.COM) wrote:
JB> A brief history of ascii-art groups on netnews:
JB> Tim took the opportunity to newgroup a.b.p.ascii, along with a
JB> request to rmgroup alt.ascii-art, already a thriving subculture!
JB> The tide of opinion turned against Tim at this point, and a
JB> rmgroup for abpa went out, resulting in sites that carried both,
JB> neither, *and* just one or the other-- but abpa has pretty well
JB> withered,
Aah...thanks...now, _at last_, I understand why
alt.binaries.pictures.ascii has not been utilised for large
postings; animations; binaries; uuencoded items etc. - it is all
part of a historical private war amongst net.personalities.
All very sad and counter-productive, and (mercifully) unknown to
most of us.
JB> I wouldn't mind trying to move the asciigifs over to
JB> alt.binaries.pictures.ascii, since it's a group that won't go
JB> away... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^
:-) Well that's a start ( and quite an admission too ). Looks like
both Joel Furr _and_ Tim Pierce were winners in the end.
JB> The plan for the future, now, is to create a *moderated*
JB> rec.arts.ascii (Bob Allison has volunteered to moderate).
Whose plan, and whose future ?
Perhaps it really _is_ the answer to create such a moderated group
so that those who are dissatisfied with alt.ascii-art can pursue
their moderated interests in the new moderated group and leave
alt.ascii-art free for those who enjoy it and manage to live with
it's irritations.
From what I have seen of the moderated groups they tend to be dull
and restrictive and soon lead to more dissatisfactions than those
expressed in "open" newsgroups. How many folks want to submit their
stuff to a moderator and have it ignored or rejected ?
For all its faults and irritations alt.ascii-art has already become
a very successful newsgroup having a very high signal-to-noise
ratio. How many of the 4,400 newsgroups on Internet can you say that
about ?
It will be sad to lose the input of talented posters who move to
such a moderated group but I suspect that alt.ascii-art will survive
very nicely.....because it clearly meets a need.
The saga continues........
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| The unmoderated newsgroup, alt.ascii-art, was created by Joel Furr
| in September 1993.
| The moderated newsgroup, rec.arts.ascii, was created in June 1994
| with Bob Allison ( Scarecrow ) as Moderator.
| In July 1996 Don Bertino took over as Moderator of rec.arts.ascii
| with Allen Mullen as deputy moderator.
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Traffic Statistics
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+-- Messages per month
|
! +-- Percentage crossposted
| |
| | + Propagation:
| | | how many sites
| | | receive this group
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| | | +-- Share:
| | | | % of news readers
| | | | who read this group.
V V V V
Feb 94
alt.ascii-art 733 2% 36% 1.4%
Mar 95
alt.ascii-art 600 8% 47% 1.0%
alt.ascii-art.animation 128 32% 35% 0.2%
alt.binaries.pictures.ascii 307 42% 37% 0.5%
rec.arts.ascii 217 13% 53% 0.3%
May 95
alt.ascii-art 413 9% 48% 0.7%
alt.ascii-art.animation 96 15% 36% 0.2%
alt.binaries.pictures.ascii 200 49% 37% 0.4%
rec.arts.ascii 180 11% 55% 0.3%
Sep 95
alt.ascii-art 905 8%
alt.ascii-art.animation 61 34%
alt.binaries.pictures.ascii 110 100%
rec.arts.ascii 309 5%
Oct 95
alt.ascii-art 1062 26%
alt.ascii-art.animation 152 16%
alt.binaries.pictures.ascii 123 100%
rec.arts.ascii 282 18%
Feb 96
alt.ascii-art 788 15%
alt.ascii-art.animation 53 12%
rec.arts.ascii 274 35%
Apl 96
alt.ascii-art 804 15%
alt.ascii-art.animation 74 76%
rec.arts.ascii 185 24%
Jun 96
alt.ascii-art 707 29%
alt.ascii-art.animation 89 68%
alt.binaries.pictures.ascii 104 100%
rec.arts.ascii 35 65%
Jul 96
alt.ascii-art 1100 23%
alt.ascii-art.animation 95 54%
alt.binaries.pictures.ascii 187 100%
rec.arts.ascii 81 9%
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From: jo...@mcs.com (Jorn Barger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.ascii
Subject: Talk: Why I like ascii art
Date: 11 Sep 1995 17:26:51 -0500
[Here's a little essay someone requested, by email]
Wherever you look in computer journalism, the emphasis is always
on faster computers and more memory and more colors... and more
money!
So, when people write about the future of the Internet, they're
always dreaming of real-time video links, multimedia, virtual
reality, etc etc etc.
But for me, what's greatest about the Internet is how efficient
it is at transmitting *text*. For the same 30 kilobytes you
could use for a small GIF on the WWWeb, you can just as well
transmit *fifteen typewritten pages* of text. (It's not even 'a
picture is worth 1000 words'-- it's more like 5000, or better!)
And a videolink uses millions of times as much bandwidth as
would an email conversation...
And ascii text is also the lowest common denominator that allows
*everyone* on the net to share data-- people are starting to
extend email to include graphics and fonts, but these attempts
exclude the majority of users, and we haven't begun to see these
formats (like MIME) posted to netnews...
So the ability of ascii-art to include images in email and
netnews postings could be a very useful technology... if only
word-processors included a simple set of commands for drawing
ascii shapes, or pasting together layers of ascii 'clip art'!
My efforts in exploring ascii-art have been an attempt to see
how much is possible, in representing, eg, maps, or human faces.
I find that if you devote a great deal of time to it, you can
create some very rich images... so it ought to be possible
someday to have rich libraries of clip-art that everyone can
easily integrate into their text files-- if only the word-
processors are revised to make this easier.
But (alas!) the word-processor designers seem preoccupied with
GIFs and MPEGs and WAV files...
jorn barger
chicago, illinois, usa
sept 11 1995
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From: "J. Melusky" <wha...@u.washington.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art
Subject: Re: Why *is* it called ASCII Art ?
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 12:54:18 -0700
Message-ID:
<Pine.A32.3.92a.960521...@homer13.u.washington.edu>
On 20 May 1996, Ken West wrote:
> The ASCII.art FAQ mentions that
> > Before computers, ASCII art was made on typewriters,
> > teletype machines (5 bit), and was created typographically.
> > There are even tee-shirts with the :-) smiley.
> This raises a couple of questions:
> 1. What was it called when done on typewriters (before ASCII
> code was invented)?
Well, according to Andrew Belsey, who posted to this group awhile
back, he says that there is a book available called:
Typewriter Art, edited by Alan Riddell (London, 1975) ISBN
0-900626-99-2
> 2. Why is it called ASCII art now?
> Now, with the prevalence of PCs, using ASCII characters, someone
> has decided that this character-based art is to be called ASCII
> art. When you think of it, once the characters are on paper, or
> even on a screen, the fact that they possibly were orginally stored
> with 5 or 6 or 7 or 8 bits inside some computer memory has nothing
> to do with the art itself; so, can someone clarify how the term
> "ASCII art" came about? And is there any rationale behind the fact
> that it clearly HAS come about? regards, Ken West
It wasn't just someone who popularized the phrase ascii-art. It was
all those who voted in alt.config. A year ago I subscribed to
alt.config and discovered that 100 votes plus a lot of convincing to
create a new Usenet group. I wish I was around to be a lurker back
then but hey they made a good vote of it! Maybe Scarecrow knows more
about the alt.config story? I don't even know if alt.config is still
there? Ahhh break time is over. take care, Jon
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From: "R. Crawford" <rcra...@geocities.com>
Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art
Subject: Ascii, the hard way
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 04:59:17 +0800
Organization: Canada Internet Direct, Inc.
Message-ID: <330CBB...@geocities.com>
Reply-To: rcra...@geocities.com
Looking thru an old magazine (1960 and we won't mention which one),
I came across an amazing ascii artist. Here's the article that went
with the pictures (48K .gif to follow under Subject=Hard way .gif):
All day Guillermo Mendana Olivera works as a stenographer in Leon,
Spain; every night he types pictures. Samples of his work shown here
are, moving clockwise: typings of Ike, of Mendana himself, a detail
from a picture of a church, and the Puerta de Alcala in Madrid.
Each picture takes about 70 hours. Mendana uses small o and x and
periods, dashes and commas. He starts with a paper covering all but
a sliver of a photo; as the paper moves down he copies a line at a
time.
Imagine, on a typewriter! No software to comvert .bmp's. No easy
corrections or fancy font tricks. They didn't even have white-out
then. This man deserves recognition in the ascii art world!
I'm trying to track him down thru family or friends on the net. If
I can, maybe I will post more of his work.
If you have a problem with your news reader and .gif's, you can see
the gif at http://mypage.direct.ca/r/rcrawfor/ascii_bg.gif
Long live .txt!
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From: Dave Bird---St Hippo of Augustine <da...@xemu.demon.co.uk>
Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art
Subject: Re: History of ASCII Art [Question]
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 19:04:10 +0000
Message-ID: <LkGRukAq...@xemu.demon.co.uk>
In article <19970324054...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, spunk1111
writes:
>I "discovered" ASCII art about 1 1/2 years ago... I'm curious as to
>its background. I have yet to see anything written about it in a
>textbook. But I have heard that it was around in the 60s- of course
>not like it is on the internet today. Someone also mentioned to me
>(a long time ago) that they used to create pictures on the keypunch
>computer cards... who was it?
Ascii art has been around as long as I have. There were large
"charcacter shaded" pictures around on lineprinters when I was
at university in the 70s: usually either nudes or mickey mouse.
Someone posted that there had been "typewriter art" since
typewriters were widespread -- 1920 or so, I think.
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Colin! That was wonderful!. Thanks!
Another reason I was asking about ASCII art history (besides my
personal curiousity) is that I received email from a professor working
at the Smithsonian in the area of Folklore Studies and Cultural
Programs who is interested in ASCII art. Her questions raised some
of my own...
If anyone on the newsgroup has more info to add (or if Colin happens
upon more tidbits), please post or email... It's actually very nice to
know more about our hobby.
-joan
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Yes, that is the true start of it.
>But this became more popular during the 60's when about everybody could
>afford a typewriter.
>And what about calligraphy? Some amazing pieces are a few centuries old.
>Mostly poetry and drawing at the same time. WOW!
Caligraphy is taking characters and adding decorative art--not the same
>
>Back in time... about four thousand years ago the egyptians where writing
>with drawings and now we make drawings with letters. Ironic isn't it?
>
And that is using drawings to make meaningful writing -- not the same.
>Sure, there is more to find in art-and typography books.
>Tell me if you find something.
The real essence of "character art" is simply to take the fixed and
arbitrary shape of written characters, and make that into a drawing.
The highest form of it is not block or shade but "line", and as
small as you can possible get a meaningfful drawing from.
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-./\\//\.- two dead men got up to fight //\.-' |/~\|
_\_UU_/_ back to back they faced each other U_/_ | _/ o:____
""""""""""""drew their swords & shot each other!""""""""""""(_/\_/xemu
> If anyone on the newsgroup has more info to add (or if Colin happens
> upon more tidbits), please post or email... It's actually very nice to
> know more about our hobby.
>
When I was about eight years old somebody showed me how to make a line
of soldiers on a typewriter by typing certain characters over each other
(don't remember how though, and even if I did I wouldn't know how to do
that on a computer....).
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Veronica
( e93...@sm.luth.se http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/ )
I first met ASCII-art when hanging in the C64-Scene.
Whenever releasing some of demo-programs, we designed
the directory of the disk with some nice logos and pics.
And then after changing to Amiga in '89 and staring to call
out mailboxes, I met the whole ASCII/ANSI design that
you can do on them, and that's when I started seriously
doing my styles.
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