Feral hog shot placement
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I have another feral hog bowhunting trip coming up in a few
weeks, and I'd like to hear some comments on shot placement.
These animals are notorious for taking dead-center shots and
running off into hideously thick shrubbery and getting lost.
This happened to me the last two hogs in a *row* I shot, both
of them hit halfway up, 2" behind the shoulder with "Gillette-sharp"
Satellite Titan 125's which zipped through them like warm
butter. These were 75 pound hogs.
The guy that owned the hunting area said this happened with
6 of the last 7 hogs that had been shot on his place, and
that I was the *last* person to bowhunt there; from now on,
he was going to be guns-only. He was quite pissed off, and
of course I felt like an idiot.
I recently read that a shot in *front* of the shoulder had
a better chance of dropping the animal in its tracks than
the traditional behind-the-shoulder shot. I've also heard
that the best shot is one behind the shoulder, but angling
forward.
Any comments or discussion on this topic would be most welcome,
as I don't want to go through this again.
Ron M.
Austin, Texas
Robert H. Davis Jr.
I heard some guys talking in the archery shop about shot placement on hogs.
The one fellow said that he had heard that a "Texas Heart Shot" puts them
right down. The shop Pro confirmed it saying that he had indeed seen this
shot do exactly that.
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Bob D in PA
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Robert H. Davis Jr.
The animal facing dead away and aiming for the rectum.
Bob D in PA
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AmsToots
Any Quote "Bow hunter" that takes a Texas Heart Shot at anything should be
ashamed to call himself or herself a bowhunter.
Thanks , Alison
AmsToots
A "Texas Heart Shot" is shot which tries to hit the femoral artery in the rear
of the leg and is not a good shot for any bowhunter.
some people also refer to it as a shot up the poop shoot. Either way you look
at it don't bother - It's too risky.
Thanks , Alison
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Thanks for all the dialogue about "Texas Heart Shots." I don't think I'll
ever try one.
At any rate, it'd still be nice to see some discussion of feral hog
shot placment. These animals are difficult to kill cleanly, and
according to landowners I know, a *lot* of them are running off into
the bush and getting lost. This is a significant issue for many reasons,
not the least of which is the hunter being forced to abandon a wounded
animal that can't be located. Remember also that many outfitters charge
the same kill fee for an unrecovered animal as for a bagged one.
Ron M.
Austin, Texas
While we're on the subject, any recommendations for good Austin-area
hog hunting places would be most welcome. Email.
Mike Coleman
Ron,
You are only about 30 minutes from excellent hog hunting. Check out the
Corps of Eng land (run by TP&W) @ Granger Lake. If you need more info on
this, send me direct e-mail.
As far as shots, it's pretty much like any other animal. A double lung hit
is the desired, ethical shot placement.
Mike
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Robert H. Davis Jr.
I had seen a video where a guy was hunting in tall grass, when he spotted a
boar walking down a two track dirt road about 20 yards away and seemed
preoccupied with where he wanted to go. He hit the animal with what
appeared to be a double lung shot. What happened was almost comical. The
hog was knocked @ 2 foot side ways by the impact of the arrow with almost
equal ends of the arrow protruding from both sides and still continued to
walk down the road and out of sight. They did recover the animal, but what
a tough critter!
JimiFromMI
In article <01bd4e20$ace12c40$3125...@junk.ptd.net>, "Robert H. Davis Jr."
<rhd...@ptd.net> writes:
> He hit the animal with what
>appeared to be a double lung shot. What happened was almost comical. The
>hog was knocked @ 2 foot side ways by the impact of the arrow with almost
>equal ends of the arrow protruding from both sides and still continued to
>walk down the road and out of sight. They did recover the animal, but what
>a tough critter!
>--
>Bob D in PA
>
>
>
Sounds like it was dead on its feet. I've seen a heart-shot dear (and one
lung) walking away unaware of just what happened (windy day, didn't hear or
smell danger). The doe walked about 25 yards before finally getting tipsy.
Then it collapsed.
Laszlo Nobi
Robert H. Davis Jr. (rhd...@ptd.net) wrote:
: The
: hog was knocked @ 2 foot side ways by the impact of the arrow with almost
: equal ends of the arrow protruding from both sides and still continued to
: walk down the road and out of sight.
: Bob D in PA
Not to be nitpicky 8^), but an arrow doesn't have enough energy to knock a
hog 2 feet to the side. A typical arrow might have 60-70 foot-pounds of
energy, so even if the animal was on a frictionless surface, a 200 pound hog
would only move about 4 inches, assuming all of the energy is used to move
the hog in the direction of the arrow. A 400 pounder would only move half
of that. Considering that the hog is standing on the ground, he probably
wouldn't move at all. What you probably saw was the hog's reaction to the
shot, not the arrow knocking it sideways.
Laszlo
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On 17 Mar 1998 22:02:19 GMT, las...@fc.hp.com (Laszlo Nobi) wrote:
>Robert H. Davis Jr. (rhd...@ptd.net) wrote:
>: The
>: hog was knocked @ 2 foot side ways by the impact of the arrow with almost
>: equal ends of the arrow protruding from both sides and still continued to
>: walk down the road and out of sight.
>: --
>: Bob D in PA
>
>Not to be nitpicky 8^), but an arrow doesn't have enough energy to knock a
>hog 2 feet to the side. A typical arrow might have 60-70 foot-pounds of
>energy, so even if the animal was on a frictionless surface, a 200 pound hog
>would only move about 4 inches, assuming all of the energy is used to move
>the hog in the direction of the arrow. A 400 pounder would only move half
>of that. Considering that the hog is standing on the ground, he probably
>wouldn't move at all. What you probably saw was the hog's reaction to the
>shot, not the arrow knocking it sideways.
or possible the animal lost its balance and stumbled 2 feet to the
side.
Marty
P.E.T.A (People for the Ethical Termination of Antihunters)
Robert H. Davis Jr.
What I saw was a hog that did not have all four feet on the ground at the
same time, get hit by an arrow that did pass through completely and lost
most of its energy in the animals body. This is what caused it to side
step. I did not mean to give the impression that it lifted it up off the
ground and carried it 2 feet.
Bob D in PA
Laszlo Nobi <las...@fc.hp.com> wrote in article
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> Robert H. Davis Jr. (rhd...@ptd.net) wrote:
> : The
> : hog was knocked @ 2 foot side ways by the impact of the arrow with
almost
> : equal ends of the arrow protruding from both sides and still continued
to
> : walk down the road and out of sight.
> : --
> : Bob D in PA
>
> Not to be nitpicky 8^), but an arrow doesn't have enough energy to
knock a
> hog 2 feet to the side. A typical arrow might have 60-70 foot-pounds
of
> energy, so even if the animal was on a frictionless surface, a 200 pound
hog
> would only move about 4 inches, assuming all of the energy is used to
move
> the hog in the direction of the arrow. A 400 pounder would only move
half
> of that. Considering that the hog is standing on the ground, he
probably
> wouldn't move at all. What you probably saw was the hog's reaction to
the
> shot, not the arrow knocking it sideways.
>
Robert H. Davis Jr.
Sorry, I forgot a word. Should say "...arrow that did not pass through
completely..."
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Bob D in PA
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Ted Edwards
Laszlo Nobi wrote:
> ...
> energy, so even if the animal was on a frictionless surface, a 200 pound hog
Sorry, but your analysis is wrong. Momentum is conserved.
On a frictionless surface, if the arrow did not pass through, the arrow
and hog together would move away with the same MOMENTUM (not energy) as
before the hit. i.e. If the hog was standing still, after the arrow
hit, they would move away at a velocity of:
Varrow x WTarrow/(WTarrow+WThog)
and would keep moving indefinitely at that velocity. If you calculate
the KE before and after, you find some energy has been lost (because KE
is proportional to V squared). This energy went into heating the hog.
Possible instant BBQ? :-))
If the arrow passes through, the hog would move away slower because the
arrow carries away some unshared momentum.
Ted
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>> energy, so even if the animal was on a frictionless surface, a 200 pound hog
Don't you just LOVE it when you start a very specific, dead-serious
topic thread, and a bunch of dingbats come along and throw
it off-topic???
Ron M., who *still* wants input on feral hog shot placement..
gasp...pant....
Robert H. Davis Jr.
I wonder if they could answer this one? How much sh*t could a dip sh*t dip
if a dip sh*t could dip sh*t?
On a frictionless surface of course!
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Bob D in PA
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Ted Edwards
I seem to recall several posts (by people who seemed to know what they
were talking about) that stated the unsurprising answer that the best
shot was the usuall double lung shot.
Ted
Laszlo Nobi
Ted Edwards (Te...@bc.sympatico.ca) wrote:
: Laszlo Nobi wrote:
: > ...
: > energy, so even if the animal was on a frictionless surface, a 200 pound hog
: Sorry, but your analysis is wrong. Momentum is conserved.
: On a frictionless surface, if the arrow did not pass through, the arrow
: and hog together would move away with the same MOMENTUM (not energy) as
: before the hit. i.e. If the hog was standing still, after the arrow
: hit, they would move away at a velocity of:
: Varrow x WTarrow/(WTarrow+WThog)
: and would keep moving indefinitely at that velocity. If you calculate
: the KE before and after, you find some energy has been lost (because KE
: is proportional to V squared). This energy went into heating the hog.
Of course, you're right. I should have thought about it more before I
posted it. However, energy is also conserved....energy is work, and work is
force x distance. On a frictionelss surface, force is esentially zero. My
point is that an arrow can't knock a pig 2 feet to the side.
Laszlo
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National Rifle Association
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Dtrosper1
I can't believe I actually read everyone of these messages...
It would seem to me that the anatomy of a "feral" hog would be similar to that
of any other "hog" or four legged animal for that matter. If shot slightly
behind the front leg in the middle of the body (double lung) with the arrow
passing through...there would be enough blood on the ground to track the
critter, but if it (or any other critter) is hit abit high, they can bleed
inside and leave you with one or two drops to scratch your head over. The shot
is just as deadly none the less, but the tracking is the worst.
Don