Only for Agnostics (translated: people who don't know) can there be such a thing as an accident. From my own experience I can tell you that these "accidents", these apparently meaningless and unreasonable coincidences reveal the divine influence on our lives.
Often the meaning of what is happening can only re realized with hindsight, when we know how these apparently meaningless coincidences have added up to shape our biography and direct human history.
The message from Omagh, particularly if it did not go the way it was planned, is clear: along with bombs in American embassies, and various other apocalyptic disasters happening today it shows that God is against us. These "Real IRA" and other bombers are his tools, and everything is bound to get even worse in the near future, until we get our act together, overthrow the present destructive world-wide system to reach the next stage of human history.
-- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- E II R can be calculated into 666 : 666 = 37 × 18, R is number 18 in the alphabet, and E, letter No 5, and the 2 ( from II ) can be calculated into 37 in the following way: 3=5-2 ; 7=5+2.
With kind regards Dr. Klaus Wagner Multi-Media Apocalypse 2000 online: Our Future Revealed:
Klaus Wagner wrote in message <35ef82a4.18840...@192.168.100.3>...
>The message from Omagh, particularly if it did not go the way it was planned, >is clear:
Do you really think that the bomb didn't go to plan?
>along with bombs in American embassies, and various other apocalyptic >disasters happening today it shows that God is against us. These "Real IRA" >and other bombers are his tools,
And I thought that your "god" was supposed to be "good", or is this just your way of excusing the bombers. If somebody blew up your family and/or friends would you say "Oh it wasn't the fault of the bomber, he was being pushed by god"??
>E II R can be calculated into 666 :
I think that if you do enough playing about with any word or phrase then you will get 666, it's no big deal.
>The message from Omagh, particularly if it did not go the way it was planned, >is clear: along with bombs in American embassies, and various other apocalyptic >disasters happening today it shows that God is against us. These "Real IRA" >and other bombers are his tools, and everything is bound to get even worse >in the near future, until we get our act together, overthrow the present >destructive world-wide system to reach the next stage of human history.
What are you going on about? I hate it so much when people blame the faults of the world on to God. You know when God created the world he gave us free will, and it was at that point that Adam ate off the tree of good and evil, etc, etc and sinned. He chose to do it. God did not make him; in fact he did not want him to. This goes for the problems in the world, including the Omagh bombing. Those people I can never understand why they did it, but they chose to do it in any case and they were wrong by doing it. They sinned. God is great to us tho as he gives us a second choice. If we are truly sorry enough and make an effort to change our lifestyles, he will forgive us. Because of his grace. That means these evil people that planted the bomb in Omagh Town, if they are sorry enough and truly mean it, God will forgive them. It is not God's fault but man's own shortcoming.
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On Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:13:15 +0100, Anna Bryant <a...@screammy.co.uk> wrote: > What are you going on about? I hate it so much when people blame the > faults of the world on to God. You know when God created the world he > gave us free will, and it was at that point that Adam ate off the tree > of good and evil, etc, etc and sinned. He chose to do it. God did not > make him; in fact he did not want him to.
I would never blame God, certainly not if he chooses to torture us with disasters like wildfires, floods, bombs, etc. On the other hand, if the idea of a god is to have any meaning, he must surely want and agree to what is happening.
The question I am really interested in is:
Why do these things happen, and the Bible does give us an explanation here: It is our unfaithfulness to divine law as laid down in the 10 Commandments which is being punished: we worship the Unholy Trinity from Revelation, chapter 14: Money, Superstars and the State, see:
And we are not only punished for this with "burning sulfur", but through this punishment we are also forced to change our ways and create a more advanced society founded on divine wisdom as pronounced by various Jewish prophets such as Jesus.
-- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- E II R can be calculated into 666 : 666 = 37 × 18, R is number 18 in the alphabet, and E, letter No 5, and the 2 ( from II ) can be calculated into 37 in the following way: 3=5-2 ; 7=5+2.
With kind regards Dr. Klaus Wagner Multi-Media Apocalypse 2000 online: Our Future Revealed:
> >The message from Omagh, particularly if it did not go the way it was >> planned, is clear:
On Thu, 20 Aug 1998 03:29:01 +0100, "Paul" <ce...@cee.hw.ac.uk> replied:
> Do you really think that the bomb didn't go to plan?
So it was reported, and if the reports are correct, there are startling parallels between the Omagh bombing and the accidental bombing of Pakistan.
The conclusion is: Coincidence (God in other words) is against the Anglo-Americans. Whenever anybody does anything damaging to them, God will make the most of it. It is now for the British and American people to realize this and act: Forward all Clintons, Bliars and other corrupt liars where they belong: on the rubbish dump of history.
> And I thought that your "god" was supposed to be "good", or is this just > your way of excusing the bombers. If somebody blew up your family and/or > friends would you say "Oh it wasn't the fault of the bomber, he was being > pushed by god"??
If we do not settle for a world full od meaningless coincidences and assume a higher intelligence who directs things, then we must also accept disasters, try and understand their meaning and act accordingly.
If we work against the current of Cosmic law, we are getting nowhere. If we know where things are going and gently push them into this direction, we will be successful.
-- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- E II R can be calculated into 666 : 666 = 37 × 18, R is number 18 in the alphabet, and E, letter No 5, and the 2 ( from II ) can be calculated into 37 in the following way: 3=5-2 ; 7=5+2.
With kind regards Dr. Klaus Wagner Multi-Media Apocalypse 2000 online: Our Future Revealed:
>> What are you going on about? I hate it so much when people blame the >> faults of the world on to God. You know when God created the world he >> gave us free will, and it was at that point that Adam ate off the tree >> of good and evil, etc, etc and sinned. He chose to do it. God did not >> make him; in fact he did not want him to.
>I would never blame God, certainly not if he chooses to torture us >with disasters like wildfires, floods, bombs, etc. On the other hand, >if the idea of a god is to have any meaning, he must surely want >and agree to what is happening.
He no way agrees to what is happening. Don't you think he is crying his heart out as he is watching what is happening in Omagh? As I said tho he has given us a free will and he cannot stop us if we choose to do evil things. He loves us enough to give us freedom and we can choose to do what we want. He wants the best for us always which is why he has given us the Bible as his guide-book to life. We choose to follow the Ten Commandments and the Beatitudes. But we have to be obedient and follow him. He cannot force us as we are not robots. And we have to suffer the consequences, whether it be others actions or our own. Natural disasters are different. The earth was made that way, but we chose to build houses and live where there is a risk, like in Twister.
> And we are not only punished for this with "burning sulfur", but through > this punishment we are also forced to change our ways and create > a more advanced society founded on divine wisdom as pronounced > by various Jewish prophets such as Jesus.
Jesus was not a prophet, he was the Messiah. He is the only way we can get to God. Through his death on the cross he took all our sins we ever did or ever will do. (Isaiah 53) Jesus led the way for us and made the perfect example that we could follow. Other Old Testament figures like David and Abraham were divinely used by God, but they were not perfect like Jesus. (Isaiah 53:9 '[Jesus] was placed in a grave with evil men, he was buried with the rich, even though he never committed a crime or even told a lie'.)
Jesus has given us the richest source of life we could ever ask for, you know through him we have a second chance. We do not have to have eternal punishment and 'burning sulphur' if we choose to change our ways. You know, we don;t deserve it at all. We all deserve to die, so why make it sound like it is so hard?
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Anna Bryant wrote in message ... >You know when God created the world he > gave us free will, and it was at that point that Adam ate off the tree >of good and evil, etc, etc and sinned.
In case it is possible to reason with you Anna, this group (alt.radio.uk.talk-radio) has been suffering the attentions of Dr. Dork for a while now and whilst some on this group find that his insane burblings are sometimes diverting (I generally filter him but I get long vapour trails from flames in reply to his messages) the last thing needful on Usenet is somebody trying to debate the "The Nature of Ghod" with him ACROSS FIVE GROUPS. I'm sure he would love to continue discussing the issues you raise with you but I for one don't wish to see huge cascades of cross-posted and irrelevant messages of ever increasing size down my screen.
I AM READING ALT.TALK.UK.TALK-RADIO AFTER ALL!!!!!
It's my guess that Dr. Dork only posts on Usenet to be controversial, attract flames and advertise his website. By not editing the newsgroups line and cross-posting on his back you are contributing to this nuisance.
If you need any help or advice about posting to Usenet be nice and some kind members of your group will help you out. (Not me I hasten to add!) The faq is a good place to start.
Incidentally, do you have any connection with Anne O'brien aka Granny Grunch, who recently posted to ARUT-R about James Whale?
Richard
Sorry to all for cross-posting this message but I have no idea which group Anna is on. If you want to reply to this please edit the newsgroups line to leave only ARUT-R.
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On Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:50:27 GMT, p...@COMPASSanomaly.co.uk (Paul Gledhill) replied:
> Would people who are replying also kindly trim the above group, we are > absolutely fed up with the off-topic rantings of this man. > Thanks.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion but I am getting fed up with your crude attempts to censor Usenet discussion.
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With kind regards Dr. Klaus Wagner Multi-Media Apocalypse 2000 online: Our Future Revealed:
Niels Groeneveld <nie...@euronet.nl> wrote: > Yeah sure... God is sending terrorists to earth... > Are you claiming these fucking retards are holy messengers
These bombings are the result of evil perpetrated by British policies towards Ireland over the centuries. As the Old Abusive Class System of the Empire is still in place today, the bombings are also a divine plot to bring this system down. Whether you say that bombings are caused by human evil or whether you say they are God's punishment does not matter. Just different words for the same thing.
-- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- E II R can be calculated into 666 : 666 = 37 × 18, R is number 18 in the alphabet, and E, letter No 5, and the 2 ( from II ) can be calculated into 37 in the following way: 3=5-2 ; 7=5+2.
With kind regards Dr. Klaus Wagner Multi-Media Apocalypse 2000 online: Our Future Revealed:
On Sun, 23 Aug 1998 08:38:33 GMT, p...@COMPASSanomaly.co.uk (Paul Gledhill) replied:
> BTW you do all know that dear old Klauss has been arrested for > stalking the Queen and also was struck off the medical register for > prescribing himself methadone, don't you? No, thought not.....
I have never prescribed Methadone for myself, and even if I had, there would not have been any reason to arrest me for it, and it did not happen either.
I did "stalk" the Queen, if you can use this expression in this context at all, but was not arrested for this either. Stalking the Queen would just be too ridiculous a charge to arrest anybody for. Political protest is still supposed to be legal in Britain despite New Labour.
-- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- E II R can be calculated into 666 : 666 = 37 × 18, R is number 18 in the alphabet, and E, letter No 5, and the 2 ( from II ) can be calculated into 37 in the following way: 3=5-2 ; 7=5+2.
With kind regards Dr. Klaus Wagner Multi-Media Apocalypse 2000 online: Our Future Revealed:
: Jesus has given us the richest source of life we could ever ask for, you : know through him we have a second chance. We do not have to have : eternal punishment and 'burning sulphur' if we choose to change our : ways. You know, we don;t deserve it at all. We all deserve to die, so : why make it sound like it is so hard?
Why do we all deserve to die? I have known a few, a very few extremely wicked people in my life, but no-one, absolutely no-one, whose behaviour deserved death. On the contrary, I have known many people whose behaviour staggers and amazes me by their kindness, selflessness and courage.
Still less have I met anyone, nor can I imagine anyone, who deserves eternal (eternal!!) punishment.
