eyeing mother //rjt
r j thurman
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the shower spoke
steamy suggestions
not to me
i told myself
all the times the door
was left ajar
would mark
another opportunity
until both
you and i
had succumbed.
and i threw away
such promises
once made
about bathroom privacy
and looked through the doorcrack
and eyeing mother
saw areolas
glistening wet
like two big eyes
shedding soapy tears
looking back
at me saying
not again
you little perv.
another memory.
r j thurman
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Tom Bishop
No meter, no clever, little but juvenile point and no
metameric images.
Lame prose joke hacked into lines,
you little perv.
Areolas as "eyes"... Cliche as poetry?
It's spring!!!!!
Feel the phloem! Get vascular!
Fuck yourself with your pencil eraser!
(Pssst... wanna buy some poetry by jr sherman?)
Tom Bishop
"r j thurman" <rj...@birthlink.net> wrote in message
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Will Dockery
Good lampoon, but the original's funnier:
----
From: j r sherman (jr...@wenet.net)
Subject: promising mother / j r sherman
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Date: 1998/02/03
promising mother
the pictures spoke
a thousand words
no more to you
i told myself
all the times i ran
away each time
would mark
another year
until both
you and i
had gone.
and to come again
such promises
once made
about getting old
and to look both ways now,
and promising mother
that not again
would say that to you
a tragedy
not again
to ever stray
not
again
thank you,
your memory.
j r sherman
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r j thurman
"Barbara Scat" <c...@kookbusters.org> wrote:
>Will Dockery <will_d...@knology.net> said:
>
>> Here's the post:
>>
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>> Obviously you're the author using one of your many aliases.
>
> Bullshit. It's obvious you're clueless about headers.
Really, Scat? Well, then, perhaps YOU'LL be kind enough to
explain it to us.
C'mon, son, analyse the header on the message containing the
'Eyeing Mother' poem. Tell us all about it.
Show us how it proves that 'jr sherman' didn't write and post
the poem.
Of course, if you CAN'T, or WON'T, offer such an explanation,
then that will be positive proof that you're just another stupid
southern redneck cracker who's talkin' out of his arse.
Well...? We're waiting, Scat. Yee-haw!
Stuart Leichter
rj...@birthlink.net wrote on 8/12/05 11:10 PM:
You're a simpering fool, requiring that a negative be proven.
Prove that you're not a fool.
Better yet, explain how you went from your first 2 points above to your 3rd
point when you added "proves" as a conclusive result from your 1st 2 points.
In logic and in argument, that's not a fallacy -- it's simply not done. It's
no different than lying or plagiarizing in analogous contexts. It's
misrepresentation. You're a fool for doing something like that, a stupid
fool for thinking you could construct your own argument by misrepresenting
the facts.
Now you know how little you know about anything. Everyone can see how
uneducated you are.
Renay
> > Well...? We're waiting, Scat. Yee-haw!
>
> You're a simpering fool, requiring that a negative be proven.
But rj is /requiring/ it of a simpering fool.
2 wrongs make a write.
>
> Prove that you're not a fool.
Prove that you're not a fool.
>
> Better yet, explain how you went from your first 2 points above to your 3rd
> point when you added "proves" as a conclusive result from your 1st 2 points.
> In logic and in argument, that's not a fallacy -- it's simply not done. It's
> no different than lying or plagiarizing in analogous contexts. It's
> misrepresentation. You're a fool for doing something like that, a stupid
> fool for thinking you could construct your own argument by misrepresenting
> the facts.
>
> Now you know how little you know about anything. Everyone can see how
> uneducated you are.
Why, because rj smacked the baba moron?
Right, chief.
Stuart Leichter
delt...@sbcglobal.net wrote on 8/13/05 12:15 AM:
>
>>> Well...? We're waiting, Scat. Yee-haw!
>>
>> You're a simpering fool, requiring that a negative be proven.
>
> But rj is /requiring/ it of a simpering fool.
>
> 2 wrongs make a write.
Anonymous cowards are beneath contempt I try to tell myself.
>
>>
>> Prove that you're not a fool.
>
> Prove that you're not a fool.
1600s on the SATs (scanned bona fides available for a fee via PayPal).
(Notice I didn't use foolish apostrophes. And I love apostrophe's.)
>
>>
>> Better yet, explain how you went from your first 2 points above to your 3rd
>> point when you added "proves" as a conclusive result from your 1st 2 points.
>> In logic and in argument, that's not a fallacy -- it's simply not done. It's
>> no different than lying or plagiarizing in analogous contexts. It's
>> misrepresentation. You're a fool for doing something like that, a stupid
>> fool for thinking you could construct your own argument by misrepresenting
>> the facts.
>>
>> Now you know how little you know about anything. Everyone can see how
>> uneducated you are.
>
> Why, because rj smacked the baba moron?
No, they're beneath contempt.
Renay
Stuart Leichter wrote:
> in article 1123906541....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com, Renay at
> delt...@sbcglobal.net wrote on 8/13/05 12:15 AM:
>
> >
> >>> Well...? We're waiting, Scat. Yee-haw!
> >>
> >> You're a simpering fool, requiring that a negative be proven.
> >
> > But rj is /requiring/ it of a simpering fool.
> >
> > 2 wrongs make a write.
>
> Anonymous cowards are beneath contempt I try to tell myself.
I try to tell myself that mice doesn't count.
>
> >
> >>
> >> Prove that you're not a fool.
> >
> > Prove that you're not a fool.
>
> 1600s on the SATs (scanned bona fides available for a fee via PayPal).
Heh... exactly how does that exempt you?
That only fazilitates zit.
>
> (Notice I didn't use foolish apostrophes. And I love apostrophe's.)
>
> >
<>
> >
> > Why, because rj smacked the baba moron?
>
> No, they're beneath contempt.
But what do you think of the Canon PS2.
The EOS Digital Rebel looks cool, but by the time I get
the penis-lens extensions and /all that shit/
I've spent more than a grand.
Maybe.
I have a film Rebel EOS that I hardly shot 2 rolls with.
I'll be hapy with the PS2, I think.
Features look cool.
r j thurman
Stuart Leichter <leic...@bellsouth.net> wrote
in article <BF22EA70.37C5B%leic...@bellsouth.net>:
> r j thurman wrote:
>
>> "Barbara Scat" <c...@kookbusters.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Bullshit. It's obvious you're clueless about headers.
>>
>> Really, Scat? Well, then, perhaps YOU'LL be kind enough to
>> explain it to us.
>>
>> C'mon, son, analyse the header on the message containing the
>> 'Eyeing Mother' poem. Tell us all about it.
>>
>> Show us how it proves that 'jr sherman' didn't write and post
>> the poem.
>>
>> Of course, if you CAN'T, or WON'T, offer such an explanation,
>> then that will be positive proof that you're just another stupid
>> southern redneck cracker who's talkin' out of his arse.
>>
>> Well...? We're waiting, Scat. Yee-haw!
>
> You're a simpering fool, requiring that a negative be proven.
>
> Prove that you're not a fool.
>
> Better yet, explain how you went from your first 2 points above to
> your 3rd point when you added "proves" as a conclusive result from
> your 1st 2 points. In logic and in argument, that's not a fallacy
> -- it's simply not done. It's no different than lying or
> plagiarizing in analogous contexts. It's misrepresentation. You're
> a fool for doing something like that, a stupid fool for thinking
> you could construct your own argument by misrepresenting the facts.
>
> Now you know how little you know about anything. Everyone can see
> how uneducated you are.
So, in other words, /YOU/ don't know much about message
headers, either...do you, St00.
That's okay -- but in the future, you'd better avoid the
technical discussions, and just stick to commiserating with
Jeannie over the failed 'revolution.' Heh.
Clearly, much of what goes on in these newsgroups is over
your head.
If you'd been paying attention, you'd know that Barbara Scat
(who is MALE, by the way, so you needn't waste any of your
faux 'gallantry' coming to his defense) is attempting to
become a poor man's 'jr sherman'-style troll.
Naturally (as we'd expect from a silly southern redneck
cracker), he's making a botch of it.
Hope this helps.
Barbara's Cat
posted Fri, 12 Aug 2005 22:10:42 -0500,
What's that, moron? It's Dockery's day off
and you're filling in as village idiot?
--
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Berryman's Legacy
Heh. Dodge-Weave Scat ducks the question, and goes for
the ad hominem.
Yep, very predictable.
Stupid southern redneck cracker talkin' out of his arse
confirmed.
Will Dockery
> Lines: 86
After Cat's finished with that, perhaps he can produce a post where I
actually claimed to have written J.R. Sherman's excellent "Eyeing
Mother" poem.
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j r sherman
says...
well, when i informed you that you'd written the poem in question, you insisted
that it was a better poem than anything I'd written. if that's not a confession
on your part that the poem is yours, what is?
if you would make learning of language your friend, you would realize this.
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Will Dockery
That simply meant that obviously /someone/ else wrote it, since it
seems too good to be by "J.R. Sherman"... but apparently your memories
inspired you to write a loving tribute to your loved one.
j r sherman
says...
and when i informed you that i thought you were the one who wrote it, you said
that's why it's better than anything i'd produce. that's a confession, dockery,
pure and simple.
if you wouldn't make language and learning your enemy, you wouldn't be having
this problem.
Will Dockery
You're insane if you truly believe that, JRS. I clearly /never/ took
credit for writing your poem.
If you could have posted proof of your mistaken reading, then you would
have by now.
j r sherman
says...
when i informed you that you'd wrote the poem, your response was that's why it
was better than anything i'd written. that's a confession to having written the
poem, dockery. i can only go by what you post.
>If you could have posted proof of your mistaken reading, then you would
>have by now.
just in this thread a few posts back you pretty much admitted that you did say
it was better than anything i've written, and when you couple that with me
informing you that you'd written the poem, that's pretty much a confession on
your part. it's just that simple, dockery.
if you'd make language your friend, dockery, you wouldn't be having this
j r sherman
>
>
>"j r sherman" <jr...@earthlink.net> wrote
>> >Will Dockery wrote:
>> >
>> >Yeah, this was transcribed directly from the tape where it was done
>> >completely "freestyle".
>> >
>> >The creation of this poem was different from most, or at least most
>> >seen hereabouts: it was created completely on-the-spot cold-call in the
>studio shed. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Dockery_shed.jpg > >
>> >The musicians all gathered at the shed one night after playing for a
>while at the club, and a riff had been concocted during the onstage jam
>> >where I rattled off a semi-freestyle poem along with a sheet of words I'd
>> >glued down in the William Burroughs manner, almost... just some key words
>> >chopped out individually at random because they looked good and since
>they keyed
>> >off references to my life and key characters in the life, I had planned
>> >to sit at the bar and work with it by pen.
>> >
>> >The musicians were playing what eventually became known as the melody for
>"Mirror Twins" and I was called up to do vocals, so I took the stage
>> >and began telling the story of the last few days glancing at the crib
>> >sheet of random words.
>> >
>> >After that, we met at the shed, turned on the tape recorder, and began
>again... the result being "Mirror Twins".
>> >> >
>> >> >Without crafting on the recording or on the transcription posted here?
>> >
>> >The recording is a spontaeneous first take, no overdubs, so while it
>> >changes in new performance, with different musicians the structure of the
>words
>> >and music remain similar, the key words also stay in the original
>structure.
>> >> >
>> >> >The words were transcribed directly from the recording, with no
>changes.
>> >>
>> >> well, at least your admitting WHY it's such shit.
>> >>
>> >> it's a tiny baby step in the right direction. now we just have to see
>if
>> >we can
>> >> get you to make the connection between the fact that it took you about
>5
>> >minutes
>> >> to put together and why it's shit, don't we?
>> >>
>> >> think about it for a second, dockery. you made it in minutes---> it's
>> >shit.
>> >>
>> >> do you see the connection at all?
>> >
>> >I said it was made fast without changes...
>>
>> no shit. that's why it's bad. that's why it sucks. that's why it's shit.
>>
>> >and I personally loved the results.
>>
>> you don't know any better. also, don't discount the denial factor of
>everything
>> you do.
>>
>> >Some things just come out /right/ the first time.
>>
>> i don't think you'd know one way or the other. you have so little skills
>at
>> music and writing (and almost everything else but drinking), and you
>refuse to
>> try and improve yourself in any way, so i don't think you'd know if it
>came out
>> "right" or not. simply said, you don't possess the skills to make that
>> determination.
>
>Okay, so you don't like it, and I said thanks for the comments.
not at all.
>Rather than continuing to whine over and over about how much you hate it,
>why not show me how it's done, show me something better... got an Mp3?
well, i don't profess to be a musician like you do. you claim you make music,
but all i've seen from you is a collection of unspeakable shit that you keep
attempting to pass off as actual music. as long as you keep falsely insisting
that you create music, when you don't, i will point out the fact that you don't.
that's how it works. too bad if you don't like it.
Will Dockery
I like it fine, for the simple reason that as long as this continues, anyone
interested will be able to hit the links below, and find out for themselves
the sort of work i produce.
Our relationship's working like a charm from this side of the fence.
Will Dockery
"j r sherman" <jr...@earthlink.net> wrote
The big flaw in your logic is that it's /your/ poem, not mine, JRS... you
signed it.
Will Dockery
> > Stuart Leichter wrote:
That would place him somewhere below Alex "Dink" Cain... yet another of
the South's finest, hailing from Milledgeville Georgia, which at one
point had the largest Madhouse in the world:
<http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ga/county/baldwin/csh.html>
> Naturally (as we'd expect from a silly southern redneck
> cracker), he's making a botch of it.
Makes Cat a bit of a masochist slurper as well, since JRS has often
gone on record with his hatred of the South.
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Barbara's Cat
posted Sat, 13 Aug 2005 20:30:47 +0000 (UTC),
Obviously, you're suffering metrophobia. You must;
little else would explain your defense of the lies
of Dockery, the only one here posing you no threat.
Face your fears, lonely Limpy: read lots of poetry
and with time and sessions of electroshock therapy,
you'll get over it. Well, maybe you will. ..l.,
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Barbara's Cat
posted 13 Aug 2005 15:18:21 -0700,
Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> said:
Why would I want to perpetrate a Dockery? I don't post lies.
I post the truth:
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| From: "Will Dockery" <will_dock...@knology.net> |
| Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems,alt.arts.poetry.comments, |
| alt.poetry,us.arts.poetry,alt.arts.poetry.urban |
| Subject: Re: "Mirror Twins" by Will Dockery |
| Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:46:24 -0400 |
| Message-ID: <abceb$42ee8b57$18d62363$17...@KNOLOGY.NET> |
| |
| "j r sherman" <j...@earthlink.net> wrote |
| |
| [ snipped for brevity ] |
| |
| > but you're the one who wrote it, dockery |
JRS implied you wrote it and you agreed saying:
| Perhaps that's why it's better than anything else |
| with the byline "J R Sherman". |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
You claimed you wrote it right there, Dockery. Of course,
you lied as you always do; i.e., you committed a Dockery.
--
Cm~
Will Dockery
"Barbara's Cat" wrote:
I simply wrote /perhaps that's why/... do you know the meaning of the word
/perhaps/?
In no place have I claimed to have written JRS' poem.
Barbara's Cat
posted Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:12:57 -0400,
Will Dockery <will_d...@knology.net> said:
> > | Perhaps that's why it's better than anything else |<--+
> > | with the byline "J R Sherman". | |
> > +---------------------------------------------------------+ |
> > |
> > You claimed you wrote it right there, Dockery. Of course, |
> > you lied as you always do; i.e., you committed a Dockery. |
> |
> I simply wrote /perhaps that's why/... do you know the meaning |
> of the word /perhaps/? |
|
Yes. It's a shame you don't. |
|
> In no place have I claimed to have written JRS' poem. |
|
It's not JRS's poem; however, you claimed you wrote it right here -+
Your lying about it is expected -- it's what you do.
--
Cm~
Will Dockery
I'd be lying if I'd claimed I wrote JRS' poem, which I didn't and am
not.
Barbara's Cat
posted 14 Aug 2005 08:02:17 -0700,
Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> said:
It's not JRS's poem; however, you did claim you wrote it.
> which I didn't and am not.
Save your stupid lies for lonely Limpy and psycho Tommy --
I'm not buying them, Dockery. Never have, never will.
--
Cm~
Will Dockery
r j thurman wrote:
> > "Barbara Scat" wrote:
> >>
> >> ----
> >> Obviously you're the author using one of your many aliases.
> >
> > Bullshit. It's obvious you're clueless about headers.
>
> Really, Scat? Well, then, perhaps YOU'LL be kind enough to
> explain it to us.
>
> C'mon, son, analyse the header on the message containing the
> 'Eyeing Mother' poem. Tell us all about it.
>
> Show us how it proves that 'jr sherman' didn't write and post
> the poem.
>
> Of course, if you CAN'T, or WON'T, offer such an explanation,
> then that will be positive proof that you're just another stupid
> southern redneck cracker who's talkin' out of his arse.
>
> Well...? We're waiting, Scat. Yee-haw!
Heh... looks like you'll be waiting for a very long time...
Barbara's Cat
posted 14 Aug 2005 08:20:50 -0700,
Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> said:
Correction: Lonely Limpy will be waiting forever.
I ignore the demands of morons.
--
Cm~
Will Dockery
> Renay wrote:
>
> >>> Well...? We're waiting, Scat. Yee-haw!
> >>
> >> You're a simpering fool, requiring that a negative be proven.
> >
> > But rj is /requiring/ it of a simpering fool.
> >
> > 2 wrongs make a write.
>
> Anonymous cowards are beneath contempt I try to tell myself.
Hard to argue with that.
> >> Prove that you're not a fool.
> >
> > Prove that you're not a fool.
>
> 1600s on the SATs (scanned bona fides available for a fee via PayPal).
>
> (Notice I didn't use foolish apostrophes. And I love apostrophe's.)
>
> >> Better yet, explain how you went from your first 2 points above to your 3rd
> >> point when you added "proves" as a conclusive result from your 1st 2 points.
> >> In logic and in argument, that's not a fallacy -- it's simply not done. It's
> >> no different than lying or plagiarizing in analogous contexts. It's
> >> misrepresentation. You're a fool for doing something like that, a stupid
> >> fool for thinking you could construct your own argument by misrepresenting
> >> the facts.
> >>
> >> Now you know how little you know about anything. Everyone can see how
> >> uneducated you are.
> >
> > Why, because rj smacked the baba moron?
>
> No, they're beneath contempt.
Again, hard to argue with.
j r sherman
and after they get done laughing they'll realize what a delusional moron you
really are, and even more people will be alerted to the fact that everything you
produce is shit, literally everything. and isn't that what i want? yes, in case
you weren't following me.
j r sherman
actually, it wasn't signed by me, as well you know. as i said, dockery, we can
only go by what you write, and what you wrote was pretty much a confession on
your part that you wrote the piece. it's as simple as that.
ggamble
wrote:
>Hard to argue with that.
Not that that will stop you from trying.
jesus fuck, will this pointless fucken thread ever fucken die?
Does idiotfuckbrain really believe that endlesssssssssssssssssssssssly
reposting the same old shit is going to bring traffic to his pathetic
spam websites?
Is he really that stupid?
It's in the archives: he is.
j r sherman
come on, Gary, you know it's just part of the total package of lies he has to
tell himself. christ, if he were to be honest about this, that might force him
to be honest about a lot of others things, like what he does for a living, and
how is life is a total waste, about his own selfishness, all of those things.
and he just doesn't have that much courage.
it's all part of the package of lies he has to tell himself so that he doesn't
kill himself.
he's not any different than chuckles.
in fact i would say both he and chuckles as the most fearful people i've ever
seen.
ggamble
wrote:
>
>it's all part of the package of lies he has to tell himself so that he doesn't
>kill himself.
Well, of course.
I'd actually respect him a little bit if he did kill himself.
His estate would be twenty bucks richer if he did.
>he's not any different than chuckles.
Well, of course.
There are subtle differences, though.
dockery doesn't have to post from the library yet.
dockery has never threatened to kill anyone.
But then, chuckles has never posted a hilarious amateur video of
himself stumbling around drunk incoherently mumbling the words he's
desperately trying to read off those 3x5 cards while the band members
roll their collective eyes waiting for him to get off the fucken
stage.
>in fact i would say both he and chuckles as the most fearful people i've ever
>seen.
Well, they both tell more lies than anyone else I've ever encountered.
I suppose the argument could be made that the fear makes them lie.
j r sherman
>
>On 14 Aug 2005 09:17:45 -0700, j r sherman <jr...@earthlink.net>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>it's all part of the package of lies he has to tell himself so that he doesn't
>>kill himself.
>
>Well, of course.
>I'd actually respect him a little bit if he did kill himself.
>His estate would be twenty bucks richer if he did.
i would agree, but i'm trying to figure out where the 20 bucks is gonna come
from, he has nothing. i was thinking he might be able to sell his internal
organs, but all of those are probably as good as his writing.
>>he's not any different than chuckles.
>
>
>Well, of course.
>There are subtle differences, though.
>
>dockery doesn't have to post from the library yet.
>dockery has never threatened to kill anyone.
yet. i think chuckles does the death threats when he has his occasional moments
of clarity, and realizes his life is a joke, and the frustration of that truth
is what makes him nuts. if dockery were to ever realize his life is a joke, he
might do a chuckles death threat thing as well.
>But then, chuckles has never posted a hilarious amateur video of
>himself stumbling around drunk incoherently mumbling the words he's
>desperately trying to read off those 3x5 cards while the band members
>roll their collective eyes waiting for him to get off the fucken
>stage.
i simply do not understand why he doesn't get that! it's right in front of his
fucking face, how much "his" band member are humoring him. then again, he's
probably so drunk he doesn't notice anything.
>>in fact i would say both he and chuckles as the most fearful people i've ever
>>seen.
>
>
>Well, they both tell more lies than anyone else I've ever encountered.
>I suppose the argument could be made that the fear makes them lie.
fear is what drives all of his delusions. fear that at any moment his pathetic
house of cards is gonna fall down all around him. fear that he WILL have a
moment of clarity and realize he's major-ass fucked as far as life goes. fear is
the mindkiller, as Frank Herbert said. although killing dockery's mind is not
something he should be fearful of, ya know?
Will Dockery
"j r sherman" wrote:
> >Will Dockery wrote:
> >
> >Yeah, this was transcribed directly from the tape where it was done
completely "freestyle".
> >
> >The creation of this poem was different from most, or at least most
> >seen hereabouts: it was created completely on-the-spot cold-call in the
> >studio shed. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Dockery_shed.jpg > >
> >The musicians all gathered at the shed one night after playing for a
> >while at the club, and a riff had been concocted during the onstage jam
> >where I rattled off a semi-freestyle poem along with a sheet of words I'd
> >glued down in the William Burroughs manner, almost... just some key words
> >chopped out individually at random because they looked good and since
> >they keyed off references to my life and key characters in the life, I
had
> >planned to sit at the bar and work with it by pen.
> >
> >The musicians were playing what eventually became known as the melody
> >for "Mirror Twins" and I was called up to do vocals, so I took the stage
> >and began telling the story of the last few days glancing at the crib
> >sheet of random words.
> >
> >After that, we met at the shed, turned on the tape recorder, and began
> >again... the result being "Mirror Twins".
changes in new performance, with different musicians the structure of the
words and music remain similar, the key words also stay in the original
structure.
> >The words were transcribed directly from the recording, with no changes.
> >
anyone
> >interested will be able to hit the links below, and find out for
themselves the sort of work i produce.
>
> and after they get done laughing they'll realize what a delusional moron
you
> really are, and even more people will be alerted to the fact that
everything you
> produce is shit, literally everything. and isn't that what i want? yes, in
case
> you weren't following me.
And, as an added bonus, they can laugh immediately at your hilarious "mama
whine trilogy":
----
eyeing mother
* * *
conversions in the dark
mother thought
flashing her moogies
at me in my youth
was funny, and would
soon be forgotten.
i found
her childhood moogie-flash
to be exciting poetry
that night at the beach
and i'll carry the image
around with me
until i die.
* * *
promising mother
the pictures spoke
a thousand words
no more to you
i told myself
all the times i ran
away each time
would mark
another year
until both
you and i
had gone.
and to come again
such promises
once made
about getting old
and to look both ways now,
and promising mother
that not again
would say that to you
a tragedy
not again
to ever stray
not
again
thank you,
your memory.
-j r sherman
----
Rod McKuen would have a boner if only he were here.
Will Dockery
> >
> >"Mirror Twins":
> >
> ><http://tinyurl.com/7on5h>
> >
> >Persi Phone
> >and
> >Prosper Pine
> >watch
> >birds fly
> >darkness went
> >as dawn
> >came
> >God ghost dreams
> >dazed dum
> >passing
> >fall flowers
> >clouded memories
> >his lost selves
> >frolic singing
> >gleam moon
> >wavering chaste
> >shadow likeness
> >doppelganger dark mate
> >dead nahh mo
> >peeps
> >human-godlike
> >swimming winter gray
> >folded arms
> >mastabatin peeps
> >first peeps
> >serpent-wanded power
> >downward Hex drift
> >spectres, lighted below
> >red race fiery
> >befell
> >re-arise
> >lighted
> >cry
> >Shadowville, Iowa, and more!
> >pleasant vale
> >Kite field ablaze
> >flowers brighten,
> >black blur
> >chasm blue `64
> >dark rising
> >folded arms
> >shudder
> >face like uh glass
> >gulf
> >shrilly whinings
> >pierce songful air
> >arch'd necks midnight-maned
> >Jet upward No!
> >touch'd space
> >blank earth-baldness
> >crocus-purple hour
> >seen ya vanish
> >gone
> >human wives nested
> >lioness search
> >palace cot grave
> >tittie
> >waking
> >one whole
> >wail midnight winds
> >night whined
> >climb'd cliffs seas
> >ask'd waves moan
> > round voices
> >eagle-speak
> >negroid woods
> >tomb caves torms
> >Autumn swept city
> >murmur
> >turn'd
> >fled
> >grieved
> >kudzu shatter'd
> >serpent coil'd broken shaft
> >scorpion naked skulls
> >tiger ruin'd fame
> >Spring fallen
> >not far
> >labyrinthine dark
> >three grays beneath gleaming
> >voice from three
> >spin lives
> >why we's spin
> >
> >dying man
> >flits warns
> >far-off nahh more
> >o' dreams heard cry
> >Drew likeness o' himself
> >shadow past
> >brudda Dark one
> >Bright sworn child
> >Power
> >lifts
> >Bride o' Darkness.
> >
> >Shadowville wail'd
> >coffee smack'd o' hemlock,
> >colt 45 tasted aconite.
> >lives loves an hour
> >hard Eternities
> >quick tears ravings hush'd
> >Bird utter grief
> >life thro vine
> >helpless
> >Rain-rotten died, spears
> >hollow-husk'd,leaf fell,
> >Pale grief before his time
> >Sickening winter snow.
> >glancing from his height
> >fallow, miss'd
> >steam sacrifice,
> >nine moons with him
> >Three dark ones
> >
> >reaper gleam dawn
> >landmark far away
> >field in dusk
> >threshing-floor
> >harvest LaGrange
> >ill-content
> >highest gray fox
> >"Save me from you?"
> >down before us?
> >hurl thunderbolt
> >nuetron sword bearer
> >noon into nightbreak
> >sunless halls
> >dark lord
> >die into Light
> >bright year
> >themselves against fear
> >
> >Queen o' Swords
> >risen from dead
> >with mine
> >buried springing blade
> >Autumn
> >harvest hymns
> >see nahh more
> >Stone Wheel
> >dimly-glimmering lawns
> >hateful fires
> >torment shadowy warrior glide
> >silent field
> >in the hood
> >
> >>Do you perform this?
> >>
> >> >Yeah, this was transcribed directly from the tape where it was done completely "freestyle".
> >> >
> >> >The creation of this poem was different from most, or at least most
> >> >seen hereabouts: it was created completely on-the-spot cold-call in the
> >> >studio shed.
> >> >
> >> >at the club, and a riff had been concocted during the onstage jam
> >> >where I rattled off a semi-freestyle poem along with a sheet of words I'd
> >> >glued down in the William Burroughs manner
> >> >individually at random because they looked good and since they keyed
> >> >off references to my life and key characters in the life, I had planned to
> >> >sit at the bar and work with it by pen.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >The musicians were playing what eventually became known as the melody
> >> >for "Mirror Twins" and I was called up to do vocals, so I took the stage
> >> >and began telling the story of the last few days glancing at the crib sheet of random words.
> >> >
> >> >After that, we met at the shed, turned on the tape recorder, and began
> >> >again... the result being "Mirror Twins".
> >> >
> >5
> >> >> minutes is worth listening to or reading.
> >> >
> >> >"Mirror Twins" was made in the space of a few hours, not "5 minutes",
> >>
> >> then you have no excuse as to why it's a piece of shit then, right?
> >>
> >> >but
> >> >working with musicians things sometimes click fast, usually always with
> >guys
> >> >like Henry Conley http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Glazwind_1.jpg
> >or
> >> >0x0000 http://burgergod.earthside.org/ , who i'll be working with in the
> >> >Fall.
> >>
> >> that will certainly be shit as well. it will suck, as does everything you
> >do. it
> >> will suck because you refuse to work to make it better. it's pretty
> >obvious.
> >
> >Heh... it's "obvious" that whatever I do will get the same reaction from
> >you,
>
> as long as it's shit, the truth must be told. and this shit is never-ever going
> to get any better, dockery. as long as you won't admit to yourself that you're
> fraud, and you are a fraud, everything you produce is going to be shit.
>
> >but you fulfill your fucntion, which is to bring to curious around, and
> >I provide the links for them to check the work out on their own.
>
> this is an interesting fantasy you have made for yourself. that somehow people
> are going to clink the links to your unspeakable shit and find it wonderful,
> when clearly no thinking person in the world would find it anything more than
> comical shit.
----
eyeing mother
-j r sherman
----
This stuff is so good one would almost be led to conclude that /someone
else/ wrote it for you, JRS.
Will Dockery
"j r sherman" wrote
> >> >changes in new performance, with different musicians the structure of
the
> >> >words and music remain similar, the key words also stay in the
original
> >> >structure. The words were transcribed directly from the recording,
with no changes.
> >> >
> >> >> >> get you to make the connection between the fact that it took you
> >about 5 minutes to put together and why it's shit, don't we?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I said it was made fast without changes...
> >> >>
They'll have your /mama whine/ trilogy for some gritty, if unintentionally
and pathetically amusing, reality:
----
eyeing mother
-j r sherman
----
--
Renay
<>
Your poem is unspeakably bad but it couldn't possibly be
prose so I guess I'm forced to call it poetry.
This concept makes me so sad that I must tell you
again, it is unspeakably bad.
You can call this jr/my opinion and: fuck jr/me,
but you just explained in detail why it is unspeakably bad.
Your cluelessness about it all is boring to me, but funny
to jr and others.
> And, as an added bonus, they can laugh immediately at your hilarious
> "mama whine trilogy":
<>
>
> This stuff is so good one would almost be led to conclude that /someone
> else/ wrote it for you, JRS.
No, probably not.
It is just unspeakably better than yours.
Will Dockery
> Will Dockery wrote:
>
> Your poem is unspeakably bad but it couldn't possibly be
> prose so I guess I'm forced to call it poetry.
> This concept makes me so sad that I must tell you
> again, it is unspeakably bad.
>
> You can call this jr/my opinion and: fuck jr/me,
> but you just explained in detail why it is unspeakably bad.
> Your cluelessness about it all is boring to me, but funny
> to jr and others.
Yeah, thanks for the comment/critique, and better luck next time, I
suppose, Renay.
Renay
Will Dockery wrote:
> Renay wrote:
> > Will Dockery wrote:
> >
> > Your poem is unspeakably bad but it couldn't possibly be
> > prose so I guess I'm forced to call it poetry.
> > This concept makes me so sad that I must tell you
> > again, it is unspeakably bad.
> >
> > You can call this jr/my opinion and: fuck jr/me,
> > but you just explained in detail why it is unspeakably bad.
> > Your cluelessness about it all is boring to me, but funny
> > to jr and others.
>
> Yeah, thanks for the comment/critique, and better luck next time, I
> suppose, Renay.
You keep it up and keep it up and keep it up.
You seem like a nice guy, but around poetry you
are so utterly clueless and so un/Will/ing to listen.
I'm not picking a fight. No swards up my /amanda/
ass.
Berryman's Legacy
On 2005-08-14 Barbara Scat <c...@kookbusters.org> said:
MORE confirmation of stupid southern redneck cracker-hood.
You're on a roll here, Scat! Wanna go again?
You're about as successful at trolling as you are at
reading message headers. Heh.
Barbara's Cat
posted Sun, 14 Aug 2005 22:17:33 +0000 (UTC),
Berryman's Legacy <m...@privacy.net> said:
Perhaps you're capable of forming an original thought?
Go ahead, try. You might be surprised. I know I will.
--
Cm~
j r sherman
says...
you don't much like the truth, do you, dockery? and besides, you wrote the poem
in question, not me. you admitted that fact right here in the newsgroup.
j r sherman
which you admitted you wrote, dockery. i wish you get over it.
Will Dockery
Heh... now you claim I wrote /all three/ of your crappy yet hilarious poems?
----
eyeing mother
* * *
conversions in the dark
* * *
promising mother
-j r sherman
----
--
Will Dockery
"j r sherman" wrote
I didn't write the poems, man... only you would know such intimate details
of your bizarre mother-son relationship.
Or, as Lou Reed put it:
"A son who is cursed with a harridan mother
or a weak simpering father at best
Is raised to play out the timeless classical motives
of filial love and incest..."
Except Reed covers the memories with less pathetic hiraity than you.
Will Dockery
Meat Plow wrote:
>
> I think Will would be a really nice, cool guy if he quit drinking. I quit
> a couple months ago and my life has been nothing short of blissfull.
> I bought a new Harley, fell in love with a wonderful and beautiful girl
> 9 years my younger who happens to live in my neighborhood. Life
> is great now that it's not clouded by a bottle of booze.
Hey, congratulations, Meat! Still working with the drumming, or back
with guitar?
Dillman Thomas
> > I'm not picking a fight. No swards up my /amanda/ ass.
>
> a couple months ago and my life has been nothing short of blissfull.
A typical reaction to not ingesting toxic yeast piss.
But then Dylan Thomas sward on it.
> I bought a new Harley, fell in love with a wonderful and beautiful girl
> 9 years my younger who happens to live in my neighborhood. Life
> is great now that it's not clouded by a bottle of booze.
Harley rules.
Will Dockery
I thrive on the truth, but truth is rarely seen in these newsgroups,
and /never/ from you, JRS.
Renay
> > you don't much like the truth, do you, dockery?
>
> I thrive on the truth, but truth is rarely seen in these newsgroups,
> and /never/ from you, JRS.
I've never seen jr to lie about your poetry.
He is overly repititious and non-helpful, but
he told no lies I ever saw.
Perhaps I missed it?
Will Dockery
Yeah, his opinion of my poetry, as yours, is honest, I'll grant you.
Perhaps you missed JRS' praise of Michael Cook's poetry... or perhaps
you also agree with JRS that Cook's poetry is /great stuff/?
Some samples:
----
From: Michael (c...@mediaone23.net)
Subject: "Laying down the river Hope" c&c
Laying down the river Hope
Electric winds move, forming clouds
(An unrelenting pursuit of beginnings end)
Wind that blows and yet does blow,
charging the soul, moving the mind.
To run the rift, to seek and define.
The river said: (as she spoke to me)
Mind you boy, stand your turn,
soon your dead and soon you burn.
On her banks, piled up proudly
as far as open eyes can see
Tangles of twisted limbs, torn torsos.
And the tears, oh the lovely tears.
Hanging motionless like clumps of grapes
crowding a sinewy vine.
What eyes have they seen?
High above and a bit below.
Darling castles of bleached white bone.
The haughty on rakish redoubts
from cold smiles stare.
One on Tiffany pulpit calls down:
The course is set, fate you cannot twist
nor from this land seek to forsake. Silly Man
chase on by for; It has come a rending time!
Michael.
* * *
From: Michael (c...@mediaone23.net)
Subject: "People" c&c or c?
People
for Ross
Do they hear sounds as I hear them; see the same colors as I? What do
they
see? What may they hear? Have they ever surrendered their senses to the
world around, pandered an urge to see things as they appear? Do they
ever
stand clear-eyed to the west and contemplate a dime size fireball as it
tumbles off the edge of a vast plain of shrinking vision.
And know that despite wishes, what they know, cannot be so.
Can a tree next to which they stand, assume shapes? Become a marvel of
Gods
good work. One of many opulent furnishings that litter this; my tiny
room
collectively called world.
And know that despite promises it may not be so.
Would they see those same trees, towering large and vibrant beside
them,
shrivel and pale as the perceiving eye of a struggling consciousness
drifts
further along an ever contracting landscape. Until all appears as if
it
could be heaped in disarray at their feet, or slipped neatly into a hip
pocket.
And know that despite will, it could never be so.
Do they fain the sight of birds and how it must be, must feel, to be
driven
aloft on wings given by God, then sustained there with his breath How
small
the world must seem to birds, how they must feel as giants.
And know that despite words we will never know.
Michael.
* * *
From: Michael (c...@mediaone23.net)
Subject: "Sunset Raids"/no c though c's are welcome
Sunset Raids
Or thought provoked by Candice Lee
(presented literality)
Sunset raids
Gater-Hawks, skeeters as big as a man.
I'll be the pirate you my dam.
We shall sail for away lands,
dance Crystal halls, of settling sand.
where Rock'n Rudy
leads a calypso band.
At the foot of empty buildings
with angry facades
skinny girls double-dutch to Iko Iko.
Aging d=E9butantes hurry by,
as rite of day begins anew.
lost in liquid green, haunting blue,
a motionless ship rides a still sea,
unmoved by perfumed winds.
Sunrise skirmishes
Battle-dragons, my horse named Rolen Day,
wander the empty halls of Castle Kintyre
looking for places to play.
Over the red clay hills of Mississippi man
I port position, plan a battle plan.
Safe in rusty armor, sword in sweaty hand
Now I can be noble in a make believe land.
Storks in dungarees.
Fiddler crabs play banjo as calliopes
rumble through colonnade
Dragoons in zoot suits sell
lemonade and Moon Pies.
And the carousel singer says:
Mickey D is Jackin' da ball
An' gandy dancin' from pillar to pall
First stop Big Rock Candy Mountain
then Waltzing Cats.
On Seraphim's flaming sword I'll hang my hat.
Then a faint sound, chilling winds
The faint becomes harsh, cruel. It's 10:24 EST
Now begins the real insanity
Mdc
----
But whether you and JRS agree on me, Cook, or whatever, it'll remain
your individual opinions, and I don't buy into it, because I know
better.
I hit the /truth/ from every angle possible, and have only just begun.
Will Dockery
"Meat Plow" wrote
> Dillman Thomas wrote:
>
> >> > I'm not picking a fight. No swards up my /amanda/ ass.
> >>
> >> I think Will would be a really nice, cool guy if he quit drinking. I
> >> quit a couple months ago and my life has been nothing short of
> >> blissfull.
> >
> > A typical reaction to not ingesting toxic yeast piss.
> >
> > But then Dylan Thomas sward on it.
>
I'm keeping it light, mostly. Here at the shed I stick with black coffee
spiked with a bit of George Dickel, which keeps the typing fingers nimble,
and at the bar, George Dickel shots chased with draft beer.
My pal Woodstock Eddy drinks Scotch and water, so over there I'll have a
couple of those, not bad stuff.
Will Dockery
"Meat Plow" wrote
> Will Dockery wrote:
>
> >> I think Will would be a really nice, cool guy if he quit drinking. I
> >> quit a couple months ago and my life has been nothing short of
> >> blissfull. I bought a new Harley, fell in love with a wonderful and
> >> beautiful girl 9 years my younger who happens to live in my
> >> neighborhood. Life is great now that it's not clouded by a bottle of
> >> booze.
> >
> > Hey, congratulations, Meat! Still working with the drumming, or back
with
> > guitar?
>
> for an hour each day for the workout. I've gone back to bass and will soon
> be gigging again with a few members of the old classic rock band I played
> in from 1995-2000. First gig is the 26th of this month and will be three,
> hour long power sets. We usually did hour sets unless we were required to
> break at 45 minutes. Sometimes we played longer depending on the set
> selection and requests.
If it were anywhere close, I'd try to check it out... best of luck to you,
and your new /sober/ lifestyle.
Dillman Thomas
> But whether you and JRS agree on me, Cook, or whatever, it'll remain
> your individual opinions, and I don't buy into it, because I know
> better.
>
> I hit the /truth/ from every angle possible, and have only just begun.
>
Good luck, old son.
I'll try not to watch.
Dillman Thomas
Meat Plow wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 20:46:44 -0700, Dillman Thomas wrote:
>
> >
> >> > I'm not picking a fight. No swards up my /amanda/ ass.
> >>
> >> I think Will would be a really nice, cool guy if he quit drinking. I
> >> quit a couple months ago and my life has been nothing short of
> >> blissfull.
> >
> > A typical reaction to not ingesting toxic yeast piss.
> >
> > But then Dylan Thomas sward on it.
>
Did Thomas drink beer? I don't know.
I think pretty much all alcohol is yeast piss, isn't it?
http://www.scotch-whisky.org.uk/Scripts/search/searchfiles/qa-lead.htm
Renay
Meat Plow wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 02:13:50 -0700, Dillman Thomas wrote:
>
> >
> > Meat Plow wrote:
> >> On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 20:46:44 -0700, Dillman Thomas wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> >> > I'm not picking a fight. No swards up my /amanda/ ass.
> >> >>
> >> >> I think Will would be a really nice, cool guy if he quit drinking. I
> >> >> quit a couple months ago and my life has been nothing short of
> >> >> blissfull.
> >> >
> >> > A typical reaction to not ingesting toxic yeast piss.
> >> >
> >> > But then Dylan Thomas sward on it.
> >>
> >> I drank a decent scotch not beer.
> >
> > Did Thomas drink beer? I don't know.
> >
> > I think pretty much all alcohol is yeast piss, isn't it?
>
No to what?
Barbara's Cat
posted 14 Aug 2005 21:32:34 -0700,
Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> said:
> Renay wrote:
> > > > you don't much like the truth, do you, dockery?
> > >
> > > I thrive on the truth, but truth is rarely seen in these newsgroups,
> > > and /never/ from you, JRS.
> >
> > I've never seen jr to lie about your poetry.
> >
> > He is overly repititious and non-helpful, but
> > he told no lies I ever saw.
> >
> > Perhaps I missed it?
>
> Yeah, his opinion of my poetry, as yours, is honest, I'll grant you.
>
> Perhaps you missed JRS' praise of Michael Cook's poetry... or perhaps
> you also agree with JRS that Cook's poetry is /great stuff/?
>
> Some samples:
You are as childish as they come, Dockery.
[ obsessively posted poetry snipped ]
--
Cm~
Barbara's Cat
posted 14 Aug 2005 23:58:27 -0700,
Dillman Thomas <delt...@sbcglobal.net> said:
What? But Dockery is your serious admirer.
You just gotta watch, psycho Tommy.
You'll hurt Dockery's feelings if you don't.
--
Cm~
Dillman Thomas
> >> >> I drank a decent scotch not beer.
> >> >
> >> > Did Thomas drink beer? I don't know.
> >> >
> >> > I think pretty much all alcohol is yeast piss, isn't it?
> >>
> >> No
> >
> > No to what?
>
There are 2 questions above and "no" isn't
the correct answer to either, so I wondered.
WRT, scotch, this describes...
http://www.uisge.com/wt/production.html
It starts...
"Scotch Malt Whisky is made in pot stills
from just water, barley and yeast."
This page describes fermentation processes.
http://www.fao.org/docrep/x0560e/x0560e07.htm
There are bacteria that produce alcohol, but I
don't think anything but yeast is responsible for
the alcohol that people drink. (unless you can refute)
I also doubt that DT was drinking beer when he
toxed out, which is confirmed by this page:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/dylanthomas/biography/pages/alcohol.shtml
Will should be encouraged by the fact that DT also
bragged about his drinking. (which is stupid, but
will work for Will, I'm sure)
Dillman Thomas
That is the only thing that is missing.
Oh, and your picture would be nice, too,
thanks!
Dillman Thomas
Where is the picture?
j r sherman
no, just the one, as well you know. you wrote the poem, dockery, and you need to
get over it. if you weren't so quick to try and claim it was yours, you wouldn't
be having this problem.
this is what happens to you when you make language your enemy.
j r sherman
you admitted that you did, right here in the newsgroup, in this very thread. and
you need to get over the fact that you fucked up and admitted that you did write
it, and move on.
if you weren't so stupid, you wouldn't be having this problem.
j r sherman
says...
heh. dockery, you wouldn't know the truth if your life depended on it. this
really is hilarious.
everything about you is a lie, and you're just too fucking stupid to realize it.
>but truth is rarely seen in these newsgroups,
>and /never/ from you, JRS.
i speak the truth when i call your shit what is is, unspeakable shit. i speak
the truth when i point out what a pathetic loser you are. i speak the truth when
i say you're dumber than a burned fence post. all of these are obvious truths,
dockery. and you've done nothing to prove otherwise.
j r sherman
says...
>
>Renay wrote:
>> > > you don't much like the truth, do you, dockery?
>> >
>> > I thrive on the truth, but truth is rarely seen in these newsgroups,
>> > and /never/ from you, JRS.
>>
>> I've never seen jr to lie about your poetry.
>>
>> He is overly repititious and non-helpful, but
>> he told no lies I ever saw.
>>
>> Perhaps I missed it?
>
>Yeah, his opinion of my poetry, as yours, is honest, I'll grant you.
it's also the truth. you produce nothing but shit.
it's just so obvious.
Barbara's Cat
Dillman Thomas <delt...@sbcglobal.net> said:
> Where is the picture?
Which one?
http://www.petitmorte.net/pjr/tom1.jpg
http://www.petitmorte.net/pjr/tom2.jpg
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Dillman Thomas
Is that really so hard, baba-moron,
non-poet?
Are you as stupid as mikey?
Barbara's Cat
Dillman Thomas <delt...@sbcglobal.net> said:
>
> Is that really so hard, baba-moron,
> non-poet?
You would have better luck demanding your serious
admirer Dockery do something. I ignore demands,
especially from psycho morons like you, Tommy.
> Are you as stupid as mikey?
Michael is a USENET God.
You must praise him.
You are a powerless blowhard moron.
You must off yourself.
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Dillman Thomas
Will Dockery
> Dillman Thomas said:
>
> > > But whether you and JRS agree on me, Cook, or whatever, it'll remain
> > > your individual opinions, and I don't buy into it, because I know
> > > better.
> > >
> > > I hit the /truth/ from every angle possible, and have only just begun.
> >
> > Good luck, old son.
> >
> > I'll try not to watch.
>
> What? But Dockery is your serious admirer.
> You just gotta watch, psycho Tommy.
> You'll hurt Dockery's feelings if you don't.
Nobody /has/ to watch, Cat... in fact, if they don't like the work, I
prefer they don't, rather than stand in the way of progress.
They're better off watching something they /do/ like, or better yet
producing something of their own they can appreciate.
Barbara's Cat
Dillman Thomas <delt...@sbcglobal.net> said:
> See subject
See my middle finger. ..I.,
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Dillman Thomas
Will Dockery
"Dillman Thomas" wrote:
> Meat Plow wrote:
> > >
> > >> > I'm not picking a fight. No swards up my /amanda/ ass.
> > >>
> > >> I think Will would be a really nice, cool guy if he quit drinking. I
> > >> quit a couple months ago and my life has been nothing short of
> > >> blissfull.
> > >
> > > A typical reaction to not ingesting toxic yeast piss.
> > >
> > > But then Dylan Thomas sward on it.
> >
> > I drank a decent scotch not beer.
>
> Did Thomas drink beer? I don't know.
>
> I think pretty much all alcohol is yeast piss, isn't it?
>
> http://www.scotch-whisky.org.uk/Scripts/search/searchfiles/qa-lead.htm
Maybe, but it's a fact different types have different effects.
Barbara's Cat
Will Dockery
Did he actually /brag/ or do you percieve it as /bragging/?
I never /brag/ about anything, just give the facts.
Will Dockery
Again, no.
If you have any proof that I posted this, then put it here.
It's your poem, and I took no credit for it.
j r sherman
says...
>
>Barbara's Cat wrote:
>> Dillman Thomas said:
>>
>> > > But whether you and JRS agree on me, Cook, or whatever, it'll remain
>> > > your individual opinions, and I don't buy into it, because I know
>> > > better.
>> > >
>> > > I hit the /truth/ from every angle possible, and have only just begun.
>> >
>> > Good luck, old son.
>> >
>> > I'll try not to watch.
>>
>> What? But Dockery is your serious admirer.
>> You just gotta watch, psycho Tommy.
>> You'll hurt Dockery's feelings if you don't.
>
>Nobody /has/ to watch, Cat... in fact, if they don't like the work, I
>prefer they don't, rather than stand in the way of progress.
what progress? what the fuck are you talking about? "standing in the way of
progress." your shit hasn't changed since you started posting your shit here,
and it never will. when are you going to admit that you're not doing this to
create something, you're doing this because you enjoy posing as if you were a
real artist, when clearly you are not. it's not about the creativity with you,
dockery, it's all about the attention and the lies you MUST tell yourself.
and how is it possible for anyone stand in the way of your laughable "progress?"
where do you come up with this shit, for christ's sake.
Will Dockery
No problem here, except to continue to inform you that you're mistaken: I
never claimed I wrote /any/ of your poems.
j r sherman
you admitted that you did. when i informed you that the poem was written by you,
you said that was why it was better than anything i'd ever written. that's
admitting that you wrote it, dockery. why not be a man for once?
Will Dockery
No, only biased hypocritical opinion.
j r sherman
you admitted that you did write the poem, right here in this newsgroup. why
don't you be a man for once?
j r sherman
based on oceans of truth and evidence. you write nothing but shit. you don't
really write anything any more, ever since Colin and Dale pretty pointed out to
you that all you do write is shit, and gave you some really good advice on how
you can get better, which you promptly ignore, of course. we have your public
embarrassments to view and listen to, and we also know you've used, a number of
times, the memory of your ex-wife as a device to try and bring attention to
yourself.
the truth that you're a loser is based on oceans of evidence, dockery. it's just
so obvious.
Will Dockery
Got proof?
Didn't think so.
j r sherman
says...
certainly. when i informed you that you had written the poem, your reply was to
insist that it was better than anything i'd ever written. clearly that shows you
admitting that you wrote the poem. it was posted right here in this thread.
why don't you be a man for once?
Will Dockery
> >Will Dockery wrote:
> >
> >Yeah, this was transcribed directly from the tape where it was done completely "freestyle".
> >
> >The creation of this poem was different from most, or at least most seen hereabouts: it was created completely on-the-spot cold-call in the studio shed.
> >http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Dockery_shed.jpg
> >
> >The musicians all gathered at the shed one night after playing for a while at the club, and a riff had been concocted during the onstage jam where I rattled off a semi-freestyle poem along with a sheet of
> >words I'd glued down in the William Burroughs manner, almost... just some key words
> >chopped out individually at random because they looked good and since
> >they keyed off references to my life and key characters in the life, I had planned to sit at the bar and work with it by pen.
> >
> >The musicians were playing what eventually became known as the melody for "Mirror Twins" and I was called up to do vocals, so I took the stage
> >and began telling the story of the last few days glancing at the crib sheet of random words.
> >
> >After that, we met at the shed, turned on the tape recorder, and began again... the result being "Mirror Twins".
> >The recording is a spontaeneous first take, no overdubs, so while it changes in new performance, with different musicians the structure of
> >the words and music remain similar, the key words also stay in the original structure.
> >The words were transcribed directly from the recording, with no changes. I like it fine, for the simple reason that as long as this continues,
> >anyone interested will be able to hit the links below, and find out for themselves the sort of work i produce.
> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> which you admitted you wrote, dockery. i wish you get over it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Heh... now you claim I wrote /all three/ of your crappy yet hilarious
> >> >poems?
> >> >>
> >> >> no, just the one, as well you know. you wrote the poem, dockery, and you
> >> >need to
> >> >> get over it. if you weren't so quick to try and claim it was yours, you
> >> >wouldn't
> >> >> be having this problem.
> >> >
> >> >No problem here, except to continue to inform you that you're mistaken: I
> >> >never claimed I wrote /any/ of your poems.
> >>
> >> you admitted that you did write the poem
> >
> >Got proof?
>
> certainly.
Then why not post it?
j r sherman
says...
i just did. when i informed you that you'd written the poem, you said that's why
it's better than anything i've written. you admitted that you wrote the poem,
it's just that simple. why don't you be a man for once?
Will Dockery
"j r sherman" <jr...@earthlink.net> wrote
> Will Dockery wrote:
> >
> >> > > you don't much like the truth, do you, dockery?
> >> >
> >> > I thrive on the truth, but truth is rarely seen in these newsgroups,
> >> > and /never/ from you, JRS.
> >>
> >> I've never seen jr to lie about your poetry.
> >>
> >> He is overly repititious and non-helpful, but
> >> he told no lies I ever saw.
> >>
> >> Perhaps I missed it?
> >
> >Yeah, his opinion of my poetry, as yours, is honest, I'll grant you.
>
> it's also the truth.
As you percieve it, nothing more.
Will Dockery
"j r sherman" wrote
> >Will Dockery wrote:
> >
individual opinions, and I don't buy into it, because I know better.
> >
> >I hit the /truth/ from every angle possible, and have only just begun.
> >
> >>Good luck, old son.
> >>
> >>I'll try not to watch.
> >>
> >> What? But Dockery is your serious admirer.
> >> You just gotta watch, psycho Tommy.
> >> You'll hurt Dockery's feelings if you don't.
> >
> >Nobody /has/ to watch, Cat... in fact, if they don't like the work, I
> >prefer they don't, rather than stand in the way of progress.
>
> what progress?
Of the art, music... the poetry.
j r sherman
>
>
>"j r sherman" <jr...@earthlink.net> wrote
>> Will Dockery wrote:
>> >
>> >> > > you don't much like the truth, do you, dockery?
>> >> >
>> >> > I thrive on the truth, but truth is rarely seen in these newsgroups,
>> >> > and /never/ from you, JRS.
>> >>
>> >> I've never seen jr to lie about your poetry.
>> >>
>> >> He is overly repititious and non-helpful, but
>> >> he told no lies I ever saw.
>> >>
>> >> Perhaps I missed it?
>> >
>> >Yeah, his opinion of my poetry, as yours, is honest, I'll grant you.
>>
>> it's also the truth.
>
>As you percieve it, nothing more.
what, you didn't post the announcement of your ex's death in a dozen different
newsgroups? that never happened? how amusing.
the fact that your wretched shit is wretched shit speaks for itself.
all based on fact.
Will Dockery
"j r sherman" wrote
> >> Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> > > you don't much like the truth, do you, dockery?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I thrive on the truth, but truth is rarely seen in these
newsgroups,
> >> >> > and /never/ from you, JRS.
> >> >>
> >> >> I've never seen jr to lie about your poetry.
> >> >>
> >> >> He is overly repititious and non-helpful, but
> >> >> he told no lies I ever saw.
> >> >>
> >> >> Perhaps I missed it?
> >> >
> >> >Yeah, his opinion of my poetry, as yours, is honest, I'll grant you.
> >>
> >> it's also the truth.
> >
> >As you percieve it, nothing more.
>
> what, you didn't post the announcement of your ex's death in a dozen
different
> newsgroups? that never happened? how amusing.
So, this gives you some reason to drag her memory through the mud in a
sleazy attempt to hurt me?
You're a bitter obsessed fool.
Will Dockery
"Berryman's Legacy" wrote
> On 2005-08-14 Barbara Scat said:
>
> > > > > > Bullshit. It's obvious you're clueless about headers.
> > > > >
> > > > > Really, Scat? Well, then, perhaps YOU'LL be kind enough
> > > > > to explain it to us.
> > > > >
> > > > > C'mon, son, analyse the header on the message containing
> > > > > the 'Eyeing Mother' poem. Tell us all about it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Show us how it proves that 'jr sherman' didn't write and
> > > > > post the poem.
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course, if you CAN'T, or WON'T, offer such an
> > > > > explanation, then that will be positive proof that you're
> > > > > just another stupid southern redneck cracker who's talkin'
> > > > > out of his arse.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well...? We're waiting, Scat. Yee-haw!
> > > >
> > > > What's that, moron? It's Dockery's day off
> > > > and you're filling in as village idiot?
> > >
> > > Heh. Dodge-Weave Scat ducks the question, and goes for
> > > the ad hominem.
> > >
> > > Yep, very predictable.
> > >
> > > Stupid southern redneck cracker talkin' out of his arse
> > > confirmed.
> >
> > Obviously, you're suffering metrophobia. You must;
> > little else would explain your defense of the lies
> > of Dockery, the only one here posing you no threat.
> > Face your fears, lonely Limpy: read lots of poetry
> > and with time and sessions of electroshock therapy,
> > you'll get over it. Well, maybe you will. ..l.,
>
> MORE confirmation of stupid southern redneck cracker-hood.
> You're on a roll here, Scat! Wanna go again?
>
> You're about as successful at trolling as you are at
> reading message headers. Heh.
Heh... apparently, from his performance of this afternoon.
j r sherman
>
>
>"j r sherman" wrote
>> >Will Dockery wrote:
>> >
>> >But whether you and JRS agree on me, Cook, or whatever, it'll remain your
>individual opinions, and I don't buy into it, because I know better.
>> >
>> >I hit the /truth/ from every angle possible, and have only just begun.
>> >
>> >>Good luck, old son.
>> >>
>> >>I'll try not to watch.
>> >>
>> >> What? But Dockery is your serious admirer.
>> >> You just gotta watch, psycho Tommy.
>> >> You'll hurt Dockery's feelings if you don't.
>> >
>> >Nobody /has/ to watch, Cat... in fact, if they don't like the work, I
>> >prefer they don't, rather than stand in the way of progress.
>>
>> what progress?
>
>Of the art, music... the poetry.
your shit hasn't changed from being shit since you got here. besides, the only
person who's standing in the way of your "progress" is you, dumbass.
unless you feel everyone else is to blame for your lack of "progress?"
Will Dockery
"j r sherman" wrote
> >Will Dockery wrote:
> >
completely "freestyle".
> >
> >The creation of this poem was different from most, or at least most seen
hereabouts: it was created completely on-the-spot cold-call in
> >the studio shed. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Dockery_shed.jpg
> >
The musicians all gathered at the shed one night after playing for a
> >while at the club, and a riff had been concocted during the onstage jam
> >where I rattled off a semi-freestyle poem along with a sheet of words
> >chopped out individually at random because they looked good and since
> >they keyed off references to my life and key characters in the life, I
had
> >planned to sit at the bar and work with it by pen.
> >
> >The musicians were playing what eventually became known as the melody
> >for "Mirror Twins" and I was called up to do vocals, so I took the stage
> >and began telling the story of the last few days glancing at the crib
sheet of random words.
> >
> >After that, we met at the shed, turned on the tape recorder, and began
again... the result being "Mirror Twins".
> >
> >>
> >The recording is a spontaeneous first take, no overdubs, so while it
changes in new performance, with different musicians the structure of the
words
> >and music remain similar, the key words also stay in the original
structure.
> >The words were transcribed directly from the recording, with no changes.
> >
> >
> >>no shit. that's why it's bad. that's why it sucks. that's why it's shit.
> >
> >and I personally loved the results.
> >
> >Some things just come out /right/ the first time.
> >> >>
> >> >> i don't think you'd know one way or the other. you have so little
> >skills
> >> >at
> >> >> music and writing (and almost everything else but drinking), and you
> >> >refuse to
> >> >> try and improve yourself in any way, so i don't think you'd know if
it
> >> >came out
> >> >> "right" or not. simply said, you don't possess the skills to make
that
> >> >> determination.
> >> >
> >> >Okay, so you don't like it, and I said thanks for the comments.
> >>
> >> not at all.
> >>
> >> >Rather than continuing to whine over and over about how much you hate
it,
> >> >why not show me how it's done, show me something better... got an Mp3?
> >>
> >> well, i don't profess to be a musician like you do. you claim you make
> >music,
> >> but all i've seen from you is a collection of unspeakable shit that you
> >keep
> >> attempting to pass off as actual music. as long as you keep falsely
> >insisting
> >> that you create music, when you don't, i will point out the fact that
you
> >don't.
> >> that's how it works. too bad if you don't like it.
> >
> >I like it fine, for the simple reason that as long as this continues,
anyone
> >interested will be able to hit the links below, and find out for
themselves
> >the sort of work i produce.
>
I make the art... what the "audience" does on /their time/ is up to them.