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Dave Symes
Jan 23, 2013, 1:35:01 AM1/23/13
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Can anyone please point me at an Android (Tablet) Mail Client app they are
using successfully.
I've tried a couple so far, but after Pluto, everything I've tried seems
to be inadequate.
Thanks
Dave
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Dave Triffid
using successfully.
I've tried a couple so far, but after Pluto, everything I've tried seems
to be inadequate.
Thanks
Dave
--
Dave Triffid
Richard Travers
Jan 23, 2013, 5:57:00 AM1/23/13
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In article <5312693...@triffid.co.uk>,
sending mails. It syncs with what is on the server and leaves incoming mail
on the server, unless you want it deleted. I have it set up to delete on the
server only when I delete from the mail client (this allows me to get rid of
the junk before the next stage).
As for sorting, filing etc, I use Pluto for that on my desktop machine. This
is quicker than formerly because I will have read the mails and got rid of
the junk.
Doesn't answer your question, I know, but it works for me.
R.
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rich...@uwclub.net
Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> Can anyone please point me at an Android (Tablet) Mail Client app they are
> using successfully.
> I've tried a couple so far, but after Pluto, everything I've tried seems
> to be inadequate.
Personally, I just use the one that came with the tablet for reading and
> Can anyone please point me at an Android (Tablet) Mail Client app they are
> using successfully.
> I've tried a couple so far, but after Pluto, everything I've tried seems
> to be inadequate.
sending mails. It syncs with what is on the server and leaves incoming mail
on the server, unless you want it deleted. I have it set up to delete on the
server only when I delete from the mail client (this allows me to get rid of
the junk before the next stage).
As for sorting, filing etc, I use Pluto for that on my desktop machine. This
is quicker than formerly because I will have read the mails and got rid of
the junk.
Doesn't answer your question, I know, but it works for me.
R.
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Richard Travers
rich...@uwclub.net
patric aristide
Jan 24, 2013, 6:17:33 AM1/24/13
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Works fine on my 10" tablet too, whereas most others seemed to be optimised
for phones (and it allows proper quoting style). It doesn't seem to support
threaded lists yet but I can live with that.
Patric
Dave Symes
Jan 25, 2013, 3:48:12 PM1/25/13
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In article <slrn3vfskg2...@odin.sdf-eu.org>,
I did try AquaMail (Free version) and I set the POP incoming page okay,
but nothing I could do would get the smtp age setup to work.
Dave
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Dave Triffid
but nothing I could do would get the smtp age setup to work.
Dave
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patric aristide
Jan 26, 2013, 5:44:45 AM1/26/13
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On 2013-01-25, Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <slrn3vfskg2...@odin.sdf-eu.org>,
> patric aristide <ti...@sdf-eu.org> wrote:
>> On 2013-01-23, Richard Travers <rich...@uwclub.net> wrote:
> In article <slrn3vfskg2...@odin.sdf-eu.org>,
> patric aristide <ti...@sdf-eu.org> wrote:
>> On 2013-01-23, Richard Travers <rich...@uwclub.net> wrote:
>> Looked at several and finally settled for AquaMail Pro. Quite happy with
>> it. Works fine on my 10" tablet too, whereas most others seemed to be
>> optimised for phones (and it allows proper quoting style). It doesn't
>> seem to support threaded lists yet but I can live with that.
>
>> Patric
>
> I did try AquaMail (Free version) and I set the POP incoming page okay,
> but nothing I could do would get the smtp age setup to work.
>
You could contact the developer, found him very responsive and
>> it. Works fine on my 10" tablet too, whereas most others seemed to be
>> optimised for phones (and it allows proper quoting style). It doesn't
>> seem to support threaded lists yet but I can live with that.
>
>> Patric
>
> I did try AquaMail (Free version) and I set the POP incoming page okay,
> but nothing I could do would get the smtp age setup to work.
>
helpful. My account settings were auto detected IIRC.
No outgoing server (unticked obviously)
SMTP server: mail.service.net
Server port 465 Security type: SSL (strict check)
Authorization: choose automatically
Login: user name
Password: mypassw
perhaps something with invalid certificates?
Patric
Tim Hill
Jan 26, 2013, 6:54:39 AM1/26/13
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> Can anyone please point me at an Android (Tablet) Mail Client app they
> are using successfully.
On ICS I am using both the resident email client and gmail. I had to
> are using successfully.
configure the email client manually and it worked once I had checked a
few settings on my ISP's website. I wouldn't personally use them for
mailing lists because I would miss threading and (e.g.) the integration
with usenet which Pluto affords. I use distinct addresses for each: they
began as a useful way to move files around.
They are quite useable and it is VERY useful to access gmail on three
devices: tablet, phone and desktop but you do need to stay on top of your
inbox or they grow like topsy. ;-)
> I've tried a couple so far, but after Pluto, everything I've tried
> seems to be inadequate.
I am convinced this is one reason email has never really caught on in the
way that it should have in the Big Wide World. I have often thought it is
one type of software which has never attracted the Killer App. When it
arrives on iOS one day, all those companies who don't accept email will
find themselves left in the cold like so many other failing companies
today let down by their web presence and unfair competition from
non-taxpayers and VAT cheats. In the meantime, Pluto offers us a way to
manipulate 'Articles' in ways lusers and iFans don't even dream about.
The free (assuming you wanted 'free') email reading software seems pretty
basic on Android, often no better than good web mail.
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Dave Symes
Jan 26, 2013, 7:15:02 AM1/26/13
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In article <slrn3vfskg7...@odin.sdf-eu.org>,
[Snippy]
> >
> > I did try AquaMail (Free version) and I set the POP incoming page okay,
> > but nothing I could do would get the smtp age setup to work.
> >
> You could contact the developer, found him very responsive and
> helpful. My account settings were auto detected IIRC.
> No outgoing server (unticked obviously)
> SMTP server: mail.service.net
> Server port 465 Security type: SSL (strict check)
> Authorization: choose automatically
> Login: user name
> Password: mypassw
> perhaps something with invalid certificates?
> Patric
Weird business... But thanks for the input. :-)
My setting are the same as yours, and the settings obviously work
elsewhere...
Like with the supplied mail app on the tablet.
Error is:
Outgoing mail server (SMTP): Network error.
Ah well! When I get some time later I'll have another play.
Dave
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Dave Triffid
[Snippy]
> >
> > I did try AquaMail (Free version) and I set the POP incoming page okay,
> > but nothing I could do would get the smtp age setup to work.
> >
> You could contact the developer, found him very responsive and
> helpful. My account settings were auto detected IIRC.
> No outgoing server (unticked obviously)
> SMTP server: mail.service.net
> Server port 465 Security type: SSL (strict check)
> Authorization: choose automatically
> Login: user name
> Password: mypassw
> perhaps something with invalid certificates?
> Patric
My setting are the same as yours, and the settings obviously work
elsewhere...
Like with the supplied mail app on the tablet.
Error is:
Outgoing mail server (SMTP): Network error.
Ah well! When I get some time later I'll have another play.
Dave
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Dave Triffid
Dave Symes
Jan 26, 2013, 11:15:06 AM1/26/13
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Orpheus internet does *not* require me to enter a username or password to
send, and it appears will not connect if a UN and Pass are used.
The poxy little Aquamail app will not allow the Account configuration to
complete unless a UN and Password are entered.
If a UN an Pass are entered, then Aquamail will complete and test the
connection, but of course Orpheus internet will not permit the connection,
so Aquamail reports the failure and again will not complete.
Funny thing is, the trivial Mail app supplied with the Tab will
Connect/Send/receive okay, even with no UN or Pass on the smtp settings.
Dave
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Dave Triffid
Dave Symes
Jan 26, 2013, 11:36:18 AM1/26/13
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In article <531429d...@triffid.co.uk>,
works. So goodby Aqua mail.
Dave
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Dave Triffid
Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> It appears thus: Orpheus internet does *not* require me to enter a
> username or password to send, and it appears will not connect if a UN
> and Pass are used.
> The poxy little Aquamail app will not allow the Account configuration to
> complete unless a UN and Password are entered.
> If a UN an Pass are entered, then Aquamail will complete and test the
> connection, but of course Orpheus internet will not permit the
> connection, so Aquamail reports the failure and again will not complete.
> Funny thing is, the trivial Mail app supplied with the Tab will
> Connect/Send/receive okay, even with no UN or Pass on the smtp settings.
> Dave
I've now installed the app Mail.Com Mail and that configures correctly and
> It appears thus: Orpheus internet does *not* require me to enter a
> username or password to send, and it appears will not connect if a UN
> and Pass are used.
> The poxy little Aquamail app will not allow the Account configuration to
> complete unless a UN and Password are entered.
> If a UN an Pass are entered, then Aquamail will complete and test the
> connection, but of course Orpheus internet will not permit the
> connection, so Aquamail reports the failure and again will not complete.
> Funny thing is, the trivial Mail app supplied with the Tab will
> Connect/Send/receive okay, even with no UN or Pass on the smtp settings.
> Dave
works. So goodby Aqua mail.
Dave
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Dave Triffid
Russell Hafter News
Jan 27, 2013, 1:28:38 PM1/27/13
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In article <531429d...@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes
I have tried on a couple of occasions to use the Orpheus
SMTP server using SMTP Authentication, as I am always on the
lookout for SMTP servers that I can use when connected to,
say, hotel WiFi.
I find I need more than one, as certain recipients block
even authenticated e-mail when here is a mismatch between
certain sending domains and the SMTP sever's domain.
As far as I can tell from the logs, Orpheus' SMTP server
does not support SMTP Authentication, which seems a little
odd.
A fair number of other SMTP servers require all e-mail to be
authenticated.
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<da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> Orpheus internet does *not* require me to enter a
> username or password to send, and it appears will not
> connect if a UN and Pass are used.
That is how it appears to me too.
> Orpheus internet does *not* require me to enter a
> username or password to send, and it appears will not
> connect if a UN and Pass are used.
I have tried on a couple of occasions to use the Orpheus
SMTP server using SMTP Authentication, as I am always on the
lookout for SMTP servers that I can use when connected to,
say, hotel WiFi.
I find I need more than one, as certain recipients block
even authenticated e-mail when here is a mismatch between
certain sending domains and the SMTP sever's domain.
As far as I can tell from the logs, Orpheus' SMTP server
does not support SMTP Authentication, which seems a little
odd.
A fair number of other SMTP servers require all e-mail to be
authenticated.
--
Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
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Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>
Dave Symes
Jan 27, 2013, 3:33:24 PM1/27/13
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In article <5314b9e1...@walkingingermany.invalid>,
the smtp authentication is filled in.
Luckily I did find two mail apps (For Android) "mail.com mail" and "K-9
Mail" that will function with no smtp authentication set.
Dave
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Dave Triffid
Russell Hafter News <see...@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
> In article <531429d...@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes
> <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > Orpheus internet does *not* require me to enter a
> > username or password to send, and it appears will not
> > connect if a UN and Pass are used.
> That is how it appears to me too.
> I have tried on a couple of occasions to use the Orpheus
> SMTP server using SMTP Authentication, as I am always on the
> lookout for SMTP servers that I can use when connected to,
> say, hotel WiFi.
> I find I need more than one, as certain recipients block
> even authenticated e-mail when here is a mismatch between
> certain sending domains and the SMTP sever's domain.
> As far as I can tell from the logs, Orpheus' SMTP server
> does not support SMTP Authentication, which seems a little
> odd.
> A fair number of other SMTP servers require all e-mail to be
> authenticated.
Undeedy, and as I discovered, some mail client apps won't function unless
> In article <531429d...@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes
> <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > Orpheus internet does *not* require me to enter a
> > username or password to send, and it appears will not
> > connect if a UN and Pass are used.
> That is how it appears to me too.
> I have tried on a couple of occasions to use the Orpheus
> SMTP server using SMTP Authentication, as I am always on the
> lookout for SMTP servers that I can use when connected to,
> say, hotel WiFi.
> I find I need more than one, as certain recipients block
> even authenticated e-mail when here is a mismatch between
> certain sending domains and the SMTP sever's domain.
> As far as I can tell from the logs, Orpheus' SMTP server
> does not support SMTP Authentication, which seems a little
> odd.
> A fair number of other SMTP servers require all e-mail to be
> authenticated.
the smtp authentication is filled in.
Luckily I did find two mail apps (For Android) "mail.com mail" and "K-9
Mail" that will function with no smtp authentication set.
Dave
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Dave Triffid
Peter Young
Jan 27, 2013, 4:57:41 PM1/27/13
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On 27 Jan 2013 Russell Hafter News <see...@walkingingermany.invalid>
wrote:
> In article <531429d...@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes
> <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
>> Orpheus internet does *not* require me to enter a
>> username or password to send, and it appears will not
>> connect if a UN and Pass are used.
> That is how it appears to me too.
> I have tried on a couple of occasions to use the Orpheus
> SMTP server using SMTP Authentication, as I am always on the
> lookout for SMTP servers that I can use when connected to,
> say, hotel WiFi.
Talk to Richard at Orpheus about this. I don't understand the
technicalities of this, but I can now send and receive mail to and
from Orpheus when away from home after a change of servers (Many
thanks, Richard). Usenet is another matter, though ...
With best wishes,
Peter.
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Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52, England
http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
pny...@ormail.co.uk
wrote:
> In article <531429d...@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes
> <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
>> Orpheus internet does *not* require me to enter a
>> username or password to send, and it appears will not
>> connect if a UN and Pass are used.
> That is how it appears to me too.
> I have tried on a couple of occasions to use the Orpheus
> SMTP server using SMTP Authentication, as I am always on the
> lookout for SMTP servers that I can use when connected to,
> say, hotel WiFi.
technicalities of this, but I can now send and receive mail to and
from Orpheus when away from home after a change of servers (Many
thanks, Richard). Usenet is another matter, though ...
With best wishes,
Peter.
--
Peter Young (zfc Ta) and family
Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52, England
http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
pny...@ormail.co.uk
Russell Hafter News
Jan 27, 2013, 5:40:04 PM1/27/13
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In article <6105cd145...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter
You are saying that there is a different Orpheus SMTP server
(other than smtp.orpheusnet.co.uk) that you are now using?
Young <pny...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 27 Jan 2013 Russell Hafter News
> <see...@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
> > In article <531429d...@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes
> > <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> >> Orpheus internet does *not* require me to enter a
> >> username or password to send, and it appears will not
> >> connect if a UN and Pass are used.
> > That is how it appears to me too.
> > I have tried on a couple of occasions to use the
> > Orpheus SMTP server using SMTP Authentication, as I am
> > always on the lookout for SMTP servers that I can use
> > when connected to, say, hotel WiFi.
> Talk to Richard at Orpheus about this. I don't understand
> the technicalities of this, but I can now send and
> receive mail to and from Orpheus when away from home
> after a change of servers (Many thanks, Richard). Usenet
> is another matter, though ...
There is never any problem receiving e-mail.
> On 27 Jan 2013 Russell Hafter News
> <see...@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
> > In article <531429d...@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes
> > <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> >> Orpheus internet does *not* require me to enter a
> >> username or password to send, and it appears will not
> >> connect if a UN and Pass are used.
> > That is how it appears to me too.
> > I have tried on a couple of occasions to use the
> > Orpheus SMTP server using SMTP Authentication, as I am
> > always on the lookout for SMTP servers that I can use
> > when connected to, say, hotel WiFi.
> Talk to Richard at Orpheus about this. I don't understand
> the technicalities of this, but I can now send and
> receive mail to and from Orpheus when away from home
> after a change of servers (Many thanks, Richard). Usenet
> is another matter, though ...
You are saying that there is a different Orpheus SMTP server
(other than smtp.orpheusnet.co.uk) that you are now using?
Peter Young
Jan 28, 2013, 4:11:40 AM1/28/13
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On 27 Jan 2013 Russell Hafter News <see...@walkingingermany.invalid>
wrote:
> In article <6105cd145...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter
> Young <pny...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]
wrote:
> In article <6105cd145...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter
> Young <pny...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
>> Talk to Richard at Orpheus about this. I don't understand
>> the technicalities of this, but I can now send and
>> receive mail to and from Orpheus when away from home
>> after a change of servers (Many thanks, Richard). Usenet
>> is another matter, though ...
> There is never any problem receiving e-mail.
> You are saying that there is a different Orpheus SMTP server
> (other than smtp.orpheusnet.co.uk) that you are now using?
send mail when you're away, and which works reliably for me. I can't
remember the details of how this was set up, so you need to talk to
Richard about this.
Stuart
Jan 28, 2013, 5:00:41 AM1/28/13
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In article <5314d0e6...@walkingingermany.invalid>,
RISC OS but will be available for other OSs. Being away from home suggests
the use of some sort of portable device not something using RO.
--
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Russell Hafter News <see...@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
> There is never any problem receiving e-mail.
> You are saying that there is a different Orpheus SMTP server
> (other than smtp.orpheusnet.co.uk) that you are now using?
It may not be SMTP but IMAP. I don't know if an IMAP client exists for
> There is never any problem receiving e-mail.
> You are saying that there is a different Orpheus SMTP server
> (other than smtp.orpheusnet.co.uk) that you are now using?
RISC OS but will be available for other OSs. Being away from home suggests
the use of some sort of portable device not something using RO.
--
Stuart Winsor
Only plain text for emails
http://www.asciiribbon.org
Chris Hughes
Jan 28, 2013, 1:26:28 PM1/28/13
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In message <53150f36...@argonet.co.uk>
--
Chris Hughes
Stuart <Spa...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <5314d0e6...@walkingingermany.invalid>,
> Russell Hafter News <see...@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
>> There is never any problem receiving e-mail.
>> You are saying that there is a different Orpheus SMTP server
>> (other than smtp.orpheusnet.co.uk) that you are now using?
> It may not be SMTP but IMAP. I don't know if an IMAP client exists for
> RISC OS but will be available for other OSs. Being away from home suggests
> the use of some sort of portable device not something using RO.
Err Messenger Pro has an IMAP client.
> In article <5314d0e6...@walkingingermany.invalid>,
> Russell Hafter News <see...@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
>> There is never any problem receiving e-mail.
>> You are saying that there is a different Orpheus SMTP server
>> (other than smtp.orpheusnet.co.uk) that you are now using?
> It may not be SMTP but IMAP. I don't know if an IMAP client exists for
> RISC OS but will be available for other OSs. Being away from home suggests
> the use of some sort of portable device not something using RO.
--
Chris Hughes
Stuart
Jan 28, 2013, 4:04:33 PM1/28/13
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Russell Hafter News
Jan 29, 2013, 5:51:50 AM1/29/13
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In article <531411...@invalid.org.uk>, Tim Hill
Most of my business partners seem more than happy to use
e-mail.
I still tend to fax them orders because it takes me vastly
less time to fill in details with a pen on a pre-printed
piece of paper and send it to a stored fax number than it
does to write out the whole thing on an e-mail. Sending the
fax costs at most 2p, which is well worth it for the
simplicity and ease of use IMHO.
But the answers normlly to come back as huge PDF attachments
to an e-mail.
I seem to remember you writing years ago on the Pluto
mailing list that Pluto was a killer app
:-)
But I would entirely agree that there is no e-mail software
in the mainstream that is anything like as powerful and
flexible as the combination of POPStar and Pluto.
The only downside is the inability of Pluto to read some of
the more recently developed e-mail formats so beloved by
those who have fill up their communications with flashy and
superflous logos, and those pieces of software that always
send everything base64 encoded. I can only think that
someone thinks that this is more secure than plain text,
when any serious hacker will be able to decode it in
seconds.
<t...@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> I am convinced this is one reason email has never really
> caught on in the way that it should have in the Big Wide
> World. I have often thought it is one type of software
> which has never attracted the Killer App. When it arrives
> on iOS one day, all those companies who don't accept
> email will find themselves left in the cold like so many
> other failing companies today let down by their web
> presence and unfair competition from non-taxpayers and
> VAT cheats. In the meantime, Pluto offers us a way to
> manipulate 'Articles' in ways lusers and iFans don't even
> dream about.
I am not quite sure what you are getting at here Tim.
> I am convinced this is one reason email has never really
> caught on in the way that it should have in the Big Wide
> World. I have often thought it is one type of software
> which has never attracted the Killer App. When it arrives
> on iOS one day, all those companies who don't accept
> email will find themselves left in the cold like so many
> other failing companies today let down by their web
> presence and unfair competition from non-taxpayers and
> VAT cheats. In the meantime, Pluto offers us a way to
> manipulate 'Articles' in ways lusers and iFans don't even
> dream about.
Most of my business partners seem more than happy to use
e-mail.
I still tend to fax them orders because it takes me vastly
less time to fill in details with a pen on a pre-printed
piece of paper and send it to a stored fax number than it
does to write out the whole thing on an e-mail. Sending the
fax costs at most 2p, which is well worth it for the
simplicity and ease of use IMHO.
But the answers normlly to come back as huge PDF attachments
to an e-mail.
I seem to remember you writing years ago on the Pluto
mailing list that Pluto was a killer app
:-)
But I would entirely agree that there is no e-mail software
in the mainstream that is anything like as powerful and
flexible as the combination of POPStar and Pluto.
The only downside is the inability of Pluto to read some of
the more recently developed e-mail formats so beloved by
those who have fill up their communications with flashy and
superflous logos, and those pieces of software that always
send everything base64 encoded. I can only think that
someone thinks that this is more secure than plain text,
when any serious hacker will be able to decode it in
seconds.
Dave Symes
Jan 29, 2013, 11:19:35 AM1/29/13
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In article <531597bb...@walkingingermany.invalid>,
Obviously your personal combination, and power to you... but generally not
quite true.
If you change that to Hermes and Pluto I would say you are spot on.
Dave
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Dave Triffid
Russell Hafter News <see...@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
[Snippy]
> But I would entirely agree that there is no e-mail software
> in the mainstream that is anything like as powerful and
> flexible as the combination of POPStar and Pluto.
I have to add a note Russell...
> in the mainstream that is anything like as powerful and
> flexible as the combination of POPStar and Pluto.
Obviously your personal combination, and power to you... but generally not
quite true.
If you change that to Hermes and Pluto I would say you are spot on.
Dave
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Russell Hafter News
Feb 1, 2013, 3:10:10 PM2/1/13
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In article <5315b5b...@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes
I have never seen Hermes in action, let alone tried it.
It may well be better than POPStar - it certainly ought to
be, as it is paid-for.
But even with any limitations that POPStar may have, it, in
combination with Pluto, is still miles better than anything
*I* have tried on other platforms (limited to Windows,
Symbian and whatever OS i-pads use (not mine, but my partner
was given one or her Christmas)).
It may well be better than POPStar - it certainly ought to
be, as it is paid-for.
But even with any limitations that POPStar may have, it, in
combination with Pluto, is still miles better than anything
*I* have tried on other platforms (limited to Windows,
Symbian and whatever OS i-pads use (not mine, but my partner
was given one or her Christmas)).
patric aristide
Feb 1, 2013, 4:19:42 PM2/1/13
to
On 2013-02-01, Russell Hafter News <see...@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
> In article <5315b5b...@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes
Seriously though: what's so good about it? I used to play
around with POPStar on my A4000 but never managed to make
it leave a copy on the server without re-fetching it.
Hermes at least uses SSL although it happily accepts
whatever certificate the server provides, which was the
main reason why I ditched it as well and went with fetchmail
instead.
I really tried to get on with Messenger and while it's
nice to have a reasonably well featured mail client
running natively I just couldn't get used to it. Haven't tried
Pluto but then again since it seems highly unlikely to
ever get (properly) upgraded to 32-bit let alone ARMv7
chances are I never will.
Patric
> In article <5315b5b...@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes
><da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
>> In article <531597bb...@walkingingermany.invalid>,
>> Russell Hafter News <see...@walkingingermany.invalid>
>> wrote:
>
>> [Snippy]
>> > But I would entirely agree that there is no e-mail
>> > software in the mainstream that is anything like as
>> > powerful and flexible as the combination of POPStar and
>> > Pluto.
>
>> I have to add a note Russell...
>
>> Obviously your personal combination, and power to you...
>> but generally not quite true.
>
>> If you change that to Hermes and Pluto I would say you
>> are spot on.
>
> I have never seen Hermes in action, let alone tried it.
>
> It may well be better than POPStar - it certainly ought to
> be, as it is paid-for.
>
> But even with any limitations that POPStar may have, it, in
> combination with Pluto, is still miles better than anything
> *I* have tried on other platforms (limited to Windows,
> Symbian and whatever OS i-pads use (not mine, but my partner
> was given one or her Christmas)).
>
Thought the only advantage of POPStar was that it's free.
>> In article <531597bb...@walkingingermany.invalid>,
>> Russell Hafter News <see...@walkingingermany.invalid>
>> wrote:
>
>> [Snippy]
>> > But I would entirely agree that there is no e-mail
>> > software in the mainstream that is anything like as
>> > powerful and flexible as the combination of POPStar and
>> > Pluto.
>
>> I have to add a note Russell...
>
>> Obviously your personal combination, and power to you...
>> but generally not quite true.
>
>> If you change that to Hermes and Pluto I would say you
>> are spot on.
>
> I have never seen Hermes in action, let alone tried it.
>
> It may well be better than POPStar - it certainly ought to
> be, as it is paid-for.
>
> But even with any limitations that POPStar may have, it, in
> combination with Pluto, is still miles better than anything
> *I* have tried on other platforms (limited to Windows,
> Symbian and whatever OS i-pads use (not mine, but my partner
> was given one or her Christmas)).
>
Seriously though: what's so good about it? I used to play
around with POPStar on my A4000 but never managed to make
it leave a copy on the server without re-fetching it.
Hermes at least uses SSL although it happily accepts
whatever certificate the server provides, which was the
main reason why I ditched it as well and went with fetchmail
instead.
I really tried to get on with Messenger and while it's
nice to have a reasonably well featured mail client
running natively I just couldn't get used to it. Haven't tried
Pluto but then again since it seems highly unlikely to
ever get (properly) upgraded to 32-bit let alone ARMv7
chances are I never will.
Patric
Russell Hafter News
Feb 1, 2013, 4:41:30 PM2/1/13
to
In article <slrn3vfskgo...@odin.sdf-eu.org>,
reason myself.
> Hermes at least uses SSL although it happily accepts
> whatever certificate the server provides, which was the
> main reason why I ditched it as well and went with
> fetchmail instead.
> I really tried to get on with Messenger and while it's
> nice to have a reasonably well featured mail client
> running natively I just couldn't get used to it. Haven't
> tried Pluto but then again since it seems highly unlikely
> to ever get (properly) upgraded to 32-bit let alone ARMv7
> chances are I never will.
I cannot comment on Messenger as I have never tried it.
Pluto sems to run OK under RO5 on RPCemu running under Win 7
Starter. That requires 32 bit, surely?
The really good bit about Pluto is the way it organises ones
e-mails (almost) painlessly.
What I really hate the most about every other piece of
e-mail software I have ever tried to use is that they
combine POP3 / SMTP and the actual reading and filing of the
e-mails within the same package.
They all seem to use the same concept of accounts, and each
account has to have both its POP3 server and its SMTP server
specified. The software does not seem to have the concept of
a global SMTP server!
When setting up a piece of software on a new computer to
access 11+ POP3 mailboxes, and to have to enter the (same)
SMTP server, with its authentication details, every time is
tedious in the extreme.
And if the SMTP server I happen to be using goes down (as
they do), I then have to edit every 'account' to change the
SMTP server. Using the RISC OS system I only ever have to
enter one SMTP server, so changing it takes little time,
with much less opportunity for error.
patric aristide <ti...@sdf-eu.org> wrote:
> > But even with any limitations that POPStar may have,
> > it, in combination with Pluto, is still miles better
> > than anything *I* have tried on other platforms
> > (limited to Windows, Symbian and whatever OS i-pads use
> > (not mine, but my partner was given one or her
> > Christmas)).
> >
> Thought the only advantage of POPStar was that it's free.
> Seriously though: what's so good about it? I used to play
> around with POPStar on my A4000 but never managed to make
> it leave a copy on the server without re-fetching it.
Why would you want to do that? I cannot conceive of any
> > But even with any limitations that POPStar may have,
> > it, in combination with Pluto, is still miles better
> > than anything *I* have tried on other platforms
> > (limited to Windows, Symbian and whatever OS i-pads use
> > (not mine, but my partner was given one or her
> > Christmas)).
> >
> Thought the only advantage of POPStar was that it's free.
> Seriously though: what's so good about it? I used to play
> around with POPStar on my A4000 but never managed to make
> it leave a copy on the server without re-fetching it.
reason myself.
> Hermes at least uses SSL although it happily accepts
> whatever certificate the server provides, which was the
> main reason why I ditched it as well and went with
> fetchmail instead.
> I really tried to get on with Messenger and while it's
> nice to have a reasonably well featured mail client
> running natively I just couldn't get used to it. Haven't
> tried Pluto but then again since it seems highly unlikely
> to ever get (properly) upgraded to 32-bit let alone ARMv7
> chances are I never will.
Pluto sems to run OK under RO5 on RPCemu running under Win 7
Starter. That requires 32 bit, surely?
The really good bit about Pluto is the way it organises ones
e-mails (almost) painlessly.
What I really hate the most about every other piece of
e-mail software I have ever tried to use is that they
combine POP3 / SMTP and the actual reading and filing of the
e-mails within the same package.
They all seem to use the same concept of accounts, and each
account has to have both its POP3 server and its SMTP server
specified. The software does not seem to have the concept of
a global SMTP server!
When setting up a piece of software on a new computer to
access 11+ POP3 mailboxes, and to have to enter the (same)
SMTP server, with its authentication details, every time is
tedious in the extreme.
And if the SMTP server I happen to be using goes down (as
they do), I then have to edit every 'account' to change the
SMTP server. Using the RISC OS system I only ever have to
enter one SMTP server, so changing it takes little time,
with much less opportunity for error.
Evan Clark
Feb 1, 2013, 5:18:41 PM2/1/13
to
> Haven't tried Pluto but then again since it seems highly unlikely
> to ever get (properly) upgraded to 32-bit let alone ARMv7 chances
> are I never will.
What was 'improper' about the 32bit upgrade Jonathan produced at the
> to ever get (properly) upgraded to 32-bit let alone ARMv7 chances
> are I never will.
time the Iyonix was first produced almost exactly 10 years ago? There
have been several further upgrades since then with added
functionality.
A number of people are currently running ARM6/ARM7 compatible
versions of Pluto. It is my understanding that you would have to be an
existing Pluto user to be eligible for an upgrade.
Evan.
patric aristide
Feb 1, 2013, 5:33:48 PM2/1/13
to
On 2013-02-01, Russell Hafter News <see...@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
>> Thought the only advantage of POPStar was that it's free.
>> Seriously though: what's so good about it? I used to play
>> around with POPStar on my A4000 but never managed to make
>> it leave a copy on the server without re-fetching it.
>
> Why would you want to do that? I cannot conceive of any
> reason myself.
>
I might want to fetch mail on other machines too or
>> Seriously though: what's so good about it? I used to play
>> around with POPStar on my A4000 but never managed to make
>> it leave a copy on the server without re-fetching it.
>
> Why would you want to do that? I cannot conceive of any
> reason myself.
>
sometimes even read them via web interface. Like when I
was in Hong Kong and suddenly realized my server at
home was fetch-deleting all my mail.
>> Hermes at least uses SSL although it happily accepts
>> whatever certificate the server provides, which was the
>> main reason why I ditched it as well and went with
>> fetchmail instead.
>
>> I really tried to get on with Messenger and while it's
>> nice to have a reasonably well featured mail client
>> tried Pluto but then again since it seems highly unlikely
>> to ever get (properly) upgraded to 32-bit let alone ARMv7
>> chances are I never will.
>
>> to ever get (properly) upgraded to 32-bit let alone ARMv7
>> chances are I never will.
>
> I cannot comment on Messenger as I have never tried it.
> Pluto sems to run OK under RO5 on RPCemu running under Win 7
> Starter. That requires 32 bit, surely?
>
AIU there was a version for the Iyonix but it was experimental,
> Pluto sems to run OK under RO5 on RPCemu running under Win 7
> Starter. That requires 32 bit, surely?
>
only supporting a subset of its usual features. I could be
wrong of course but haven't been able to track down a copy.
Even the web site seems to have disappeared.
> The really good bit about Pluto is the way it organises ones
> e-mails (almost) painlessly.
>
> What I really hate the most about every other piece of
> e-mail software I have ever tried to use is that they
> combine POP3 / SMTP and the actual reading and filing of the
> e-mails within the same package.
>
RISC OS borrowed the idea from. Linux nowadays doesn't
or hides it from the user since most people don't like it
but you can still use fetchmail with elm, pine, tin or mutt
(which is what I do).
> They all seem to use the same concept of accounts, and each
> account has to have both its POP3 server and its SMTP server
> specified. The software does not seem to have the concept of
> a global SMTP server!
>
> When setting up a piece of software on a new computer to
> access 11+ POP3 mailboxes, and to have to enter the (same)
> SMTP server, with its authentication details, every time is
> tedious in the extreme.
>
> And if the SMTP server I happen to be using goes down (as
> they do), I then have to edit every 'account' to change the
> SMTP server. Using the RISC OS system I only ever have to
> enter one SMTP server, so changing it takes little time,
> with much less opportunity for error.
>
a try. Who knows, perhaps the RPi will bring it back
one day.
Patric
Russell Hafter News
Feb 1, 2013, 6:07:43 PM2/1/13
to
In article <slrn3vfskgo...@odin.sdf-eu.org>,
patric aristide <ti...@sdf-eu.org> wrote:
> I might want to fetch mail on other machines too or
> sometimes even read them via web interface. Like when I
> was in Hong Kong and suddenly realized my server at
> home was fetch-deleting all my mail.
OK.
patric aristide <ti...@sdf-eu.org> wrote:
> I might want to fetch mail on other machines too or
> sometimes even read them via web interface. Like when I
> was in Hong Kong and suddenly realized my server at
> home was fetch-deleting all my mail.
Just bounce it to a different mailbox, then retrive using
the other machine.
I have one mailbox that I just use for bcc-ing all e-mail I
send from windows or symbian software, then collect it later
when back at home.
patric aristide
Feb 1, 2013, 6:01:37 PM2/1/13
to
On 2013-02-01, Evan Clark <ne...@ejclark.force9.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <slrn3vfskgo...@odin.sdf-eu.org>, patric aristide
><ti...@sdf-eu.org> wrote:
> In article <slrn3vfskgo...@odin.sdf-eu.org>, patric aristide
><ti...@sdf-eu.org> wrote:
>> Haven't tried Pluto but then again since it seems highly unlikely
>> to ever get (properly) upgraded to 32-bit let alone ARMv7 chances
>> are I never will.
>
>> to ever get (properly) upgraded to 32-bit let alone ARMv7 chances
>> are I never will.
>
> What was 'improper' about the 32bit upgrade Jonathan produced at the
> time the Iyonix was first produced almost exactly 10 years ago? There
> have been several further upgrades since then with added
> functionality.
>
Ok probably confused it with something else then. Not being a user
> time the Iyonix was first produced almost exactly 10 years ago? There
> have been several further upgrades since then with added
> functionality.
>
myself I couldn't find a lot of information re Pluto. I guess
there's a closed Pluto users mailing list in typical RISC OS
fashion.
> A number of people are currently running ARM6/ARM7 compatible
> versions of Pluto. It is my understanding that you would have to be an
> existing Pluto user to be eligible for an upgrade.
>
a legitimate copy?
Patric
Evan Clark
Feb 1, 2013, 6:56:52 PM2/1/13
to
In article <slrn3vfskgo...@odin.sdf-eu.org>, patric aristide
<ti...@sdf-eu.org> wrote:
> On 2013-02-01, Evan Clark <ne...@ejclark.force9.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <slrn3vfskgo...@odin.sdf-eu.org>, patric
> >aristide <ti...@sdf-eu.org> wrote:
> >> Haven't tried Pluto but then again since it seems highly
> >> unlikely to ever get (properly) upgraded to 32-bit let alone
> >> ARMv7 chances are I never will.
> >
> > What was 'improper' about the 32bit upgrade Jonathan produced at
> > the time the Iyonix was first produced almost exactly 10 years
> > ago? There have been several further upgrades since then with
> > added functionality.
> >
> Ok probably confused it with something else then. Not being a user
> myself I couldn't find a lot of information re Pluto.
Better not to speculate then. My response is aimed at avoiding
<ti...@sdf-eu.org> wrote:
> On 2013-02-01, Evan Clark <ne...@ejclark.force9.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <slrn3vfskgo...@odin.sdf-eu.org>, patric
> >aristide <ti...@sdf-eu.org> wrote:
> >> Haven't tried Pluto but then again since it seems highly
> >> unlikely to ever get (properly) upgraded to 32-bit let alone
> >> ARMv7 chances are I never will.
> >
> > What was 'improper' about the 32bit upgrade Jonathan produced at
> > the time the Iyonix was first produced almost exactly 10 years
> > ago? There have been several further upgrades since then with
> > added functionality.
> >
> Ok probably confused it with something else then. Not being a user
> myself I couldn't find a lot of information re Pluto.
misinformation being archived.
> I guess there's a closed Pluto users mailing list in typical RISC
> OS fashion.
> > A number of people are currently running ARM6/ARM7 compatible
> > versions of Pluto. It is my understanding that you would have to
> > be an existing Pluto user to be eligible for an upgrade.
> >
> Good to hear he recompiled Pluto then but how to get hold of a
> legitimate copy?
site. Search the web for Jonathan Duddington and you should be able
to find an email address.
Evan.
patric aristide
Feb 1, 2013, 8:16:00 PM2/1/13
to
and most discussions only seem to mention "Jonathan" or "JD" which is a
bit thin for Google.
I now see, he can be contacted via SourceForge so thanks.
Patric
Tim Hill
Feb 2, 2013, 6:27:09 AM2/2/13
to
In article <slrn3vfskgo...@odin.sdf-eu.org>,
patric aristide <ti...@sdf-eu.org> wrote:
> AIU there was a version for the Iyonix but it was experimental,
> only supporting a subset of its usual features. I could be
> wrong of course but haven't been able to track down a copy.
You are wrong. Pluto 3.04c has been working on this Iyonix for years.
patric aristide <ti...@sdf-eu.org> wrote:
> AIU there was a version for the Iyonix but it was experimental,
> only supporting a subset of its usual features. I could be
> wrong of course but haven't been able to track down a copy.
> Even the web site seems to have disappeared.
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Tim Hill
Feb 2, 2013, 6:29:54 AM2/2/13
to
In article <531597bb...@walkingingermany.invalid>, Russell Hafter
daily basis who not only don't accept incoming email but think that their
alternative of sending second class mail using an alternative provider to
Royal mail is acceptably quick. To name names: LloydsTSB for one. Others
(Barclaycard, OneAccount) do have secure email and when they reply they
tell you to phone up.
[Snip]
> I seem to remember you writing years ago on the Pluto mailing list that
> Pluto was a killer app
> :-)
Not any more, but it could be if it handled other articles people want to
read such as facebook and Twitter posts.
[Snip]
> The only downside is the inability of Pluto to read some of the more
> recently developed e-mail formats so beloved by those who have fill up
> their communications with flashy and superflous logos,
I am happy that Pluto does not automatically open HTML email or images.
Most are spam or near-spam.
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News <see...@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
> In article <531411...@invalid.org.uk>, Tim Hill
> <t...@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> > I am convinced this is one reason email has never really caught on in
> > the way that it should have in the Big Wide World. I have often
> > thought it is one type of software which has never attracted the
> > Killer App. When it arrives on iOS one day, all those companies who
> > don't accept email will find themselves left in the cold like so many
> > other failing companies today let down by their web presence and
> > unfair competition from non-taxpayers and VAT cheats. In the
> > meantime, Pluto offers us a way to manipulate 'Articles' in ways
> > lusers and iFans don't even dream about.
> I am not quite sure what you are getting at here Tim.
> Most of my business partners seem more than happy to use e-mail.
There are a huge number of huge businesses who deal with consumers on a
> In article <531411...@invalid.org.uk>, Tim Hill
> <t...@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> > I am convinced this is one reason email has never really caught on in
> > the way that it should have in the Big Wide World. I have often
> > thought it is one type of software which has never attracted the
> > Killer App. When it arrives on iOS one day, all those companies who
> > don't accept email will find themselves left in the cold like so many
> > other failing companies today let down by their web presence and
> > unfair competition from non-taxpayers and VAT cheats. In the
> > meantime, Pluto offers us a way to manipulate 'Articles' in ways
> > lusers and iFans don't even dream about.
> I am not quite sure what you are getting at here Tim.
> Most of my business partners seem more than happy to use e-mail.
daily basis who not only don't accept incoming email but think that their
alternative of sending second class mail using an alternative provider to
Royal mail is acceptably quick. To name names: LloydsTSB for one. Others
(Barclaycard, OneAccount) do have secure email and when they reply they
tell you to phone up.
[Snip]
> I seem to remember you writing years ago on the Pluto mailing list that
> Pluto was a killer app
> :-)
read such as facebook and Twitter posts.
[Snip]
> The only downside is the inability of Pluto to read some of the more
> recently developed e-mail formats so beloved by those who have fill up
> their communications with flashy and superflous logos,
Most are spam or near-spam.
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charles
Feb 2, 2013, 6:41:33 AM2/2/13
to
In article <5317aa...@invalid.org.uk>,
--
From KT24
Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18
Tim Hill <t...@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> In article <slrn3vfskgo...@odin.sdf-eu.org>,
> patric aristide <ti...@sdf-eu.org> wrote:
> > AIU there was a version for the Iyonix but it was experimental,
> > only supporting a subset of its usual features. I could be
> > wrong of course but haven't been able to track down a copy.
> You are wrong. Pluto 3.04c has been working on this Iyonix for years.
Indeed. The info file dates it from 31.01.05
> In article <slrn3vfskgo...@odin.sdf-eu.org>,
> patric aristide <ti...@sdf-eu.org> wrote:
> > AIU there was a version for the Iyonix but it was experimental,
> > only supporting a subset of its usual features. I could be
> > wrong of course but haven't been able to track down a copy.
> You are wrong. Pluto 3.04c has been working on this Iyonix for years.
--
From KT24
Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18
Tim Hill
Feb 2, 2013, 7:03:02 AM2/2/13
to
In article <5317aba0...@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles
entirely the bit that says "has been working...for years".
I can just imagine though the difficulty in getting new Raspi users to
use software which is older than they are, even if it is better than the
newer bloated muck infesting the hard drives of any non-RISC-OS OS you
care to name.
<cha...@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <5317aa...@invalid.org.uk>, Tim Hill
> <t...@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> > In article <slrn3vfskgo...@odin.sdf-eu.org>, patric aristide
> > <ti...@sdf-eu.org> wrote:
> > > AIU there was a version for the Iyonix but it was experimental,
> > > only supporting a subset of its usual features. I could be wrong
> > > of course but haven't been able to track down a copy.
> > You are wrong. Pluto 3.04c has been working on this Iyonix for years.
> Indeed. The info file dates it from 31.01.05
I avoid dates. They make early-adopter types run for the hills, missing
> In article <5317aa...@invalid.org.uk>, Tim Hill
> <t...@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> > In article <slrn3vfskgo...@odin.sdf-eu.org>, patric aristide
> > <ti...@sdf-eu.org> wrote:
> > > AIU there was a version for the Iyonix but it was experimental,
> > > only supporting a subset of its usual features. I could be wrong
> > > of course but haven't been able to track down a copy.
> > You are wrong. Pluto 3.04c has been working on this Iyonix for years.
> Indeed. The info file dates it from 31.01.05
entirely the bit that says "has been working...for years".
I can just imagine though the difficulty in getting new Raspi users to
use software which is older than they are, even if it is better than the
newer bloated muck infesting the hard drives of any non-RISC-OS OS you
care to name.
charles
Feb 2, 2013, 7:46:57 AM2/2/13
to
In article <5317ad...@invalid.org.uk>,
with whom I drink.
Tim Hill <t...@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> In article <5317aba0...@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles
> <cha...@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <5317aa...@invalid.org.uk>, Tim Hill
> > <t...@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> > > In article <slrn3vfskgo...@odin.sdf-eu.org>, patric aristide
> > > <ti...@sdf-eu.org> wrote:
> > > > AIU there was a version for the Iyonix but it was experimental,
> > > > only supporting a subset of its usual features. I could be wrong
> > > > of course but haven't been able to track down a copy.
> > > You are wrong. Pluto 3.04c has been working on this Iyonix for years.
> > Indeed. The info file dates it from 31.01.05
> I avoid dates. They make early-adopter types run for the hills, missing
> entirely the bit that says "has been working...for years".
> I can just imagine though the difficulty in getting new Raspi users to
> use software which is older than they are, even if it is better than the
> newer bloated muck infesting the hard drives of any non-RISC-OS OS you
> care to name.
I have an engraved trophy beer tankard which is older than many of those
> In article <5317aba0...@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles
> <cha...@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <5317aa...@invalid.org.uk>, Tim Hill
> > <t...@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> > > In article <slrn3vfskgo...@odin.sdf-eu.org>, patric aristide
> > > <ti...@sdf-eu.org> wrote:
> > > > AIU there was a version for the Iyonix but it was experimental,
> > > > only supporting a subset of its usual features. I could be wrong
> > > > of course but haven't been able to track down a copy.
> > > You are wrong. Pluto 3.04c has been working on this Iyonix for years.
> > Indeed. The info file dates it from 31.01.05
> I avoid dates. They make early-adopter types run for the hills, missing
> entirely the bit that says "has been working...for years".
> I can just imagine though the difficulty in getting new Raspi users to
> use software which is older than they are, even if it is better than the
> newer bloated muck infesting the hard drives of any non-RISC-OS OS you
> care to name.
with whom I drink.
alan...@gmail.com
Jun 18, 2017, 4:24:21 PM6/18/17
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The SMTP authentication is really happening on those servers. When you get new mail a password is required. That clears your IP address to send mail through their SMTP server for 15 minutes or so. The length of time can be changed so they aren't all the same. It's not an open relay because other IP addresses are blocked from using it. I used to run an email server like that and it worked fine if you understood how it worked. Unfortunately none of the writers of Android apps seem to have ever heard of it. The Gmail app will, but it has issues running on Kindles. SMTP used to be generally open, no authentication required, in the early 1990s. Then spam became common and whoever ran the SMTP server was responsible because they allowed it.
Try not checking mail (or having your app do it automatically) for about 20 minutes then try to send something. It usually won't work. In the office I worked in we set it up so the SMTP would stay open for 15 minutes and the mail clients checked for new mail every 10 minutes. So it just worked transparently. Yet we passed the tests for not being an open relay.
Now if anyone knows an email app which can work like that and will run on a Kindle I'd like to hear about it. Localnet.com runs their email that way.
Try not checking mail (or having your app do it automatically) for about 20 minutes then try to send something. It usually won't work. In the office I worked in we set it up so the SMTP would stay open for 15 minutes and the mail clients checked for new mail every 10 minutes. So it just worked transparently. Yet we passed the tests for not being an open relay.
Now if anyone knows an email app which can work like that and will run on a Kindle I'd like to hear about it. Localnet.com runs their email that way.
Vince M Hudd
Jun 19, 2017, 3:59:47 AM6/19/17
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On 18/06/17 21:24, alan...@gmail.com wrote:
> The SMTP authentication is really happening on those servers.
Grr! A small amount of quoting to add context can be very useful.
> The SMTP authentication is really happening on those servers.
Especially when you're following-up a thread from four years ago! :|
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> Now if anyone knows an email app which can work like that and will
> run on a Kindle I'd like to hear about it. Localnet.com runs their
> email that way.
on Android), the outgoing server settings appear to have a tick-box for
"Require sign in" - so I'd guess if that's not ticked, it will work in
the sort of situation you describe.
(I can't say for certain because I use a log-in for outgoing mail).
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