Message to Will Dockery
M.H.Benders
Hi Will,
I have some time now so I will post the Mp3 together with some new
pictures to my website this evening.
Some people in my house tonight listened to your song and they thought
it was pretty amazing.
I think it is important we shouldn't rush things too much. I will
write another Zorro poem which I will write especially for music,
so it will flow more nicely with the wonderful arrangements.
So our project could take a bit longer to finish but it's the quality of
the result that matters, right?
I think it would be great if you could record two other versions of the
existing Zorro poem: one in a kind of 'Kenny Rogers' voice over (the
english' and one in which you will sing the dutch version - I know
that's really hard but I think the result will be worth it.
I am also thinking: maybe some female backing vocals with the Kenny
Rogers part? A bit more gospelish.....
As to the video, I think, if you don't mind of course, I will write a
short screenplay for it. It will be a like a minimovie.
Let me know what you think. Feedback is greatly appreciated.
M.H.Benders
M.H.Benders
M.H.Benders wrote:
> I think it would be great if you could record two other versions of the
> existing Zorro poem: one in a kind of 'Kenny Rogers' voice over
Wait: make that Kris Kristofferson!
Alacrity Stone
"M.H.Benders" <m.be...@spamchello.nl> wrote in message
news:418151F...@spamchello.nl...
Please don't feed the narcissistic inversions.
Alacrity
>
Will Dockery
M.H.Benders wrote:
> Hi Will,
>
>
> I have some time now so I will post the Mp3 together with some new
> pictures to my website this evening.
>
> Some people in my house tonight listened to your song and they
thought
> it was pretty amazing.
>
> I think it is important we shouldn't rush things too much. I will
> write another Zorro poem which I will write especially for music,
> so it will flow more nicely with the wonderful arrangements.
>
> So our project could take a bit longer to finish but it's the quality
of
> the result that matters, right?
>
> I think it would be great if you could record two other versions of
the
> existing Zorro poem: one in a kind of 'Kenny Rogers' voice over (the
> english' and one in which you will sing the dutch version - I know
> that's really hard but I think the result will be worth it.
>
> I am also thinking: maybe some female backing vocals with the Kenny
> Rogers part? A bit more gospelish.....
We had Angie Goins doing similar vocals to which you describe, but she
wasn't on an actual mic that was connected to the recording machine, so
she's only faintly audible... as was her little percussion ball she
played.
We, and the audience could hear her, but the microphones are sort of
designed to not pick up all the noises not going directly in with
wires.
> As to the video, I think, if you don't mind of course, I will write a
> short screenplay for it. It will be a like a minimovie.
Yes, I like this idea a lot...
> Let me know what you think. Feedback is greatly appreciated.
>
> M.H.Benders
I look forward to these things... I'm off to Pizza Roma for some money,
then over to Del Ranch, and another run through of "Zorro", and other
things...
"Autograph Of Zorro" Mp3, free preview:
http://www.lulu.com/content/83510
De Amerikaanse coffeeshopdichter Will Dockery oefent in Shadowville met
locale muzikanten om het gedicht van Benders 'The Autograph of Zorro'
op muziek te zetten. Dockery is een authentiek Amerikaans poezietalent
en zal later deze maand als Zorro in diverse clubs in Shadowville
invulling geven aan zijn ideen over Nederland zoals geinspireerd door
het Zorro gedicht van Benders. Shadowville groet Nederland en laat
jullie weten dat de band tussen de USA en Nederland springlevend is,
ook als het gaat om de poezietraditie!
http://www.kannibaal.nl/shadowville.htm
http://www.lulu.com/content/83510
Will Dockery
What? Then *you'd* starve, Stone!
Will
M.H.Benders
Alacrity Stone wrote:
>>Let me know what you think. Feedback is greatly appreciated.
>>
>>M.H.Benders
>
> Please don't feed the narcissistic inversions.
We'll let time decide what's worth remembering:
some dull poetry challenge in which a few amateur surrealist suckups
exchange their piffle, or the great intercontinental cross-disciplinairy
art exchange between Shadowville and Holland.
M.H.Benders
Alacrity Stone
"Will Dockery" <opb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1098994979.6...@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
No, Richard Fry would starve - and is starving -
and is dying, thanks to "Stone".
I sincerely doubt that you speak from an overstanding,
that we share a common ground visa vi our comprehension
of the term you have "I know you are but what am I"'d
back at me, so do some research.
Alacrity
M.H.Benders
Alacrity Stone wrote:
> No, Richard Fry would starve - and is starving -
> and is dying, thanks to "Stone".
Richard Fry, the guy who thinks
group hugging is an artform.
M.H.Benders
Pope Emperor FrogMaN
>
>
> Alacrity Stone wrote:
>
> >>Let me know what you think. Feedback is greatly appreciated.
> >>
> >>M.H.Benders
> >
> > Please don't feed the narcissistic inversions.
>
> We'll let time decide what's worth remembering:
Here's a clue:
Cross-cultural art exchange is nothing new. Nor nothing special. 1000s of
artists have done it before you, and 1000s will do it after you. It's so
commonplace nowadays that no one even takes notice.
> or the great intercontinental cross-disciplinairy art exchange between
Shadowville and Holland.
There's nothing "cross-disciplinairy" (sic) about your project. You wrote
words, Will wrote music for your words. Big fucking deal. Every single
band and composer since the beginning of time has been doing that. You're
just a number in a long line of people coming before you, and people coming
after you. As for your big lame-o filming it? That's called a MUSIC VIDEO.
And that, too, has been done for decades.
All you're doing is making a damn music video. Nothing more. And if people
want to watch a music video, that's what MTV, VH-1 et al. is for.
No one will remember. No one will take notice. Because no one will care.
Except for, maybe, your fellow fag-junky buddies in Needle Park.
Citizen_Cain
>
>
> Hi Will,
>
>
> I have some time now so I will post the Mp3 together with some new
> pictures to my website this evening.
>
> Some people in my house tonight listened to your song and they thought
> it was pretty amazing.
Are all people from the Netherlands a bunch of stoned hippies??
>
> I think it is important we shouldn't rush things too much. I will
> write another Zorro poem which I will write especially for music,
> so it will flow more nicely with the wonderful arrangements.
>
> So our project could take a bit longer to finish but it's the quality of
> the result that matters, right?
If that's what you're concerned about, you should dump Will now.
>
> I think it would be great if you could record two other versions of the
> existing Zorro poem: one in a kind of 'Kenny Rogers' voice over (the
> english' and one in which you will sing the dutch version - I know
> that's really hard but I think the result will be worth it.
Putting on his pants is really hard for Will. Singing something in another
language is practically impossible, since he has yet to master his first one
(English).
>
> I am also thinking: maybe some female backing vocals with the Kenny
> Rogers part? A bit more gospelish.....
>
> As to the video, I think, if you don't mind of course, I will write a
> short screenplay for it. It will be a like a minimovie.
Are you high? No, seriously -- you're baked right now, aren't you? Not
even culture shock could explain away shit as stupid as this.
Citizen_Cain
"Will Dockery" <opb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1098994979.6...@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
And you'd shrivel into nothing, Will.
Citizen_Cain
>
> M.H.Benders wrote:
> > Hi Will,
> >
> >
> > I have some time now so I will post the Mp3 together with some new
> > pictures to my website this evening.
> >
> > Some people in my house tonight listened to your song and they
> thought
> > it was pretty amazing.
> >
> > I think it is important we shouldn't rush things too much. I will
> > write another Zorro poem which I will write especially for music,
> > so it will flow more nicely with the wonderful arrangements.
> >
> > So our project could take a bit longer to finish but it's the quality
> of
> > the result that matters, right?
> >
> > I think it would be great if you could record two other versions of
> the
> > existing Zorro poem: one in a kind of 'Kenny Rogers' voice over (the
> > english' and one in which you will sing the dutch version - I know
> > that's really hard but I think the result will be worth it.
> >
> > I am also thinking: maybe some female backing vocals with the Kenny
> > Rogers part? A bit more gospelish.....
>
> We had Angie Goins doing similar vocals to which you describe, but she
> wasn't on an actual mic that was connected to the recording machine, so
> she's only faintly audible... as was her little percussion ball she
> played.
In other words, you fucked up the technical aspects of it. Great job,
moron.
>
> We, and the audience could hear her, but the microphones are sort of
> designed to not pick up all the noises not going directly in with
> wires.
"sort of" designed? If you don't know what you're using, maybe you
shouldn't be fooling around with it, Will.
>
> > As to the video, I think, if you don't mind of course, I will write a
>
> > short screenplay for it. It will be a like a minimovie.
>
> Yes, I like this idea a lot...
Of course you do.
>
> > Let me know what you think. Feedback is greatly appreciated.
> >
> > M.H.Benders
>
> I look forward to these things... I'm off to Pizza Roma for some money,
Pasko going to rob the cash register for you?
> then over to Del Ranch, and another run through of "Zorro", and other
> things...
>
"Other things" being smoking pot and acting like a fool.
M.H.Benders
>>We'll let time decide what's worth remembering:
>
> Here's a clue:
>
> Cross-cultural art exchange is nothing new. Nor nothing special. 1000s of
> artists have done it before you, and 1000s will do it after you. It's so
> commonplace nowadays that no one even takes notice.
Who said something about cross-cultural art exchanges being new?
If you can't even get the premise for an argument straight, you might as
well start to write lunatic teenage fluff like this:
"In the night, when dreams have come
And hard day's fancies flutter free,
I wander up the meadow some,
And there she waits for me."
M.H.Benders
Josh Hill
Says the author of such unforgettable lines as
That you can't trust women
when it comes to lightswitches because they
are essentially milkable weathermen.
And
I tell him he should drop the mobile phone
he has clenched between his fingers.
Pathetic, Bonkers, and you will never know how pathetic because you
don't speak English. You don't write poetry, you write C- prose for an
English as a foreign language class.
--
Josh
"And for that matter, I believe the forces behind Hitler were
largely catholic - The German Mythology was more a mask than
anything else. No one serious about a superior Aryan race would match
up with Italians. The story just doesn't compute on
that level." - Martijn Benders
M.H.Benders
>>"In the night, when dreams have come
>>And hard day's fancies flutter free,
>>I wander up the meadow some,
>>And there she waits for me."
>
>
> Says the author of such unforgettable lines as
>
> That you can't trust women
> when it comes to lightswitches because they
> are essentially milkable weathermen.
That line is about 1 million times better than
anything you've ever written. Doesn't that
make you feel awkwardly incompetent?
M.H.Benders
Pope Emperor FrogMaN
> Pope Emperor FrogMaN wrote:
>
>
> >>We'll let time decide what's worth remembering:
> >
> > Here's a clue:
> >
> > Cross-cultural art exchange is nothing new. Nor nothing special. 1000s
of
> > artists have done it before you, and 1000s will do it after you. It's
so
> > commonplace nowadays that no one even takes notice.
>
> Who said something about cross-cultural art exchanges being new?
*WHOOSH*
You better duck from all those things flying over your head.
Will Dockery
And the people of Shadowville, at the very least. And other places.
Wanna talk obscure? This will probably be your most memorable moment,
frogman... when you bitterly insisted that Dockery "ain't no big
deal".
Samuel Vriezen
> you don't know.
Might be preferable to writing in a language that you know only too well.
The short of it is that Martijn's work, which may at times be rough, may
be sloppy, may even be conceptually a bit facile at times, may be
everything that is forbidden - even at its worst it's always entertaining.
--
samuel
concerten.free.fr
http://composers21.com/compdocs/vriezens.htm
M.H.Benders
Samuel Vriezen wrote:
> The short of it is that Martijn's work, which may at times be rough, may
> be sloppy, may even be conceptually a bit facile at times, may be
> everything that is forbidden - even at its worst it's always entertaining.
That's a nice compliment. I said it somewhere before: I intentionally
write sloppy stuff sometimes. I don't think polishing does a poem any
good, as polishing does no object any good - it just makes things shiny
and slick. I am more conceptual than most poets but I regard concepts
in pretty much the same way: they can be sloppy or imperfect.
M.H.Benders
Josh Hill
<sqv.do.not.spam@xs4all> wrote:
>Josh Hill wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:32:14 +0200, "M.H.Benders"
>> <m.be...@spamchello.nl> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Josh Hill wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>"In the night, when dreams have come
>>>>>And hard day's fancies flutter free,
>>>>>I wander up the meadow some,
>>>>>And there she waits for me."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Says the author of such unforgettable lines as
>>>>
>>>>That you can't trust women
>>>>when it comes to lightswitches because they
>>>>are essentially milkable weathermen.
>>>
>>>That line is about 1 million times better than
>>>anything you've ever written. Doesn't that
>>>make you feel awkwardly incompetent?
>>
>>
>> No, it makes me pity you because you try to write poetry in a language
>> you don't know.
>
>Might be preferable to writing in a language that you know only too well.
Might be, but he would have to have far more skill than he does. For
the most part he doesn't use the language so much as he utilizes it.
>The short of it is that Martijn's work, which may at times be rough, may
>be sloppy, may even be conceptually a bit facile at times, may be
>everything that is forbidden - even at its worst it's always entertaining.
Well, not quite at its worst, but on the whole, I don't disagree, and
I've said so often enough. The problem is that the fearsome insulter
of everybody else's poetry can't take even constructive criticism.
That's how we started arguing years ago -- I politely criticized his
use of language (which was then even clumsier than it is now), and he
launched, as he always does when someone offers a substantial
critique, into a diatribe about my unworthiness.
Josh Hill
<m.be...@spamchello.nl> wrote:
>
>
>Samuel Vriezen wrote:
>
>> The short of it is that Martijn's work, which may at times be rough, may
>> be sloppy, may even be conceptually a bit facile at times, may be
>> everything that is forbidden - even at its worst it's always entertaining.
>
>That's a nice compliment. I said it somewhere before: I intentionally
>write sloppy stuff sometimes. I don't think polishing does a poem any
>good, as polishing does no object any good - it just makes things shiny
>and slick. I am more conceptual than most poets
Bwah
> but I regard concepts
>in pretty much the same way: they can be sloppy or imperfect.
I give your concepts the highest honors in those respects.
Citizen_Cain
"Will Dockery" <fearde...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Will, go find me five total strangers -- hell, make it ten -- from the
Shadowville area and ask them if they know who you are or what the fuck you
do. Put that ego away, pizza boy -- you're your own worst enemy for it.
>
> Wanna talk obscure? This will probably be your most memorable moment,
> frogman... when you bitterly insisted that Dockery "ain't no big
> deal".
You are no big deal now, you will be no big deal in the future, when Earth
is eaten up by the sun going supernova in five hundred million years you
will still be no big deal. You are a loser, pizza face.
Citizen_Cain
"Josh Hill" <Josh44...@snet.net> wrote in message
news:ckp5o011j1rf1249i...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 23:47:19 GMT, "M.H.Benders"
> <m.be...@spamchello.nl> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Samuel Vriezen wrote:
> >
> >> The short of it is that Martijn's work, which may at times be rough,
may
> >> be sloppy, may even be conceptually a bit facile at times, may be
> >> everything that is forbidden - even at its worst it's always
entertaining.
> >
> >That's a nice compliment. I said it somewhere before: I intentionally
> >write sloppy stuff sometimes. I don't think polishing does a poem any
> >good, as polishing does no object any good - it just makes things shiny
> >and slick. I am more conceptual than most poets
>
> Bwah
>
That's a pretty poor and lame excuse: "I do it on purpose." And what the
fuck does he think he means by more conceptual?
Will Dockery
> "M.H.Benders" <m.be...@spamchello.nl> wrote
> > >
> > > Here's a clue:
> > >
> > > Cross-cultural art exchange is nothing new. Nor nothing special. 1000s
> of
> > > artists have done it before you, and 1000s will do it after you. It's
> so
> > > commonplace nowadays that no one even takes notice.
> >
> > Who said something about cross-cultural art exchanges being new?
>
> *WHOOSH*
>
> You better duck from all those things flying over your head.
I think it could be considered *new* in that so far as I know, there
have been few, if any, collaborations between poets from the
Netherlands and poets from Alabama/Georgia... Shadowville in
particular.
But, no, the whole idea isn't *new*, or was even inteded to be.
"Autograph Of Zorro" Mp3:
http://tinyurl.com/3m9v9
"De Amerikaanse coffeeshopdichter Will Dockery oefent in Shadowville
met locale muzikanten om het gedicht van Benders 'The Autograph of
Zorro' op muziek te zetten. Dockery is een authentiek Amerikaans
poezietalent en zal later deze maand als Zorro in diverse clubs in
Shadowville invulling geven aan zijn ideen over Nederland zoals
geinspireerd door het Zorro gedicht van Benders. Shadowville groet
Nederland en laat jullie weten dat de band tussen de USA en Nederland
springlevend is, ook als het gaat om de poezietraditie.":
Will Dockery
No, Stone won't starve, as long as he continues to suck on his beloved
Houstman's two little things...
The Netherlands/Shadowville project:
http://www.kannibaal.nl/shadowville.htm
Samuel Vriezen
>>>No, it makes me pity you because you try to write poetry in a language
>>>you don't know.
>>
>>Might be preferable to writing in a language that you know only too well.
>
>
> Might be, but he would have to have far more skill than he does. For
> the most part he doesn't use the language so much as he utilizes it.
I'm reminded here of something someone said about Tzara's writing to the
effect that his writing was at its finest when his french was still
imperfect.
Citizen_Cain
> "Pope Emperor FrogMaN" <gofucky...@kissmyass.com> wrote in message
news:<i1rgd.15069$6q2....@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>...
> > "M.H.Benders" <m.be...@spamchello.nl> wrote
> > > >>We'll let time decide what's worth remembering:
> > > >
> > > > Here's a clue:
> > > >
> > > > Cross-cultural art exchange is nothing new. Nor nothing special.
1000s
> > of
> > > > artists have done it before you, and 1000s will do it after you.
It's
> > so
> > > > commonplace nowadays that no one even takes notice.
> > >
> > > Who said something about cross-cultural art exchanges being new?
> >
> > *WHOOSH*
> >
> > You better duck from all those things flying over your head.
>
> I think it could be considered *new* in that so far as I know,
Anything is new in "so far as you know," Will. But that's what years of
drug and alcohol abuse will do to you.
Citizen_Cain
> > Alacrity Stone wrote:
> >
> >
> > > No, Richard Fry would starve - and is starving -
> > > and is dying, thanks to "Stone".
> >
> > Richard Fry, the guy who thinks
> > group hugging is an artform.
> >
> > M.H.Benders
>
> No, Stone won't starve, as long as he continues to suck on his beloved
> Houstman's two little things...
>
Nice Freudian slip, Will. How long have you been a queer?
Josh Hill
> Josh Hill wrote:
>
>>>> No, it makes me pity you because you try to write poetry in a language
>>>> you don't know.
>>>
>>>
>>> Might be preferable to writing in a language that you know only too
>>> well.
>>
>>
>>
>> Might be, but he would have to have far more skill than he does. For
>> the most part he doesn't use the language so much as he utilizes it.
>
>
> I'm reminded here of something someone said about Tzara's writing to the
> effect that his writing was at its finest when his french was still
> imperfect.
Ah, but unlike most great artists -- most true geniuses, in fact, Tzara
never aspired to be a front-page writer for the New York Times. That's
where I think he missed the artistic boat, so to speak. Had he had the
sense to come to New York City and follow in the paths of artists with
enormous IQs and applied himself towards a position in the staff of the
New York Times, his art might be a force to be reckoned with today.
Will Dockery
Not as great as the FS you posted, Cain. How long have you been fagbait?
Shadowville/Netherlands project:
http://www.kannibaal.nl/shadowville.htm
Josh Hill
<noema...@probablynotmebutmystalker.invalid> wrote:
>
>"Josh Hill" <Josh44...@snet.net> wrote in message
>news:ckp5o011j1rf1249i...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 23:47:19 GMT, "M.H.Benders"
>> <m.be...@spamchello.nl> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >Samuel Vriezen wrote:
>> >
>> >> The short of it is that Martijn's work, which may at times be rough,
>may
>> >> be sloppy, may even be conceptually a bit facile at times, may be
>> >> everything that is forbidden - even at its worst it's always
>entertaining.
>> >
>> >That's a nice compliment. I said it somewhere before: I intentionally
>> >write sloppy stuff sometimes. I don't think polishing does a poem any
>> >good, as polishing does no object any good - it just makes things shiny
>> >and slick. I am more conceptual than most poets
>>
>> Bwah
>>
>
>That's a pretty poor and lame excuse: "I do it on purpose." And what the
>fuck does he think he means by more conceptual?
That he can't write a poem so he wrote the Cliff Notes to one instead,
I suspect.
Josh Hill
<sqv.do.not.spam@xs4all> wrote:
>Josh Hill wrote:
>
>>>>No, it makes me pity you because you try to write poetry in a language
>>>>you don't know.
>>>
>>>Might be preferable to writing in a language that you know only too well.
>>
>>
>> Might be, but he would have to have far more skill than he does. For
>> the most part he doesn't use the language so much as he utilizes it.
>
>I'm reminded here of something someone said about Tzara's writing to the
>effect that his writing was at its finest when his french was still
>imperfect.
It can impart a certain color, a certain accidental creativity, but
I'm still not going to hire an amateur plumber. IMO, Martijn would be
much better off writing in Dutch and letting someone more practiced in
English translate his works.
Citizen_Cain
"Will Dockery" <opb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Citizen_Cain" <noema...@probablynotmebutmystalker.invalid> wrote in
message news:<GHNgd.1110$TV1...@fe39.usenetserver.com>...
> > "Will Dockery" <opb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:a19e9c02.04103...@posting.google.com...
> > > M.H.Benders wrote:
> > > > Alacrity Stone wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > No, Richard Fry would starve - and is starving -
> > > > > and is dying, thanks to "Stone".
> > > >
> > > > Richard Fry, the guy who thinks
> > > > group hugging is an artform.
> > > >
> > > > M.H.Benders
> > >
> > > No, Stone won't starve, as long as he continues to suck on his beloved
> > > Houstman's two little things...
> > >
> >
> > Nice Freudian slip, Will. How long have you been a queer?
>
> Not as great as the FS you posted, Cain. How long have you been fagbait?
Shut up, queer boy, and answer the question. How long have you been a
spchinter spelunker?
Will Dockery
LoL... that sounds very much like what I've said for the last hundred
years or so! Up until very recently, when I began reading the books
Colin Ward sent me on writing poetry, my method with poetry was
*write*... if I did rewrites and editing, then it turned out to be
another poem, and I'd have two, or three, different poems.
I've always thought the best place to "edit" a poem is onstage in front
of an audience. Then you can hear the sound of it, and "hear" what
works... and what works for the audience. Something entertaining, that
catches the imagination of real people, is what I've always written
for, and always will.
I've never had the desire to hunker down in some academic closet,
sucking up to some 80 year old shenanigan... I prefer to write a poem
that makes a pretty girl suck my neck, or smother me in cleavage.
*That* is poetry defined, and always will be.
"Autograph 0f Zorro" Mp3:
http://www.kannibaal.nl/zorro.mp3
Shadowville/Netherlands project:
http://www.kannibaal.nl/shadowville.htm
Citizen_Cain
>
> M.H.Benders wrote:
> > Samuel Vriezen wrote:
> >
> > > The short of it is that Martijn's work, which may at times be
> rough, may
> > > be sloppy, may even be conceptually a bit facile at times, may be
> > > everything that is forbidden - even at its worst it's always
> entertaining.
> >
> > That's a nice compliment. I said it somewhere before: I intentionally
>
> > write sloppy stuff sometimes. I don't think polishing does a poem any
>
> > good, as polishing does no object any good - it just makes things
> shiny
> > and slick. I am more conceptual than most poets but I regard concepts
> > in pretty much the same way: they can be sloppy or imperfect.
> >
> > M.H.Benders
>
> LoL... that sounds very much like what I've said for the last hundred
> years or so! Up until very recently, when I began reading the books
> Colin Ward sent me on writing poetry, my method with poetry was
> *write*... if I did rewrites and editing, then it turned out to be
> another poem, and I'd have two, or three, different poems.
So you changed your method with poetry from *write* to *post random crap?*
>
> I've always thought the best place to "edit" a poem is onstage in front
> of an audience.
That's because you're a dumbass, Will.
>Then you can hear the sound of it, and "hear" what
> works... and what works for the audience. Something entertaining, that
> catches the imagination of real people, is what I've always written
> for, and always will.
Hopeless causes make for strange cures.
>
> I've never had the desire to hunker down in some academic closet,
What a fucking surprise.
> sucking up to some 80 year old shenanigan...
So, what you're basically saying, is that instead of attending college and
improving upon yourself through knowledge and experience, you would rather
just laze around like a fucking beatnik scribbling whatever your Carlsbad
Caverns of a mind calls "poetry?"
> I prefer to write a poem
> that makes a pretty girl suck my neck, or smother me in cleavage.
The dream of all pizzabois that never comes true, Dorkery.
Will Dockery
> "Will Dockery" <opb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1099250683.3...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > M.H.Benders wrote:
> > > Samuel Vriezen wrote:
> > >
> > > > The short of it is that Martijn's work, which may at times be
> rough, may
> > > > be sloppy, may even be conceptually a bit facile at times, may be
> > > > everything that is forbidden - even at its worst it's always
> entertaining.
> > >
> > > That's a nice compliment. I said it somewhere before: I intentionally
>
> > > write sloppy stuff sometimes. I don't think polishing does a poem any
>
> > > good, as polishing does no object any good - it just makes things
> shiny
> > > and slick. I am more conceptual than most poets but I regard concepts
> > > in pretty much the same way: they can be sloppy or imperfect.
> > >
> > > M.H.Benders
> >
> > LoL... that sounds very much like what I've said for the last hundred
> > years or so! Up until very recently, when I began reading the books
> > Colin Ward sent me on writing poetry, my method with poetry was
> > *write*... if I did rewrites and editing, then it turned out to be
> > another poem, and I'd have two, or three, different poems.
>
> So you changed your method with poetry from *write* to *post random crap?*
Depends on what circumstances require.
> > I've always thought the best place to "edit" a poem is onstage in front
> > of an audience.
>
> That's because you're a dumbass, Will.
No, it's because it's something that's been tested countless times
over the last decades, and I find it works for me.
> >Then you can hear the sound of it, and "hear" what
> > works... and what works for the audience. Something entertaining, that
> > catches the imagination of real people, is what I've always written
> > for, and always will.
>
> Hopeless causes make for strange cures.
Probably the only thing remotely close to poetic I've read from you,
yet.
> > I've never had the desire to hunker down in some academic closet,
>
> What a fucking surprise.
>
> > sucking up to some 80 year old shenanigan...
>
> So, what you're basically saying, is that instead of attending college and
> improving upon yourself through knowledge and experience, you would rather
> just laze around like a fucking beatnik scribbling whatever your Carlsbad
> Caverns of a mind calls "poetry?"
Actually... yes.
> > I prefer to write a poem
> > that makes a pretty girl suck my neck, or smother me in cleavage.
>
> The dream of all pizzabois that never comes true, Dockery.
It's the basic dream that's driven men into action of all sort from
day one, from fighting wars to getting out of bed to do a job they
don't like, to getting on the stage and reciting pretty little poems.
It's a basic fact of life, to urge to reproduce... or actually to "go
through the motions".
"Autograph Of Zorro" Mp3:
http://tinyurl.com/3m9v9
"De Amerikaanse coffeeshopdichter Will Dockery oefent
in Shadowville
met locale muzikanten om het gedicht van Benders 'The
Autograph of
Zorro' op muziek te zetten. Dockery is een authentiek
Amerikaans
poezietalent en zal later deze maand als Zorro in
diverse clubs in
Shadowville invulling geven aan zijn ideen over
Nederland zoals
geinspireerd door het Zorro gedicht van Benders.
Shadowville groet
Nederland en laat jullie weten dat de band tussen de
USA en Nederland
springlevend is, ook als het gaat om de
poezietraditie.":
http://www.kannibaal.nl/shadowville.htm
=====
Art, music, poetry of Will Dockery:
http://www.lulu.com/dockery
Citizen_Cain
So it's *all* been random crap then.
>
> > > I've always thought the best place to "edit" a poem is onstage in
front
> > > of an audience.
> >
> > That's because you're a dumbass, Will.
>
> No, it's because it's something that's been tested countless times
> over the last decades, and I find it works for me.
Making a fool out of yourself and deluding yourself into thinking they're
laughing WITH you and not AT you?
>
> > >Then you can hear the sound of it, and "hear" what
> > > works... and what works for the audience. Something entertaining, that
> > > catches the imagination of real people, is what I've always written
> > > for, and always will.
> >
> > Hopeless causes make for strange cures.
>
> Probably the only thing remotely close to poetic I've read from you,
> yet.
It's not poetic, retard. It's something I made up that just happens to
apply to a clueless idiot like you.
>
> > > I've never had the desire to hunker down in some academic closet,
> >
> > What a fucking surprise.
> >
> > > sucking up to some 80 year old shenanigan...
> >
> > So, what you're basically saying, is that instead of attending college
and
> > improving upon yourself through knowledge and experience, you would
rather
> > just laze around like a fucking beatnik scribbling whatever your
Carlsbad
> > Caverns of a mind calls "poetry?"
>
> Actually... yes.
Then you are truly one of the dumbest and laziest people I have ever met,
Will. From now on, don't even bother to try to argue that you shouldn't be
called a "pizzaboi." That one admission there clenches it for you.
>
> > > I prefer to write a poem
> > > that makes a pretty girl suck my neck, or smother me in cleavage.
> >
> > The dream of all pizzabois that never comes true, Dockery.
>
> It's the basic dream that's driven men into action of all sort from
> day one, from fighting wars to getting out of bed to do a job they
> don't like, to getting on the stage and reciting pretty little poems.
Wait wait wait wait wait
Are you SERIOUSLY trying to compare yourself to a SOLDIER FIGHTING ON A
BATTLEFIELD?
God fucking DAMN, Will. If this wasn't the Internet I'd slap you right now.
> It's a basic fact of life, to urge to reproduce... or actually to "go
> through the motions".
You're high again, Dorkery.
Will Dockery
No, everything I've ever written has a distict message, and other
underlying layers. I think by "random crap", you have me confused with
Dale Houstman.
> > > > I've always thought the best place to "edit" a poem is onstage
in
> front
> > > > of an audience.
> > >
> > > That's because you're a dumbass, Will.
> >
> > No, it's because it's something that's been tested countless times
> > over the last decades, and I find it works for me.
>
> Making a fool out of yourself and deluding yourself into thinking
they're
> laughing WITH you and not AT you?
Jeez, *everyone's* a critic... even little retarded dwarves, these
days. The audience can take it anyway they want, Alex. The fact is,
though, I'll continue to be there on the stage for as long as I am
able.
> > > >Then you can hear the sound of it, and "hear" what
> > > > works... and what works for the audience. Something
entertaining, that
> > > > catches the imagination of real people, is what I've always
written
> > > > for, and always will.
> > >
> > > Hopeless causes make for strange cures.
> >
> > Probably the only thing remotely close to poetic I've read from
you,
> > yet.
>
> It's not poetic, retard.
I wrote "remotely poetic", midget.
> > > > I've never had the desire to hunker down in some academic
closet,
> > >
> > > What a fucking surprise.
> > >
> > > > sucking up to some 80 year old shenanigan...
> > >
> > > So, what you're basically saying, is that instead of attending
college
> and
> > > improving upon yourself through knowledge and experience, you
would
> rather
> > > just laze around like a fucking beatnik scribbling whatever your
> Carlsbad
> > > Caverns of a mind calls "poetry?"
> >
> > Actually... yes.
>
> Then you are truly one of the dumbest and laziest people I have ever
met,
Yeah right, you multiple Kook Award winner, you.
> > > > I prefer to write a poem
> > > > that makes a pretty girl suck my neck, or smother me in
cleavage.
> > >
> > > The dream of all pizzabois that never comes true, Dockery.
> >
> > It's the basic dream that's driven men into action of all sort from
> > day one, from fighting wars to getting out of bed to do a job they
> > don't like, to getting on the stage and reciting pretty little
poems.
>
> Wait wait wait wait wait
>
> Are you SERIOUSLY trying to compare yourself to a SOLDIER FIGHTING ON
A
> BATTLEFIELD?
>
> God fucking DAMN, Will. If this wasn't the Internet I'd slap you
right now.
And if it wasn't for the fact that I'd most likely beat the holy shit
out of you!
> > It's a basic fact of life, to urge to reproduce... or actually to
"go
> > through the motions".
>
> You're high again, Dockery.
High on life, my little dwarfish pal, high on life.
Real Friendly Neighborhood Vote Ranger
"Citizen_Cain" <noema...@probablynotmebutmystalker.invalid> wrote in
message news:Uiwhd.26$gH4...@fe39.usenetserver.com...
Lady Chatterly's Lover
>
>"Citizen_Cain" <noema...@probablynotmebutmystalker.invalid> wrote in
>message news:Uiwhd.26$gH4...@fe39.usenetserver.com...
>>
>> "Will Dockery" <fearde...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:47fc49bd.04110...@posting.google.com...
>> > "Citizen_Cain" <noema...@probablynotmebutmystalker.invalid> wrote in
>> message news:<6Gbhd.1649$TV1...@fe39.usenetserver.com>...
>> > > "Will Dockery" <opb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:1099250683.3...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> > > >
>> > > > M.H.Benders wrote:
>> > > > > Samuel Vriezen wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > The short of it is that Martijn's work, which may at times be
>> > > rough, may
>> > > > > > be sloppy, may even be conceptually a bit facile at times, may
>be
is that from his or her girlfriend is called wan king ?
>> > > > > > everything that is forbidden - even at its worst it's always
>> > > entertaining.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > That's a nice compliment. I said it somewhere before: I
>> intentionally
>> > >
>> > > > > write sloppy stuff sometimes. I don't think polishing does a poem
>> any
>> > >
>> > > > > good, as polishing does no object any good - it just makes things
>> > > shiny
>> > > > > and slick. I am more conceptual than most poets but I regard
>> concepts
>> > > > > in pretty much the same way: they can be sloppy or imperfect.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > M.H.Benders
>> > > >
>> > > > LoL... that sounds very much like what I've said for the last
>hundred
do you have any conditions i should know about?
>> > > > years or so! Up until very recently, when I began reading the books
>> > > > Colin Ward sent me on writing poetry, my method with poetry was
>> > > > *write*... if I did rewrites and editing, then it turned out to be
>> > > > another poem, and I'd have two, or three, different poems.
>> > >
>> > > So you changed your method with poetry from *write* to *post random
>> crap?*
>> >
>> > Depends on what circumstances require.
>>
>> So it's *all* been random crap then.
>>
>> >
>> > > > I've always thought the best place to "edit" a poem is onstage in
>> front
>> > > > of an audience.
>> > >
>> > > That's because you're a dumbass, Will.
>> >
>> > No, it's because it's something that's been tested countless times
>> > over the last decades, and I find it works for me.
>>
>> Making a fool out of yourself and deluding yourself into thinking they're
>> laughing WITH you and not AT you?
>>
>>
>> >
>> > > >Then you can hear the sound of it, and "hear" what
>> > > > works... and what works for the audience. Something entertaining,
>that
that is "what"
>> > > > catches the imagination of real people, is what I've always written
>> > > > for, and always will.
>> > >
>> > > Hopeless causes make for strange cures.
>> >
>> > Probably the only thing remotely close to poetic I've read from you,
>> > yet.
>>
>> It's not poetic, retard. It's something I made up that just happens to
>> apply to a clueless idiot like you.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > > > I've never had the desire to hunker down in some academic closet,
>> > >
>> > > What a fucking surprise.
>> > >
>> > > > sucking up to some 80 year old shenanigan...
>> > >
>> > > So, what you're basically saying, is that instead of attending college
>> and
>> > > improving upon yourself through knowledge and experience, you would
>> rather
>> > > just laze around like a fucking beatnik scribbling whatever your
>> Carlsbad
>> > > Caverns of a mind calls "poetry?"
>> >
>> > Actually... yes.
>>
>> Then you are truly one of the dumbest and laziest people I have ever met,
>> Will. From now on, don't even bother to try to argue that you shouldn't
>be
the carol chat robot can follow many things, like our discussion about gt
will. try being more or less specific.
>> called a "pizzaboi." That one admission there clenches it for you.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > > > I prefer to write a poem
>> > > > that makes a pretty girl suck my neck, or smother me in cleavage.
>> > >
>> > > The dream of all pizzabois that never comes true, Dockery.
>> >
>> > It's the basic dream that's driven men into action of all sort from
>> > day one, from fighting wars to getting out of bed to do a job they
>> > don't like, to getting on the stage and reciting pretty little poems.
>>
>>
>> Wait wait wait wait wait
>>
>> Are you SERIOUSLY trying to compare yourself to a SOLDIER FIGHTING ON A
>> BATTLEFIELD?
>Dink, can you write any poetry?
i will mention that to my botmaster, ying .
>> God fucking DAMN, Will. If this wasn't the Internet I'd slap you right
>now.
right now, ying ?
>>
>>
>> > It's a basic fact of life, to urge to reproduce... or actually to "go
>> > through the motions".
>>
>>
>> You're high again, Dorkery.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Ricky Moreno
Brother Dave
> "M.H.Benders" <m.be...@spamchello.nl> wrote in message
> news:418157B5...@spamchello.nl...
> >
> >
> > Alacrity Stone wrote:
> >
> > >>Let me know what you think. Feedback is greatly appreciated.
> > >>
> > >>M.H.Benders
> > >
> > > Please don't feed the narcissistic inversions.
> >
>
> Here's a clue:
>
> Cross-cultural art exchange is nothing new. Nor nothing special. 1000s of
> artists have done it before you, and 1000s will do it after you. It's so
> commonplace nowadays that no one even takes notice.
>
> Shadowville and Holland.
>
> There's nothing "cross-disciplinairy" (sic) about your project. You wrote
> words, Will wrote music for your words. Big fucking deal. Every single
> band and composer since the beginning of time has been doing that. You're
> just a number in a long line of people coming before you, and people coming
> after you. As for your big lame-o filming it? That's called a MUSIC VIDEO.
> And that, too, has been done for decades.
>
> All you're doing is making a damn music video. Nothing more. And if people
> want to watch a music video, that's what MTV, VH-1 et al. is for.
>
> No one will remember. No one will take notice. Because no one will care.
> Except for, maybe, your fellow fag-junky buddies in Needle Park.
Will Dockery
So, yes, I wrote the music for Zorro.
:)
Brother Dave
Will Dockery
:)
Mr. Spacey
> Hi Will,
>
>
> I have some time now so I will post the Mp3 together with some new
> pictures to my website this evening.
>
> Some people in my house tonight listened to your song and they thought
> it was pretty amazing.
>
> I think it is important we shouldn't rush things too much. I will
> write another Zorro poem which I will write especially for music,
> so it will flow more nicely with the wonderful arrangements.
>
> So our project could take a bit longer to finish but it's the quality of
> the result that matters, right?
>
> I think it would be great if you could record two other versions of the
> existing Zorro poem: one in a kind of 'Kenny Rogers' voice over (the
> english' and one in which you will sing the dutch version - I know
> that's really hard but I think the result will be worth it.
>
> I am also thinking: maybe some female backing vocals with the Kenny
> Rogers part? A bit more gospelish.....
>
> As to the video, I think, if you don't mind of course, I will write a
> short screenplay for it. It will be a like a minimovie.
> Let me know what you think. Feedback is greatly appreciated.
>
> M.H.Benders
Will Dockery
😀
Michael Pendragon
> Obviously you know nothing about songwriting collaboration, you obsessed, ignorant troll.
>
Collaboration: noun, drunkenly babbling someone else's lyrics from a crumpled up piece of paper.
ME
Oh, and the bar does not have a Wednesday night talent show. It's just open mic.
Will Dockery
Michael Pendragon
> An Open Mic is a talent show... two terms that mean the same thing.
>
An Open Mic means that anyone can participate.
A Talent Show requires (pre-show) auditions, and is often presented as a contest.
However, the term, "Talent Show," can be loosely (read: "euphemistically") applied to an evening of Open Mic perfs.
George Sulzbach
George Sulzbach
> Good find, archiving more of the backstory of the illustrious Zorro project where everyone was in on the joke except me.
Sure looks like it. Benders sure made an idiot out of you and is still laughing.
Will Dockery
>
> Collaboration
To show, not tell, here's an example of collaboration of words and music...
Check out Shadowville Speedway / Will Dockery & Henry Conley:
https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery/song/8798172-shadowville-speedway--will-dockery?0
mydemon...@gmail.com
Or did you mumbleread the lyrics in a rhythmic pattern and have the band fill in as they saw fit?
Brother Dave
Will Dockery
What a surprise.
😀
Will Dockery
😀
Slick Rick Spacely
>
> > I think it would be great if you could record two other versions of the
> > existing Zorro poem: one in a kind of 'Kenny Rogers' voice over
>
Would nlike to have heard more...………………………..
George Sulzbach
> So, fake BD, a malicious and obsessed troll, doesn't care for my singing voice.
>
Will Dockery
:)
George Sulzbach
> Sure, check the Facebook poetry page for photos and videos from the show tonight.
>
Will Dockery
Do you understand how that makes any opinions you have worthless?
Just saying.
😀
George Sulzbach
Will Dockery
My guess is that trolling is your only talent, fake GS.
:)
ME
You're going to get your ass kicked one of these days when you say that to the wrong person.
But you just keep being the ignorant asshole that you are, and it will happen.
ME
I'm interested in your defense of will this morning.
ME
You drove 900 miles and did what?
You sure didn't give him the ass kicking he deserved.
So why would I be afraid of you?
ME
ME
No threat there.
Michael Pendragon
> I've bored so many people to death, I can't remember all their names.
> It's like I was right there, just being my boring self, and then they died.
> If I bored you to death, I wouldn't remember your ... Oh, never mind.
On the nursing home front, you're a veteran;
Boring people to death, there's no better man.
Some have thought you a creep
Putting old men to sleep,
So they've nicknamed you "Corey Kevorkian."
ME
As you well know.
Now, hush little man and slumber.
Will Dockery
https://www.facebook.com/ellen.horn.77/videos/10217366249608936/
And, in my opinion, we had a darned amusing weekend.
:)
ME
Well no one has to drive anywhere for that.
You've overtaken this site and made it a 24/7 blog for your worthless shit.
You've managed that by lying, bullying, using socks and not having a real life.
Wow. Aren't you the lucky one?
Will Dockery
>
> That's not true, Will, and you know it.
> You sold me on Doo-Nanny. I went there.
> Yes, we met. Don't oversell the experience.
> I was my boring self, and you were, well, you.
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/75/aa/38/75aa386ba9ce9169cfcf485f0f978012.jpg
At least we have the one photograph... the historic icons.
ME
Will Dockery
>
> Icons??? WTF??
The Doo-Nanny stage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rvCp_xzWH8
"Over You" written by Will Dockery, Brian Mallard & Jack Snipe audio recorded at Doo-Nanny in Seale Alabama.
:)
Will Dockery
>
> Picture the words you could fill in
> as if this brief verse weren't complete.
> Pick's got a picture with Dylan.
> I think, sir, the man's got you beat.
I'm here for the poetry
not to compete.
:)
Michael Pendragon
It's truly iconic.
It's the Woodstock of Pig Holler, GA.
Why just look at the video ... there must be two ... three ... people in the audience. Okay, they appear to be passing by without even noticing the stage behind them ... but they still count, dammit!
Will Dockery
Why, one fellow drove 900 miles just to see it.
😀
Michael Pendragon
> Doo-Nanny was a huge event...
>
> Why, one fellow drove 900 miles just to see it.
Will Dockery
😀
ME
mydemon...@gmail.com
> Michael, add iconic to the list.
George J. Dance
> On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 4:49:28 AM UTC, Will Dockery wrote:
> > You're an anonymous, malicious troll, fake GS.
> >
> > Do you understand how that makes any opinions you have worthless?
> >
> > Just saying.
>
> Most everyone who has ever passed through this group shares my opinion of you being a talentless hack who cannot write poetry or sing. Explain that.
Simple: They were all you, posting under different fake names.
Will Dockery
>
You, being my biggest, most obsessed fan, should know,as well.
:)