Beat Yuhself, Dockery

[Fred Hall]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfXtuSwiDkE&feature=share&noredirect=1

Lawrence Ferlinghetti - Baseball Canto
--

"The only time I encounter any negativity or hateful comments is when I
come to these newsgroups. I don't need it or deserve it. So have fun.
I'm out of here." -- Chuck Lysaght admits being spanked off of Usenet
on 11-19-11 in MID <30be1e1b-751a-4a96...@g7g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>

"I don't know about the war? Christ, you fucking people in this
newsgroup are unbelievable. I was drafted into the U.S. Army. I was
trained for, and participated in the Vietnam conflict."
PedoChuck in MID <a44b9687.0207...@posting.google.com>

"You just don't get it, do you Fred? Into the fucking killfile you go,
you stupid piece of shit." -- Chuck lies again

"Ya know something? I should wait six days to respond to your inane comments.
That way, they'll be removed and there won't be anything to respond to." --
Chuck demonstrates his intelligence

[Will Dockery]

On Apr 6, 2:07 pm, Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfXtuSwiDkE&feature=share&noredirect=1
>
> Lawrence Ferlinghetti - Baseball Canto
> --
>
> "The only time I encounter any negativity or hateful comments is when I
> come to these newsgroups. I don't need it or deserve it. So have fun.
> I'm out of here." -- Chuck Lysaght admits being spanked off of Usenet

> on 11-19-11 in MID <30be1e1b-751a-4a96-a0cf-70d61f1d0...@g7g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>

>
> "I don't know about the war? Christ, you fucking people in this
> newsgroup are unbelievable. I was drafted into the U.S. Army. I was
> trained for, and participated in the Vietnam conflict."

> PedoChuck in MID <a44b9687.0207090424.e67e...@posting.google.com>

>
> "You just don't get it, do you Fred? Into the fucking killfile you go,
> you stupid piece of shit."  -- Chuck lies again
>
> "Ya know something? I should wait six days to respond to your inane comments.
> That way, they'll be removed and there won't be anything to respond to." --
> Chuck demonstrates his intelligence

Thanks Fred, I dig some Ferlinghetti!

--
Tonight... at Roasted Cafe & Lounge in Macon Georgia!
https://www.facebook.com/jacksnipe11?ref=ts#!/events/255946177814366/

[Fred Hall]

On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 19:41:29 +0000 (UTC), Peter J Ross
<p...@example.invalid> wrote in <slrnjo163...@pjr.no-ip.org>:

>In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 06 Apr 2012 13:07:25 -0500, Fred

>Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfXtuSwiDkE&feature=share&noredirect=1
>>
>> Lawrence Ferlinghetti - Baseball Canto
>

>I'm not biting the hook this time.
>
>Besides, I've already laughed at Ferlinghetti's risible attempts at
>"poetry" many times in the past decade.
>
>"Reading Ezra Pound" - as if any "beat" moron would know how to.

I suppose if there are beats who don't know how to read Pound, I
should help them out by letting Pound read to them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aba1dVLVSFg

[Will Dockery]

On Apr 7, 3:41 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:

> Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfXtuSwiDkE&feature=share&noredirect=1
>
> > Lawrence Ferlinghetti - Baseball Canto
>

> I'm not biting the hook this time.
>
> Besides, I've already laughed at Ferlinghetti

There you go again, PJR.

Your obvious jealousy of your betters, Ferlinghetti now, Ginsberg
earlier, is unbecoming.

[Will Dockery]

On Apr 7, 4:00 pm, Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 19:41:29 +0000 (UTC), Peter J Ross

> <p...@example.invalid> wrote in <slrnjo1638.ri2....@pjr.no-ip.org>:

>
> >In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 06 Apr 2012 13:07:25 -0500, Fred
> >Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfXtuSwiDkE&feature=share&noredirect=1
>
> >> Lawrence Ferlinghetti - Baseball Canto
>
> >I'm not biting the hook this time.
>
> >Besides, I've already laughed at Ferlinghetti's risible attempts at
> >"poetry" many times in the past decade.
>
> >"Reading Ezra Pound" - as if any "beat" moron would know how to.
>
> I suppose if there are beats who don't know how to read Pound, I
> should help them out by letting Pound read to them.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aba1dVLVSFg

No, that's just another of PJR's many mistakes, this one
"underestimating the enemy".

Same reason the Brits lost the Revolutionary War and have needed help
from the United States ever since... just sayin'.

--
Here's the Sam Singer tune, which he actually set my poem to music to
on bass. This version is Brian Mallard, Gene Woolfolk Jr & Jack Snipe
on all instruments, my poem & vocal, obviously...
http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_12609809

[Fred Hall]

On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:09:27 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery
<will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in
<143a696a-c724-462b...@m13g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>:

>On Apr 7, 4:00 pm, Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 19:41:29 +0000 (UTC), Peter J Ross
>> <p...@example.invalid> wrote in <slrnjo1638.ri2....@pjr.no-ip.org>:
>>
>> >In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 06 Apr 2012 13:07:25 -0500, Fred
>> >Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfXtuSwiDkE&feature=share&noredirect=1
>>
>> >> Lawrence Ferlinghetti - Baseball Canto
>>
>> >I'm not biting the hook this time.
>>
>> >Besides, I've already laughed at Ferlinghetti's risible attempts at
>> >"poetry" many times in the past decade.
>>
>> >"Reading Ezra Pound" - as if any "beat" moron would know how to.
>>
>> I suppose if there are beats who don't know how to read Pound, I
>> should help them out by letting Pound read to them.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aba1dVLVSFg
>
>No, that's just another of PJR's many mistakes, this one
>"underestimating the enemy".
>
>Same reason the Brits lost the Revolutionary War and have needed help
>from the United States ever since... just sayin'.

Pound was British?

[Corey]

On Apr 8, 5:09 pm, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 7, 4:00 pm, Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 19:41:29 +0000 (UTC), Peter J Ross
> > <p...@example.invalid> wrote in <slrnjo1638.ri2....@pjr.no-ip.org>:
>
> > >In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 06 Apr 2012 13:07:25 -0500, Fred
> > >Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>
> > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfXtuSwiDkE&feature=share&noredirect=1
>
> > >> Lawrence Ferlinghetti - Baseball Canto
>
> > >I'm not biting the hook this time.
>
> > >Besides, I've already laughed at Ferlinghetti's risible attempts at
> > >"poetry" many times in the past decade.
>
> > >"Reading Ezra Pound" - as if any "beat" moron would know how to.
>
> > I suppose if there are beats who don't know how to read Pound, I
> > should help them out by letting Pound read to them.
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aba1dVLVSFg
>
> No, that's just another of PJR's many mistakes, this one
> "underestimating the enemy".
>
> Same reason the Brits lost the Revolutionary War and have needed help
> from the United States ever since... just sayin'.

Call me stupid. I have absolutely no idea what you are just saying.
Seriously. I'm giving myself a headache here trying to figure it out.
I need a little help connecting the dots here. Anything you can do
would be greatly appreciated. Now my head's starting to get hot. Holy
shit. Hurry, please.

[Corey]

On Apr 8, 7:30 pm, Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:09:27 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery

> <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote in
> <143a696a-c724-462b-8a3d-6136814b7...@m13g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>:

Stop that. You know better. You're only making it worse. Fuck. 5am and
I need ice already. This is not the way I wanted to start my day. I
know you think you're trying to be instructive, but do you think you
could be just a little less contemptuously disengenuous in the
process? Thanks ever so much, sweetheart. *smooch* Y'all have a nice
day now, ya hear?

[Fred Hall]

On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 02:07:51 -0700 (PDT), Corey
<hierony...@gmail.com> wrote in
<05328009-1ba1-4f4a...@n5g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>:

Me, disingenuous?

Hope you have a good day also. Say hello to Angel for me, and ask her
to please post to Usenet more frequently. She's very entertaining.

--

Science flew man to the moon
Religion flew man into buildings...

AC

[Corey]

On Apr 9, 5:49 pm, Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 02:07:51 -0700 (PDT), Corey

> <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote in
> <05328009-1ba1-4f4a-91bd-7f6225b98...@n5g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>:

It sounds odd you'd hope I have a good day at this late hour. We just
ate dinner. Angel's sister Jeanie, Maasson and Stephanie are here too.
We had ham and kale and mac&cheese. Mmm. I told Angel you said hi. She
said, "Fred? Do I know Fred?" I told her you were just some guy from
the group. No offense intended.

[Fred Hall]

On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 15:22:13 -0700 (PDT), Corey
<hierony...@gmail.com> wrote in
<6f6dafb7-6e8e-46dd...@z17g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>:

None taken. I am a bit peeved you didn't invite me to dinner.

[Corey]

Religious men flew to the moon,
And caught a Buzz
Aldrin taking Holy Communion.
9/11 was an Emergence, see?

[Corey]

On Apr 9, 6:29 pm, Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 15:22:13 -0700 (PDT), Corey

> <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote in
> <6f6dafb7-6e8e-46dd-864f-19b172528...@z17g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>:

Bullshit. If you were in the neighborhood, you'd be here. I'm easy to
find, and you have my phone numbers. Anyway, if you ever figure out
how, or why you should stop trying to bullshit me, you know you're
welcome here anytime.

[Fred Hall]

On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 15:46:48 -0700 (PDT), Corey
<hierony...@gmail.com> wrote in
<3449c327-9dca-4b16...@s7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>:

I'm a bit shy in real life. I would never presume to just show up at
your door, unannounced, and invite myself to dinner. Same for phone
calls. When I have spoken to Usenet personalities via telephone, they
invariably ridicule me on Usenet, saying I sound like an uneducated
hick. So, if I call you, are you available?

[Corey]

On Apr 9, 7:35 pm, Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 15:46:48 -0700 (PDT), Corey

> <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote in
> <3449c327-9dca-4b16-9bcf-e17eb6a56...@s7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>:

I think we went through this before, didn't we? If you don't feel
comfortable calling, don't call. No worries. Will doesn't like using
the telephone either. It's no big deal. I'm perfectly comfortable like
this or on the phone. Either way works for me. I don't believe you're
shy though. That's just more of your bullshit. If you knew me like my
friends know me you'd presume all those things. I've got some really
rude fucking friends. Like Robert. He's a CPT, cardio pulmonary
technician who sells C arms, if you know what those are. He's on the
road a lot, and stops here at all odd hours. He just showed up,
unannounced, as usual. That's our Robert Dalrymple, LOL.

[the messenjah]

On Apr 9, 7:35 pm, Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 15:46:48 -0700 (PDT), Corey

> <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote in
> <3449c327-9dca-4b16-9bcf-e17eb6a56...@s7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>:

You weren't shy when you called me in the middle of the night calling
me a "kiddie-fucker".

[Fred Hall]

On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 18:19:19 -0700 (PDT), the messenjah
<theguyo...@veryfast.biz> wrote in
<4aed7c09-7c3f-4083...@l14g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>:

Proof, kiddie fucker?

[Cujo DeSockpuppet]

the messenjah <theguyo...@veryfast.biz> wrote in

news:4aed7c09-7c3f-4083...@l14g2000vbe.googlegroups.com:

>"kiddie-fucker".

Isn't it a bit early for a deathbed confession? I hope not!

Feel free to rush it, Kluckweasel.

--
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[Will Dockery]

On Apr 9, 6:46 pm, Corey <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Bullshit. If you were in the neighborhood, you'd be here. I'm easy to
> find, and you have my phone numbers. Anyway, if you ever figure out
> how, or why you should stop trying to bullshit me, you know you're
> welcome here anytime.

I know this is true, and would love to be able to drop in sometimes
and hang out with y'all.

The several hundred miles between us makes that pretty much impossible
for me & The Bro at this time.

--
Music & poetry from Will Dockery & Friends:
http://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery

[Corey]

When exactly is the middle of the night? I keep really odd hours. I
sleep like a baby, which usually means I'm up every couple of hours,
eat, then cry myself back to dreamland. Angel's cool with it so long
as she doesn't have to wash diapers.

[Will Dockery]

Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote:
>
> >No, that's just another of PJR's many mistakes, this one
> >"underestimating the enemy".
>
> >Same reason the Brits lost the Revolutionary War and have needed help
> >from the United States ever since... just sayin'.
>
> Pound was British?

No, if you'll read what I wrote again, I was referring to "PJR".

[Fred Hall]

On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 19:19:21 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery
<will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in
<6de1e2b9-05d3-4cfe...@l14g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>:

>Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>
>> >No, that's just another of PJR's many mistakes, this one
>> >"underestimating the enemy".
>>
>> >Same reason the Brits lost the Revolutionary War and have needed help
>> >from the United States ever since... just sayin'.
>>
>> Pound was British?
>
>No, if you'll read what I wrote again, I was referring to "PJR".

PJR needed Pound's help to win...you have confused me Dockery. I have
no idea what you meant.

[Will Dockery]

Fred Hall wrote:
>
> PJR needed Pound's help to win

There you go, that's my point yet again.

[Will Dockery]

On Apr 9, 4:59 am, Corey <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Apr 8, 5:09 pm, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > No, that's just another of PJR's many mistakes, this one
> > "underestimating the enemy".
>
> > Same reason the Brits lost the Revolutionary War and have needed help
> > from the United States ever since... just sayin'.
>
> Call me stupid. I have absolutely no idea what you are just saying.

Perhaps when you get bthis problem with your head fixed, maybe your
reading comprehension will improve again... hopefully.

Take care, maybe get some rest, my friend.

[Corey]

On Apr 9, 10:23 pm, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 9, 4:59 am, Corey <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 8, 5:09 pm, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > > No, that's just another of PJR's many mistakes, this one
> > > "underestimating the enemy".
>
> > > Same reason the Brits lost the Revolutionary War and have needed help
> > > from the United States ever since... just sayin'.
>
> > Call me stupid. I have absolutely no idea what you are just saying.
>
> Perhaps when you get bthis problem with your head fixed, maybe your
> reading comprehension will improve again... hopefully.
>
> Take care, maybe get some rest, my friend.

You could insult my reading comprehension and make insincere
references to my very real very serious neurological issue, or you
could take the time to explain yourself to someone who genuinely
doesn't understand what you meant. Life is full of tough choices. Of
course, some are obviously tougher than others.

[Fred Hall]

On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 19:25:41 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery
<will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in
<e4da1963-2015-415a...@do4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>:

>Fred Hall wrote:
>>
>> PJR needed Pound's help to win
>
>There you go, that's my point yet again.

What does PJR have to do with WWII?

[Will Dockery]

On Apr 9, 10:38 pm, Corey <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You could insult my reading comprehension and make insincere
> references to my very real very serious neurological issue, or you
> could take the time to explain yourself to someone who genuinely
> doesn't understand what you meant. Life is full of tough choices. Of
> course, some are obviously tougher than others.

Okay, I just assumed you were trying to insult me, since I'm non-
plussed that anyone would or could be confused by what I wrote.

If you really don't understand what I meant in those two senetences,
then I suppose I could explain.

[Will Dockery]

Fred Hall wrote:
>
> What does PJR have to do with WWII?

Or the Revolutionary War?

[Corey]

On Apr 9, 10:41 pm, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 9, 10:38 pm, Corey <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > You could insult my reading comprehension and make insincere
> > references to my very real very serious neurological issue, or you
> > could take the time to explain yourself to someone who genuinely
> > doesn't understand what you meant. Life is full of tough choices. Of
> > course, some are obviously tougher than others.
>
> Okay, I just assumed you were trying to insult me, since I'm non-
> plussed that anyone would or could be confused by what I wrote.
>
> If you really don't understand what I meant in those two senetences,
> then I suppose I could explain.

I really don't care what the fuck you do, Will. Explan. Don't explain.
Whatever. To assume that I was trying to insult you is paranoid
thinking. It's insulting, not to mention just plain nutso. Fuck you.
I'm going to bed. You can apologize tomorrow. And it better be a damn
good one if you want to keep a friend, asshole.

[Fred Hall]

On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 19:41:59 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery
<will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in
<97af3f9d-6124-46e4...@y13g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>:

>On Apr 9, 10:38 pm, Corey <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> You could insult my reading comprehension and make insincere
>> references to my very real very serious neurological issue, or you
>> could take the time to explain yourself to someone who genuinely
>> doesn't understand what you meant. Life is full of tough choices. Of
>> course, some are obviously tougher than others.
>
>Okay, I just assumed you were trying to insult me, since I'm non-
>plussed that anyone would or could be confused by what I wrote.
>
>If you really don't understand what I meant in those two senetences,
>then I suppose I could explain.

I really don't understand what you meant. Please explain. It could
be that Corey and I are both dumbasses, unable to comprehend what we
read. I doubt it. It has been my experience that when the audience
does not understand the presentation, the fault lies with individual
presenting the information.

[Fred Hall]

On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 19:43:50 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery
<will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in
<c131194a-4ac1-44f9...@36g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>:

>Fred Hall wrote:
>>
>> What does PJR have to do with WWII?
>
>Or the Revolutionary War?

Fine

[Will Dockery]

On Apr 9, 10:49 pm, Corey <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I really don't care what the fuck you do, Will. Explan. Don't explain.
> Whatever. To assume that I was trying to insult you is paranoid
> thinking. It's insulting, not to mention just plain nutso. Fuck you.
> I'm going to bed. You can apologize tomorrow. And it better be a damn
> good one if you want to keep a friend, asshole.

Wow.

Yes, I apologize... I had no idea you were so sensitive about all
this, get some rest and here's hoping you wake up back to normal again
in the morning, my friend.

[Will Dockery]

Fred Hall wrote:
>
> I really don't understand what you meant. Please explain. It could
> be that Corey and I are both dumbasses, unable to comprehend

Okay, try reading it again then, maybe:

<snip for focus>

> > >"Reading Ezra Pound" - as if any "beat" moron would know how to.
>
> > I suppose if there are beats who don't know how to read Pound

<snip for focus>

> No, that's just another of PJR's many mistakes, this one
> "underestimating the enemy".
>
> Same reason the Brits lost the Revolutionary War and have needed help
> from the United States ever since... just sayin'.

...And then point out what part of "PJR is a jealous Brit Moron" you
don't understand.

Okay, Fred... your move.

--
Music & poetry from Will Dockery & Friends:
http://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery

> --
> Here's the Sam Singer tune, which he actually set my poem to music to
> on bass. This version is Brian Mallard, Gene Woolfolk Jr & Jack Snipe
> on all instruments, my poem & vocal, obviously...

http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_12609809

[Fred Hall]

On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 20:05:42 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery
<will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in
<a91bd72c-d270-4235...@h20g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>:

>Fred Hall wrote:
>>
>> I really don't understand what you meant. Please explain. It could
>> be that Corey and I are both dumbasses, unable to comprehend
>
>Okay, try reading it again then, maybe:
>
><snip for focus>
>
>> > >"Reading Ezra Pound" - as if any "beat" moron would know how to.
>>
>> > I suppose if there are beats who don't know how to read Pound
>
><snip for focus>
>
>> No, that's just another of PJR's many mistakes, this one
>> "underestimating the enemy".
>>
>> Same reason the Brits lost the Revolutionary War and have needed help
>> from the United States ever since... just sayin'.
>
>...And then point out what part of "PJR is a jealous Brit Moron" you
>don't understand.
>
>Okay, Fred... your move.

Thanks for the explanation, but I didn't get the sense PJR was jealous
of anything. He did make a reference to ' beat morons' being able to
to read Pound, but he he did not state that *all* beats were unable to
read Pound.

Okay, Will...your move

[Will Dockery]

On Apr 9, 10:50 pm, Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 19:43:50 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery wrote in
> <c131194a-4ac1-44f9-af72-07bf98296...@36g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>:

>>Fred Hall wrote:
>
> >> What does PJR have to do with WWII?
>
> >Or the Revolutionary War?
>
> Fine

Get it now?

Good.

If not, try reading it again then, maybe:

<snip for focus>

> > >"Reading Ezra Pound" - as if any "beat" moron would know how to.
>
> > I suppose if there are beats who don't know how to read Pound

<snip for focus>

> No, that's just another of PJR's many mistakes, this one
> "underestimating the enemy".
>
> Same reason the Brits lost the Revolutionary War and have needed help
> from the United States ever since... just sayin'.

...And then point out what part of "PJR is a jealous Brit Moron" you don't
understand.

[Will Dockery]

Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the explanation, but I didn't get the sense PJR was jealous
> of anything.

PJR has a pattern of showing similar jealousy of and for the works (& fame)
of quite a few poets who are better poets than he could ever hope to be,
right offhand I can remember him demstrating this over Ginsberg, Dickinson,
Cohen, Hammes... and now the master poet Ferlinghetti.

So, you may not agree but I have my opinion and you have yours on the
matter, obviously.

[Fred Hall]

On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 23:38:04 -0400, "Will Dockery"
<will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in <jm09vu$dq1$1...@dont-email.me>:

>Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the explanation, but I didn't get the sense PJR was jealous
>> of anything.
>
>PJR has a pattern of showing similar jealousy of and for the works (& fame)
>of quite a few poets who are better poets than he could ever hope to be,
>right offhand I can remember him demstrating this over Ginsberg, Dickinson,
>Cohen, Hammes... and now the master poet Ferlinghetti.
>
>So, you may not agree but I have my opinion and you have yours on the
>matter, obviously.

Yes, we do. But, PJR has always explained the reasons he dislikes
certain poets. Constructive criticism. Isn't that what these groups
are for? It is not written into the US Constitution that one must bow
down before the greatness of Ginsberg, Ferlinghetti, or, for that
matter, Dickinson. (In case you haven't noticed, I despise Dickinson's
poetry. In college, if I required to write about Dickinson, I
invariably received a poor grade)

So, do you dislike Pound?

Discuss

[Will Dockery]

Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>
> So, do you dislike Pound?

No, in spite of the fact that Ezra Pound was a bugfuck crazy Anti-Semite,
I've often found him to be often amusing, and an interesting storyteller,
here's a post I made about Pound a number of years ago:

http://www.myforumabout.com/art/poetry/re-the-will-dockery-archives-part-1-a-102902

----
From: Will Dockery
Subject: Ezra Pound: the cold coffee incident
Date: 2004-09-02 10:49:38 PST

"I had withdrawn in forest and my song
Was swallowed up in leaves..."
-Robert Frost

[from the review of "A Boy's Will" by Robert Frost]:

"I remember that I was canoeing and thirsty and I put into a shanty for
water and found a man who had no water and gave me cold coffee instead.
And he didn't understand it, he was from a minor city and he "just set
there watchin' the river" and didn't "seem to want to go back," and he
didn't care for anything else. and so I presume he entered into Anunda.
And I remember Joseph Campbell telling me of meeting a man on a
desolate waste of bogs, and he said to him, "it's rather dull here";
and the man said,

"Faith, ye can sit on a middan and dream stars."

And that is the essence of folk poetry with distinction between America
and Ireland. And Frost's book reminded me of these things..."
-Ezra Pound [excerpted from "Into my Own" by John Evangelest Walsh.]
----

In honor of Pound and live broadcasts.

[Will Dockery]

[Fred Hall]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 00:16:26 -0400, "Will Dockery"
<will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in <jm0cvm$odi$2...@dont-email.me>:

>Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>>
>> So, do you dislike Pound?
>
>No, in spite of the fact that Ezra Pound was a bugfuck crazy Anti-Semite,
>I've often found him to be often amusing, and an interesting storyteller,
>here's a post I made about Pound a number of years ago:

Glad you cleared that up

[Corey]

On Apr 9, 11:12 pm, Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 20:05:42 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery

> <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote in
> <a91bd72c-d270-4235-a689-76b705463...@h20g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>:

I understand chess well enough that I can watch a game progress and
appreciate each player's advances. Checkers eludes me for some reason.

[Corey]

On Apr 9, 10:57 pm, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 9, 10:49 pm, Corey <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I really don't care what the fuck you do, Will. Explan. Don't explain.
> > Whatever. To assume that I was trying to insult you is paranoid
> > thinking. It's insulting, not to mention just plain nutso. Fuck you.
> > I'm going to bed. You can apologize tomorrow. And it better be a damn
> > good one if you want to keep a friend, asshole.
>
> Wow.
>
> Yes, I apologize... I had no idea you were so sensitive about all
> this, get some rest and here's hoping you wake up back to normal again
> in the morning, my friend.

I don't try to insult people. I'm not that subtle. If I insult you,
you know damn well you've been insulted. There's no mistaking my
insults. If I say I don't understand something you said, that doesn't
mean either of us are stupid. I have severe bilateral tinnitus. I
don't hear so good. Same goes for how I read. Sometimes I don't read
so good. If I ask you to explain something, don't get all pissy and
repeat yourself. Just assume I didn't hear you correctly the first
time.

[Corey]

On Apr 9, 11:50 pm, Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 23:38:04 -0400, "Will Dockery"

> <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote in <jm09vu$dq...@dont-email.me>:

OMG, LOL! You are truly laughable, Fred. Get over yourself and your
hero worship of PJR. He's nothing but an elitist fop who constantly
compares himself to the likes of certain poets of whom he is envious.
Your stated opinion of Dickinson is particularly revelatory. Of your
current sex life, if nothing else. Do your own homework.

[Will Dockery]

On Apr 10, 12:46 am, Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 00:16:26 -0400, "Will Dockery" wrote in <jm0cvm$od...@dont-email.me>:
>>Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>
> >> So, do you dislike Pound?
>
> >No, in spite of the fact that Ezra Pound was a bugfuck crazy Anti-Semite,
> >I've often found him to be often amusing, and an interesting storyteller,
> >here's a post I made about Pound a number of years ago:
>
> Glad you cleared that up

No problem.

> >http://www.myforumabout.com/art/poetry/re-the-will-dockery-archives-p...

>
> >----
> > From: Will Dockery
> > Subject: Ezra Pound: the cold coffee incident
> > Date: 2004-09-02 10:49:38 PST
>
> >"I had withdrawn in forest and my song
> > Was swallowed up in leaves..."
> > -Robert Frost
>
> >[from the review of "A Boy's Will" by Robert Frost]:
>
> >"I remember that I was canoeing and thirsty and I put into a shanty for
> > water and found a man who had no water and gave me cold coffee instead.
> > And he didn't understand it, he was from a minor city and he "just set
> > there watchin' the river" and didn't "seem to want to go back," and he
> > didn't care for anything else. and so I presume he entered into Anunda.
> > And I remember Joseph Campbell telling me of meeting a man on a
> > desolate waste of bogs, and he said to him, "it's rather dull here";
> > and the man said,
>
> >"Faith, ye can sit on a middan and dream stars."
>
> >And that is the essence of folk poetry with distinction between America
> > and Ireland. And Frost's book reminded me of these things..."
> > -Ezra Pound [excerpted from "Into my Own" by John Evangelest Walsh.]
> > ----
>
> >In honor of Pound and live broadcasts.

--
Under The Radar / Shadowville All-Stars:
http://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery#!/play_now/song_12609809

[Will Dockery]

On Apr 12, 3:01 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:

>Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>
> > What does PJR have to do with WWII?
>

> Perhaps I started it?

Nah, you're just another Hitler-wannabe, PJR

--
Music & poetry of Will Dockery & Friends:
http://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery

[Fred Hall]

On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 16:24:34 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery
<will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in
<4601c510-37d4-471d...@m13g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>:

>On Apr 12, 3:01 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>>Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>>
>> > What does PJR have to do with WWII?
>>
>> Perhaps I started it?
>
>Nah, you're just another Hitler-wannabe, PJR

Wie so, Herr Dockery?

[Aratzio]

On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:01:58 +0000 (UTC), in the land of
rec.arts.poems, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> got double secret
probation for writing:

>In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon, 09 Apr 2012 21:35:44 -0500, Fred

>Perhaps I started it?

Nope, that was my fault. I shot the Archduke Ferdinand's younger
brother.

[Fred Hall]

On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:57:23 -0700, Aratzio <a6ah...@sneakemail.com>
wrote in <rdueo75pikahcujjv...@4ax.com>:

For stealing your H-Bomb Ferguson LP?

[Corey]

On Apr 12, 10:19 pm, Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:57:23 -0700, Aratzio <a6ahly...@sneakemail.com>
> wrote in <rdueo75pikahcujjvojgr5mcqjj4e9l...@4ax.com>:

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:01:58 +0000 (UTC), in the land of
> >rec.arts.poems, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> got double secret
> >probation for writing:
>
> >>In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon, 09 Apr 2012 21:35:44 -0500, Fred
> >>Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>
> >>> On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 19:25:41 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery

> >>> <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >>> <e4da1963-2015-415a-9647-4467addf1...@do4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>:

>
> >>>>Fred Hall wrote:
>
> >>>>> PJR needed Pound's help to win
>
> >>>>There you go, that's my point yet again.
>
> >>> What does PJR have to do with WWII?
>
> >>Perhaps I started it?
>
> >Nope, that was my fault. I shot the Archduke Ferdinand's younger
> >brother.
>
> For stealing your H-Bomb Ferguson LP?

Et tu, Brute? "Don't look, Ethel!" - Ray Stevens. Boogity, Boogity.

[Aratzio]

On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 21:19:21 -0500, in the land of rec.arts.poems,
Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> got double secret probation for

writing:

>On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:57:23 -0700, Aratzio <a6ah...@sneakemail.com>
>wrote in <rdueo75pikahcujjv...@4ax.com>:
>
>>On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:01:58 +0000 (UTC), in the land of
>>rec.arts.poems, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> got double secret
>>probation for writing:
>>
>>>In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon, 09 Apr 2012 21:35:44 -0500, Fred
>>>Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 19:25:41 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery
>>>> <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> <e4da1963-2015-415a...@do4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>:
>>>>
>>>>>Fred Hall wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PJR needed Pound's help to win
>>>>>
>>>>>There you go, that's my point yet again.
>>>>
>>>> What does PJR have to do with WWII?
>>>
>>>Perhaps I started it?
>>
>>Nope, that was my fault. I shot the Archduke Ferdinand's younger
>>brother.
>
>For stealing your H-Bomb Ferguson LP?

Nah, he took the Charly CD Red Box Complete Muddy Waters

[Will Dockery]

On Apr 12, 8:46 pm, Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 16:24:34 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery wrote in
> <4601c510-37d4-471d-ac46-5d2485182...@m13g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>:

>>On Apr 12, 3:01 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
> >>Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>
> >> > What does PJR have to do with WWII?
>
> >> Perhaps I started it?
>
> >Nah, you're just another Hitler-wannabe, PJR
>
> Wie so, Herr Dockery?

Isn't it obvious, Fred?

[Fred Hall]

On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 20:20:48 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery
<will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in
<1038d033-289e-4ecc...@do4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>:

>On Apr 12, 8:46 pm, Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 16:24:34 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery wrote in
>> <4601c510-37d4-471d-ac46-5d2485182...@m13g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>:
>>>On Apr 12, 3:01 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>> >>Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > What does PJR have to do with WWII?
>>
>> >> Perhaps I started it?
>>
>> >Nah, you're just another Hitler-wannabe, PJR
>>
>> Wie so, Herr Dockery?
>
>Isn't it obvious, Fred?

If it was obvious, I wouldn't have asked.

[Fred Hall]

On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 20:20:48 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery
<will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in
<1038d033-289e-4ecc...@do4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>:

>Under The Radar / Shadowville All-Stars:
>http://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery#!/play_now/song_12609809

Not bad. Kinda LouReedy, and I know why.

[Fred Hall]

On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:25:36 -0700, Aratzio <a6ah...@sneakemail.com>
wrote in <qvnho7t5t2jqvopmt...@4ax.com>:

THE BASTARD!!! Am I too late to sign up for the war?

[Will Dockery]

On Apr 14, 12:06 am, Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 20:20:48 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery wrote in
> <1038d033-289e-4ecc-9053-7133f7a7c...@do4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>:

>
> >Under The Radar / Shadowville All-Stars:
> >http://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery#!/play_now/song_12609809
>
> Not bad.  Kinda LouReedy, and I know why.

Thanks... but wie so, Herr Hall?

[Corey]

On Apr 14, 12:07 am, Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:25:36 -0700, Aratzio <a6ahly...@sneakemail.com>
> wrote in <qvnho7t5t2jqvopmt903h4ahq8s0b1k...@4ax.com>:

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 21:19:21 -0500, in the land of rec.arts.poems,
> >Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> got double secret probation for
> >writing:
>

> >>On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:57:23 -0700, Aratzio <a6ahly...@sneakemail.com>
> >>wrote in <rdueo75pikahcujjvojgr5mcqjj4e9l...@4ax.com>:

>
> >>>On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:01:58 +0000 (UTC), in the land of
> >>>rec.arts.poems, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> got double secret
> >>>probation for writing:
>
> >>>>In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon, 09 Apr 2012 21:35:44 -0500, Fred
> >>>>Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 19:25:41 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery

> >>>>> <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >>>>> <e4da1963-2015-415a-9647-4467addf1...@do4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>:

>
> >>>>>>Fred Hall wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> PJR needed Pound's help to win
>
> >>>>>>There you go, that's my point yet again.
>
> >>>>> What does PJR have to do with WWII?
>
> >>>>Perhaps I started it?
>
> >>>Nope, that was my fault. I shot the Archduke Ferdinand's younger
> >>>brother.
>
> >>For stealing your H-Bomb Ferguson LP?
>
> >Nah, he took the Charly CD Red Box Complete Muddy Waters
>
> THE BASTARD!!!  Am I too late to sign up for the war?

LOL. War? You? Seriously, Fred, anytime you want your ass handed to
you, just say so. I'm here for you.

[Will Dockery]

"Let's you & him fight." -Popeye

--

[Corey]

Would it matter if Nazi skinheads loved your music, Will? For example,
if you found out that there was a subculture of racist thugs who
really loved your music, and used your songs as a rallying and
recruiting tool at all their racist thug club meetings, how would you
react to their free use of your work? How would you feel if your music
was played in prison, and a child molesting, rapist, murderer thought
your music was the real cat's meow? What if, all of a sudden, you
became really popular, but only with the outcast, dregs of society.
How would that affect your perception of whatever the fuck you call
what you do?

[Corey]

On Apr 14, 6:38 am, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 14, 6:31 am, Corey <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 14, 12:07 am, Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>
> > > THE BASTARD!!!  Am I too late to sign up for the war?
>
> > LOL. War? You? Seriously, Fred, anytime you want your ass handed to
> > you, just say so. I'm here for you.
>
> "Let's you & him fight." -Popeye

I am Popeye. Fred's Fucked.

[Will Dockery]

On Apr 14, 6:47 am, Corey <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:

Sounds like the problems Ron Paul has been having.

[Corey]

Okay. Identify with whoever the fuck you want. I didn't ask Paul. I
don't have access to him to get a direct answer. I asked you,
specifically and directly. You pussied out to Paul. Try again.

[Will Dockery]

On Apr 10, 12:46 am, Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 00:16:26 -0400, "Will Dockery" wrote in
> <jm0cvm$od...@dont-email.me>:
>>Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>
> >> So, do you dislike Pound?
>
> >No, in spite of the fact that Ezra Pound was a bugfuck crazy Anti-Semite,
> >I've often found him to be often amusing, and an interesting storyteller,
> >here's a post I made about Pound a number of years ago:
>
> Glad you cleared that up

Indeed... heh.

> >http://www.myforumabout.com/art/poetry/re-the-will-dockery-archives-p...
>
> >----
> > From: Will Dockery
> > Subject: Ezra Pound: the cold coffee incident
> > Date: 2004-09-02 10:49:38 PST
>
> >"I had withdrawn in forest and my song
> > Was swallowed up in leaves..."
> > -Robert Frost
>
> >[from the review of "A Boy's Will" by Robert Frost]:
>
> >"I remember that I was canoeing and thirsty and I put into a shanty for
> > water and found a man who had no water and gave me cold coffee instead.
> > And he didn't understand it, he was from a minor city and he "just set
> > there watchin' the river" and didn't "seem to want to go back," and he
> > didn't care for anything else. and so I presume he entered into Anunda.
> > And I remember Joseph Campbell telling me of meeting a man on a
> > desolate waste of bogs, and he said to him, "it's rather dull here";
> > and the man said,
>
> >"Faith, ye can sit on a middan and dream stars."
>
> >And that is the essence of folk poetry with distinction between America
> > and Ireland. And Frost's book reminded me of these things..."
> > -Ezra Pound [excerpted from "Into my Own" by John Evangelest Walsh.]
> > ----
>
> >In honor of Pound and live broadcasts.

--

Music & poetry from Will Dockery & Friends:
http://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery

[Will Dockery]

[Will Dockery]

Corey wrote:
>
> I asked you,
> specifically and directly.

Okay, my honest answer is that I don't *know* what I would do, since I
don't have a "problem" like that and don't expect to.

But if I did, I guess I might do some research and see what others
that have been in a situation similar to what you describe did, which
may have been why I used Ron Paul's example, since he's currently
having similar problems.

Or maybe I'd check into what, say, Paul McCartney did when Charles
Manson took "Helter Skelter" and ran with it.

Okay, now that's an honest and direct answer for you... take it or
leave it.

--

[Aratzio]

On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 00:06:51 +0000 (UTC), in the land of

rec.arts.poems, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> got double secret
probation for writing:

>In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:57:23 -0700,

>But, to be fair, I was the one who created the whole Habsburg dynasty
>in my secret Bechtel/Bush-funded laboratory.
>
>"Unir lbh jngrerq gur oenvaf gbqnl, Vtbe?"

That would be where "buggerit" came from?

[Corey]

On Apr 19, 9:05 pm, Aratzio <a6ahly...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 00:06:51 +0000 (UTC), in the land of
> rec.arts.poems, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> got double secret
> probation for writing:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:57:23 -0700,

> >Aratzio <a6ahly...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>
> >> On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:01:58 +0000 (UTC), in the land of
> >> rec.arts.poems, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> got double secret
> >> probation for writing:
>
> >>>In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon, 09 Apr 2012 21:35:44 -0500, Fred
> >>>Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 19:25:41 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery

> >>>> <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >>>> <e4da1963-2015-415a-9647-4467addf1...@do4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>:

>
> >>>>>Fred Hall wrote:
>
> >>>>>> PJR needed Pound's help to win
>
> >>>>>There you go, that's my point yet again.
>
> >>>> What does PJR have to do with WWII?
>
> >>>Perhaps I started it?
>
> >> Nope, that was my fault. I shot the Archduke Ferdinand's younger
> >> brother.
>
> >But, to be fair, I was the one who created the whole Habsburg dynasty
> >in my secret Bechtel/Bush-funded laboratory.
>
> >"Unir lbh jngrerq gur oenvaf gbqnl, Vtbe?"
>
> That would be where "buggerit" came from?

On buggery, from Bogomil, for that's its origin,
Though it is not my practice, I do not think it a sin.
The Bogomils were put upon by members of the Church,
But please don't poke me back there because ... Ow! Goddam that hurts!

[George Dance]

> On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 19:41:29 +0000 (UTC), Peter J Ross
> <p...@example.invalid> wrote in <slrnjo1638.ri2....@pjr.no-ip.org>:
>
> >In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 06 Apr 2012 13:07:25 -0500, Fred
> >Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>
> >> Lawrence Ferlinghetti - Baseball Canto
>
> >I'm not biting the hook this time.
>
> >Besides, I've already laughed at Ferlinghetti's risible attempts at
> >"poetry" many times in the past decade.
>
> >"Reading Ezra Pound" - as if any "beat" moron would know how to.
>
> I suppose if there are beats who don't know how to read Pound, I
> should help them out by letting Pound read to them.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aba1dVLVSFg

I see. So Ferlinghetti, and others who read Pound in books, are
"morons" who don't "know how" to read his poetry. Real poets like ~PJ~
"read" Pound on YouTube.

[Fred Hall]

On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 15:50:21 -0700 (PDT), George Dance
<george...@yahoo.ca> wrote in
<343ddf30-7629-4fb8...@w7g2000vbg.googlegroups.com>:

I wrote "I suppose if there are..."

Pay attention, George. Don't let the letters P-J-R drive you into a
frothing frenzy when you see them on your screen.

--

George Dance for Prime Minister!

http://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/

[Corey]

On Apr 21, 8:13 pm, Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 15:50:21 -0700 (PDT), George Dance

> <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote in
> <343ddf30-7629-4fb8-9e20-d1ce465a3...@w7g2000vbg.googlegroups.com>:

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 19:41:29 +0000 (UTC), Peter J Ross
> >> <p...@example.invalid> wrote in <slrnjo1638.ri2....@pjr.no-ip.org>:
>
> >> >In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 06 Apr 2012 13:07:25 -0500, Fred
> >> >Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> Lawrence Ferlinghetti - Baseball Canto
>
> >> >I'm not biting the hook this time.
>
> >> >Besides, I've already laughed at Ferlinghetti's risible attempts at
> >> >"poetry" many times in the past decade.
>
> >> >"Reading Ezra Pound" - as if any "beat" moron would know how to.
>
> >> I suppose if there are beats who don't know how to read Pound, I
> >> should help them out by letting Pound read to them.
>
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aba1dVLVSFg
>
> >I see. So Ferlinghetti, and others who read Pound in books, are
> >"morons" who don't "know how" to read his poetry. Real poets like ~PJ~
> >"read" Pound on YouTube.
>
> I wrote "I suppose if there are..."
>
> Pay attention, George.  Don't let the letters P-J-R drive you into a
> frothing frenzy when you see them on your screen.

LOL. Reminds me of the Twilight Zone intro, "a dimension not only of
sight and sound, but of mind." I love the word READ and how it can be
viewed and interpreted in various contexts. Thinking of reading words
first, obviously, like these. Then think of reading music,
particularly the mathematical and auditory components that suggest
themselves into the reading process. Then think of reading people,
their actions, mannerisms, tones of voice etc. We all do it to each
other all the time as a means of navigating our way through both
intimate family and larger societal relationships. We interpret data
and we respond. The unique and peculiar value and facility of Usenet
is its textual representation, i.e. everything is reduced to black and
white, binary function. The white part is obviously the blank page,
the background, essentially nothing. Nobody has anything against
nothing, or nothingness. It has no value. The text is black though.
Therein lies the message. Of the two, I am personally represented by
this very specific black text you are reading, so if you don't like
anything you just read then you must have a personal problem with
black persons, obviously. It's in black and white right there in front
of you. LOL.

[Will Dockery]

Poor pathetic PJR continues to grasp at straws.

--
Wobble / W. Dockery & H. Conley:
http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_12951892

[George Dance]

On Apr 21, 8:13 pm, Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 15:50:21 -0700 (PDT), George Dance

> <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote in
> <343ddf30-7629-4fb8-9e20-d1ce465a3...@w7g2000vbg.googlegroups.com>:

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 19:41:29 +0000 (UTC), Peter J Ross
> >> <p...@example.invalid> wrote in <slrnjo1638.ri2....@pjr.no-ip.org>:
>
> >> >In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 06 Apr 2012 13:07:25 -0500, Fred
> >> >Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> Lawrence Ferlinghetti - Baseball Canto
>
> >> >I'm not biting the hook this time.
>
> >> >Besides, I've already laughed at Ferlinghetti's risible attempts at
> >> >"poetry" many times in the past decade.
>
> >> >"Reading Ezra Pound" - as if any "beat" moron would know how to.
>
> >> I suppose if there are beats who don't know how to read Pound, I
> >> should help them out by letting Pound read to them.
>
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aba1dVLVSFg
>
> >I see. So Ferlinghetti, and others who read Pound in books, are
> >"morons" who don't "know how" to read his poetry. Real poets like ~PJ~
> >"read" Pound on YouTube.
>
> I wrote "I suppose if there are..."
>

Well, ~PJ~ has written in the same vein in the past, so that would
have been no surprise. It is news (though maybe not really a surprise)
to find you agreeing with him.

So why do you think Pound (or Ferlinghetti, or any other poet) can't
be properly read or appreceiated by reading text from a book, but has
to be "read" on YouTube or the like?

> Pay attention, George.  Don't let the letters P-J-R drive you into a
> frothing frenzy when you see them on your screen.

What bothers me about ~PJ~, in this case, is that he often does advise
wannabe poets to read poetry when he doesn't see any value to reading
books in the first place -- it comes across, like so much of his
advice, as just a critical cliche he picked up in order to better pass
himself off as a critic.

[George Dance]

On Apr 9, 11:50 pm, Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 23:38:04 -0400, "Will Dockery"
> <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote in <jm09vu$dq...@dont-email.me>:
>
> >Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>
> >> Thanks for the explanation, but I didn't get the sense PJR was jealous
> >> of anything.
>
> >PJR has a pattern of showing similar jealousy of and for the works (& fame)
> >of quite a few poets who are better poets than he could ever hope to be,
> >right offhand I can remember him demstrating this over Ginsberg, Dickinson,
> >Cohen, Hammes... and now the master poetFerlinghetti.
>
> >So, you may not agree but I have my opinion and you have yours on the
> >matter, obviously.
>
> Yes, we do.  But, PJR has always explained the reasons he dislikes
> certain poets.


Oh, sure: He doesn't like Ginsberg because (he says) Ginsberg's a
"turd" and a "pedophile". He doesn't like Dickinson because (he says)
she was "looney" and a "dyke". He doesn't like Whitman, or Poe, or
Longfellow, because all their poems are "crap."

> Constructive criticism.

Just what do you think is "constructive" about any of that?

> Isn't that what these groups
> are for?

No, I don't think the alt. poetry groups are not for dumping on
whomever you dislike. There are plenty of groups -- alt.usenet.kooks,
alt.fucknozzles, and the like -- for that sort of behavior.

> It is not written into the US Constitution that one must bow
> down before the greatness of Ginsberg,Ferlinghetti, or, for that
> matter, Dickinson.

Or immature trolls like ~PJ Ross~, either. So why are you always
kneeling to him?

>(In case you haven't noticed, I despise Dickinson's
> poetry.

I notice you liked at least some Ginsberg, though, until ~PJ~ told you
not to; then you began calling him a pedophile, too. Which, of course,
is what's next for Ferlinghetti, right?

> In college, if I required to write about Dickinson, I
> invariably received a poor grade)
>

Lots of people don't like Dickinson. Perhaps 10% or less of what she
wrote was worth publishing (same as any almost any other poet) - if
her heirs had limited themselves to publishing that 10% or less, she'd
probably have a much better reputation. Unfortunately, for reasons of
historical accident, her every word has been published, and the good
stuff is consequently hard to find. But that's not her fault, and it
doesn't mean the good stuff doesn't exist.

> So, do you dislike Pound?
>

> Discuss

Pound is someone who could have benefitted from the "10% or less" rule
even more than Dickinson. In his case, though, it was his fault, as he
wasn't dead at the time.

[Corey]

Mirror mirror on the wall,
Desperate grasping. Will sees straws!
Poor pathetic PJR,
sees how many straws there are
But cannot reach. His speech impaired,
He cannot fill Will in, but cares
Just enough to stuff his straw
Into Will's now gaping maw.

[Will Dockery]

Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfXtuSwiDkE&feature=share&noredirect=1

>
> Lawrence Ferlinghetti - Baseball Canto

Back on topic, this is an excellent poem from the master poet Lawrence
Ferlinghetti.

Thanks for finding it, Fred.

--
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https://www.facebook.com/#!/events/347783368616990/

[Corey]

On Apr 14, 9:27 am, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Corey wrote:
>
> > I asked you,
> > specifically and directly.
>
> Okay, my honest answer is that I don't *know* what I would do, since I
> don't have a "problem" like that and don't expect to.
>
> But if I did, I guess I might do some research and see what others
> that have been in a situation similar to what you describe did, which
> may have been why I used Ron Paul's example, since he's currently
> having similar problems.
>
> Or maybe I'd check into what, say, Paul McCartney did when Charles
> Manson took "Helter Skelter" and ran with it.

Manson never ran. Still doesn't. Manson ain't no runner. If he was,
well, if a frog had wings, you know?

[Will Dockery]

Corey <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > Or maybe I'd check into what, say, Paul McCartney did when Charles
> > Manson took "Helter Skelter" and ran with it.
>
> Manson never ran. Still doesn't. Manson ain't no runner. If he was,
> well, if a frog had wings, you know?

I never knew that Manson didn't run... I guess running would be
difficult under all that hair & beard, though.

[Corey]

When you hear "Helter Skelter" do you hear music or massacre? I hear
music.

[Will Dockery]

Corey wrote:
>
> When you hear "Helter Skelter" do you hear music or massacre? I hear
> music.

I always, always hear Paul McCartney and his story... slim as it is.

[Hieronymous 707]

On Apr 30, 7:49 am, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Corey wrote:
>
> > When you hear "Helter Skelter" do you hear music or massacre? I hear
> > music.
>
> I always, always hear Paul McCartney and his story... slim as it is.

Slim story, fat sound, whatever you want to call it, the good News, as
they say, is that the heart of rock and roll is still beating, and
from what I've seen I believe 'em. Now, the old boy may be barely
breathing, but the heart of rock and roll, THE heart of rock and roll
is still beating. Remember Baby Huey? Now THAT was one lovable
fucking duckling. LOL.

New York, New York! Is it everything they say?

[Will Dockery]

On Apr 30, 9:03 am, Hieronymous 707 <hirunnymouse...@gmail.com> wrote:

Have fun... I'll be working, putting a rock show together on May 5th.

[Hieronymous 707]

LOL, mad coincidence. I just got an email from one of the guys who's
putting Bonnaroo together. Great news, Maasson's got a paid
photography gig, and a great party to go to! Dad's still got a few
connections. LOL.

[Will Dockery]

Hieronymous 707 <hirunnymouse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Will Dockery  wrote:
>> Corey wrote:
>
> > > > > When you hear "Helter Skelter" do you hear music or massacre? I hear
> > > > > music.
>
> > > > I always, always hear Paul McCartney and his story... slim as it is.
>
> > > Slim story, fat sound, whatever you want to call it, the good News, as
> > > they say, is that the heart of rock and roll is still beating, and
> > > from what I've seen I believe 'em. Now, the old boy may be barely
> > > breathing, but the heart of rock and roll, THE heart of rock and roll
> > > is still beating.  Remember Baby Huey? Now THAT was one lovable
> > > fucking duckling. LOL.
>
> > > New York, New York! Is it everything they say?
>
> > Have fun... I'll be working, putting a rock show together on May 5th.
>
> LOL, mad coincidence. I just got an email from one of the guys who's
> putting Bonnaroo together. Great news, Maasson's got a paid
> photography gig, and a great party to go to! Dad's still got a few
> connections. LOL.

Congratulations to Maasson!

[Hieronymous 707]

Yeah, whatever. You don't even know him, Will. I got him the gig
through people I know.

[Will Dockery]

Hieronymous 707 <hirunnymouse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I got him the gig
> through people I know.

Yeah I kinda figured that.

[Hieronymous 707]

Really? It's so hard to tell what you kinda figured sometimes. LOL.

[Will Dockery]

On May 1, 7:11 am, Hieronymous 707 <hirunnymouse...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On May 1, 5:59 am, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Hieronymous 707 <hirunnymouse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I got him the gig
> > > through people I know.
>
> > Yeah I kinda figured that.
>

> Really? It's so hard to tell what you kinda figured sometimes. LOL.

Well you wrote it so I kinda figured it was true.

[Hieronymous 707]

You gave no indication of having any such understanding. So, what?
Just because I'm psychic I'm supposed to read your stupid fucking mind
all the time now? What the fuck is that, huh?

[Will Dockery]

Hieronymous 707 <hirunnymouse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Will Dockery wrote:
>> Hieronymous 707 <hirunnymouse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > I got him the gig
> > > > > through people I know.
>
> > > > Yeah I kinda figured that.
>
> > > Really? It's so hard to tell what you kinda figured sometimes. LOL.
>
> > Well you wrote it so I kinda figured it was true.
>

> You gave no indication of having any such understanding.

Sure I did... I even congratulated the kid.

[Hieronymous 707]

On May 1, 5:48 pm, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hieronymous 707 <hirunnymouse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Will Dockery wrote:
> >> Hieronymous 707 <hirunnymouse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > I got him the gig
> > > > > > through people I know.
>
> > > > > Yeah I kinda figured that.
>
> > > > Really? It's so hard to tell what you kinda figured sometimes. LOL.
>
> > > Well you wrote it so I kinda figured it was true.
>
> > You gave no indication of having any such understanding.
>
> Sure I did... I even congratulated the kid.

Right. Think about that. You congratulated somebody you've never met,
who you only know by name, who doesn't read the group, and who will
never know that you congratulated him, or what you congratulated him
for. Even if I told him, "Will Dockery says congratulations on the
Bonnaroo gig.", he wouldn't understand or appreciate your
congratulations because you have no sense of mutual understanding. He
wouldn't know what you mean. He hasn't done anything to warrant
congratulations from you. It wouldn't make sense to him, and there's
no way I can make you make sense to him if you don't make sense. And
you don't make sense.

[Will Dockery]

Hieronymous 707 <hirunnymouse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Even if I told him, "Will Dockery says congratulations on the
> Bonnaroo gig.", he wouldn't understand or appreciate your
> congratulations

Well never mind, then... consider it striken from the archives.

--
Ashes To Justice / Will Dockery & Sandy Madaris:
http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_11851687

[Hieronymous 707]

LOL. Yeah, right.