oooooh controversy!
N. Thornton
Been reading this a while now, like it. I have lots of goodies to
post, but Am I going to get moaned at if I post ascii art wi colour
codes along side the plain versions?
Regards, NT
Sam Blanning
"N. Thornton" <big...@meeow.co.uk> wrote in message
news:a7076635.02052...@posting.google.com...
(What I'm I talking about, I've never drawn ASCII art. Still, I'm fairly
sure ASCII art has to be black and white.)
Richard James
And we would render this how?
Richard :)
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CeeJay
"Sam Blanning" <enqu...@nationalcoursingclub.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
message news:ad3jp7$hgv$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
You would be correct.
Ascii does not have colorcodes.
It's does have to be black and white .. it just have to be 2 colors and
almost all systems render that as black on white.
N Thorton should put them on a webpage and post the link here
N. Thornton
> > Been reading this a while now, like it. I have lots of goodies to
> > post, but Am I going to get moaned at if I post ascii art wi colour
> > codes along side the plain versions?
>
> And we would render this how?
The black and white version would be there for you to see - so it
would be ascii art, plain to see on every puter. I'd just add a colour
version underneath for IRC use. I use a lot of small ascii art in IRC.
Sounds harmless enough to me.... in fact, why don't I give y'all an
example...
I'm going to light a fire for everyone...
( .
) .
.( (
( ). )
)_(_(_
(______)
colour IRC version:
( 4.
) .
.( (
( ). )
)_(_(_
1,5(______)
Thats what would get printed :)
Regards, NT
slim
art and so on. I attended one of the top art colleges in the USA. It was
told to us there that nobody decides what art really is about. The artist
himself/herself determines what art is about. If ascii art is black and white
and thats acceptable than that is fine, but the best artist in the world where
people who went against the grain. Those people like Picasso, Brock, Georgia
O'Keefe and Andy Warhol. They all broke the mold, so to speak. So it is my
believe that if art is guided or structured by people who only want to see it
a certain way then its not really art to them. In this case ASCII art I do
believe could be a very interesting art form black/white or color. Either
way, I've seen some tremendous artwork posted in here. bug is one,I feel, has
a huge amount of talent and Tran Q. Nguyen needs calm down :) Seriously bug
Great Work! and to all I say keep exploring this new art medium. It could
explode in a few years. I know I'll be exploring it. Its all new to me and
when I feel comfortable to show you my art I will.
Jill S
But the thing is, if you try to paint a watercolor with acryllics, it's no
longer watercolor. It's still art, and it could still be very nice, but it's
not watercolor. It's that kind of situation I think.
I, myself, have no problem with an extra few bytes of text on my screen, and
I daresay it wouldn't be a huge problem for people who don't want it to
ignore it. I'd say go for it :)
--
-Jill S.
"slim" <sli...@webjaz.net> wrote in message
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Dirk-Lueder Kreie
> First of all....I'm an artist.
[...]
> In this case ASCII art I do believe could be a very interesting art
> form black/white or color.
You do not understand. You cannot paint a picture in watercolors and
call it an oil painting.
if it has colors it isn't ASCII, because ASCII has only a limited set
of characters that can be used, and none of which is able to
represent color.
You can do colored text art, for example with ANSI, but that's not
ASCII.
HTH
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CJRandall
>Richard James <thisemai...@all.will.it> wrote
hi ...
some of those characters are not printable!
please just post the ascii versions here
unless you encode the chr(0x03) in some way
as it is a control-code
... maybe use a '$' dollar sign?
and denote it as [IRC.ascii] or something?
also give instructions to the user on how
to obtain a Ctrl-3 from the keyboard of
an IRC-terminal ?
this is not a flame ... but now read this ...
and please comment about it
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slim
either way you missed my point appearantly. It doesn't matter to me if its
ANSI or ASCII I guess I'm just saying art is art and just when you think you
can't break the mold someone will. I'm also saying be imaginative. There are
ways.
slim
this....ok so appearantly there are limitations between ANSI and ASCII....that
I learned....cool by the way to learn something in USENET hehehe Anyway, As I
mentioned in another post. There are ways to break the what people think are
confines of an art. Sure it maybe hard to do and take time to accomplish but
it can be done. For instance, lets say you take a Standard Black/White
Ascii...ASCII is b/w right? I think so....anyway if you take a piece of ascii
art that some say cannot be hued. I say it can be done....sure it may not be
"PURE" ascii art, but I question what is pure art. Maybe its ANSI art as
someone told me earlier...either way it is art. It is a perception. What you
may perceive as art some else maybe not, but that is the beauty of art. In
other words, if its b/w that is still art, because drawing with charcoal
pencil can be art.....drawing with a burnt piece of wood could be art, but so
is color. I say lets (as artists) explore the validity and definition of art.
With that said here are some questions.
Do you think that if the art was done in text, whether ANSI, ASCII or some
other kind that it degrades the purity of the arts? If so, why?
Here is something else I thought is interesting....most people wouldn't accept
ANSI or ASCII as art. The average Joe so to speak. I think they are
wrong...but it goes back to the perception thing again.
Would you be interested in see a piece of text art that was color....lets say
on a black background? Do you say that is not art?
****======/=/====
****=====/=/=====
****====/=/======
****===/=/=======
****==/=/========
Is the above example art? or just ASCII art simply? Is there a difference?
Let me know what you think..... I enjoy discussing this stuff.
Jill S
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-Jill S.
"slim" <sli...@webjaz.net> wrote in message
news:uffoigm...@corp.supernews.com...
> I agree with you totally.....but that is not what I am saying. Its like
> this....ok so appearantly there are limitations between ANSI and
ASCII....that
> I learned....cool by the way to learn something in USENET hehehe Anyway,
As I
> mentioned in another post. There are ways to break the what people think
are
> confines of an art. Sure it maybe hard to do and take time to accomplish
but
> it can be done. For instance, lets say you take a Standard Black/White
> Ascii...ASCII is b/w right? I think so....anyway if you take a piece of
ascii
> art that some say cannot be hued. I say it can be done....sure it may not
be
> "PURE" ascii art, but I question what is pure art. Maybe its ANSI art as
> someone told me earlier...either way it is art. It is a perception. What
you
> may perceive as art some else maybe not, but that is the beauty of art.
In
> other words, if its b/w that is still art, because drawing with charcoal
> pencil can be art.....drawing with a burnt piece of wood could be art, but
so
> is color. I say lets (as artists) explore the validity and definition of
art.
This is an ASCII Art NG. Not a general -Art- NG. If you want to explore
other things, it's no longer ASCII. That's the point I was trying to make.
:)
> With that said here are some questions.
>
> Do you think that if the art was done in text, whether ANSI, ASCII or some
> other kind that it degrades the purity of the arts? If so, why?
ASCII art is art that can be viewed on all systems. That's the beauty of it.
If it's mixed with ANSI, or HTML, then not everyone can see it anymore. So
in a way, yes.
> Here is something else I thought is interesting....most people wouldn't
accept
> ANSI or ASCII as art. The average Joe so to speak. I think they are
> wrong...but it goes back to the perception thing again.
Yup :)
> Would you be interested in see a piece of text art that was color....lets
say
> on a black background? Do you say that is not art?
No, we say it's not ASCII art. ASCII art and art are different.
>
> ****======/=/====
> ****=====/=/=====
> ****====/=/======
> ****===/=/=======
> ****==/=/========
>
>
> Is the above example art? or just ASCII art simply? Is there a
difference?
Art is what you make of it. Yes. :)
LGB
>I do understand, like I said before I'm still learning ANSI and ASCII.... :)
>either way you missed my point appearantly. It doesn't matter to me if its
>ANSI or ASCII I guess I'm just saying art is art and just when you think you
>can't break the mold someone will. I'm also saying be imaginative. There are
>ways.
Art is art to the beholder and to the creator, but may not be art to
someone else. But to define a medium to display a form of art for
all to enjoy or view has happen in this group. A universal limited
character set displayed in a fix width font in a plain text document
from whatever background and font color one chooses to display the
ascii-art on his/hers screen.
>>> First of all....I'm an artist.
When ready post some ascii art :)
>>> In this case ASCII art I do believe could be a very interesting art
>>> form black/white or color.
You can color the art and call it colored ascii art as long as
character set remains from 032 to 126 and fix without any ctlr
tags for any single character or lines ( +b, +i, +u ) keeping the
document pure. Its out there take a look but it should not posted
here.
>>You do not understand. You cannot paint a picture in watercolors and
>>call it an oil painting.
But you can use watercolors to paint a picture representing an oil
painting or the way around. But the medium is the same. A canvas, paper
displayed on the wall
>>if it has colors it isn't ASCII, because ASCII has only a limited set
>>of characters that can be used, and none of which is able to
>>represent color.
I do not think any character set has color built in to it.
>>You can do colored text art, for example with ANSI, but that's not
>>ASCII.
Htlm is used to color ascii characters. Ansi use higher characters
and would not be consider ascii.
Take gander, this should answer some more question and/or create some
http://www.ascii-art.de/ascii/faq.html
sorry lost the link to the newer version
lgbeard
Obascii -- one foot in
_.' | | '._ `-.
(_.-.) (.-._) \
`--..__.-'
Richard James
> On Fri, 31 May 2002 20:32:30 -0000, sli...@webjaz.net (slim) wrote:
>
>>I do understand, like I said before I'm still learning ANSI and ASCII....
>>:) either way you missed my point appearantly. It doesn't matter to me if
>>its ANSI or ASCII I guess I'm just saying art is art and just when you
>>think you
>>can't break the mold someone will. I'm also saying be imaginative. There
>>are ways.
>
> Art is art to the beholder and to the creator, but may not be art to
> someone else. But to define a medium to display a form of art for
> all to enjoy or view has happen in this group. A universal limited
> character set displayed in a fix width font in a plain text document
> from whatever background and font color one chooses to display the
> ascii-art on his/hers screen.
If I paint a white cat with watercolours is that watercolour art?
I didn't use canvas but I did use watercolours. Maybe If I write ascii
characters on a page by hand that is ascii art. But I don't think using non
ascii on say a screen is ascii art.
/\/\
(* *)_____/
\ +/ \
(______)
/\ /\
Here kitty kitty.
Richard :)
LGB
I agree with you
Obascii -- a spinning top
__/\__
'-. .-'
\/
lgbeard
Slim
watercolors are watercolors and oils are oils and ascii is ascii and so on and
so on. It is valid to say those things, but if I were to use acrylic paints
and painted an image on a t-shirt it would still be a valid peace of art even
though it would not have any function. So with that said, this brings me to
another thought. In art it is common knowledge that form follows function.
If the function of an art form is to be a certain character set, certain sizes
and so on. That should constitute a function of that particular(whatever it
maybe) On the same hand, you have form which has been said to follow a
function. If I were to use acrylic paints on a t-shirt and wore it all day
and then washed and dried it.....chances are the paint would peel or crack or
simply have been washed off the t-shirt. In this case the function of using
acrylic paints are a t-shirt that most would wear wouldn't work. The form
would be there for the art, but the function or the process of which the art
was create also caused its destruction. Using acrylics on a t-shirt would not
work, so someone decided that they should develope new inks and a new way of
printing art on a t-shirt....like silkscreening. Silkscreening solved the
problem of form follows function in the t-shirt biz. BUT! hehe The same
could be said, if you take that same t-shirt and used acrylics to paint an
image on it and then had it framed and hung on a wall...then that is also form
following function. The function of the art being hung on the wall.
So.....here is my question.....In ASCII art is it going by the single rule in
art of form following function? What is the function of ASCII art? What is
its form? You don't have to answer that question, because one of the posts I
just read in reply is a very good explaination of the form.....but some
explain to me the function of ascii. How is it displayed? For who? What
purchase would you as an artist create ascii art? Lets say instead of an oil
painting?
Slim
Gildas Cotomale
11:47, N. Thornton <big...@meeow.co.uk> wrote :
> Richard James <thisemai...@all.will.it> wrote in message
> news:<oh94da...@server.techdrive.foo>...
>
>>> Been reading this a while now, like it. I have lots of goodies to
>>> post, but Am I going to get moaned at if I post ascii art wi colour
>>> codes along side the plain versions?
>>
>> And we would render this how?
>
> The black and white version would be there for you to see - so it
> would be ascii art, plain to see on every puter. I'd just add a colour
> version underneath for IRC use. I use a lot of small ascii art in IRC.
> Sounds harmless enough to me.... in fact, why don't I give y'all an
> example...
>
Sorry, the IRC protocole does not define colors.. You obviously mean mirc
colors standart ? my irc client doesn't render them either :( So you should
avoid that kinda things..
>
> Regards, NT
BoD
"Gildas Cotomale" <gcot...@ifrance.com> wrote in message
news:B9224FF0.943C%gcot...@ifrance.com...
> >
> Sorry, the IRC protocole does not define colors.. You obviously mean mirc
> colors standart ? my irc client doesn't render them either :( So you
should
> avoid that kinda things..
Yes, and my web browser does not support html, so you should never make html
web sites, thanks.
BoD
Gildas Cotomale
<spam_new...@BoDLand.com> wrote :
lol
What i mean is : don't use e.g the <blink> tag as it's a proprietary one
(only Netscape users will apreciate the effect) ; and same remark for the
<marquee> tag (supported only by Internet Explorer).. and they have never
been defined by any html dtd :( I'd prefer you said don't used acute accents
(but entyties #xx;) because my old (or to much exigent) don't know them..
Same thing for mirc coloring : not in the rfc, then not adopted by every irc
client