Dirty Dishes
chuck_...@yahoo.com
purchased with 11 years
of hollow kisses and
jagged one liners
settles over the woman
before she can swallow
a handful of herbs for
the pain which returns
when her man force feeds
her testosterone and four
letter suitcases full of
his failures while the rain
on the rooftops echoes
the sound of tears
on a sink full of dirty dishes
http://www.1avenue.com/lysaghtc/DiaryofaMadman.html
Mikel Potts
http://poetrysuperhighway.com/ppa161.html
On Mon, 30 Jul 2001 12:21:04 -0700, chuck_...@yahoo.com wrote
(in message <Asi97.179$ja2.4695@amstwist00>):
Sonne
Chuck, what the heck does your link have to do with this poem?
SiXWiNGS
That is definitely an interesting link there.
Do you think that maybe Chuck is claiming this poem to be his own? I didn't
see any reference to Michel Cicero on his post. But according to the link
that you provided, Michel Cicero is the author.... hmmm, strange.
Thanks for pointing this out. I'm fairly new to the group, but I'm finding
out that there are many thieves among us.
"Mikel Potts" <pewt...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:01HW.B78B6E000...@news-central.giganews.com...
Mikel Potts
(in message <_QC97.8194$dz2.1...@nntp2.onemain.com>):
> Wow Mikel,
> That is definitely an interesting link there.
> Do you think that maybe Chuck is claiming this poem to be his own? I didn't
> see any reference to Michel Cicero on his post. But according to the link
> that you provided, Michel Cicero is the author.... hmmm, strange.
It is obvious that someone is lying, but without stronger evidence
I'm not going to say it is Chuck. Of course, if I had a higher
opinion of his character the differences in the poetry would
not have made me suspicious.
> Thanks for pointing this out. I'm fairly new to the group, but I'm finding
> out that there are many thieves among us.
No, only a very few. Without money as a motivation only a person
with a very peculiar twist of egotism would plagiarize.
Mikel
SiXWiNGS
And to think I was going to make some good comments about this poem... I
liked it.
"Mikel Potts" <pewt...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:01HW.B78CB8E20...@news-central.giganews.com...
Mikel Potts
confession, which I have not seen, was made under the yahoo
or hotmail address then I wouldn't give it much credence
either.
The headers of those posts show an origin outside the U.S.,
Denmark I would guess. I'm not familiar with all the standard
domain name suffixes. I looked at the header in
the gga...@excite.com post, and they are remarkably similar.
The two poems in question were also displayed on one of
Chuck's web pages, but are gone now. It is easy enough
to hack a web page, so I hear.
While a double fake like this is quite possible, Chuck's
past behavior suggests that he is unlikely to think of
anything that subtle, and what little else I know about
him, as little as I can manage, makes me think it unlikely
he has the skills and knowledge to pull it off.
I have no desire to defend Chuck, but I do withdraw the
implied accusation I made by my posting the link to the
real author's work. Other than that I couldn't care less.
I have seen Chuck earn over the course of two-some years
all the hostility he receives here.
As for his theoretical assailant, this person is obviously
willing to wallow at Chuck's level just to irritate him.
Hardly a decent justification for acts that are certainly
immoral, and probably illegal.
Mikel
On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 19:57:31 -0700, SiXWiNGS wrote
(in message <Q3K97.8298$dz2.1...@nntp2.onemain.com>):
Chuck Lysaght
bought a part of Chicago. Those poems? What poems? I'm confused.
Heh-heh. Gosh, I'm tired. I just got back from Europe.
Mikel Potts <pewt...@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<01HW.B78CC9970...@news-central.giganews.com>...
theci...@earthlink.net
> .
>
Martijn Benders
Mikel Potts wrote:
> The headers of those posts show an origin outside the U.S.,
Why?
> Denmark I would guess. I'm not familiar with all the standard
> domain name suffixes. I looked at the header in
> the gga...@excite.com post, and they are remarkably similar.
Just look at the 'NNTP posting host' part - there the ip adress of the
poster is usually displayed. In this case 64.31.135.186 - then go to
http://www.geektools.com/cgi-bin/proxy.cgi and copy the ip into the
whois box to found out where that ip range is registered, which in this
case is Florida. I'm not sure what parts of a header could be forged, so
it still doens't mean anything per se but usually trolls are too dumb or
lazy to figure out how to forge anything completely anyhow.
Martijn
Jim Sheard
>Look. Mr. Lysaght did not steal my poetry. None of my poems are on his website, and they never have been.
Really? Try
Jim
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JAS Carter
theci...@earthlink.net warbled oh so charmingly:
>Look. Mr. Lysaght did not steal my poetry. None of my poems are on his website, and they never have been.
Well, the real Michel Cicero seems to think otherwise.
No one is falling for it, okay?
I don't know why you are so stupid. Perhaps dropped on your noggin as
a child.
*sigh* We definitely need a better class of troll.
Julie Carter
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Martijn Benders
Mikel Potts wrote:
> The headers of those posts show an origin outside the U.S.,
> Denmark I would guess. I'm not familiar with all the standard
> domain name suffixes. I looked at the header in
> the gga...@excite.com post, and they are remarkably similar.
I'm inclined to believe the ip adress is forged now - it's chuck's ip
but the posting time suggests Middle European Time.
Martijn
Devon MCallister
> > Thanks for pointing this out. I'm fairly new to the group, but I'm
finding
> > out that there are many thieves among us.
>
> No, only a very few. Without money as a motivation only a person
> with a very peculiar twist of egotism would plagiarize.
Also an individual who lacks credibility might plagiarizes to raise others
opinions of themselves. Low self esteem and newsgroups go well together:
anonymity.
Devon
ben
> I'm disinclined to believe that Chuck made the posts. If the
> confession, which I have not seen, was made under the yahoo
> or hotmail address then I wouldn't give it much credence
> either.
>
> The headers of those posts show an origin outside the U.S.,
> Denmark I would guess. I'm not familiar with all the standard
> domain name suffixes. I looked at the header in
> the gga...@excite.com post, and they are remarkably similar.
Norwegian, but I'm not sure how they've managed to hack gary's e-mail
address. I don't think it's Chuck either, which means that someone not only
plagiarised but also tried to frame him. What goes around, comes around. :)
b.
JAS Carter
<be...@homechoice.co.uk> warbled oh so charmingly:
>Norwegian, but I'm not sure how they've managed to hack gary's e-mail
>address.
You can set your email address to be anything. You won't get any
emails, but you won't get spammed, either.
ben
"Chuck Lysaght" <skyw...@iopener.net> wrote in message
news:baeb9763.01080...@posting.google.com...
> Huh? I don't get it? What poems? Who are the Ciceros? I heard they
> bought a part of Chicago. Those poems? What poems? I'm confused.
> Heh-heh. Gosh, I'm tired. I just got back from Europe.
Look down, you posted "Dirty Dishes" which was written and copyrighted last
year by Michael Cicero.
b.
ben
"Martijn Benders" <maan...@chello.nl> wrote in message
news:3B683177...@chello.nl...
That was a handy little website, but not very effective. According to the
search engine, I'm in America.
I think the poster's from Norway, since my search turned up a load of stuff
in Norwegian.
b.
ben
"JAS Carter" <jsgo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3b6a2fbd...@news.supernews.com...
> On Wed, 01 Aug 2001 16:25:14 GMT, in alt.arts.poetry.comments
> theci...@earthlink.net warbled oh so charmingly:
>
> >Look. Mr. Lysaght did not steal my poetry. None of my poems are on his
website, and they never have been.
>
> Well, the real Michel Cicero seems to think otherwise.
>
> No one is falling for it, okay?
>
> I don't know why you are so stupid. Perhaps dropped on your noggin as
> a child.
>
> *sigh* We definitely need a better class of troll.
I'll do it! The power of the dark side has always been a little tempting
anyway...
b.
ben
> Hey, that's my line. I'm in St.Lo, France. Where are you? I heard you
left. Why did these Ciceros steal Chuck's poems? Are there legal, (for lack
of a better word) ramifications? And who's that geek Pewter Pot? Why is he
bothering out family? Chuck are you there? How is the firewall working?
Your IP and message ID tell me that you're the same person that posted
"Dirty Dishes", pretended to be Michael Cicero, PJR and Gary Gamble. I think
you're just trying to cause general havoc, around the vicinity of Chuck
Lysaght. It's not working, by the way.
b.
ben
> On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 17:14:11 +0100, in alt.arts.poetry.comments "ben"
> <be...@homechoice.co.uk> warbled oh so charmingly:
>
> >Norwegian, but I'm not sure how they've managed to hack gary's e-mail
> >address.
>
> You can set your email address to be anything. You won't get any
> emails, but you won't get spammed, either.
It all seems too much bother and slightly too dishonest for me. That's
probably why I average two hundred spam mails per day. Hmm...
b.
Mikel Potts
(in message <3B683039...@chello.nl>):
That's a nice tool, I'll bookmark it. The top part of the
header shows the servers that the message passed through. I was
looking at the suffix, which appears indicate the first few servers
were located in Denmark, at least that's what I think the .de suffix
means. I could be wrong.
Does that mean it is you? No, though your angry asshole persona
might encourage some people to lean in that direction, it isn't
justified by the evidence.
Mikel
ben
> Does that mean it is you? No, though your angry asshole persona
> might encourage some people to lean in that direction, it isn't
> justified by the evidence.
>
> Mikel
Just as a side point, the word "chello" appears in both the ghostly poster's
message source and Martijn's, though in a different account-class. Martijn
is at chello.nl while our ellusive friend is at chello.com. It's probably
just a coincidence though, because Martijn's grasp of the language is a lot
better than that demonstrated by Mr Impersonator.
b.
Peter J Ross
> On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 9:37:13 -0700, Martijn Benders wrote
> (in message <3B683039...@chello.nl>):
> > Just look at the 'NNTP posting host' part - there the ip adress of the
> > poster is usually displayed. In this case 64.31.135.186 - then go to
> > http://www.geektools.com/cgi-bin/proxy.cgi and copy the ip into the
> > whois box to found out where that ip range is registered, which in this
> > case is Florida. I'm not sure what parts of a header could be forged, so
> > it still doens't mean anything per se but usually trolls are too dumb or
> > lazy to figure out how to forge anything completely anyhow.
> >
> > Martijn
>
> That's a nice tool, I'll bookmark it. The top part of the
> header shows the servers that the message passed through. I was
> looking at the suffix, which appears indicate the first few servers
> were located in Denmark, at least that's what I think the .de suffix
> means. I could be wrong.
".de" is the suffix for Germany. But the post in question, like all of
Chuck's and all of the recent sock-puppets', appears to originate from a
server in Jacksonville, Fla. (Chuck's home town) belonging to
http://www.adelphia.net - which appears to be Chuck's ISP.
Given other supporting evidence, such as a further instance of a poem on his
site duplicated elsewhere with earlier attribution to another author, I have
no doubt at all of the identity of the plagiarist.
No poetry post by Chuck should be assumed to be his own work, even if it
can't be found with a search engine. He may have stolen it from an offline
source.
PJR
gga...@excite.com
It was the combination of the *chello* and the Middle European Time
that made me suspect Martijn as being the impersonator. If I was in
error, (and I believe I was) I sincerely apologize to you for the
false accusation I made, Martijn.
gg
SiXWiNGS
It was Chuck.
> Given other supporting evidence, such as a further instance of a poem on
his
> site duplicated elsewhere with earlier attribution to another author, I
have
> no doubt at all of the identity of the plagiarist.
>
> No poetry post by Chuck should be assumed to be his own work, even if it
> can't be found with a search engine. He may have stolen it from an offline
> source.
>
> PJR
"Peter J Ross" <p...@britishlibrary.net> wrote in message
news:9kadqk$3geeu$1...@ID-76477.news.dfncis.de...
Martijn Benders
"gga...@excite.com" wrote:
> It was the combination of the *chello* and the Middle European Time
> that made me suspect Martijn as being the impersonator. If I was in
> error, (and I believe I was) I sincerely apologize to you for the
> false accusation I made, Martijn.
Chello is one of the biggest broadband providers in europe that operates
all over europe. If you check the headers carefully you can see that my
posts go through a different chello server than those of the abuser.
It's hard to determine who this person is since it's hard to say what
part of the headers are faked.
Martijn