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choy  
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 More options Apr 22 1992, 10:09 pm
Newsgroups: alt.archery
From: c...@skorpio.usask.ca
Date: 23 Apr 92 02:09:48 GMT
Local: Wed, Apr 22 1992 10:09 pm
Subject: Construction

Greetings and salutations

What are good ways of making bows and arrows?

Henry Choy
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 More options Apr 23 1992, 11:19 pm
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From: dabow...@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (Kamron)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1992 03:19:18 GMT
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Subject: Re: Construction

c...@skorpio.usask.ca writes:
>Greetings and salutations

   Greythings and salivations! :)

>What are good ways of making bows and arrows?

    Not exactly able to tell you in a post, but I can suggest that you
   grab a copy of "American Indian Archery" (If you are interested in
   bows made of native materials and stuff..) It's written by
   Reginald Laubin, and published by Univ. of Oklahoma press

    Lots of info on bows made of wood/sinew, as well as horn. Also info
   on arrows, strings, and quivermaking. A bit of history as well.

    Doesn't go into step by step detail, but it gives you as good basis
   to start from.

    And to decide if it is really worth your time/resources.

    If anyone knows of more detailed sources, post them, cause it's an
   interest of mine as well.

>Henry Choy
>c...@cs.usask.ca

   Kamron..
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 More options Apr 24 1992, 6:45 pm
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From: sh...@ut-emx.uucp (Shawn Boyd)
Date: 24 Apr 92 22:45:16 GMT
Local: Fri, Apr 24 1992 6:45 pm
Subject: Re: Construction
In article <1992Apr24.031918.9...@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>

 Hi gang;

 I've been to looking into this myself.  Acquiring the materials in some
 cases is easy, hard in others.  Making a stringboard, for example, is simple
 as pie, and getting the twining thread is easy.  On the other hand, suppliers
 for Spanish Yew staves, or osage orange are a bit harder to find.

 Welll... I guess you've inspired me to go ahead and get started.  Might as
 well share what I know about it so far -- which is not anywhere near enough
 not to make a mess of things without finding out more.  Please add anything
 you know to what follows.

 First of all...

 There's a 176 page hardbound book by Jay Massey, available from Bowhunter's
 Discount Warehouse for $16.95 titled The Boyer's Craft.  That's really not
 that bad a price for a hardbound book, although I can't comment on the
 contents, having not read the book.  I offer this only as a possibility,
 but would be interested on any comments others might have concerning this
 and other books on the subject as well.

 The catalog description is fairly detailed, and reads as per the following:

"[...] describes how to make laminated recurved bows and longbows, old English
 longbows [Yes, there is a difference between traditional and modern longbows;
 a BIG difference -- SB] sinewbacked [American] Indian style bows, and Turkish
 style horn-wood-sinew composite bows.  Includes sections on making your own
 broadheads, flint knapping and arrow making.  Also includes chapters on hunt-
 ing with the bow and arrow."

 The book is inexpensive looking enough for what the description seems to say
 you get, but ordering it from BDW is going to cost you an extra six bucks for
 land mail postal delivery, and even more for 2nd day air.  So, unless you're
 going to order tackle, bows or arrows and piggyback this in, it's hardly worth
 it.  We've got a couple of good bookstores next to where I work.  It's a nice
 day.  Think I'll take a break and go over and see if they'll special order
 this for me.  I'll keep you posted, but it'll be at least a week or two.

 I have some online notes from another reference which caught my eye while I
 was in one of the libraries here on campus.

 You might try to locate a book called, Encyclopedia of Archery by W.F.
 Patterson, which contains a ten paragraph section on pps. 74 and 75 of the
 1984 first edition concerning an overview of how to construct an English
 Longbow (the author is very very British).  I won't do Mr. Patterson the
 disservice of plagiarising his work in this forum (or any other, for that
 matter) so I can't offer anything more than my fragmented paraphrases
 from this entry in his encyclopedia.  The paraphrases I'm taking from
 Patterson will appear as regular text below, while comments original with me
 will appear in brackets as per convention.  Although the ideas are Patterson's,
 they are written as if I were speaking to "you" conversationally, from memory,
 in direct address... because, in fact, I am.

 1) Start with Dagame staves -- they're easier to work with than Yew or Osage
    orange.  

    [I fully intend to follow this advice, because this will be my first  
     attempt at crafting a bow.]  

    Let's assume we have a 6' x 1" x 1" stave, as Patterson does in his
    instructions.  

    [Remember, this is a "stick bow," not a recurve. There are no curves at
     all in the unstrung bow.  That's important for understading some of the
     instructions below.]

 2) Accomplish the formation of the traditionally shaped longbow in the manner
    of the letter "D" by removing wood from the belly side of the stave, never
    from the back side.  

    [For those who don't know, I include the following, for those who do,
     forgive my assuming any lack of knowledge on your part.  The "back" of
     any bow faces downrange away from the string, and (hopefully) away from
     the archer, while the "belly" faces the string and the archer's side of
     the bow.  So the "traditional D" shape to which Patterson refers is not
     to the profile of the the strung, but undrawn bow, but instead to the
     cross section of the handle riser at its thickest points, as if by some
     awful occurrence the bow had been sawn in half at the grip.]

 3) The 1" x 1" dimensions of the bow are reduced from that size at the grip to
    1/2" x 1/2" at each end.  String and tiller the bow [in this the final
    part of the limb forming stage] with the use of a tiller, removing small
    amounts of wood so that the bow finally takes on the traditional, curved,
    ["halfmoon"] shape.  

    [Once again we see that semi-circular, "D" shape in the bow, but this time
     in its strung profile shape, rotated 90 degrees away from the old D shape
     in the previous plane.  I can provide a full description of the tillering
     process for those who would like one, but I know that having never done it,
     I will not be able to tell you all that may be involved.  I would note,
     that tillering an English longbow is holds only remote sim- larity to the
     process of tillering a modern day compound, which I've done many times.]  

    Nocks can be formed from horn if tradition is to be fully observed, and
    attached by glue to the tips or, what are called "self nocks" can be cut
    directly into the near finished bow stave.  

    [Typically, if the latter "self nock" method is used, the nock on the top
     limb is sharp, while the bottom limb nock is rounded, at each respective
     tip when following modern conventions.  At least that is the case with
     my Martin DL10 modern (NOT ENGLISH!) longbow.]

 5) As you approach the last stages of making the bow,a handle needs to be
    made from a separate piece of wood, and added to the grip area on the belly
    side of the bow.  After the handle is in place [I assume it is glued] the
    bow may be hand finished with the usual materials -- [with varying grades  
    of very light sandpaper, and as Patterson suggests, with] steel wool.  [I
    might also apply a stain at this point, but that remains to be seen.]

    [This is important.  Remember that because no wood was removed from the
     belly, it presents a flat, planar surface to the bow hand, and makes a
     bad, even useless, grip to an archer. This piece has a tapered, semi-oval
     shape and is glued in place, and then is often covered in traditional
     style with a thin piece of cowhide or deer hide, held in place with laces
     cinched tightly on the back side of the bow's grip so that the laces face
     away from the all important palm of the archer's bow hand.  Often buckskin
     is used for this in order to allow the boyer to water shrink the cover.  
     If this method is used, care should be taken to see that the lace holes are
     strongly reinforced so that the laces will not tear through the cover as
     the leather shrinks while drying.  Afterwards, softening agents should be
     avoided in order that they not undo shrinking.  Oils from the archers hand
     will accomplish that soon enough, but over a period of time, leaving the
     cover pretty much in its original shape.]

 To all concerned.  Please take the above for what it is, and nothing more.  It
 is only a preliminary investigation into building a near-traditional English
 longbow.  I haven't done it before, and have never seen it done.  The advice
 above are based on some of the ideas of an expert archer.  I personally, hunt
 with my bows, and am not a boyer.  Use the notions above only as a starting
 place for you investigations and efforts to build a bow, for that is the spirit
 in which they offered.

 I do have further information on the following: (1) How to build a string board
 to form and infinite skein with the twining thread from which bowstrings are
 made.  This I have done, and seen done.  This takes a little practice, and
 I'm not very good at it yet, but conceptually, it's quite simple. (2) Serving
 a bowstring -- ditto; this is a very common, and basic skill for any serious
 archer.  (3) Fletching and tipping arrows -- another very basic skill, and
 really quite simple with modern fletching jigs.  (4) As mentioned above, I know
 the concepts behind, but have never tillered a traditional bow of any sort,
 not stick, composite nor recurve.  Nor have I seen this done.  I have tillered
 my compounds many times, and can assure you the processes (as mentioned above)
 bare only the vaguest of similarities.

 Good luck.  Let me know if I can offer any help on the above.  Please keep me
 posted on anything else "ya'll" (hey, I AM from Texas, y'all) find out.  I can
 use all the help I can get on this one.  It'd be great if the first traditional
 bow I scraped on actually worked.

 Right distance and good lines on the shot to all...

 Best regards,

 Shawn Boyd
 Austin, Texas

 "Toxophily, and carry a bent stick!"


 
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