Intentionality and art
FANG
to its conception? I mess around with paints, but I usually
have no idea where I'm going. Whimsical painting. Like would
it be the same thing for Picasso to draw a perfect bull,
making it resemble reality less and less each time,
resulting in a Cubist bull, as someone who just paints the
Cubist bull as the original idea. Maybe by mistake.
Are accidents art?
I just finished a still life that I started in September! I
think I should take a drawing class because what I really
want to pain is erotic (sensual) pictures of humans. There's
a place in Woodstock where you can go and pay $10 to sit in
a room with a model for a couple hours, but I think I might
need some basic instruction first.
Well I should start the second page of "The Nature of
Philosophical Inquiry." I finished the first page and fell
asleep. It was one of those half-page beginning pages, so I
know I have a real challenge ahead of me.
bukvich
> Is it only art if you start with an idea and carry through
> to its conception? I mess around with paints, but I usually
> have no idea where I'm going. Whimsical painting. Like would
> it be the same thing for Picasso to draw a perfect bull,
> making it resemble reality less and less each time,
> resulting in a Cubist bull, as someone who just paints the
> Cubist bull as the original idea. Maybe by mistake.
>
> Are accidents art?
Not to me. But if it is to you, fine. I cringe when I see most of what
people do who call themselves as artists.
My poetleader guy is more cool than I can do justice to. He says,
"don't write because you want to be a poet. That is a ridiculous pose.
Write, if and only if,
you cannot not write. Write down your poems and give the only copy
away to a stranger in a bar. Write in disappearing ink. Write in the
dust on the trunk lid of a hideously filthy car. Write like that, and
it might be beautiful. Write any other way, and it is guaranteed to
suck."
I am interpreting and paraphrasing so maybe those quotation marks
shouldn't be there. I don't believe he would mind. He also is drinking
and smoking himself to death. What a pity.
Anyway, he has lots of tricks to stimulate out of writer's block. He
is a student of Bernadette Mayer's and she has an extremely similar
bag of tricks on the St. Mark's poetry project website, if you are
interested. (Google is your friend.)
> I just finished a still life that I started in September! I
> think I should take a drawing class because what I really
> want to pain is erotic (sensual) pictures of humans. There's
> a place in Woodstock where you can go and pay $10 to sit in
> a room with a model for a couple hours, but I think I might
> need some basic instruction first.
I took a drawing class a couple years ago. I really liked it. I mostly
do landscapes and architectural thingies. Prismacolor colored pencils
+ isopropyl alcohol on Q-tips to blend it around. I drool over the
artwork in Heavy Metal magazine. They have lots of erotic stuff in
there, but it's more like teenage boy dreamgirls than realistic
looking humans.
Do you like M. C. Escher?
> Well I should start the second page of "The Nature of
> Philosophical Inquiry." I finished the first page and fell
> asleep. It was one of those half-page beginning pages, so I
> know I have a real challenge ahead of me.
You need to be careful with that stuff. Too much and you go over the
edge into pompous windbagdom.
Like me!
Bukvich
[ ' ack it got in my eye ' ]
marcel duchamp
'FANG' wrote:
>
> Is it only art if you start with an idea and carry through
> to its conception? I mess around with paints, but I usually
> have no idea where I'm going. Whimsical painting. Like would
> it be the same thing for Picasso to draw a perfect bull,
> making it resemble reality less and less each time,
> resulting in a Cubist bull, as someone who just paints the
> Cubist bull as the original idea. Maybe by mistake.
>
> Are accidents art?
>
If the accident is insightful, yes. People get too hung up on the 'A'
word, when really what they should be aspiring to is creating something
of value - even if its value is in valuelessness.
FANG
>'FANG' wrote:
>>
>> Is it only art if you start with an idea and carry through
>> to its conception? I mess around with paints, but I usually
>> have no idea where I'm going. Whimsical painting. Like would
>> it be the same thing for Picasso to draw a perfect bull,
>> making it resemble reality less and less each time,
>> resulting in a Cubist bull, as someone who just paints the
>> Cubist bull as the original idea. Maybe by mistake.
>>
>> Are accidents art?
>
>If the accident is insightful, yes.
Hey! You haven't been around lately.
Do you think in the above example, the person who skips the
stages Picasso went through is missing the insight that is
held in the picture of the bull? Does the insight belong to
the artist or to the observer? Are all paths from start to
end identical in value, or does the process matter?
>People get too hung up on the 'A'
>word, when really what they should be aspiring to is creating something
>of value - even if its value is in valuelessness.
Is that last comment a wave to modern artists? Going to a
museum sometimes, I wonder why they would include art that
requires no skill? That anyone could do. It doesn't mean it
isn't art, but aren't some pieces worth celebrating more
than others?
I like several of these definitions...
---
At dictionary.com we have: ART:
Human effort to imitate, supplement, alter, or counteract
the work of nature.
The conscious production or arrangement of sounds, colors,
forms, movements, or other elements in a manner that affects
the sense of beauty, specifically the production of the
beautiful in a graphic or plastic medium.
The study of these activities.
The product of these activities; human works of beauty
considered as a group.
High quality of conception or execution, as found in works
of beauty; aesthetic value.
A field or category of art, such as music, ballet, or
literature.
A nonscientific branch of learning; one of the liberal arts.
A system of principles and methods employed in the
performance of a set of activities: the art of building.
A trade or craft that applies such a system of principles
and methods: the art of the lexicographer.
Skill that is attained by study, practice, or observation:
the art of the baker; the blacksmith's art.
Skill arising from the exercise of intuitive faculties:
"Self-criticism is an art not many are qualified to
practice" (Joyce Carol Oates).
arts Artful devices, stratagems, and tricks.
Artful contrivance; cunning.
Printing. Illustrative material.
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FANG
>'FANG' <schli...@eudoramail.com> wrote...
>
>> Is it only art if you start with an idea and carry through
>> to its conception? I mess around with paints, but I usually
>> have no idea where I'm going. Whimsical painting. Like would
>> it be the same thing for Picasso to draw a perfect bull,
>> making it resemble reality less and less each time,
>> resulting in a Cubist bull, as someone who just paints the
>> Cubist bull as the original idea. Maybe by mistake.
>>
>> Are accidents art?
>
>Not to me. But if it is to you, fine. I cringe when I see most of what
>people do who call themselves as artists.
I feel the same way about most poetry. There are a few times
when people surprise me and pull off something clever. To
me, writing poetry is like solving crossword puzzles. I
don't like it; I'm not good at it. The same hideous
struggle. I love words, I just don't like using them.
>My poetleader guy is more cool than I can do justice to. He says,
>"don't write because you want to be a poet. That is a ridiculous pose.
>Write, if and only if,
>you cannot not write.
Is he saying that poets should have poor self-control?
>Write down your poems and give the only copy
>away to a stranger in a bar. Write in disappearing ink. Write in the
>dust on the trunk lid of a hideously filthy car. Write like that, and
>it might be beautiful. Write any other way, and it is guaranteed to
>suck."
I don't save what I write anymore. Everytime I reformat my
hard disk everything I've written goes away.
>I am interpreting and paraphrasing so maybe those quotation marks
>shouldn't be there. I don't believe he would mind. He also is drinking
>and smoking himself to death. What a pity.
Not drinking has been working out for me. If he didn't drink
he might not want to smoke so much.
>Anyway, he has lots of tricks to stimulate out of writer's block. He
>is a student of Bernadette Mayer's and she has an extremely similar
>bag of tricks on the St. Mark's poetry project website, if you are
>interested. (Google is your friend.)
"Write the poem: Ways of Making Love. List them." That's
what I want to paint, eventually.
She has a lot of suggestions. Do you diagram sentences?
>> I just finished a still life that I started in September! I
>> think I should take a drawing class because what I really
>> want to pain is erotic (sensual) pictures of humans. There's
>> a place in Woodstock where you can go and pay $10 to sit in
>> a room with a model for a couple hours, but I think I might
>> need some basic instruction first.
>
>I took a drawing class a couple years ago. I really liked it. I mostly
>do landscapes and architectural thingies. Prismacolor colored pencils
>+ isopropyl alcohol on Q-tips to blend it around.
I like paint. I don't know that I'll ever have the patience
for drawing unless I am drawing naked humans. I like the
goopiness of paint. Goopy, goopy, goopy. Yum.
>I drool over the
>artwork in Heavy Metal magazine. They have lots of erotic stuff in
>there, but it's more like teenage boy dreamgirls than realistic
>looking humans.
Oh dear. Do you like anime too?
>Do you like M. C. Escher?
Yes.
>> Well I should start the second page of "The Nature of
>> Philosophical Inquiry." I finished the first page and fell
>> asleep. It was one of those half-page beginning pages, so I
>> know I have a real challenge ahead of me.
>
>You need to be careful with that stuff. Too much and you go over the
>edge into pompous windbagdom.
>
>Like me!
I use too many words like "seems" "suppose" &c.