FS: ticket to NDT1 at Orange County
NextStage
For sale:
one ticket for NEDERLANDS DANS THEATER 1
Orange County (CA) Performing Arts Center
Sunday, July 28, 1996; 2:00 matinee
3rd row, Orchestra (center!)
$59.00 (face value, no service charge)
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information.
Thanks!
(My apologies, in advance, if this wasn't an appropriate thing to post...)
Danczarina
It is perfectly appropriate to post tickets for sale here.
It may help you to sell if I post the program. (I am going on Aug. 3rd)
NDT1 Programme July 27-28, Aug. 2-3
Program "A" *
Bella Figura (Kylian)
Symphony of Psalms (Kylian)
Start to Finish (Light foot) U.S. Premiere
*(Program "A" contains some nudity)
(...Are you sure you can't attend ??)
***Danczarina***
Danczarina
Greetings my dear Ali:
In response to your question,yes they actually did print :
(Programme A contains some nudity)< I suppose that was just in case some
of the local church ladies wanted to bring their tender, virginal young
grandchildren, then all would be forewarned that the dancers might be
flapping their privates about. ...I know it is rather ridiculous in this
day and age, but remeber the US was founded by the Puritans...
And oh, yes there *is* a programme "B", which is as follows:
Softly As I Leave You (LIghtfoot)
Sweet Dreams (Kylian)
Six Dances )Kylian)
Soldier's Mass(Kylian)
***
BTW, I am attending the Aug 3rd performance with my ballet coach, Tish
Hicks, who knows someone, I do not know who, danced in he Lightfoot
"nudie" piece in Holland.
***Danczarina***
Ali Mahbouba
>Program "A" *
>Bella Figura (Kylian)
>Symphony of Psalms (Kylian)
Oh, Puh-leeeze !! "Contains some nudity" - do they actually say that ?
like a Government Health Warning on a packet of cigarettes ??
And that in a 'Worldly City' like L.A. ? :-)
Er, sorry to disappoint you, but there's only about 15 seconds worth
of 'nudity' right at the end of Paul Lightfoot's wonderful piece - and
frustratingly enough (!!) in subdued lighting, dammit !! :-(
.. Unless of course they've re-worked the piece - and added more !
So it's well worth your while attending to find out ! :-)
BTW - Paul Lightfoot is being tipped by many, including Jiri Kylian,
as a real choreographic talent in the making .. and with a name like
'Lightfoot' - it seems he was born to be a dancer !
There's also a funny story behind the reason for the nudity scene -
which I won't reveal quite yet (.. will do so after you've seen it).
Oh, and Danczarina (fascinated by your vivid review on ABT in LA),
and NextStage and other a.a.b'ers, do please post and tell us what you
think. I'm sometimes far too close to NDT to have an objective view !
Regards from Holland
Ali "writing this in the nude" Mahbouba
PS. is there a program 'B' ?
Lisa Grigg
dancz...@aol.com (Danczarina) wrote:
<snip>
>And oh, yes there *is* a programme "B", which is as follows:
>Softly As I Leave You (LIghtfoot)
>Sweet Dreams (Kylian)
>Six Dances )Kylian)
>Soldier's Mass(Kylian)
>BTW, I am attending the Aug 3rd performance with my ballet coach, Tish
>Hicks, who knows someone, I do not know who, danced in he Lightfoot
>"nudie" piece in Holland.
>***Danczarina***
It's been some years since I saw it, but "Soldier's Mass" still
carries a big impression in my dance memory--very moving. Beautiful
music by (I think) Bohuslav Martinu. The ballet was inspired by the
true story (like so many others, I'm afraid) of a bunch of young
soldiers sent into a hopeless battle situation, all of whom (I think)
ended up dead. The first time I saw it, the cast was all male
dancers, then later some females were included, which made it more
poignant for me. Perhaps a 'nudie' warning must be given for this
piece also, as the soldiers eventually remove their shirts. Now, why
in the world should that seem so much more shocking when a woman does
it than when a man does? Apparently, to some audiences, that is still
the case. Our society is weird, no?
Laura C.C.
Notdeby
In article <4tat0p$r...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, svke...@aol.com (SVKeeley)
writes:
> Naked females can
>often be interesting, but naked men are gross in any venue! :-)
What about those of us who are rather fond of naked men, but wish Demi
Moore would keep her maracas (and various other parts) to herself ") ?
NotDeby
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SVKeeley
In article <4t5lpj$r...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, dancz...@aol.com
(Danczarina) writes:
>In response to your question,yes they actually did print :
>(Programme A contains some nudity)< I suppose that was just in case some
>of the local church ladies wanted to bring their tender, virginal young
>grandchildren, then all would be forewarned that the dancers might be
>flapping their privates about. ...I know it is rather ridiculous in this
>day and age, but remeber the US was founded by the Puritans...
There are two ways of looking at the nudity warning:
1. It's a valid warning to some of us that this is a work we are not
interested in seeing. I'm not neccessarily a prude, and can enjoy a nice
shot of Demi Moore's superstructure in films, but I do NOT want to see
nudity in a dance performance. I think it's cheap and tacky, and
indicates to me a choreographer with a sensibility I'm no longer
interested in. It's easy enough to suggest nudity with flesh-colored
leotards without resorting to the vulgarity of actual nudity. One does
not have to be a "church lady" or a "Puritan" to object to nudity in
dance; one only needs to be approaching dance with an aethectic idea that
is antithetical to the display of genitals. C'mon, folks, we did this to
death in the 60's and 70's, and while it was fun then, most of us have
outgrown it and find it boring. If that's your cup of tea, there are
plenty of topless bars and road companies of "Oh, Calcutta!" around. And
even if this IS your cup of tea, you may not want to bring your children
to it.
2. It can also serve as a sort of back-handed advertising. There are
people who might have otherwise not bothered, but will want to see this
work if it promises some live nudity. Fine and dandy; have a ball, but
please excuse me if I'd rather stay home and watch a video of "Swan Lake."
And Ali, if you're going to be posting in the nude again, I, for one,
would appreciate a notice at the beginning of the post. Naked females can
often be interesting, but naked men are gross in any venue! :-)
___________________________________
Steve "Yo! Shake it, Demi" Keeley
SVKe...@aol.com
Amy Reusch
> It's a valid warning to some of us that this is a work we are not
>interested in seeing. I'm not neccessarily a prude, and can enjoy a nice
>shot of Demi Moore's superstructure in films, but I do NOT want to see
>nudity in a dance performance. I think it's cheap and tacky, and
>indicates to me a choreographer with a sensibility I'm no longer
>interested in. It's easy enough to suggest nudity with flesh-colored
>leotards without resorting to the vulgarity of actual nudity.
I disagree. Although there certainly are times when nudity is a gimmick
attention-grabber, there are also times when there is a certain truth
communicated by the naked body that isn't there with flesh-colored
leotards. I usually think flesh-colored leotards are a cop-out, but also
realize that for some choreography they are necessary unless the
choreographer is willing for the audience's focus to change from the
movement to certain exposed parts of the body. Weren't there some
wonderful posts about this last year... about Margot Fonteyn & there being
certain parts of a man's body that simply can't be choreographed? Or was
it that they'd always be off the music... Anyone save that?
~ Amy
miki casalino
At 12:43 AM 07/29/96 -0300, you wrote:
>>X-Original-Poster: svke...@aol.com (SVKeeley)
>
>>And Ali, if you're going to be posting in the nude again, I, for one,
>>would appreciate a notice at the beginning of the post. Naked females can
>>often be interesting, but naked men are gross in any venue! :-)
>>___________________________________
>>Steve "Yo! Shake it, Demi" Keeley
>>SVKe...@aol.com
>>
>
Moore...
>
>Paola
>
>* WE stands for female aabers.
>
Yeah, why not naked men, if they have good bodies... I wouldn't say a naked
man is gross in any venue. Ladies what do you think, if men like naked
ladies, why can't we like naked men?
MIKI
>
Lisa Grigg
miki casalino <mi...@aros.net> wrote:
>MIKI
Personally, I like, admire and appreciate naked women _and_ men (in
their proper contexts, of course. And what might those proper
contexts be? I know them when I see them).
Laura C.C.
Sandi Kurtz
The gist of the quote (by Margot Fonteyn) is that an audience watching a
nude man dance will always be looking at the one part of the body that will
always be behind the music.
sandi kurtz
MarinoVan
If Ali is going to post naked again, I'd like some forewarning too so I
can be sure to be around.
So Ali, do you shave your body or are you naturally that soft and smooth?
And when is Steve going to post nude? The rest of us are sitting here in
our birthday suits. C'mon Steve, you'll love the freedom it gives your
fingers ;)
SVKeeley
In article <4tofcr$8...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, mari...@aol.com
(MarinoVan) writes:
>And when is Steve going to post nude?
Humph! Wanton hussy!
Mindful of the LADIES present on this group, I shall continue to maintain
proper and respectful attire while both posting and reading messages. (If
you knew what kind of a body I have, you'd thank me.)
>The rest of us are sitting here in
>our birthday suits. C'mon Steve, you'll love the freedom it gives your
>fingers ;)
They'd more likely become distracted.
________________________________________________________________
Steve "stubbornly maintaining standards of decorum in a debased world"
Keeley
SVKe...@aol.com
Ali Mahbouba
On 31 July, (mari...@aol.com) Vanessa in her birthday suit wrote:
>If Ali is going to post naked again, I'd like some forewarning too so I
>can be sure to be around.
>So Ali, do you shave your body or are you naturally that soft and smooth?
>And when is Steve going to post nude? The rest of us are sitting here in
>our birthday suits. C'mon Steve, you'll love the freedom it gives your
>fingers ;)
I don't really know many arabians who're not hairy !
(even our womenfolk ! hope my sister-in-law doesn't see this ;-)
.. ooh dear .. I don't think we'd better continue this thread much
longer, else those with 'delicate sensibilities' (read Steve ;-)
might start complaining terribly ...
Ali "putting his clothes on again" Mahbouba
Ali Mahbouba
Whilst on the subject of nudity ...
Did you know that the first 'Nudie Ballet' ever was produced in 1970
by our Nederlands Dans Theater ? "Mutations" was jointly choreographed
by Hans van Manen and Glen Tetley, and had several Pas de Deux danced
completely in the nude (by Gerard Lemaitre and Anja Lichter).
"Mutations" became a world-wide hit, and like the rock-musicals "Hair"
and "Oh! Calcutta", it made head-line news wherever it went.
In London, some Victorian Britons threw glass splinters on stage to
stop the dancers !!
In the States, in St. Louis, NDT received a threat letter: "The first
naked dancer on stage gets shot". The theatre was full of police -
but luckily there was no incident. Other letters were received:
"Dutch pigs go home".
I would love to hear from anyone who'd seen it then ...
Regards,
Ali "fully decent and respectable again" Mahbouba
Sandi Kurtz
Actaully, I think it would be more like a musical round (everything in
the same meter and tempo, but each body part starts the phrase in sequence)
sandi kurtz
On 1 Aug 1996, Bang2B wrote:
> I find flesh colored unitards far more freaky and prurient than nudity.
> As for Margot Fonteyn's quote, if the dancer is on the music and his dick
> is behind it, what's wrong with a little polyrhythmic intrigue?
> David
>
>
Amy Reusch
In article <4tpj9g$p...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, ban...@aol.com (Bang2B)
writes:
>I find flesh colored unitards far more freaky and prurient than nudity.
>As for Margot Fonteyn's quote, if the dancer is on the music and his dick
>is behind it, what's wrong with a little polyrhythmic intrigue?
>David
>
>
Speaking of Margot, anyone catch the documentary on her last night on
Bravo? I can't say I thought Ashton came off very well on it. The film of
her dancing Giselle with Nureyev was beautiful... sometimes it's difficult
to watch films of earlier generations and not get hung up on how technique
has evolved over the years, and I found many of her films suffered... but
in the Giselle footage, her arms & upper body were so beautiful and the
way she used them to enhance the effect of floating the lifts... She was
so charming in her narration, particuarly when she'd drop a bombshell and
then immediatly say "Anyway" and change the subject... e.g. when she was
talking about her husband as ambassador of Panama she mentions that he
thought there should be a revolution in his country, anyway.... and when
she spoke to the NY reporters after having been jailed in Panama saying
something like "What is it you want me to say? Why don't you just tell me
what you want to me to say? Instead of just fishing around this way.. Just
tell me what it is, and I'll decide whether or not I want to say it!"
The early footage of Nureyev was wonderful too... perhaps I'm out of
line, but watching that energy and attack, I wished I had seen him do
Balanchine.... Rubies, maybe?
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Leigh Witchel
In article <320212...@ix.netcom.com>, <sho...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> I find flesh colored unitards far more freaky and prurient than nudity.
>
"In two weeks at the Brooklyn Academy of Music, American Ballet Theatre
presented four premieres it would have done better to lose on the road.
About the worst of these (though in some ways my favorite) was Michael
Smuin's "The Eternal Idol - A Tribute to Rodin" which set body-beautiful
poses for Cynthia Gregory and Ivan Nagy to sacreligiously inappropriate
music by Chopin when, with any justice, it could have had tom-toms.
Both dancers, shyly draped, took three terrific curtain calls in alternate
tableaux on a rock. I don't know how they order these things in Las
Vegas, but Ballet Theatre plainly hasn't got the touch. No gilt body
paint, no blue spotlight. No justice."
Arlene Croce - After Images p.280 (Dec. '69)
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sho...@ix.netcom.com
> I find flesh colored unitards far more freaky and prurient than nudity.
The Rodin couple in Michael Smuin's "Eternal Idol" for an instance?
A picture of this from Smuin Ballets/SF 1995 performance may be seen at
http://pages.prodigy.com/shomler/9510218.jpg
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Vanessa
Of course I'll be called a prude, but don't think _any_ nudity is
nessecary. I find it vulgar for dancers to strip down for the name of
art. All my morals tell me this is wrong. They should keep their
shirts on and choreographers can think of something else, hopefully more
tasteful, to choreograph.
Christin
plai...@pipeline.com
I don't mind, but sometimes the choreographer seems to have dancers wasting
energy taking off and putting on clothes that could have been expended
dancing. If dancers are going to be nude there should appear to be a
reason or special beauty to it--or an assumption that nudeness is our
natural state and thereby doesn't have to be dimly lit or arbitrarily
momentary. Of course good costumes add a lot to dance--if nudity is used,
it should do so, too. --Lobellia
Gregory Shenaut
plai...@pipeline.com wrote:
: In article <32050D...@southwind.net>, Vanessa writes:
:
: I find it vulgar for dancers to strip down for the name of art.
: >Christin
:
: If dancers are going to be nude there should appear to be a
: reason or special beauty to it--or an assumption that nudeness is our
: natural state and thereby doesn't have to be dimly lit or arbitrarily
: momentary. Of course good costumes add a lot to dance--if nudity is used,
: it should do so, too. --Lobellia
A bit of bare-chestedness which I found quite effective
was the rainforest-dwelling father/mother/daughter group in
the Royal Ballet's Still Life at the Penguin Cafe--this was embedded
in an otherwise elaborately and innovatedly costumed production.
(My favorite is the Humboldt's Hog-Nosed Skunk Flea.)
-Greg
--
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Kim Nutter
> X-Original-Poster: Vanessa <jc...@southwind.net>
>
> Of course I'll be called a prude, but don't think _any_ nudity is
> nessecary. I find it vulgar for dancers to strip down for the name of
> art. All my morals tell me this is wrong. They should keep their
> shirts on and choreographers can think of something else, hopefully more
> tasteful, to choreograph.
>
> Christin
No, I don't think anyone will call you a prude. Everyone has their own
ideas about what is moral to them, comfortable to them, etc, and that's
okay. I actually think I'm kinda prudish when it comes to a lot of
things (jokes, certain scenes in movies, etc), but don't sweat it
because I'm comfortable with my thoughts on the subjects, and that's
fine for *me*.
So the fact that you find nudity in dance vulgar is fine - for you.
However, remember that this world consists of many cultures and
influences. Personally, I find it amoral that our society condones
breast feeding in public. How much more "natural" can one be?
I use this example because it is just one instance of where a set of
people's own morals are imposed on other group's in a way that limits
the other group from doing something that shouldn't necessarily be
a "bad" thing.
On another note, I know members of a company based in New York that
rehearse in dance belts only (men & women) because they are
*comfortable* that way! (I've also seen them perform in such, and
their works are absolutely incredible, but my point was that they
are *not* uncomfortable working in the nude.)
Just my $0.02 ...
- kim
Margaret Radcliffe
Kim wrote:
>So the fact that you find nudity in dance vulgar is fine - for you.
>However, remember that this world consists of many cultures and
>influences. Personally, I find it amoral that our society condones
>breast feeding in public. How much more "natural" can one be?
>I use this example because it is just one instance of where a set of
>people's own morals are imposed on other group's in a way that limits
>the other group from doing something that shouldn't necessarily be
>a "bad" thing.
I'm a little confused. Did you mean to say our society "condones" or
"condemns" public breastfeeding? If "condones" was what you meant to say,
then how does a person breastfeeding in public limit the actions of other
people?
Margaret - mr...@vt.edu
I'm not confused, I'm just keeping my options open!
Kim Nutter
Thanks Margaret.
- kim
Tom
Kim Nutter (knu...@unison.com) wrote:
: On another note, I know members of a company based in New York that
: rehearse in dance belts only (men & women) because they are
: *comfortable* that way!
Where? *Where?* WHERE? Enquiring minds want to know!
Tom Parsons
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VHugoLuvU2
Reading the heading I'd never know this thread was about nudity in Dance?
Somehow I think nudity in ballet is not appropriate generally but in
modern its ok? Why is that?
Michael J Johnson
>Of course I'll be called a prude, but don't think _any_ nudity is
>nessecary. I find it vulgar for dancers to strip down for the name of
>art. All my morals tell me this is wrong. They should keep their
>shirts on and choreographers can think of something else, hopefully more
>tasteful, to choreograph.
>
>Christin
Even more amazing than a prudish attitude is the fact that people were
walking out of the performance upon seeing (gasp) nudity, even though
there was ample warning given in the program. They ended up missing some
of the best work to be seen in LA this year.
--
--Michael