Omagh: no accident
Klaus Wagner
Only for Agnostics (translated: people who don't know) can there be such a thing
as an accident. From my own experience I can tell you that these "accidents",
these apparently meaningless and unreasonable coincidences reveal the divine
influence on our lives.
Often the meaning of what is happening can only re realized with hindsight,
when we know how these apparently meaningless coincidences have added up
to shape our biography and direct human history.
The message from Omagh, particularly if it did not go the way it was planned,
is clear: along with bombs in American embassies, and various other apocalyptic
disasters happening today it shows that God is against us. These "Real IRA"
and other bombers are his tools, and everything is bound to get even worse
in the near future, until we get our act together, overthrow the present
destructive world-wide system to reach the next stage of human history.
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E II R can be calculated into 666 : 666 = 37 в 18, R is number 18
in the alphabet, and E, letter No 5, and the 2 ( from II )
can be calculated into 37 in the following way: 3=5-2 ; 7=5+2.
With kind regards Dr. Klaus Wagner
Multi-Media Apocalypse 2000 online: Our Future Revealed:
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Ancient biblical predictions about our present time and future.
Paul
Klaus Wagner wrote in message <35ef82a4...@192.168.100.3>...
>
>The message from Omagh, particularly if it did not go the way it was
planned,
>is clear:
Do you really think that the bomb didn't go to plan?
>along with bombs in American embassies, and various other apocalyptic
>disasters happening today it shows that God is against us. These "Real IRA"
>and other bombers are his tools,
And I thought that your "god" was supposed to be "good", or is this just
your way of excusing the bombers. If somebody blew up your family and/or
friends would you say "Oh it wasn't the fault of the bomber, he was being
pushed by god"??
>E II R can be calculated into 666 :
I think that if you do enough playing about with any word or phrase then you
will get 666, it's no big deal.
Niels Groeneveld
Are you claiming these fucking retards are holy messengers
Anna Bryant
>disasters happening today it shows that God is against us. These "Real IRA"
>in the near future, until we get our act together, overthrow the present
>destructive world-wide system to reach the next stage of human history.
What are you going on about? I hate it so much when people blame the
faults of the world on to God. You know when God created the world he
gave us free will, and it was at that point that Adam ate off the tree
of good and evil, etc, etc and sinned. He chose to do it. God did not
make him; in fact he did not want him to. This goes for the problems in
the world, including the Omagh bombing. Those people I can never
understand why they did it, but they chose to do it in any case and they
were wrong by doing it. They sinned. God is great to us tho as he
gives us a second choice. If we are truly sorry enough and make an
effort to change our lifestyles, he will forgive us. Because of his
grace. That means these evil people that planted the bomb in Omagh
Town, if they are sorry enough and truly mean it, God will forgive them.
It is not God's fault but man's own shortcoming.
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'Canon John Hay, who spent hours comforting relatives at the Tyrone County
Hosptital, said, 'I administered to people of all religions and I didn't notice
any difference in the colour of their blood. There was no orange and green
blood. It was the same colour blood flowing from everybody.'
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Klaus Wagner
> What are you going on about? I hate it so much when people blame the
> faults of the world on to God. You know when God created the world he
> gave us free will, and it was at that point that Adam ate off the tree
> of good and evil, etc, etc and sinned. He chose to do it. God did not
> make him; in fact he did not want him to.
I would never blame God, certainly not if he chooses to torture us
with disasters like wildfires, floods, bombs, etc. On the other hand,
if the idea of a god is to have any meaning, he must surely want
and agree to what is happening.
The question I am really interested in is:
Why do these things happen, and the Bible does give us an explanation here:
It is our unfaithfulness to divine law as laid down in the 10 Commandments
which is being punished: we worship the Unholy Trinity from Revelation,
chapter 14: Money, Superstars and the State, see:
> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/6672/r14.htm#9
And we are not only punished for this with "burning sulfur", but through
this punishment we are also forced to change our ways and create
a more advanced society founded on divine wisdom as pronounced
by various Jewish prophets such as Jesus.
Klaus Wagner
I had written:
> >The message from Omagh, particularly if it did not go the way it was
>> planned, is clear:
On Thu, 20 Aug 1998 03:29:01 +0100, "Paul" <ce...@cee.hw.ac.uk> replied:
> Do you really think that the bomb didn't go to plan?
So it was reported, and if the reports are correct, there are startling
parallels between the Omagh bombing and the accidental bombing of Pakistan.
The conclusion is: Coincidence (God in other words) is against
the Anglo-Americans. Whenever anybody does anything damaging to them,
God will make the most of it. It is now for the British and American people
to realize this and act: Forward all Clintons, Bliars and other corrupt liars
where they belong: on the rubbish dump of history.
> And I thought that your "god" was supposed to be "good", or is this just
> your way of excusing the bombers. If somebody blew up your family and/or
> friends would you say "Oh it wasn't the fault of the bomber, he was being
> pushed by god"??
If we do not settle for a world full od meaningless coincidences and assume
a higher intelligence who directs things, then we must also accept disasters,
try and understand their meaning and act accordingly.
If we work against the current of Cosmic law, we are getting nowhere.
If we know where things are going and gently push them into this direction,
we will be successful.
Anna Bryant
>> What are you going on about? I hate it so much when people blame the
>> faults of the world on to God. You know when God created the world he
>> gave us free will, and it was at that point that Adam ate off the tree
>> of good and evil, etc, etc and sinned. He chose to do it. God did not
>> make him; in fact he did not want him to.
>
>I would never blame God, certainly not if he chooses to torture us
>with disasters like wildfires, floods, bombs, etc. On the other hand,
>if the idea of a god is to have any meaning, he must surely want
>and agree to what is happening.
He no way agrees to what is happening. Don't you think he is crying his
heart out as he is watching what is happening in Omagh? As I said tho
he has given us a free will and he cannot stop us if we choose to do
evil things. He loves us enough to give us freedom and we can choose to
do what we want. He wants the best for us always which is why he has
given us the Bible as his guide-book to life. We choose to follow the
Ten Commandments and the Beatitudes. But we have to be obedient and
follow him. He cannot force us as we are not robots. And we have to
suffer the consequences, whether it be others actions or our own.
Natural disasters are different. The earth was made that way, but we
chose to build houses and live where there is a risk, like in Twister.
>
> And we are not only punished for this with "burning sulfur", but through
> this punishment we are also forced to change our ways and create
> a more advanced society founded on divine wisdom as pronounced
> by various Jewish prophets such as Jesus.
Jesus was not a prophet, he was the Messiah. He is the only way we can
get to God. Through his death on the cross he took all our sins we ever
did or ever will do. (Isaiah 53) Jesus led the way for us and made the
perfect example that we could follow. Other Old Testament figures like
David and Abraham were divinely used by God, but they were not perfect
like Jesus.
(Isaiah 53:9 '[Jesus] was placed in a grave with evil men, he was buried
with the rich, even though he never committed a crime or even told a
lie'.)
Jesus has given us the richest source of life we could ever ask for, you
know through him we have a second chance. We do not have to have
eternal punishment and 'burning sulphur' if we choose to change our
ways. You know, we don;t deserve it at all. We all deserve to die, so
why make it sound like it is so hard?
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'Only changed people change this world.'
Patefield@dial.pipex.com Richard Patefield
>You know when God created the world he
> gave us free will, and it was at that point that Adam ate off the tree
>of good and evil, etc, etc and sinned.
In case it is possible to reason with you Anna, this group
(alt.radio.uk.talk-radio) has been suffering the attentions of Dr. Dork for
a while now and whilst some on this group find that his insane burblings are
sometimes diverting (I generally filter him but I get long vapour trails
from flames in reply to his messages) the last thing needful on Usenet is
somebody trying to debate the "The Nature of Ghod" with him ACROSS FIVE
GROUPS.
I'm sure he would love to continue discussing the issues you raise with you
but I for one don't wish to see huge cascades of cross-posted and
irrelevant messages of ever increasing size down my screen.
I AM READING ALT.TALK.UK.TALK-RADIO AFTER ALL!!!!!
It's my guess that Dr. Dork only posts on Usenet to be controversial,
attract flames and advertise his website.
By not editing the newsgroups line and cross-posting on his back you are
contributing to this nuisance.
If you need any help or advice about posting to Usenet be nice and some kind
members of your group will help you out. (Not me I hasten to add!) The faq
is a good place to start.
Incidentally, do you have any connection with Anne O'brien aka Granny
Grunch, who recently posted to ARUT-R about James Whale?
Richard
Sorry to all for cross-posting this message but I have no idea which group
Anna is on.
If you want to reply to this please edit the newsgroups line to leave only
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Klaus Wagner
pa...@COMPASSanomaly.co.uk (Paul Gledhill) replied:
> Would people who are replying also kindly trim the above group, we are
> absolutely fed up with the off-topic rantings of this man.
> Thanks.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion but I am getting fed up
with your crude attempts to censor Usenet discussion.
Klaus Wagner
These bombings are the result of evil perpetrated by British policies towards
Ireland over the centuries. As the Old Abusive Class System of the Empire
is still in place today, the bombings are also a divine plot to bring this
system down. Whether you say that bombings are caused by human evil
or whether you say they are God's punishment does not matter.
Just different words for the same thing.
Klaus Wagner
pa...@COMPASSanomaly.co.uk (Paul Gledhill) replied:
> BTW you do all know that dear old Klauss has been arrested for
> stalking the Queen and also was struck off the medical register for
> prescribing himself methadone, don't you? No, thought not.....
I have never prescribed Methadone for myself, and even if I had, there would not
have been any reason to arrest me for it, and it did not happen either.
I did "stalk" the Queen, if you can use this expression in this context at all,
but was not arrested for this either.
Stalking the Queen would just be too ridiculous a charge to arrest anybody for.
Political protest is still supposed to be legal in Britain despite New Labour.
J Fisher
: Jesus has given us the richest source of life we could ever ask for, you
: know through him we have a second chance. We do not have to have
: eternal punishment and 'burning sulphur' if we choose to change our
: ways. You know, we don;t deserve it at all. We all deserve to die, so
: why make it sound like it is so hard?
Why do we all deserve to die? I have known a few, a very
few extremely wicked people in my life, but no-one,
absolutely no-one, whose behaviour deserved death. On the
contrary, I have known many people whose behaviour staggers
and amazes me by their kindness, selflessness and courage.
Still less have I met anyone, nor can I imagine anyone, who
deserves eternal (eternal!!) punishment.
You have a very hateful view of humanity.
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--John
Jamie (Not James) Jones
Klaus Wagner <Rider.on.the...@t-online.de>
wrote in newsgroup alt.radio.uk.talk-radio:
>You are certainly entitled to your opinion but I am getting fed up
>with your crude attempts to censor Usenet discussion.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I am getting fed up with
your crude attempts to effectively censor *our* Usenet discussion.
Not tolerating someone who runs into a meeting, screaming about an unrelated
issue is NOT censorship, it's simply a reaction to your lack of manners.
No-one here has told you to SHUTUP, they've just told you to SHUTUP on
the alt.radio.uk.talk-radio group.
There's a difference.
Jamie