Red Lipped Stranger by Will Dockery (work-in-porgress)

Will Dockery

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Red Lipped Stranger

Her creep crawls
the narrow stairway
of the Candle Light Motel
to watch for her
from a window.

Rethinking
his infatuation
but clinging
to his vision of her
as the red lipped stranger.

Downstairs
the desk clerk's cat
slithers through
the service entrance.

The vampirate
on a motorbike
passes below
to the westbound bridge
werewolf on her back.

Jennifer at riverbend
watches gunboats
smacks her foot
on the bright red clay.

Jennifer gives good lyric
she wrote this poem
she's no bum.

But she's not there
on the other side
of the greenish wall.

Through a three-inch-wall
he hears
bedsprings rattle
rustle of dry-hump,
some guy's mumbles.

Hears the fat blonde waitress
whip it in bondage
the sounds
lull him to sleep.

The hand of Uncle Sugar
still taking notes
as a new standard bearer
hands out trophies
to the winners.

His trillion dollar gash
flakes from the bone
as gravity tears
a pound of dust.

Clings to a picture book
the missing part of himself
as if perpetually
anchored
to his invisible erection.

At Lucky Seven Lounge
she tries
not to reveal herself
but she stubbornly clutches
her empty shoes.

Something
seems missing
in the broad daylight
when the details
are displayed.

All that remains are
her flat black hat
her oversized lantern
her broken laptop.

No poor boy on the street
can speak of her
or the island on the river.
Or about her return...
her resurrection.

-Will Dockery

Will Dockery

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Aug 11, 2009, 6:52:01 PM8/11/09

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Jeeze, a typo already! I need to consider getting some sleep one of
these hours, I suppose.

Dafydd

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Aug 11, 2009, 8:01:43 PM8/11/09

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someone gave you five stars for that...

I bet that cost you a couple of stiff whiskeys...

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Will Dockery

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Aug 12, 2009, 9:45:50 AM8/12/09

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On Aug 12, 9:25 am, Meat Plow <m...@petitmorte.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:48:57 -0400, "Will Dockery" wrote:
>
> >Red Lipped Stranger
>
> >Her creep crawls
> >the narrow stairway
> >of the Candle Light Motel
> >to watch for her
> >from a window.
>
> >Rethinking
> >his infatuation
> >but clinging
> >to his vision of her
> >as the red lipped stranger.
>
> >Downstairs
> >the desk clerk's cat
> >slithers through
> >the service entrance.
>
> >The vampirate
> >on a motorbike
> >passes below
> >to the westbound bridge
> >werewolf on her back.
>

> [STOP]
>
> Does everything you write have to spiral downward into the
> depths of un-parsing linguistic ambiguity?
>
> You might as well just start posting this crap in Sanskrit or
> Cuneiform where it would be understood better.

Wow, thanks for the comment, and for reading, MP... I was under the
impression this one was one of the more easily understandable poems of
mine...

Try "Truck Stop Woman", and btw, Stuart gave me some good critique on
the recording and the band on this one yesterday, and I know you being
a drummer yourself, have a listen when you have time and give me some
thoughts on the playing style of John Phillips, the drummer?

--
"Truck Stop Woman" by Dockery & Conley on 100.7 KOLT FM Cheyenne's
Wide Open Country!
http://www.kmus.com/new2/artists/i/237770?psid=303942

the messenjah

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Aug 12, 2009, 2:46:23 PM8/12/09

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NIce one, Will. Ya gotta watch those red-lipped strangers. They be
after your paper and they'll rip out your heart and kick it across the
room.

http://www.chuck-lysaght.info/
http://www.myspace.com/chucklysaght

Will Dockery

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Aug 15, 2009, 1:22:51 AM8/15/09

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"the messenjah" wrote:

Nice one, Will. Ya gotta watch those red-lipped strangers. They be

after your paper and they'll rip out your heart and kick it across the
room.

//Good Lord, don't I know that too well...

--
Ashli Soul reads her poem "Blue Girl" with music by Henry Conley and Geno
Woolfolk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtT-Q0AKxwc

http://www.chuck-lysaght.info/
http://www.myspace.com/chucklysaght

Will Dockery

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Aug 25, 2009, 5:36:58 AM8/25/09

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"Karla" <kar...@NEVERcomcast.net> wrote in message
news:h6hus...@drn.newsguy.com...
> In article
> <c1661f16-3391-4780...@r34g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
> Will Dockery says...

>>
>>Red Lipped Stranger
>>
>>Her creep crawls
>>the narrow stairway

>>of the Candlelight Motel

>>to watch for her
>>from a window.
>

> The above doesn't make sense - there's missing information. The creep (a
> guy
> following "her") crawls on some stairs of a motel to watch her from a
> window? Is
> the window in the staircase? Is he crawling while he's looking, which the
> present tense "crawls" seems to indicate. I like the alliteration of
> "creep
> crawls" and "Candlelight". Also, "her creep" works well to show state of
> mind,
> the unhealthy mind at that, thinking there's a bond between himself and
> whom
> he's following.

>
>>Rethinking
>>his infatuation
>>but clinging
>>to his vision of her
>>as the red lipped stranger.
>

> You do this a lot in your stuff - sentence fragments. In poetry, it rarely
> works
> well, and so I'm commenting on that since you've labeled this effort a
> poem.
> It's also a telling line, not a showing line. You're telling us that he's
> rethinking...clinging. Consider getting inside his head and having him
> spit out
> thoughts that show the same thing. The reader has a nice surprise with the
> last
> line "as the red lipped stranger" realizing that the "creep" isn't the
> stranger.
> Also, wouldn't "red lipped" be hyphenated? Someone else weigh in on that.

>
>>Downstairs
>>the desk clerk's cat
>>slithers through
>>the service entrance.
>

> This stanza, so far, seems superfluous.

>
>>The vampirate
>>on a motorbike
>>passes below
>>to the westbound bridge
>>werewolf on her back.
>

> Some people like that (paraphrasing prettystuzz), but I think you've
> dunked this
> verse too far under water by referring to the vampirate and werewolf in so
> short
> of space. Your choice of course, but I'm thrown out of the weaving of the
> poem
> into a fabric by the (pop) naming. Consider suggesting by description the
> vampirate and werewolf.
>
>>Ginger at riverbend

>>watches gunboats
>>smacks her foot
>>on the bright red clay.
>

> This stanza feels pasted into the poem. If Ginger is the red lipped
> stranger,
> make it clear, otherwise you've introduced a new person, and seemingly
> started a
> new poem. Both her watching gunboats and smacking her foot on the bright
> red
> clay are good details, but I'm worried that I won't find out why we need
> to know
> that she smacked her foot on the clay. It's stuff like that the pops
> readers out
> of a piece. They'll maybe hold on for a bit, but they'll not trust you
> unless
> you fulfill it, answer the question. I admit to a suspicion that you
> perhaps
> meant another word besides "smacks", maybe a word suggesting that she's
> tapping
> her foot? It's perplexing.
>
>>Ginger gives good lyric

>>she wrote this poem
>>she's no bum.
>

> I feel like we're still in a new poem here. What happened to the creep
> watching
> the stranger? With respect to craft, I have no comments.

>
>>But she's not there
>>on the other side
>>of the greenish wall.
>

> Are we back in the creep's head? Ginger's not on the other side of a wall?
> Why
> did we take the diversion about Ginger at all. You will lose your audience
> at
> this point.

>
>>Through a three-inch-wall
>>he hears
>>bedsprings rattle
>>rustle of dry-hump,
>>some guy's mumbles.
>

> Is this the creep listening?

>
>>Hears the fat blonde waitress
>>whip it in bondage
>>the sounds
>>lull him to sleep.
>

> Is the fat blonde waitress the red lipped stranger? What is she whipping?
> what
> is "it"?

>
>>The hand of Uncle Sugar
>>still taking notes
>>as a new standard bearer
>>hands out trophies
>>to the winners.
>

> If the creep is asleep, is the above stanza a dream? Uncle Sugar appears
> to be
> doing some automatic writing. "a new standard bearer" is boring, invokes
> nothing. In fact, that audience that just left is lucky. Where once we had
> some
> mystery, there is meaningless detail. Why did we hear about the cat? the
> couple
> on the motorcycle? Ginger? Not much ties any of them together.

>
>>His trillion dollar gash
>>flakes from the bone
>>as gravity tears
>>a pound of dust.
>

> Well, the creep is asleep, right? so we're talking about Uncle Sugar? Why
> is it
> important for us to know he has an expensive gash? the science of "gravity
> tears
> / a pound of dust" isn't working as you've left it. Perhaps if you have
> his bum
> cheek brushing on a scythe in its downward descent.

>
>>Clings to a picture book
>>the missing part of himself
>>as if perpetually
>>anchored
>>to his invisible erection.
>

> Here's a sentence fragment again. Are we back with the creep? It sounded
> like
> Uncle Sugar is done for in the stanza preceding this one, so who is
> clinging to
> a picture book? The lines are telling, not showing. The revelation should
> be
> riveting but its a dull thud.

>
>>At Lucky Seven Lounge
>>she tries
>>not to reveal herself
>>but she stubbornly clutches
>>her empty shoes.
>

> Ginger or the red lipped stranger? The way you've written the sentence, it
> sounds like "she" doesn't want to reveal herself but does so by clutching
> her
> empty shoes. The "but" is what does it. Is she revealed because they see
> her
> stubborness? her clutching shoes? both?

>
>>Something
>>seems missing
>>in the broad daylight
>

> I have to mention that "in the broad daylight" made me think of Emmy Lou's
> "Leavin' Louisiana in the Broad Daylight."

>
>>when the details
>>are displayed.
>

> Is there a murder? Is the creep a serial killer who displays his victim?

>
>>All that remains are
>>her flat black hat
>>her oversized lantern
>>her broken laptop.
>

> Had we seen these items earlier, they might mean more now that she's not
> in the
> scene (she is Ginger? the red lipped stranger?)

>
>>No poor boy on the street
>>can speak of her
>>or the island on the river.
>>Or about her return...
>>her resurrection.
>

> I'm at the end and unsatisfied. You write it like a story but leave the
> strands
> shaking in the breeze. The focus moves from a stranger, we are with him
> and then
> suddenly we're with Ginger, and then Uncle Sugar, and then someone losing
> flesh,
> and geez, I can't remember. Can you see why this isn't working as a poem?
> Even
> at the end, I'm perplexed about why no one could speak of her. Nothing
> convinces
> me of that in any of the preceding lines. The best that can be said about
> the
> last lines are the alliteration: river, return, resurrection..."
>
> Karla
>
>>-Will Dockery

I moved this over to the "Red Lipped Stranger" thread where I won't lose it
so easily when I want to get back to it. Looks like I may have some time
today to catch up on some Usenet ramblings, or leastways touch on a few
bases.

Thanks for the critique and comments, Karla, and since this poem is still
developing, maybe I can try to fix some of the problems you've pointed out.
I'll get back here when time permits... now to outrun the sunshine to have a
little breakfast and some WiFi...

--
"Under the Radar" by Will Dockery & Sam Singer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEQDFMNcgLA

Will Dockery

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"Dafydd" <dafy...@gmail.com> wrote:

I've been getting a good response to this one, so far... one of my personal
favorites, as well, really. The All-Stars are really fired up again, and
that inspires me.

--
"I lean more toward Democritus' view that poetry is 'traced to the poet's
invocation with the Muse' than Pindar's view that 'poetry is an acquired
skill.' My problem is that I don't know where my Muse is half the time. It's
like being married to... someone who says she's going to the store, then
disappears for days only to return with no explanation, then wanders off
again..." -Seaborn Jones

Red Lipped Stranger by Will Dockery & The Shadowville All-Stars:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBhcN1WK144

Orson Wells as CitizenCain

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"Will Dockery" <shado...@knology.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Dafydd" <dafy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>"Will Dockery" wrote:
>>
>>> Red Lipped Stranger
>>>

- snip sludge -

.
>>>
>>> -Will Dockery
>>
>> someone gave you five stars for that...
>>
>> I bet that cost you a couple of stiff whiskeys...
>
> I've been getting a good response to this one, so far... one of my
> personal favorites, as well, really.

So it cost you more than a couple of stiff whiskeys then.

Will Dockery

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"Orson Wells as CitizenCain" wrote:

> "Will Dockery" wrote:
>
>> I've been getting a good response to this one, so far... one of my
>> personal favorites, as well, really.
>
> So it cost you more than a couple of stiff whiskeys then.

I can spare them, I usually say "Drink one for me!"

--

Orson Wells as CitizenCain

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"Will Dockery" <shado...@knology.net> wrote in message

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> "Orson Wells as CitizenCain" wrote:
>> "Will Dockery" wrote:
>>> I've been getting a good response to this one, so far... one of my
>>> personal favorites, as well, really.
>>
>> So it cost you more than a couple of stiff whiskeys then.
>
> I can spare them, I usually say "Drink one for me!"

Your lies are as transparent as the saran wrap you use for car windows,
Dockery.

Will Dockery

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"Orson Wells as CitizenCain" wrote:
> "Will Dockery" wrote:
>
>>> I've been getting a good response to this one, so far... one of my
>>>> personal favorites, as well, really.
>>>
>>> So it cost you more than a couple of stiff whiskeys then.
>>
>> I can spare them, I usually say "Drink one for me!"
>
> Your lies are as transparent as the saran wrap you use for car windows,
> Dockery.

What lies, Orson?

--

Orson Wells as CitizenCain

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"Will Dockery" <shado...@knology.net> wrote in message

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> "Orson Wells as CitizenCain" wrote:
>> "Will Dockery" wrote:
>>
>>>> I've been getting a good response to this one, so far... one of my
>>>>> personal favorites, as well, really.
>>>>
>>>> So it cost you more than a couple of stiff whiskeys then.
>>>
>>> I can spare them, I usually say "Drink one for me!"
>>
>> Your lies are as transparent as the saran wrap you use for car windows,
>> Dockery.
>
> What lies, Orson?

The lies about you not drinking, stupid.

Will Dockery

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Oct 9, 2009, 12:59:52 PM10/9/09

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"Orson Wells as CitizenCain" <noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:
>
> The lies about you not drinking

I haven't had a drop of booze since New Years Day 2008, and this is a
provable fact, Orson.

--

Karla

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Oct 9, 2009, 3:15:57 PM10/9/09

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On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:59:52 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery
<will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:

>"Orson Wells as CitizenCain" <noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:
>>
>> The lies about you not drinking
>
>I haven't had a drop of booze since New Years Day 2008, and this is a
>provable fact, Orson.

You have lab results from daily urine samples or blood samples? I'm
not even sure that would be conclusive. Do you have some new device
around your ankle testing your blood 24/7? Please tell me so I can
stop laughing which is making me cough! How is the statement that
you "haven't had a drop of booze since New Years Day 2008" not a
lie, but provable fact?

And congrats on remaining sober.

<snip>

--
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Will Dockery

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Oct 9, 2009, 4:07:05 PM10/9/09

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On Aug 11, 8:01 pm, Dafydd <dafyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12 Aug, 10:48, "Will Dockery" wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBhcN1WK144

Red Lipped Stranger by Will Dockery & The Shadowville All-Stars /
Written by Will Dockery, Brian Mallard & Henry Conley / Vocals - Will
Dockery / Vocals - Gini Woolfolk / Guitar - Brian Mallard / Art - Gary
Frankfurth / Produced by Robbie Wright © 2009

According to the site, it has been rated 5 stars 9 times, so far, and
some good comments, so far, as well:

Falke58 (23 hours ago) Hi Will!
Sorry for very late comments. This is a awesome fantastic song, The
best I´ve heard from you. Love the background vocals from Ginni, it
clothes the song greatly. Knowed that you have very big
talent. Very best wishes
Michael
P.S soon my friend I wanna do a thing with your music. This was really
good, Will

theloathlydaddy (3 days ago) Terrific video, great song, amazing job,
Will!

CurtisMateer (4 days ago) Nice writing. Desire coming through
influentially in the backing singer sounding rather like Emmy Lou.
It's very alt country in its electric stacatto guitar, grungy almost
with a Lou Reed style of vocal delivery to my ears. Another visceral
delight to appreciate on YT.

nidgetucker (6 days ago) Great Artwork and very poetic Excellent
Will.

clintonscigar (1 week ago) good job!

Bodyguard12000 (1 week ago) Nice song, loved the music.I worked at all
those places,lol! Great work guys.

prettystuzz

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Oct 9, 2009, 9:35:38 PM10/9/09

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In article <np2vc51guelia0ajm...@4ax.com>,
Karla <kar...@NEVERcomcast.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:59:52 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery
> <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >"Orson Wells as CitizenCain" <noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:
> >>
> >> The lies about you not drinking
> >
> >I haven't had a drop of booze since New Years Day 2008, and this is a
> >provable fact, Orson.
>
> You have lab results from daily urine samples or blood samples? I'm
> not even sure that would be conclusive. Do you have some new device
> around your ankle testing your blood 24/7? Please tell me so I can
> stop laughing which is making me cough! How is the statement that
> you "haven't had a drop of booze since New Years Day 2008" not a
> lie, but provable fact?

Will replied to Orson, the provably illiterate English Major, probably
knowing that Orson "I am an English Major" Wells wouldn't know the
difference among 'provable', 'demonstrable', and 'inarguable'.

>
> And congrats on remaining sober.

I'd say 'temperate' or 'abstemious', never 'sober' where Will's
concerned; but I'm not the one who's agreed to a truce and tries to keep
it in force.

>
> <snip>
>
>
> --
> If questioning whether or not posts or posters
> on r.a.p. or a.a.p.c. bother me, please review
> my omnibus bothers at:
> Message-ID: <hag28...@drn.newsguy.com>

[posted only to alt.arts.poetry.comments]

Karla

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Oct 9, 2009, 9:44:52 PM10/9/09

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On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:35:38 -0400, prettystuzz
<leic...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>In article <np2vc51guelia0ajm...@4ax.com>,
> Karla <kar...@NEVERcomcast.net> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:59:52 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery
>> <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >"Orson Wells as CitizenCain" <noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> The lies about you not drinking
>> >
>> >I haven't had a drop of booze since New Years Day 2008, and this is a
>> >provable fact, Orson.
>>
>> You have lab results from daily urine samples or blood samples? I'm
>> not even sure that would be conclusive. Do you have some new device
>> around your ankle testing your blood 24/7? Please tell me so I can
>> stop laughing which is making me cough! How is the statement that
>> you "haven't had a drop of booze since New Years Day 2008" not a
>> lie, but provable fact?
>
>Will replied to Orson, the provably illiterate English Major, probably
>knowing that Orson "I am an English Major" Wells wouldn't know the
>difference among 'provable', 'demonstrable', and 'inarguable'.

Correction, Will replied "in kind" which is ain't no kind of Keith
Richards' cover.

>>
>> And congrats on remaining sober.
>
>I'd say 'temperate' or 'abstemious',

If you really want to come down from 'erudite' you'd get down with
'sober'.

>never 'sober' where Will's
>concerned; but I'm not the one who's agreed to a truce and tries to keep
>it in force.

And why's that?

Will Dockery

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Oct 9, 2009, 10:02:38 PM10/9/09

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On Oct 9, 9:44 pm, Karla <karl...@NEVERcomcast.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:35:38 -0400, prettystuzz wrote:
> > Karla <karl...@NEVERcomcast.net> wrote:

> >>Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >"Orson Wells as CitizenCain" <noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:
>
> >> >> The lies about you not drinking
>
> >> >I haven't had a drop of booze since New Years Day 2008, and this is a
> >> >provable fact, Orson.
>
> >> You have lab results from daily urine samples or blood samples? I'm
> >> not even sure that would be conclusive. Do you have some new device
> >> around your ankle testing your blood 24/7? Please tell me so I can
> >> stop laughing which is making me cough! How is the statement that
> >> you "haven't had a drop of booze since New Years Day 2008" not a
> >> lie, but provable fact?
>
> >Will replied to Orson, the provably illiterate English Major, probably
> >knowing that Orson "I am an English Major" Wells wouldn't know the
> >difference among 'provable', 'demonstrable', and 'inarguable'.
>
> Correction, Will replied "in kind" which is ain't no kind of Keith
> Richards' cover.

So, you know less about Keith Richards than you do Leonard Cohen,
then, Karla?

Beatles fans... sheeesh.

> >> And congrats on remaining sober.
>
> >I'd say 'temperate' or 'abstemious',
>
> If you really want to come down from 'erudite' you'd get down with
> 'sober'.
>
> >never 'sober' where Will's
> >concerned; but I'm not the one who's agreed to a truce and tries to keep it in force.
>
> And why's that?

Why the hell not? Why are you so angry all you can do is come on the
newsgroups spoiling for a fight, day-in-&-day-out, Karla?

Lighten up, let's have a truce!

prettystuzz

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Oct 9, 2009, 11:35:03 PM10/9/09

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In article <sbpvc5d8sgja0tmug...@4ax.com>,
Karla <kar...@NEVERcomcast.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:35:38 -0400, prettystuzz
> <leic...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> >In article <np2vc51guelia0ajm...@4ax.com>,
> > Karla <kar...@NEVERcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:59:52 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery
> >> <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >"Orson Wells as CitizenCain" <noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> The lies about you not drinking
> >> >
> >> >I haven't had a drop of booze since New Years Day 2008, and this is a
> >> >provable fact, Orson.
> >>
> >> You have lab results from daily urine samples or blood samples? I'm
> >> not even sure that would be conclusive. Do you have some new device
> >> around your ankle testing your blood 24/7? Please tell me so I can
> >> stop laughing which is making me cough! How is the statement that
> >> you "haven't had a drop of booze since New Years Day 2008" not a
> >> lie, but provable fact?
> >
> >Will replied to Orson, the provably illiterate English Major, probably
> >knowing that Orson "I am an English Major" Wells wouldn't know the
> >difference among 'provable', 'demonstrable', and 'inarguable'.
>
> Correction, Will replied "in kind" which is ain't no kind of Keith
> Richards' cover.

If Will didn't mention Keith in that post, it's like Tom tells Senator
Geary in Fredo's rub joint about the disemboweled sex worker, and with
Shakespearean picture-poesy, wiping his palms twice, right palm up, then
left palm up: "It's as though she never existed, and all that remains is
our friendship", thumbing at the end to make the point.

>
> >>
> >> And congrats on remaining sober.
> >
> >I'd say 'temperate' or 'abstemious',
>
> If you really want to come down from 'erudite' you'd get down with
> 'sober'.

No wonder! I kept trying to look up 'eurodight' and couldn't find it
anywhere.

>
> >never 'sober' where Will's
> >concerned; but I'm not the one who's agreed to a truce and tries to keep
> >it in force.
>
> And why's that?

It's never been offered, not even a cease-fire. We have a tacit
agreement: I don't deny I'm the best Usenet poet, he doesn't deny he's a
vengeful fuck.

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= snip stupidity, which is basically everything =

Dumbass.

Will Dockery

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Oct 11, 2009, 5:47:30 AM10/11/09

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On Oct 9, 11:35 pm, prettystuzz <leich...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Karla <karl...@NEVERcomcast.net> wrote:
> > On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:35:38 -0400, prettystuzz wrote:
> > > Karla <karl...@NEVERcomcast.net> wrote:

That's about the long and short of it:

"You be me for a while, and I'll be you." -Paul Westerberg

Will Dockery

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Oct 11, 2009, 3:21:09 PM10/11/09

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"Orson Wells as CitizenCain" wrote:
>

> Dumbass.

Your admission (as proven by Stuart, yesterday) is noted, Dink.

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Oct 12, 2009, 5:41:09 PM10/12/09

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> "Orson Wells as CitizenCain" wrote:
>>
>> Dumbass.
>
> Your admission

...does not exits.

Have a nice "life" in your made-up world of the mediocre.

Will Dockery

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Oct 12, 2009, 6:02:10 PM10/12/09

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"Orson Wells as CitizenCain" wrote:

> "Will Dockery" wrote:.

>
> > Your admission
>
> ...does not exits.

"...Will replied to Orson, the provably illiterate English Major,

probably
knowing that Orson "I am an English Major" Wells wouldn't know the

difference among 'provable', 'demonstrable', and 'inarguable'..." -
Stuart Leichter

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Oct 12, 2009, 6:29:39 PM10/12/09

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"Will Dockery" <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> "Orson Wells as CitizenCain" wrote:
>> "Will Dockery" wrote:.
>>
>> > Your admission
>>
>> ...does not exits.
>

> "...QUACK

It still does not exist, Duckery. Dip your head into the marshland all you
want, you'll still come up with mud on your face.

Will Dockery

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Oct 12, 2009, 7:57:18 PM10/12/09

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Karla <karl...@NEVERcomcast.net> wrote:
>prettystuzz wrote:
> > Karla <karl...@NEVERcomcast.net> wrote:

> >> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:59:52 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >"Orson Wells as CitizenCain" <noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:
>
> >> >> The lies about you not drinking
>
> >> >I haven't had a drop of booze since New Years Day 2008, and this is a
> >> >provable fact, Orson.
>
> >> You have lab results from daily urine samples or blood samples? I'm
> >> not even sure that would be conclusive. Do you have some new device
> >> around your ankle testing your blood 24/7? Please tell me so I can
> >> stop laughing which is making me cough! How is the statement that
> >> you "haven't had a drop of booze since New Years Day 2008" not a
> >> lie, but provable fact?
>
> >Will replied to Orson, the provably illiterate English Major, probably
> >knowing that Orson "I am an English Major" Wells wouldn't know the
> >difference among 'provable', 'demonstrable', and 'inarguable'.
>

> >> And congrats on remaining sober.
>
> >I'd say 'temperate' or 'abstemious',
>
> If you really want to come down from 'erudite' you'd get down with 'sober'.
>
> >never 'sober' where Will's concerned; but I'm not the one who's agreed to a truce and tries to keep it in force.
>
> And why's that?

I've agreed to a truce... is it on again?

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Oct 12, 2009, 8:44:37 PM10/12/09

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"Will Dockery" <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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Karla <karl...@NEVERcomcast.net> wrote:
>prettystuzz wrote:
> > Karla <karl...@NEVERcomcast.net> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:59:52 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >"Orson Wells as CitizenCain" <noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:
>
> >> >> The lies about you not drinking
>
> >> >I haven't had a drop of booze since New Years Day 2008, and this is a
> >> >provable fact, Orson.
>
> >> You have lab results from daily urine samples or blood samples? I'm
> >> not even sure that would be conclusive. Do you have some new device
> >> around your ankle testing your blood 24/7? Please tell me so I can
> >> stop laughing which is making me cough! How is the statement that
> >> you "haven't had a drop of booze since New Years Day 2008" not a
> >> lie, but provable fact?
>
> >Will replied to Orson, the provably illiterate English Major, probably
> >knowing that Orson "I am an English Major" Wells wouldn't know the
> >difference among 'provable', 'demonstrable', and 'inarguable'.
>
> >> And congrats on remaining sober.
>
> >I'd say 'temperate' or 'abstemious',

I'd say "liar" or "falsehoods."

>
> If you really want to come down from 'erudite' you'd get down with
> 'sober'.
>

If you really want to come down from 'six beers and a shot of vodka' you'd
get down with 'dockery is a lush.'

> >never 'sober' where Will's concerned; but I'm not the one who's agreed to
> >a truce and tries to keep it in force.
>
> And why's that?

I've agreed to a truce... is it on again?

A truce for what, Will? The whole "battle of wits with an unarmed person"
thing seems to apply to you...
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"Orson Wells as CitizenCain" <noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:
> Karla <karl...@NEVERcomcast.net> wrote:
> >prettystuzz wrote:
> > > Karla <karl...@NEVERcomcast.net> wrote:
> > >> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:59:52 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> >"Orson Wells as CitizenCain" <noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:
>
> > >> >> The lies about you not drinking
>
> > >> >I haven't had a drop of booze since New Years Day 2008, and this is
> > >> >a
> > >> >provable fact, Orson.
>
> > >> You have lab results from daily urine samples or blood samples? I'm
> > >> not even sure that would be conclusive. Do you have some new device
> > >> around your ankle testing your blood 24/7? Please tell me so I can
> > >> stop laughing which is making me cough! How is the statement that
> > >> you "haven't had a drop of booze since New Years Day 2008" not a
> > >> lie, but provable fact?
>
> > >Will replied to Orson, the provably illiterate English Major, probably
> > >knowing that Orson "I am an English Major" Wells wouldn't know the
> > >difference among 'provable', 'demonstrable', and 'inarguable'.
>
> > >> And congrats on remaining sober.
>
> > >I'd say 'temperate' or 'abstemious',
>
> I'd say "liar" or "falsehoods."

And you'd be wrong, as usual, Orson.

--
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http://www.myspace.com/willdockery

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Oct 12, 2009, 9:31:45 PM10/12/09

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"Will Dockery" <shado...@knology.net> wrote in message

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> "Orson Wells as CitizenCain" <noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:
>> Karla <karl...@NEVERcomcast.net> wrote:
>> >prettystuzz wrote:
>> > > Karla <karl...@NEVERcomcast.net> wrote:
>> > >> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:59:52 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery wrote:
>> > >> >"Orson Wells as CitizenCain" <noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:
>>
>> > >> >> The lies about you not drinking
>>
>> > >> >I haven't had a drop of booze since New Years Day 2008, and this is
>> > >> >a
>> > >> >provable fact, Orson.
>>
>> > >> You have lab results from daily urine samples or blood samples? I'm
>> > >> not even sure that would be conclusive. Do you have some new device
>> > >> around your ankle testing your blood 24/7? Please tell me so I can
>> > >> stop laughing which is making me cough! How is the statement that
>> > >> you "haven't had a drop of booze since New Years Day 2008" not a
>> > >> lie, but provable fact?
>>
>> > >Will replied to Orson, the provably illiterate English Major, probably
>> > >knowing that Orson "I am an English Major" Wells wouldn't know the
>> > >difference among 'provable', 'demonstrable', and 'inarguable'.
>>
>> > >> And congrats on remaining sober.
>>
>> > >I'd say 'temperate' or 'abstemious',
>>
>> I'd say "liar" or "falsehoods."
>
> And you'd be wrong,

And you'd just have proven my point above. Good job, nimrod. Even Elmer Fudd
was smarter than this in dealing with Bugs Bunny.

Will Dockery

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Oct 12, 2009, 9:37:52 PM10/12/09

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"Orson Wells as CitizenCain" <noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:

>prettystuzz wrote:
>
>>Will replied to Orson, the provably illiterate English Major, probably
>>knowing that Orson "I am an English Major" Wells wouldn't know the
>>difference among 'provable', 'demonstrable', and 'inarguable'.
>

> And you'd just have proven

That you're "provably illiterate", Orson?

"We know." -Dennis M. Hammes, Litt. D.

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Oct 13, 2009, 9:02:26 AM10/13/09

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"Will Dockery" <shado...@knology.net> wrote in message

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> "Orson Wells as CitizenCain" <noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:
>>prettystuzz wrote:
>>
>>>Will replied to Orson, the provably illiterate English Major, probably
>>>knowing that Orson "I am an English Major" Wells wouldn't know the
>>>difference among 'provable', 'demonstrable', and 'inarguable'.
>>
>> And you'd just have proven
>
> That

Will Dockery is a douchebag dullard dumbass dunce?

"We know."

Will Dockery

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Oct 16, 2009, 7:03:12 PM10/16/09

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"Orson Wells as CitizenCain" <noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:
>prettystuzz wrote:
>
> >>>Will replied to Orson, the provably illiterate English Major, probably
> >>>knowing that Orson "I am an English Major" Wells wouldn't know the
> >>>difference among 'provable', 'demonstrable', and 'inarguable'.
>
> >> And you'd just have proven
>
> > That
>
> Will Dockery is

Your favorite obsession?

> "We know." -Dennis M. Hammes, Litt. D.

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"Will Dockery" <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> "Orson Wells as CitizenCain" <noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:
>>prettystuzz wrote:
>>
>> >>>Will replied to Orson, the provably illiterate English Major, probably
>> >>>knowing that Orson "I am an English Major" Wells wouldn't know the
>> >>>difference among 'provable', 'demonstrable', and 'inarguable'.
>>
>> >> And you'd just have proven
>>
>> > That
>>
>> Will Dockery is
>

a clueless, brain-dead twit.

Will Dockery

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Oct 17, 2009, 9:43:31 AM10/17/09

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"Orson Wells as CitizenCain" <noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:

> "Will Dockery" wrote:

>>prettystuzz wrote:
>
>>Will replied to Orson, the provably illiterate English Major, probably
>>knowing that Orson "I am an English Major" Wells wouldn't know the
>>difference among 'provable', 'demonstrable', and 'inarguable'.
>

> Even Elmer Fudd was smarter than this in dealing with Bugs Bunny.

I've seen your photo, Orson:

http://img206.imageshack.us/i/dinkws02bj6.jpg/

And you would make a good EF, actually, Orson... maybe this would
revive that career in Hollywood you bragged so much about before the
fact, so many years ago?

Orson Wells as CitizenCain

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"Will Dockery" <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> "Orson Wells as CitizenCain" <noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:
>> "Will Dockery" wrote:
>>>prettystuzz wrote:
>>
>>>Will replied to Orson, the provably illiterate English Major, probably
>>>knowing that Orson "I am an English Major" Wells wouldn't know the
>>>difference among 'provable', 'demonstrable', and 'inarguable'.
>>
>> Even Elmer Fudd was smarter than this in dealing with Bugs Bunny.
>
> I've seen your photo, Orson:

= snip =

And? So the fuck what? Any of my photos are still tons better than yours,
each of which has its own comic values. I like the one that makes you look
like a loser from "Bumfights."

Will Dockery

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Oct 17, 2009, 12:34:26 PM10/17/09

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"Orson Wells as CitizenCain" <noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:
>"Will Dockery" wrote:
>>prettystuzz wrote:
>
> >>>Will replied to Orson, the provably illiterate English Major, probably
> >>>knowing that Orson "I am an English Major" Wells wouldn't know the
> >>>difference among 'provable', 'demonstrable', and 'inarguable'.
>
> >> Even Elmer Fudd was smarter than this in dealing with Bugs Bunny.
>
> > I've seen your photo, Orson:
>
> = snip =
>
> And?

That you'd make a great Elmer Fudd in a live action Bugs Bunny film,
as I wrote earlier and you accidentally snipped.

Orson Wells as CitizenCain

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Oct 17, 2009, 2:39:44 PM10/17/09

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"Will Dockery" <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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= snip the quacking =

DUCKERY SEASON!!!!
WABBIT SEASON!!!
DUCKERY SEASON!!

You nimrod.

G&tSP

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Oct 17, 2009, 2:51:32 PM10/17/09

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On Oct 17, 2:39 pm, "Orson Wells as CitizenCain"
<noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:
> "Will Dockery" <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:57f07b7c-a019-4223...@f16g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
> = snip the quacking =
>
> DUCKERY SEASON!!!!
> WABBIT SEASON!!!
> DUCKERY SEASON!!
>

You know, if you made the middle one "PETER WABBIT SEASON," and gave
the two seasons more equal time, I'd enjoy reading more of your posts.

> You nimrod.

Will Dockery

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On Oct 17, 2:51 pm, "G&tSP" <gand...@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> On Oct 17, 2:39 pm, "Orson Wells as CitizenCain" wrote:
>
> > DUCKERY SEASON!!!!
> > WABBIT SEASON!!!
> > DUCKERY SEASON!!
>
> You know, if you made the middle one "PETER WABBIT SEASON," and gave
> the two seasons more equal time, I'd enjoy reading more of your posts.> You nimrod.

There's the theory that Orson is the love child of PJR & Barbie Cat.

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Oct 17, 2009, 3:45:39 PM10/17/09

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On Oct 17, 3:01 pm, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 17, 2:51 pm, "G&tSP" <gand...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 17, 2:39 pm, "Orson Wells as CitizenCain" wrote:
>
> > > DUCKERY SEASON!!!!
> > > WABBIT SEASON!!!
> > > DUCKERY SEASON!!
>
> > You know, if you made the middle one "PETER WABBIT SEASON," and gave
> > the two seasons more equal time, I'd enjoy reading more of your posts.> You nimrod.
>
> There's the theory that Orson is the love child of PJR & Barbie Cat.
>

Heh ... but "love" looks so odd in used in the same sentence as those
two. "Bastard" would be the more appropriate word, wouldn't you
think?

Will Dockery

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Oct 17, 2009, 3:53:35 PM10/17/09

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On Oct 17, 3:45 pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> On Oct 17, 3:01 pm, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Oct 17, 2:51 pm, "G&tSP" <gand...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > > On Oct 17, 2:39 pm, "Orson Wells as CitizenCain" wrote:
>
> > > > DUCKERY SEASON!!!!
> > > > WABBIT SEASON!!!
> > > > DUCKERY SEASON!!
>
> > > You know, if you made the middle one "PETER WABBIT SEASON," and gave
> > > the two seasons more equal time, I'd enjoy reading more of your posts.> You nimrod.
>
> > There's the theory that Orson is the love child of PJR & Barbie Cat.
>
> Heh ... but "love" looks so odd in used in the same sentence as those
> two. "Bastard" would be the more appropriate word, wouldn't you think?

Heh... sorry I slighted ggamble in that, though... gg must be very
jealous.

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> --

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Oct 17, 2009, 4:25:49 PM10/17/09

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= snip =

Quack all you want, you'll still be killed by a hawk.

Will Dockery

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Oct 18, 2009, 11:33:17 AM10/18/09

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"Orson Wells as CitizenCain" <noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:
>

> you'll still be killed by a hawk.

*yawn*

Okay, thanks for the comment, and if anyone wants to check out,
comment or critique the poem-song "Red Lipped Stranger", I appreciate
it, and it can be found by clicking the link below.

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Oct 19, 2009, 5:07:37 PM10/19/09

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"Will Dockery" <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> "Orson Wells as CitizenCain" <noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:
>>
>> you'll still be killed by a hawk.
>
> *yawn*
>

To a simple-minded duck such as yourself, I'm sure that such a thought
doesn't bother you.

Will Dockery

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Oct 19, 2009, 6:09:30 PM10/19/09

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"Orson Wells as CitizenCain" <noe...@here.invalidd> wrote in message
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>
> "Will Dockery" <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:d86beeed-2a91-42d3...@m11g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
>> "Orson Wells as CitizenCain" <noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:
>>>
>>> you'll still be killed by a hawk.
>>
>> *yawn*
>>
>
> To a simple-minded

You? Yes...

"We know." -Dennis M. Hammes, Litt. D.

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Oct 21, 2009, 9:06:33 AM10/21/09

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"Will Dockery" <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Orson Wells as CitizenCain" <noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:
>>
>> you'll still be killed by a hawk.
>
> *yawn*
>

To a simple-minded duck such as yourself, I'm sure that such a thought
doesn't bother you.

Will Dockery

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Oct 21, 2009, 12:48:45 PM10/21/09

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"Orson Wells as CitizenCain" <noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:

> "Will Dockery" wrote:
> > "Orson Wells as CitizenCain" <noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:
>
> >> you'll still be killed by a hawk.
>
> > *yawn*
>
> To a simple-minded

Since it is only your simple-minded fantasy, no.

Orson Wells as CitizenCain

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Oct 22, 2009, 1:30:36 AM10/22/09

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"Will Dockery" <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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>>
>> simple-minded

Will Dockery

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Oct 22, 2009, 6:23:48 AM10/22/09

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"Orson Wells as CitizenCain" <noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:
> "Will Dockery" wrote:
>

> >> simple-minded

Thanks for reading and commenting, Orson.

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Oct 26, 2009, 7:17:25 PM10/26/09

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"Will Dockery" <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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Q
U
A
C
K
!

Will Dockery

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Nov 6, 2009, 8:41:34 AM11/6/09

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"Orson Wells as CitizenCain" wrote:

> "Will Dockery" wrote:
>
>> I've been getting a good response to this one, so far... one of my
>> personal favorites, as well, really.
>
> So it cost you more than a couple of stiff whiskeys then.

I can spare them, I usually say "Drink one for me!"

Eva

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Nov 6, 2009, 12:11:43 PM11/6/09

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will when you come online email me please eva

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Nov 6, 2009, 1:20:58 PM11/6/09

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"Eva" <purpl...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Eva,
for god's sake just e-mail him yourself. Your postings in this newsgroup are
both horrific and abominable.

Will Dockery

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Sep 23, 2011, 10:04:46 PM9/23/11

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Here's an unsent post that's sat in my Drafts section for a couple of
years... making me wonder:

Whatever happened to ggary ggamble's little brother "Orson Welles"?

"Orson Wells as CitizenCain" wrote:
> "Will Dockery" wrote:
>
>> I've been getting a good response to this one, so far... one of my
>> personal favorites, as well, really.
>
> So it cost you more than a couple of stiff whiskeys then.

I can spare them, I usually say "Drink one for me!"

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Sep 23, 2011, 9:56:11 PM9/23/11

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Will Dockery

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Sep 24, 2011, 1:40:37 PM9/24/11

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"Orson Wells as CitizenCain" wrote:
>

> Your lies are as transparent as the saran wrap you use for car windows

I swear, Orson could easily be ggamble's little brother... and they're both
from Georgia.

Hmmm...

Will Dockery

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Sep 23, 2011, 9:56:11 PM9/23/11

to

Here's an unsent post that's sat in my Drafts section for a couple of
years... making me wonder:

Whatever happened to ggary ggamble's little brother "Orson Welles"?

"Orson Wells as CitizenCain" wrote:

Will Dockery

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Oct 31, 2011, 5:55:35 PM10/31/11

to

Interesting phenomenon on MyYearbook, "Video Battles". I submitted "Red
Lipped Stranger" by our Shadowville All-Stars, featuring Brian Mallard &
Gini Woolfolk Davidson with me... if this link works for you:

http://www.myyearbook.com/?utm_source=&utm_medium=&utm_campaign=&mysession=YmF0dGxlc192b3RlX2JhdHRsZSZiYXR0bGVpZD0zNTE2NDAyNQ==

Come vote for it. As the jargon goes there... well, I haven't learned all
that yet.

Heh...

Fred Hall

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Oct 31, 2011, 6:26:31 PM10/31/11

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"Will Dockery" <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in

news:j8n5gu$7hq$1...@dont-email.me:

> Interesting phenomenon on MyYearbook, "Video Battles". I submitted
> "Red Lipped Stranger" by our Shadowville All-Stars, featuring Brian
> Mallard & Gini Woolfolk Davidson with me... if this link works for
> you:
>
> http://www.myyearbook.com/?
utm_source=&utm_medium=&utm_campaign=&mysess
> ion=YmF0dGxlc192b3RlX2JhdHRsZSZiYXR0bGVpZD0zNTE2NDAyNQ==
>
> Come vote for it. As the jargon goes there... well, I haven't learned
> all that yet.
>
> Heh...
>

I can't vote as I refuse to sign up for any social media site, but I
will offer a critical response:

Little Big Town, " Boondocks" -- Good production, CSNY harmonies, banal
lyrics better done by Tony Joe White (even BJ Royal), great sounding
female singer

"Red Lipped Stranger" -- Lou Reed does Dylan vocals (No surprise there),
irritating female singer distracting from the lyrics, unprofessional
production. Despite all of that, I would vote for your effort over
theirs. I generally prefer raw to slick

hth

--

"These clowns are all Jokers!" - Rasta Khan

Cujo DeSockpuppet

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Oct 31, 2011, 7:20:45 PM10/31/11

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Fred Hall <fkh...@gmail.com> wrote in
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I don't quite agree.

Gotta go with LBT.

1. Tighter musicianship, love that slide gee-tar.

2. Much better vocals. Gini(?) needs to put some of that skill into the
forefront rather than just background harmonizing. Will's "Baby
Gramps/Tom Waits/Fred Eaglesmith" concoction just wears. Henry Rollins
got away with a lack of singing talent and range because he's intense,
clear and had a killer bands and lyrics. What Will brings to this
primarily is lyrics and with his singing style they're often incoherent
to the point where you cannot suss out the meaning.

3. Will's lyrics might be better but I can't understand them and there's
a point where you have to let the audience have time to savor complex
imagery when (and if) it exists. Some of this video comes across as
slurred and by the time you realize what might have been in the lyrics
the audience is trying to chase the next sequence.

4. LBT is country pop music but it makes no representation that it's
anything else. Not my kind of music but you can see and feel the talent.

5. Without seeing them perform live, I'm still betting that LBT has
oodles of stage presence.

After I typed this I found out why they're so polished. They've
apparently sold 1.5 million records.

I didn't vote, they're not getting my email address.

--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in dfw.*,
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme Holy
Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 & 4/2007 HL&S
award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse
Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895.
"I have never been incorrect. Nothing will be retracted." - Ed
in Fantasyland sans diplomas.

Peter J Ross

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Oct 31, 2011, 7:35:32 PM10/31/11

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In rec.arts.poems on Mon, 31 Oct 2011 23:20:45 +0000 (UTC), Cujo
DeSockpuppet <cu...@petitmorte.net> wrote:

<...>

> After I typed this I found out why they're so polished. They've
> apparently sold 1.5 million records.

For purposes of comparison, how many records has Will Dockery sold?

Just curious.

--
PJR :-)

Will Dockery

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Oct 31, 2011, 7:38:41 PM10/31/11

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On Oct 31, 6:26 pm, Fred Hall <fkh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Will Dockery" wrote innews:j8n5gu$7hq$1...@dont-email.me:

>
> > Interesting phenomenon on MyYearbook, "Video Battles". I submitted
> > "Red Lipped Stranger" by our Shadowville All-Stars, featuring Brian
> > Mallard & Gini Woolfolk Davidson with me... if this link works for
> > you:
>
> >http://www.myyearbook.com

> > Come vote for it. As the jargon goes there... well, I haven't learned
> > all that yet.
>
> > Heh...
>
> I can't vote as I refuse to sign up for any social media site, but I
> will offer a critical response:
>
> Little Big Town, " Boondocks" -- Good production, CSNY harmonies, banal
> lyrics better done by Tony Joe White (even BJ Royal), great sounding
> female singer
>
> "Red Lipped Stranger" -- Lou Reed does Dylan vocals (No surprise there),
> irritating female singer distracting from the lyrics, unprofessional
> production. Despite all of that, I would vote for your effort over
> theirs. I generally prefer raw to slick
>
> hth
>
> --
>
> "These clowns are all Jokers!" - Rasta Khan

Well, thanks for listening and commenting, Fred!

Will Dockery

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Oct 31, 2011, 7:40:37 PM10/31/11

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On Oct 31, 7:35 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:

> In rec.arts.poems on Mon, 31 Oct 2011 23:20:45 +0000 (UTC), Cujo DeSockpuppet <c...@petitmorte.net> wrote:
>
> <...>
>
> > After I typed this I found out why they're so polished. They've
> > apparently sold 1.5 million records.
>
> For purposes of comparison, how many records has Will Dockery sold?
>
> Just curious.

Not as many as Allen Ginsberg...

Cujo DeSockpuppet

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Oct 31, 2011, 7:44:06 PM10/31/11

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Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote in
news:slrnjauc6...@peterjross.me.uk:

I'm predict that question will be evaded.

> Just curious.

I is teh most paranormalist ever!

--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in dfw.*,
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme Holy
Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 & 4/2007 HL&S
award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse
Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895.

"Its so comforting knowing you will never have a man." - Ed whispering
sweet nothings to his blowup doll.

Cujo DeSockpuppet

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Oct 31, 2011, 7:45:06 PM10/31/11

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Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in

news:ef882715-4325-4a1d...@f11g2000vbm.googlegroups.com:

> On Oct 31, 7:35 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>> In rec.arts.poems on Mon, 31 Oct 2011 23:20:45 +0000 (UTC), Cujo
>> DeSockpu
> ppet <c...@petitmorte.net> wrote:
>>
>> <...>
>>
>> > After I typed this I found out why they're so polished. They've
>> > apparently sold 1.5 million records.
>>
>> For purposes of comparison, how many records has Will Dockery sold?
>>
>> Just curious.
>
> Not as many as Allen Ginsberg...

I is teh predictedest!

--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in dfw.*,
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme Holy
Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 & 4/2007 HL&S
award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse
Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895.

"I was an astrologer 1000 times in Babylon." - Edmo the loon.

Peter J Ross

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Oct 31, 2011, 8:13:20 PM10/31/11

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In rec.arts.poems on Mon, 31 Oct 2011 23:45:06 +0000 (UTC), Cujo

DeSockpuppet <cu...@petitmorte.net> wrote:

> Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:ef882715-4325-4a1d...@f11g2000vbm.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Oct 31, 7:35 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>>> In rec.arts.poems on Mon, 31 Oct 2011 23:20:45 +0000 (UTC), Cujo
>>> DeSockpu
>> ppet <c...@petitmorte.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> <...>
>>>
>>> > After I typed this I found out why they're so polished. They've
>>> > apparently sold 1.5 million records.
>>>
>>> For purposes of comparison, how many records has Will Dockery sold?
>>>
>>> Just curious.
>>
>> Not as many as Allen Ginsberg...
>
> I is teh predictedest!

Yes, you're magnificent.

For your listening and viewing pleasure, here's what *real*
singer-songwriters do when they get old. If Dreckery weren't a moron,
he could learn something from Nick Lowe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSQ1z4x4GDU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7txCdLCP9U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNeg_pkmjRk

--
PJR :-)

the messenjah

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Oct 31, 2011, 8:28:53 PM10/31/11

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On Oct 31, 8:13 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
> In rec.arts.poems on Mon, 31 Oct 2011 23:45:06 +0000 (UTC), Cujo
>
>
>
>
>

> DeSockpuppet <c...@petitmorte.net> wrote:
> > Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote in

> >news:ef882715-4325-4a1d...@f11g2000vbm.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> On Oct 31, 7:35 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
> >>> In rec.arts.poems on Mon, 31 Oct 2011 23:20:45 +0000 (UTC), Cujo
> >>> DeSockpu
> >> ppet <c...@petitmorte.net> wrote:
>
> >>> <...>
>
> >>> > After I typed this I found out why they're so polished. They've
> >>> > apparently sold 1.5 million records.
>
> >>> For purposes of comparison, how many records has Will Dockery sold?
>
> >>> Just curious.
>
> >> Not as many as Allen Ginsberg...
>
> > I is teh predictedest!
>
> Yes, you're magnificent.
>
> For your listening and viewing pleasure, here's what *real*
> singer-songwriters do when they get old. If Dreckery weren't a moron,
> he could learn something from Nick Lowe.

Ross. You're a fuckhead.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSQ1z4x4GDUhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7txCdLCP9Uhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNeg_pkmjRk
>
> --
> PJR :-)

Fred Hall

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Oct 31, 2011, 8:28:31 PM10/31/11

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Cujo DeSockpuppet <cu...@petitmorte.net> wrote in news:j8nagc$rri$1
@blackhelicopter.databasix.com:

> 3. Will's lyrics might be better but I can't understand them and there's
> a point where you have to let the audience have time to savor complex
> imagery when (and if) it exists. Some of this video comes across as
> slurred and by the time you realize what might have been in the lyrics
> the audience is trying to chase the next sequence.
>
>

In my critique I did fail to point out that the lyrics were unintelligible.

Will Dockery

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Oct 31, 2011, 8:29:56 PM10/31/11

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On Oct 31, 7:45 pm, Cujo DeSockpuppet <c...@petitmorte.net> wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote innews:ef882715-4325-4a1d...@f11g2000vbm.googlegroups.com:
>
> > On Oct 31, 7:35 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
> >> In rec.arts.poems on Mon, 31 Oct 2011 23:20:45 +0000 (UTC), Cujo
> >> DeSockpu
> > ppet <c...@petitmorte.net> wrote:
>
> >> <...>
>
> >> > After I typed this I found out why they're so polished. They've
> >> > apparently sold 1.5 million records.
>
> >> For purposes of comparison, how many records has Will Dockery sold?
>
> >> Just curious.
>
> > Not as many as Allen Ginsberg...
>
> I is teh predictedest!

Say what?

--
Red Lipped Stranger by Will Dockery & The Shadowville All-Stars:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBhcN1WK144

Fred Hall

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Oct 31, 2011, 8:32:49 PM10/31/11

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the messenjah <theguyo...@veryfast.biz> wrote in news:1f0b16b2-
dd47-4f3a-882...@v5g2000vbh.googlegroups.com:

> On Oct 31, 8:13 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>> In rec.arts.poems on Mon, 31 Oct 2011 23:45:06 +0000 (UTC), Cujo
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> DeSockpuppet <c...@petitmorte.net> wrote:
>> > Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote in

>> >news:ef882715-4325-4a1d-bbcb-ef93ff5b00c3

@f11g2000vbm.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> >> On Oct 31, 7:35 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>> >>> In rec.arts.poems on Mon, 31 Oct 2011 23:20:45 +0000 (UTC), Cujo
>> >>> DeSockpu
>> >> ppet <c...@petitmorte.net> wrote:
>>
>> >>> <...>
>>
>> >>> > After I typed this I found out why they're so polished. They've
>> >>> > apparently sold 1.5 million records.
>>
>> >>> For purposes of comparison, how many records has Will Dockery
sold?
>>
>> >>> Just curious.
>>
>> >> Not as many as Allen Ginsberg...
>>
>> > I is teh predictedest!
>>
>> Yes, you're magnificent.
>>
>> For your listening and viewing pleasure, here's what *real*
>> singer-songwriters do when they get old. If Dreckery weren't a moron,
>> he could learn something from Nick Lowe.
>
> Ross. You're a fuckhead.

Really? What's your analysis of Dockery's effort?

Will Dockery

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Oct 31, 2011, 8:36:28 PM10/31/11

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On Oct 31, 7:44 pm, Cujo DeSockpuppet <c...@petitmorte.net> wrote:
> Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote innews:slrnjauc6...@peterjross.me.uk:

>> In rec.arts.poems on Mon, 31 Oct 2011 23:20:45 +0000 (UTC), Cujo

> > DeSockpuppet <c...@petitmorte.net> wrote:
>
> > <...>
>
> >> After I typed this I found out why they're so polished. They've
> >> apparently sold 1.5 million records.
>
> > For purposes of comparison, how many records has Will Dockery sold?
>
> I'm predict that question will be evaded.

Well of course I haven't sold anything like a million, but I do have
copies available for sale if you're interested:

http://www.artemisrecords.net/dockery

Will Dockery

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Oct 31, 2011, 8:44:34 PM10/31/11

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Fred Hall <fkh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Cujo DeSockpuppet <c...@petitmorte.net> wrote in news:j8nagc$rri$1

> @blackhelicopter.databasix.com:
>
> > 3. Will's lyrics might be better but I can't understand them and there's
> > a point where you have to let the audience have time to savor complex
> > imagery when (and if) it exists. Some of this video comes across as
> > slurred and by the time you realize what might have been in the lyrics
> > the audience is trying to chase the next sequence.
>
> In my critique I did fail to point out that the lyrics were unintelligible.

I should have included subtitles, I guess... here's the poem, though:

Cujo DeSockpuppet

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Oct 31, 2011, 8:56:16 PM10/31/11

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Fred Hall <fkh...@gmail.com> wrote in

news:Xns9F8FE491CA...@208.90.168.18:

Don't fucking let that happen again.

Here's Fred Eaglesmith for a comparison:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On33QhZZgLI

He's doing one of my favorites (the first time I heard it performed was
by the Cowboy Junkies) as part of a medley. Skip to about 3:40 for
"Carmelita", though the first song is quite good. He was at "Love and War
in Texas" (off 75 in Plano) a few years back. Great performance, rotten
voice but he's working to (and for) the audience.

In short, I know what the hell Fred is trying to convey. Will just isn't
getting across to the listener and it's not compelling enough to make
them care.

In a way, it's like a Wollmann essay, he might understand what he's
trying to say but can't communicate it to the audience because he chooses
to obscure it. I'm not saying that's the case but it sure comes across
that way to me.

"And take it from an old advertising cock that if no one knows what
you're saying, you couldn't sell welfare in Harlem." - "Burt Danby" from
the novel _Semi Tough_ by the great Dan Jenkins

--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in dfw.*,
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme Holy
Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 & 4/2007 HL&S
award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse
Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895.

"... George Clooney, Cher and Jimmy Stewart--Three well known
politicians who were assassinated." - Edmo really loses it.

Will Dockery

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Oct 31, 2011, 9:51:01 PM10/31/11

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Cujo DeSockpuppet <c...@petitmorte.net> wrote:
>
> Here's Fred Eaglesmith for a comparison:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On33QhZZgLI
>
> He's doing one of my favorites (the first time I heard it performed was
> by the Cowboy Junkies) as part of a medley. Skip to about 3:40 for
> "Carmelita", though the first song is quite good.

Thanks, this is some interesting material!

He was at "Love and War
> in Texas" (off 75 in Plano) a few years back. Great performance, rotten
> voice but he's working to (and for) the audience.
>
> In short, I know what the hell Fred is trying to convey. Will just isn't
> getting across to the listener and it's not compelling enough to make
> them care.

Again, thanks for listening and for the serious and constructive
critique, Cujo... I definitely need to work on these points...

> In a way, it's like a Wollmann essay, he might understand what he's
> trying to say but can't communicate it to the audience because he chooses
> to obscure it. I'm not saying that's the case but it sure comes across
> that way to me.
>
> "And take it from an old advertising cock that if no one knows what
> you're saying, you couldn't sell welfare in Harlem." - "Burt Danby" from
> the novel _Semi Tough_ by the great Dan Jenkins
>
> --
> Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in dfw.*,
> alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme Holy
> Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 & 4/2007 HL&S
> award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse
> Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895.
> "... George Clooney, Cher and Jimmy Stewart--Three well known
> politicians who were assassinated." - Edmo really loses it.

Will Dockery

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Oct 31, 2011, 9:54:10 PM10/31/11

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On Oct 31, 8:13 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> Yes, you're magnificent.
>
> For your listening and viewing pleasure

> what

> singer-songwriters do when they get old

> Nick Lowe.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSQ1z4x4GDUhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7txCdLCP9U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNeg_pkmjRk

Have you heard the new Nick Lowe record? Pretty good stuff.

Used to love his work back in the old days.

Looking forward to the Lou Reed-Metallica collaboration due to be
released tomorrow, as well.

Peter J Ross

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Oct 31, 2011, 10:11:17 PM10/31/11

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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon, 31 Oct 2011 18:54:10 -0700 (PDT),

Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Have you heard the new Nick Lowe record?

Yes.

I'm the one who told you about Nick Lowe a few minutes ago, remember?
Then you googled his name and regurgitated some other people's
opinions about him.

--
PJR :-)

Will Dockery

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Oct 31, 2011, 11:30:06 PM10/31/11

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Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>

> I'm the one who told you about Nick Lowe

No, I've known about Nick Lowe for about 30 years, PJR.

BTW, your Killfile is leaking again.

Heh.

Will Dockery

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Oct 31, 2011, 11:24:36 PM10/31/11

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Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> I'm the one who told you about Nick Lowe

No, I've known about Nick Lowe for about 30 years, PJR.

BTW, your Killfile is leaking again.

Will Dockery

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Oct 31, 2011, 11:27:34 PM10/31/11

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Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> I'm the one who told you about Nick Lowe

No, I've known about Nick Lowe for about 30 years, PJR.

BTW, your Killfile is leaking again.

Will Dockery

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Nov 5, 2012, 4:51:01 AM11/5/12

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"Orson Wells as CitizenCain" wrote:
>

> Your lies are as transparent as the saran wrap you use for car windows,
> Dockery.

Okay, I admit it, that was funny...

Will Dockery

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Nov 5, 2012, 4:53:41 AM11/5/12

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"Orson Wells as CitizenCain" wrote:

> "Will Dockery" wrote:
>
>> I've been getting a good response to this one, so far... one of my
>> personal favorites, as well, really.
>
> So it cost you more than a couple of stiff whiskeys then.

I can spare them, I usually say "Drink one for me!"

Will Dockery

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Feb 5, 2013, 1:48:18 PM2/5/13

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If and when someone comes along with some worthwhile critique, I'm all for
it, and do take note. A relative new regular, George Dance, offers some good
critique, and recently Karla Rogers wrote a thoughtful one on my "red Lipped
Stranger" poem. Here's that post, and a link to the song/poem:

http://youtu.be/qBhcN1WK144

Red Lipped Stranger

Her creep crawls
the narrow stairway

of the Candlelight Motel

From the "Drafts" archives, a rare critique of poetry by Karla Rogers:

"Karla" <kar...@NEVERcomcast.net> wrote in message
news:h6hus...@drn.newsguy.com...
> In article
> <c1661f16-3391-4780...@r34g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
> Will Dockery says...