@ IT'S BEYOND HUMAN TO COME UP WITH ANY NEW GOOD PREDICTION OF THE END OF THE WORLD !

[OB...@aol.com]

You can see it or feel it by visiting the groups I post . Lately I
have a dry time in making any calculations related to the end of the
world .
It is like the era for calculations has just ended or so .

You think it is easy you can try to challege my assumption by reaching
to the best human sources including the best computers gurus with the
best elctronic computers ( electronic brains ) or if yoy think any
metally sick person can do that you go any mental facility near you
and get me the calculations concerning the end of the world when it
may happen.

I am giving you the best choices from both isles of the human mind and
you get it for me .

Only God of the Bible can guide us according to His established
program called endtime plan to any good reliable information
concerning the timeline of our history .

Any person doing any predictions must be a distinctive servant of
God .
The International Bible Students were in their time the most
distinctive christian organization to heed to .They had the only
legitimate basis to make any endtime predictions. Jehovah's Witnesses
were the next in line .

And then God Yahweh in His plan decided to use some individual or
individuals to make the endtime predictions .
This is my valid legitimate basis to make endtime predictions using
Luke 9.49-50 .This is one reference says it all .
There might be some individual chosen or approved of God who can do on
his own do a great job of serving God and that includes the endtime
predictions .
I believe that one individual mentioned in the reference and
purposefully placed in the Bible was a single seperate servant of God
and Jesus at the time when the destruction of Jerusalem likened to the
end of the world was going to take place and he was warning all
christians and the Jewish nation of imminent coming end to Jerusalem.

So now in the end time knowing God repeats many things in the history
it would be nicely fitting that some individual working for God and
Jesus indpendently did the same warning , the same job .
The mentioned reference must be fully fullfilled .
It cannot be one individual who opposes all religions like Harold
Camping was . He could have been a very good candidate to fulfill
that reference or prophecy but on this one single point : his
opposition to all religions he could be disqualified !

You can notice in my teachings that I am against many religions, but
not all of them ! I am excluding the International Bible Students and
now I must exclude Jehovah's Witnesses who are their legitimate
successors by sticking to the name Watchtower .
And I proved that beyond any doubt by using proper sets of dates that
fit one way or the other the date sets : 29 AD - 33 AD - 36 AD when
the true christian religion was established that destroyed all other
religions .

These new religions of the endtime must bear a destructive character
to all other religions .
My views oppose all other religions just as the views of the
International Bible Students were and Jehovah's Witnesses are .
In simple words there are no other religions that God of the Bible
approves of today .
Of course our fight is in words by teachings , not by using any force
on any one . This is the most peacefull method of annihilation of
wrong , bad religions .
We must peacefully coexist .At my workplace you could see that very
well.
You could not imagine that such a thing can happen what is happening
at my workplace.

It is God's task to annihilate false religions sometime in the future
with extraordinary forcefull manner and He can alone do it and will do
it as the whole earth belongs to Him and He is going to create the
best living conditions for His people who will inherit this earth and
live a true happy lives .
This new perfect life should be so much most desired by the true
christians as it will last forever .
God of the Bible is going to give His people everlasting existence .
This present life that can go for say 100 years or so is nothing when
compared with ,say, 100 000 000 000 years of life in the Paradise.
100 years is not even 0.001 % .

To wait for a car one year in this life is like 1% of the present
lifetime .
To wait 100 000 000 000 years for something in the Paradise is not
even
0.000000000000001% of the eternal lifetime !

Who would not want to engage in making predictions when the end of
this evil world comes and God's Kingdom comes when we can live
eternally ?!
The best job that is now is to learn when the Loving God YAHWEH is
going to give us this awesome eternal life.

I have been doing the best -that I could - job under the sun by
being involved in making predictions towards that purpose .If you are
on this group and discovering many good things from what God gave me
to share with you thank God for that !
You can see around how people are wasting precious time by going to
nowhere !
100 hunderd years from now you will not exist at all or will be
living a happy life .Many from those living today will not exist
anymore in the whole eternity .This is why Jesus was weeping when
teaching about life .
You can lose job,wife, house ,money but you cannot afford to lose this
awesome hope of eternal life .

Any reliable prediction that is a prediction based on the Bible made
by an approved servant of God simply counts whatever final result. The
matter is too serious to ignore it . Even a chance like 1 to 80 000
000 given to a prediction counts !
You can see how people get in lines when a jackpot ,say, 100 000 000
dollars is in place and all people buying tickets count on hitting a
jackpot; even making prelimanary plans if they win when chances of
winning are
1 in 80 000 000 .
Life in the Paradise is much more important than winning 100 000 000
dollars !
Basically any prediction when God's Kingdom may come should be taken
into account .

http://www.focusonthebible2011.com

[OB...@aol.com]

---
Whatever prediction and its accuracy , chances are higher that the end
of the world will get you faster than your chances of winning a
jackpot . So now what you should think then ? Recall people standing
in line for lottery tickets to hit a jackpot and how they dream .


http://www.focusonthebible2011.com

[vince garcia]

OB...@aol.com wrote:
>
> You can see it or feel it by visiting the groups I post . Lately I
> have a dry time in making any calculations related to the end of the
> world .
> It is like the era for calculations has just ended or so .

Good--because satan is the one inspiring all your calculations,

>
> You think it is easy you can try to challege my assumption by reaching
> to the best human sources including the best computers gurus with the
> best elctronic computers ( electronic brains ) or if yoy think any
> metally sick person can do that you go any mental facility near you
> and get me the calculations concerning the end of the world when it
> may happen.
>
> I am giving you the best choices from both isles of the human mind and
> you get it for me .
>
> Only God of the Bible can guide us according to His established
> program called endtime plan to any good reliable information
> concerning the timeline of our history .
>
> Any person doing any predictions must be a distinctive servant of
> God .
> The International Bible Students were in their time the most
> distinctive christian organization to heed to .They had the only
> legitimate basis to make any endtime predictions. Jehovah's Witnesses
> were the next in line .

And they are equally incompetant false prophets, deceiving others while
being deceived themselves. You are their child, following suit.

>
> And then God Yahweh in His plan decided to use some individual or
> individuals to make the endtime predictions .
> This is my valid legitimate basis to make endtime predictions using
> Luke 9.49-50 .This is one reference says it all .
> There might be some individual chosen or approved of God who can do on
> his own do a great job of serving God and that includes the endtime
> predictions .
> I believe that one individual mentioned in the reference and
> purposefully placed in the Bible was a single seperate servant of God
> and Jesus at the time when the destruction of Jerusalem likened to the
> end of the world was going to take place and he was warning all
> christians and the Jewish nation of imminent coming end to Jerusalem.
>
> So now in the end time knowing God repeats many things in the history
> it would be nicely fitting that some individual working for God and
> Jesus indpendently did the same warning , the same job .
> The mentioned reference must be fully fullfilled .
> It cannot be one individual who opposes all religions like Harold
> Camping was . He could have been a very good candidate to fulfill
> that reference or prophecy but on this one single point : his
> opposition to all religions he could be disqualified !
>
> You can notice in my teachings that I am against many religions, but
> not all of them ! I am excluding the International Bible Students and
> now I must exclude Jehovah's Witnesses who are their legitimate
> successors by sticking to the name Watchtower .

And you are excluded from the truith and the Kingdom of God as those
false prophers are.

Thaink Jesus came back in 1914?

Think Abraham Isaac and Jacob rose from the dead in 1929?

You're of your father the devil, spouting his lies. Stop praising the
group whose record of failure is 100% just as yours is. God is a God of
truth, not lies. Both you and they have a record of false prophecy and
completely incompetant Bible teaching


REPENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> And I proved that beyond any doubt by using proper sets of dates that
> fit one way or the other the date sets : 29 AD - 33 AD - 36 AD when
> the true christian religion was established that destroyed all other
> religions .

You prove beyond any doubt you are a FALSE PROPHET

>
> These new religions of the endtime must bear a destructive character
> to all other religions .
> My views oppose all other religions just as the views of the
> International Bible Students were and Jehovah's Witnesses are .
> In simple words there are no other religions that God of the Bible
> approves of today .
> Of course our fight is in words by teachings , not by using any force
> on any one . This is the most peacefull method of annihilation of
> wrong , bad religions .
> We must peacefully coexist .At my workplace you could see that very
> well.
> You could not imagine that such a thing can happen what is happening
> at my workplace.
>
> It is God's task to annihilate false religions sometime in the future
> with extraordinary forcefull manner and He can alone do it and will do
> it as the whole earth belongs to Him and He is going to create the
> best living conditions for His people who will inherit this earth and
> live a true happy lives .

All you are doing is fortelling your own fate. THAT is the one prophecy
that WILL come true

171711 = 1 17 21 37 41 1

> You can see how people get in lines when a jackpot ,say, 100 000 000
> dollars is in place and all people buying tickets count on hitting a
> jackpot; even making prelimanary plans if they win when chances of
> winning are
> 1 in 80 000 000 .
> Life in the Paradise is much more important than winning 100 000 000
> dollars !
> Basically any prediction when God's Kingdom may come should be taken
> into account .

Not when it is from a liar and false prophet.

[vince garcia]

[Misanthropic Curmudgeon]

On Apr 28, 9:34 am, "OB...@aol.com" <OB...@aol.com> wrote:
[snip OBVES dribble]

So you're claim demi-god status now (given your claiming its beyond
human to do predictions and you continue with your predictions)?

You really need help, OBVES. You've wasted something precious - your
life. Go into can hospital and you will see score of people who would
give anything for what you have spent 30-odd years wasting.

You believe your god gave you a life, And here you are squandering
it, and therefore spitting in the eye of this god you profess to
follow.

[vince garcia]

Perhaps it's good you're keeping silent, because your posts are truly
wearisome. The bottom line is, whether it's you, the JWs or anyone else,
when you set dates for the return of Christ that fail to come to pass,
you are showing what incompetent Bible teachers you are. Add to that
when you claim to be the only denomination on earth that God approves
of, with a divine stamp of approval other churches do not have to
interpret and teach the scripture, you will exclude yourselves from the
kingdom by ultimately creating/following a Christ that is not the Christ
of orthodoxy, but a Christ of the wrong nature (an angel in this case,
rather than God in flesh) who has no power to save from sin, because he
is an imperfect sacrifice because he is not an infinitely perfect
sacrifice to deal with sin; and you will invent a way of salvation that
is the wrong way of salvation; and finally, by declaring that the rest
of Christianity are not really saved because only your own group is, you
will, through all those means, wind up condemning yourself.

It's inevitable

[vince garcia]

OB...@aol.com wrote:
>

>
> You can notice in my teachings that I am against many religions, but
> not all of them ! I am excluding the International Bible Students and
> now I must exclude Jehovah's Witnesses who are their legitimate
> successors by sticking to the name Watchtower .

When you hold that your denomination is the only one God approves of,
you are deceiving others while being deceived yourself, Obves.

READ MARK 9

[Rod]

On 4/30/2013 3:19 PM, Pete wrote:

> From this post I gather that he favors the JW's. The organization is lead
> and has been lead by LIARS and false prophets from the beginning.
>
>

The problem is that many churches and members say the very same
things about other churches. You yourself have been accused of being
false and a liar. Christ made a good point, and it's a goddamned shame
that Christians keep ignoring it:

If satan be divided against satan, how then will his kingdom stand ?


Any Christians get the hint NOW ???

[Sam Taylor]

"Pete" wrote in message news:JHVft.2111$hl7...@newsfe14.iad...

On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 04:31:58 -0700, vince garcia wrote:

From this post I gather that he favors the JW's. The organization is lead
and has been lead by LIARS and false prophets from the beginning.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
They Actually believe the Messiah is an Angel.
Michael the Archangel, and NOT the only
begotten Son of G-D.
BUT they do have some Unique Beliefs, that are
so close to the truth, but they Miss the mark.
They have a hierarchy much like Catholics
and mormons
Sam
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

--
Peter
A living Stone
A Disciple of The Lord Jesus Christ
Joh 13:34-35 KJV

[Sam Taylor]

"Sam Taylor" wrote in message news:...

"Pete" wrote in message news:JHVft.2111$hl7...@newsfe14.iad...

On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 04:31:58 -0700, vince garcia wrote:

> OB...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>
>>
>> You can notice in my teachings that I am against many religions, but
>> not all of them ! I am excluding the International Bible Students and
>> now I must exclude Jehovah's Witnesses who are their legitimate
>> successors by sticking to the name Watchtower .
>
> When you hold that your denomination is the only one God approves of,
> you are deceiving others while being deceived yourself, Obves.
>
> READ MARK 9

From this post I gather that he favors the JW's. The organization is lead
and has been lead by LIARS and false prophets from the beginning.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
They Actually believe the Messiah is an Angel.
Michael the Archangel, and NOT the only
begotten Son of G-D.
BUT they do have some Unique Beliefs, that are
so close to the truth, but they Miss the mark.
They have a hierarchy much like Catholics
and mormons
Sam

=======================================================================
Closer to C.T. Russell's teaching is the Fort Worth bible students of Texas
they are the decendents of the real international bible Students, and
Zions watchtower, they republish the early Russel writings.
Sam
======================================================================

[vince garcia]

Pete wrote:
>
> On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 04:31:58 -0700, vince garcia wrote:
>

> From this post I gather that he favors the JW's. The organization is lead
> and has been lead by LIARS and false prophets from the beginning.
>

> --
> Peter
> A living Stone
> A Disciple of The Lord Jesus Christ
> Joh 13:34-35 KJV

Yes, he seems to admire people who make false prophecies about the
return of Christ. He also admires Camping, and keeps praising him as a
brilliant Bible teacher, which he isn't. The only thing Camping and the
JWs really have in common is being wrong about date setting. It's not
like they have identical theology

I guess if you're willing to set dates and be wrong, Obves will admire
you

[vince garcia]

Pete wrote:

> Rod, this group has been listed as a cult since its inception. I am going
> to try and keep the rest of this to a minimum for lengths sake. They have
> never been Christian. Jesus Christ to them is far different than the NT
> teaches. They claimed at one time to be witnesses of God, not Jesus. They
> claimed to be the 144 thousand Jews that were to testify in the end, that
> they were the only ones going to heaven. Then they bought homes in San
> Diego for the return of Some of Gods people. (never happened) They taught
> simply that if a prophet made a mistake he was to be thrown out and
> scorned. They couldn't, it was their leaders, so they all lied to each
> other and made changes. Actually many many changes over the years. They
> have tried to destroy all their old teaching books to cover up.
>
> Then when they got too large for the 144 thousand they said that only the
> select spiritual would be of the 144 thousand, everyone else would sleep
> outside, or live outside the city like dogs. As more came in then some that
> were on the inside of the 144k were demoted and put outside so that they
> lost what "good" they had. They are or were, to shun all family members
> that were not JW's. Too them everyone else is an outsider and will never
> make it to heaven.
>
> At one time they taught that God would tap dead people on the shoulder when
> all was said and done and offer them a chance at heaven if they wanted. (I
> don't know if that part has changed)
>
> They have modified definitions of words so what a normal believer might say
> means something entirely different to them.
>
> They now have their own bible, even so it is subject to constant revision.
>
>

I got down on James for the NWT alteration of Hebews on this passage:

Hebrews 1:8 ASV
American Standard Version
but of the Son [he saith,] Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever; And
the sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Everyone translates that way, of course, because that's the right way to
translate it



NWT
But with reference to the Son: �God is your throne forever and ever, and
[the] scepter of your kingdom is the scepter of uprightness

See how it is totally changed BY THEM to dillute the deity of Christ?

The stupidity of that incompetant translation, trying to say "God is
your thone" is amazing!

So an angel sits on God's face?! The entire concept would give the angel
superiority over God since the throne is what a ruler sits upon!

But this is what the JWs must do to uphold their doctrine--pervert
scripture in this manner.

[Sam Taylor]

"Sam Taylor" wrote in message news:%BXft.9674$Zw....@newsfe21.iad...

"Sam Taylor" wrote in message news:...



"Pete" wrote in message news:JHVft.2111$hl7...@newsfe14.iad...

On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 04:31:58 -0700, vince garcia wrote:

> OB...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>
>>
>> You can notice in my teachings that I am against many religions, but
>> not all of them ! I am excluding the International Bible Students and
>> now I must exclude Jehovah's Witnesses who are their legitimate
>> successors by sticking to the name Watchtower .
>
> When you hold that your denomination is the only one God approves of,
> you are deceiving others while being deceived yourself, Obves.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sam adds,
Here is the test, "Anyone who denies The Messiah Came in the Flesh.(PERIOD)
Scripture does not add as half flesh, and half G-D.
That is mans deception
THEN I WILL ADD
Anyone whom Denies The messiah is the "ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF G-D"
Lies in deception.
the J.W.'s believe he is the First adopted Angelic Son of G-D
Sam
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

c cHI

[Sam Taylor]

"Pete" wrote in message news:fHggt.26416$dd6....@newsfe26.iad...

I wonder how those students put up with all the known errors. Do they all
have standard cheat sheets that stat this means y and the old m now equals
B? I used to know a bunch of those people as they were working their way
through the late 60's and 70's having to deal with the spiritual renewal of
the time and Born Again and so on. Ditching the Green book, Red book and so
on because of all the flaws plus having to deal with the members false
prophets.
What a mess. They all knew I was not a hove jove yet the called me one of
the "spiritual ones". All I could do was show them and pray that they might
see after a lot of on/off speaking. Most were real nice and sincere, but
sadly sincerely wrong,

Dear Pete,
most other groups, have most Members who honor G-D With their
Lips, and their hearts far from Him, mostly upon Themselves.
They do Sincerely both love, and fear G-D, and are Workin
their Tails off Selling the Publications.
They snare with showing biblical truths, then they gladly
accept the lies that Follow.
But most Study, but never just plain Read the Scriptures,
and see just how close, and how far they are to the "Truth"
The buzz Word they use for being a J.W. is being in
the "Truth"
Love
Sam

[Sam Taylor]

"Pete" wrote in message news:54ogt.45016$EC3....@newsfe20.iad...

Well put!

You cannot Say of them, that they are Hipacrits,
they are Sincere, and pay for that Sincerity,
By the isolation they build for themselves.
Much like the Aamish, Hutterites, and dubikors.
But this I know G-D judges NOT from the Seeing
of the eyes, nor Hearing of the ears, but the thoughts
and intent of the Heart, so they have a better chance,
than Most whom populate the pews in most Churches.

[Sam Taylor]

"Pete" wrote in message news:QKAgt.8931$GU1....@newsfe18.iad...

Yet Sam, they (JW's) are lost. Just like the Mormons and others.

Jesus said, I am the way, the truth and the life, no many comes unto the
father but through me. An inescapable fact of eternal life.

I do not believe in Salvation by Doctrine,as We know in Part.
and the grace of G-D is bigger, than our Imaginations.
I firmly believe Many Who have never heard the name
Yahshua Shall receive a chance in the RESSURECTIONS (Plural)
But Since it is not My job to be THAT judge, I should
add it is my hope.
love

[Sam Taylor]

"Pete" wrote in message news:PcJgt.36047$oP1....@newsfe08.iad...

The word is clear. Islam too teaches only one way, as do many other
religions. All major religions believe there is only one way. There's.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Yet the Scripture state the Books were Opened, not just One Book,
not just two books, But three Books (that we know of)
The book of Life, and Messiah said Those whom knew him NOT,
but did it to the Least of his brotheren, would be noted.
I believe in the book of Life.
There are those in a Book of death, and a Book of the acts of the rest.
I believe many who have never Heard of the messiah, will be in
the Ressurections (PLURAL)
Any group that thinks it alone is the Fleshly Representative of G-D
are Wrong, For it is not a Fleshly Body, but a Spiritual body He speaks.
For as many as are Led by the Spirit, the same are the Son's and
Daughters of G-D.
each Member of the body individually are Uniquely Led in that Body.
Bride, and Church, and each of those are in themselves Uniquely
a member of the family of G-D
Love

[Terry Cross]

On May 3, 11:18 am, "Sam Taylor" <cyg...@cncnet.com> wrote:
> "Pete"  wrote in messagenews:PcJgt.36047$oP1....@newsfe08.iad...

> On Thu, 2 May 2013 14:48:57 -0700, Sam Taylor wrote:

> > "Pete"  wrote in messagenews:QKAgt.8931$GU1....@newsfe18.iad...

>
> > On Thu, 2 May 2013 08:38:13 -0700, Sam Taylor wrote:
>

> >> "Pete"  wrote in messagenews:54ogt.45016$EC3....@newsfe20.iad...

>
> >> On Wed, 1 May 2013 19:02:36 -0700, Sam Taylor wrote:
>

> >>> "Pete"  wrote in messagenews:fHggt.26416$dd6....@newsfe26.iad...

>
> >>> On Wed, 1 May 2013 13:11:16 -0700, Sam Taylor wrote:
>

> >>>> "Sam Taylor"  wrote in messagenews:%BXft.9674$Zw....@newsfe21.iad...

>
> >>>> "Sam Taylor"  wrote in message news:...
>

> >>>> "Pete"  wrote in messagenews:JHVft.2111$hl7...@newsfe14.iad...

> the Resurrections  (PLURAL)

> Any group that thinks it alone is the Fleshly Representative of G-D
> are Wrong, For it is not a Fleshly Body, but a Spiritual body He speaks.
> For as many as are Led by the Spirit, the same are the Son's and
> Daughters of G-D.
> each Member of the body individually are Uniquely Led in that Body.
> Bride, and Church, and each of those are in themselves Uniquely
> a member of the family of G-D
> Love
> Sam

And in this do I find greater agreement with Sam than with any other.

TCross