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  <title type="text">alt.architecture Google Group</title>
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  Building design/construction and related topics.
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  <updated>2008-07-25T15:59:02Z</updated>
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Ken S. Tucker</name>
  <email>dynam...@vianet.on.ca</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-07-25T15:59:02Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.architecture/browse_thread/thread/27aa27448ca7233c/920588ae5f5c9b31?show_docid=920588ae5f5c9b31</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/alt.architecture/browse_thread/thread/27aa27448ca7233c/920588ae5f5c9b31?show_docid=920588ae5f5c9b31"/>
  <title type="text">Re: What a screw-up.</title>
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  The BIG OWE is pretty much &amp;quot;condemned&amp;quot;, and by any &lt;br&gt; conventional - non-political - standard it would be, rendering &lt;br&gt; the issue NOT hypopthetical. &lt;br&gt; I&#39;m curious about &amp;quot;craddle to grave&amp;quot; architecture, if archies &lt;br&gt; consider a buildings useful lifespan. In Las Vegas seems &lt;br&gt; them guys are dropping building every few years and putting
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  <author>
  <email>noragrac...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-07-25T11:20:07Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.architecture/browse_thread/thread/1b0c690795a4daf6/def1b13e9d7697c3?show_docid=def1b13e9d7697c3</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/alt.architecture/browse_thread/thread/1b0c690795a4daf6/def1b13e9d7697c3?show_docid=def1b13e9d7697c3"/>
  <title type="text">Amateurs web camchat</title>
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  Amateurs web camchat &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://tubepenthouse.servik.com/view_cam.htm&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt;
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>RicodJour</name>
  <email>ricodj...@worldemail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-07-25T04:28:33Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.architecture/browse_thread/thread/27aa27448ca7233c/bf5ed2ab5d4bd826?show_docid=bf5ed2ab5d4bd826</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/alt.architecture/browse_thread/thread/27aa27448ca7233c/bf5ed2ab5d4bd826?show_docid=bf5ed2ab5d4bd826"/>
  <title type="text">Re: What a screw-up.</title>
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  I don&#39;t whine, whinge maybe, but never whine. And it&#39;s not about off- &lt;br&gt; topic stuff. It&#39;s about proselytizing zealots. Can&#39;t quite recall if &lt;br&gt; it was you or Kris that had issues with those sort of people as well. &lt;br&gt; I don&#39;t have a problem with you disagreeing with me, but I don&#39;t see &lt;br&gt; where the knowledge is coming into play. I also don&#39;t see that it is
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  <author>
  <email>hpeeet...@gmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2008-07-24T22:03:49Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.architecture/browse_thread/thread/8c3d52c48d215503/6307ca13f0d5e4ad?show_docid=6307ca13f0d5e4ad</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/alt.architecture/browse_thread/thread/8c3d52c48d215503/6307ca13f0d5e4ad?show_docid=6307ca13f0d5e4ad"/>
  <title type="text">Online Stock Trading Investing Day Trading</title>
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  Online Stock Trading Investing Day Trading &lt;br&gt; ================ &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://dayonlinetrading.blogspot.com&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt; ========
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Ken S. Tucker</name>
  <email>dynam...@vianet.on.ca</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-07-24T21:17:30Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.architecture/browse_thread/thread/27aa27448ca7233c/98ac58aaf82d8bb2?show_docid=98ac58aaf82d8bb2</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/alt.architecture/browse_thread/thread/27aa27448ca7233c/98ac58aaf82d8bb2?show_docid=98ac58aaf82d8bb2"/>
  <title type="text">Re: What a screw-up.</title>
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  Ahh, back to bamboo. &lt;br&gt; It&#39;s topical. &lt;br&gt; Jeesh, you whine about off-topic stuff, then whine when &lt;br&gt; someone uses knowledge to disagree with your opinion. &lt;br&gt; I&#39;m a damn good architect, I preplan my buildings to be &lt;br&gt; mobile, that way the site plan is adjustable, 1 hr and $100 &lt;br&gt; can roll my shack 200&#39; to the other end of the lot.
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  <author>
  <name>gerardmassip@yahoo.fr</name>
  <email>gerard93...@gmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2008-07-24T10:00:36Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.architecture/browse_thread/thread/b5cb6eb4140d78b9/bbfcd449120053c5?show_docid=bbfcd449120053c5</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/alt.architecture/browse_thread/thread/b5cb6eb4140d78b9/bbfcd449120053c5?show_docid=bbfcd449120053c5"/>
  <title type="text">Projet énorme dans le secteur gare de l&#39;Est / gare du Nord</title>
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  Bonjour &lt;br&gt; fu2 fr.misc.transport.urbain &lt;br&gt; Je copie/colle la totalité du mail, entre autres pour faire connaître &lt;br&gt; la liste de discussion dix-cute, à laquelle je participe, et qui &lt;br&gt; déborde largement du dixième arrondissement, avec des discussions &lt;br&gt; intéressantes sur l&#39;urbanisme, la politique, etc ... &lt;br&gt; vu sur le site de Alain Lhostis
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>RicodJour</name>
  <email>ricodj...@worldemail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-07-24T02:53:36Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.architecture/browse_thread/thread/1d73967c311db99d/53b56522ee13bda3?show_docid=53b56522ee13bda3</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/alt.architecture/browse_thread/thread/1d73967c311db99d/53b56522ee13bda3?show_docid=53b56522ee13bda3"/>
  <title type="text">Re: When was Autodesk R11 released?</title>
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  On Jul 23, 10:12 pm, &amp;quot;Screen Barret&amp;quot; &amp;lt;ScreenBarret)o...@aol.com&amp;gt; &lt;br&gt; wrote: &lt;br&gt; C&#39;est juste un nom d&#39;écran. Je ne suis pas français et ne pas lire ou &lt;br&gt; écrire le français. &lt;br&gt; Mercy bouquet. &lt;br&gt; R
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Screen Barret</name>
  <email></email>
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  <updated>2008-07-24T02:12:38Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.architecture/browse_thread/thread/1d73967c311db99d/25167b2daff40251?show_docid=25167b2daff40251</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/alt.architecture/browse_thread/thread/1d73967c311db99d/25167b2daff40251?show_docid=25167b2daff40251"/>
  <title type="text">Re: When was Autodesk R11 released?</title>
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  Votre nom c&#39;est un nom francais. C&#39;est rare ce nom.
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Screen Barret</name>
  <email></email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-07-24T02:11:40Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.architecture/browse_thread/thread/1d73967c311db99d/c15ccecf9823deca?show_docid=c15ccecf9823deca</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/alt.architecture/browse_thread/thread/1d73967c311db99d/c15ccecf9823deca?show_docid=c15ccecf9823deca"/>
  <title type="text">Re: When was Autodesk R11 released?</title>
  <summary type="html" xml:space="preserve">
  &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autocad#Version_history&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br&gt; R &lt;br&gt; Thank you, I asked the wrong question, I was looking for Autodesk Inventor R11, which is in 2006 not 1990 as other Autodesk. &lt;br&gt; Thanks for a lead. &lt;br&gt; For the first several releases Autodesk Inventor was developed with a code name taken from a popular vehicle. Starting with R11 all releases are codenamed with the name of a famous inventor or scientist. Below is the release history (with codenames) of the Inventor product:
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  <author>
  <name>RicodJour</name>
  <email>ricodj...@worldemail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-07-23T21:47:27Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.architecture/browse_thread/thread/1d73967c311db99d/6051599a6211743b?show_docid=6051599a6211743b</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/alt.architecture/browse_thread/thread/1d73967c311db99d/6051599a6211743b?show_docid=6051599a6211743b"/>
  <title type="text">Re: When was Autodesk R11 released?</title>
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  &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autocad#Version_history&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br&gt; R
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Screen Barret</name>
  <email></email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-07-23T20:48:51Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.architecture/browse_thread/thread/1d73967c311db99d/15b6370d6b9ba6e2?show_docid=15b6370d6b9ba6e2</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/alt.architecture/browse_thread/thread/1d73967c311db99d/15b6370d6b9ba6e2?show_docid=15b6370d6b9ba6e2"/>
  <title type="text">When was Autodesk R11 released?</title>
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  the year. &lt;br&gt; Thanks,
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>fusion</name>
  <email>practicalfus...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-07-23T20:23:14Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.architecture/browse_thread/thread/69fc7655d4900ee9/b5c3a9850f16ad0e?show_docid=b5c3a9850f16ad0e</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/alt.architecture/browse_thread/thread/69fc7655d4900ee9/b5c3a9850f16ad0e?show_docid=b5c3a9850f16ad0e"/>
  <title type="text">Pickens plan is good, but first we got to save Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac from the thiefs</title>
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  Pickens plan is right, but first we got to stop this theft so that we &lt;br&gt; can have assets to build more homes and a viable economy : &lt;br&gt; Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are worth 5 trillion dollars long &lt;br&gt; term ,the &lt;br&gt; fight in Congres about them is about control of the assets in them, &lt;br&gt; the neocons are trying to grab it, study the issue and do your own
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>RicodJour</name>
  <email>ricodj...@worldemail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-07-22T20:09:37Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.architecture/browse_thread/thread/27aa27448ca7233c/64bb371240e7d4fe?show_docid=64bb371240e7d4fe</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/alt.architecture/browse_thread/thread/27aa27448ca7233c/64bb371240e7d4fe?show_docid=64bb371240e7d4fe"/>
  <title type="text">Re: What a screw-up.</title>
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  And who are the best at anticipating problems in demolition? The guy &lt;br&gt; with a pocket protector or the guy who stands to make or lose millions &lt;br&gt; and whose guys&#39; lives are on the line? &lt;br&gt; You&#39;ve never heard of a climbing scaffold? It&#39;s great that you can &lt;br&gt; see problems. It would be greater still if you could see there are
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Kris Krieger</name>
  <email>m...@dowmuff.in</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-07-22T19:53:53Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.architecture/browse_thread/thread/6dad6696b45d2852/7b7e7946621b4c64?show_docid=7b7e7946621b4c64</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/alt.architecture/browse_thread/thread/6dad6696b45d2852/7b7e7946621b4c64?show_docid=7b7e7946621b4c64"/>
  <title type="text">Re: The Ghost of Brown County</title>
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  &amp;quot;Ken S. Tucker&amp;quot; &amp;lt;dynam...@vianet.on.ca&amp;gt; wrote in &lt;br&gt; Now that&#39;s a topic. Some of them are really wild. I can&#39;t imagine the &lt;br&gt; cost. &lt;br&gt; Also becasue IMO, most of it is being [paid for by US taxpayers, thanks &lt;br&gt; to Duh-byuh =:-% &lt;br&gt; But I digress...
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Kris Krieger</name>
  <email>m...@dowmuff.in</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-07-22T19:50:05Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.architecture/browse_thread/thread/6dad6696b45d2852/f9f410defd524ae1?show_docid=f9f410defd524ae1</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/alt.architecture/browse_thread/thread/6dad6696b45d2852/f9f410defd524ae1?show_docid=f9f410defd524ae1"/>
  <title type="text">Re: The Ghost of Brown County</title>
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  RicodJour &amp;lt;ricodj...@worldemail.com&amp;gt; wrote in &lt;br&gt; Well, ideally, I&#39;d of course like to read things related to architecture &lt;br&gt; - materials, design, and so on ;) It&#39;s just a curious phenomenon, that &lt;br&gt; there hasn&#39;t been much arch-related discussion, or even *vaguely* arch- &lt;br&gt; part of many of the criticisms seemed to be that Don was somehow &amp;quot;taking
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