Holocaust Museum Shooter Loved Darwin, Hated Christians
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Holocaust Museum Shooter James Von Brunn Loved Darwin, Hated
Christians
Friday, June 12, 2009 Posted by Shattered Paradigm
The truth is finally beginning to emerge about the Holocaust Museum
shooter. It has now come out that James Von Brunn not only deeply
admired Charles Darwin and the theory of evolution, but that he also
had a deep, seething hatred for Christians and the Bible.
According to WorldNetDaily, the following recently discovered quotes
from Von Brunn illustrate how he used Darwinian theory to justify his
utter contempt for Jews and Christians.....
"The New Testament was written in Greek. Paul – who believed the World
was flat, that Joshua made the sun stand still, and Jehovah spoke from
a burning bush – wrote one-third of it, perhaps more. The events
described in the 24 Books are often contradictory, fail the time-line,
defy both archaeology's and nature's immutable laws, and are suicidal
if practiced. Nevertheless, the shamans bought it, taught it, and the
illiterate public was coerced, brainwashed, threatened, tortured,
murdered, and enthralled. … The Gospels profess that only Christians
may enter Yahweh's Kingdom of Heaven. To qualify, among other demands,
Christians must LOVE THEIR ENEMIES (Jews); give away their personal
belongings; eschew knowledge; judge not, despise nature, abandon
earthly pleasures, acknowledge that all YHWH's children are equal; and
above all else worship YHWH, the jealous, wrathful, vengeful,
unforgiving, genocidal, anthropomorphic tribal god (Jesus' father)
created by Hebrews in their image and likeness. Omnipotent, omniscient
YHWH promises Hebrews that they alone shall inherit the earth, that it
is commendable to steal from Gentiles, better yet — kill them. Whereas
Gentiles, if they fail to worship YHWH, are transported straight to
Hell. And it is written, 'A little child shall lead them.' These
dangerous, imbecilic, concepts, tenets, and teachings, often
treasonous, DESTROYED the Roman Empire and drenched the soil of Europe
with Aryan blood for almost 2000 years!"
"The Big Lie technique, employed by Paul to create the CHRISTIAN
RELIGION, also was used to create the HOLOCAUST RELIGION …
CHRISTIANITY AND THE HOLOCAUST are HOAXES."
But should we be surprised?
The truth is that whenever Darwinism and atheism triumph, it results
in extreme repression of Jews and Christians.
Just think of every major atheist nation of the 20th century - the
U.S.S.R., communist China, Cuba, all of communist eastern Europe,
North Korea - they all persecuted Jews and Christians brutally.
But Von Brunn's ideology most closely resembles the anti-Semitic and
anti-Christian "social Darwinism" of Nazi Germany under Adolf Hitler.
The Nazis fully embraced the theories of Charles Darwin and sought to
apply the implications of that theory to society as a whole.
In fact, there are amazing parallels to be drawn between Nazism and
what we are seeing today.
The vast majority of people believe that Nazism was a far right
political movement, but that assumption is completely and totally
wrong.
The official title of the Nazi party under Adolf Hitler was the
"National Socialist German Workers’ Party".
Please take special note of the word "Socialist" in that title.
The Nazis were socialists.
That is not right - that is far left.
The Nazis advocated very tight social and economic control by a big,
powerful central government.
That is a far left philosophy - not a far right one.
Big government is always the desire of leftists.
Well, what about social issues?
When the Nazis came to power in 1933 one of the very first acts of
Hitler was to legalize abortion in Germany.
By 1935, there were more than 500,000 abortions being performed in
Germany each and every year.
Adolf Hitler was a huge fan of Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned
Parenthood, and she was a big admirer of him.
How did Margaret Sanger feel about unborn children?:
"The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant
members is to kill it."
Hitler not only advocated abortion, but he also vigorously advanced
the eugenics agenda of Planned Parenthood.
Adolf Hitler said this: "The demand that defective people be prevented
from propagating equally defective offspring. . . represents the most
humane act of mankind."
-Mein Kampf, vol. 1, ch. 10
Hitler's obsession with eugenics resulted in the involuntary
euthanasia of disabled people and the compulsory sterilization of
thousands of people with mental deficiencies.
Just like the far left of today, Hitler had no respect for human life.
What about education? Were Hitler and the Nazis far right or far left?
In "The Swastika against the Cross: The Nazi War on Christianity",
Bruce Walker describes how the Nazis declared an all out war against
Christianity in their public schools. He documents some absolutely
stunning historical facts such as the following:
-Only clergymen were permitted to teach religious classes, and those
clergymen were forced to teach according to the anti-Christian
instructions of the Nazi Ministry of Education.
-In the city of Wurrtemberg, when clergymen totally refused to follow
Nazi teachings on religion, 700 of them were permanently banned from
the classroom.
-Christian prayers were totally banned from the public classroom and
crucifixes and other Christian symbols were physically removed as
well.
-By 1935, the passionately anti-Christian leader of the Hitler Youth,
Baldur von Shirach, issued a regulation that prohibited any child from
belonging simultaneously to a Christian youth group and the Hitler
Youth.
-Gradually, membership in the Hitler Youth became almost obligatory,
and parents were told that their children would not get good jobs in
the civil service unless they belonged to the Hitler Youth and
employers were told that they should not hire children who did not
belong to the Hitler Youth.
-Christian children who did not belong to the Hitler Youth or its
female counterpart were routinely beaten up by young Nazi thugs.
-Boys inducted into the Hitler Youth were required to explicitly
reject Christianity by disgusting oaths such as this: “German blood
and Christian baptismal water are completely incompatible.”
The following is an example of a an actual Hitler Youth slogan:
“The Faith fanatics, who still to-day slide down on their knees with
faces uplifted to heaven, waste their time in churchgoing and prayers,
and have not yet understood that they are living on the earth and that
therefore their task is of a thoroughly earthly kind. All we Hitler
people can still only look with the greatest contempt on those young
people who still run to their silly Evangelical or Catholic Churches
in order to vent their quite superstitious religious feelings.”
The following are actual quotes from Hitler Youth training manuals:
“Christianity is a religion of slaves and fools.”
“How did Christ die? Whining at the Cross!”
“The Ten Commandments represent the lowest instincts of man.”
“Christianity is merely a cloak for Judaism.”
The Nazi tract "Gott und Volk" was widely distributed in 1941, and it
describes how the Nazis envisioned their children being raised: “With
parties and gifts the youth will be led painlessly from one faith to
the other and will grow up without ever having heard of the Sermon on
the Mount or the Golden Rule, to say nothing of the Ten Commandments…
The education of the youth is to be confined primarily by the teacher,
the officer, and the leaders of the party. The priests will die out.
They have estranged the youth from the Volk. Into their places will
step the leaders. Not deputies of God. But anyway the best Germans.
And how shall we train our children? Thus, as though they had never
heard of Christianity!”
Doesn't this philosophy sound way too familiar?
Today the ACLU and other far left organizations are rabidly trying to
eliminate every shred of Christianity from the public schools of
America.
So are Hitler and the Nazis closer to the Left of today or to the
Right of today?
It appears that the answer is completely obvious.
The truth is that a society that teaches Darwinism and trashes
Christianity is going to produce sickos like James Von Brunn.
A lot of people who read this article are not going to like that
statement, but it is true.
Labels: Societal Collapse
raven1
<soundof...@dcemail.com> wrote:
>Holocaust Museum Shooter James Von Brunn Loved Darwin, Hated
>Christians
Which, even if true, would be irrelevant to the truth or falsity of
either the Theory of Evolution, or Christianity.
AusShane
"The truth is that a society that teaches Darwinism and trashes
Christianity is going to produce sickos like James Von Brunn. "
Would you like to define 'Darwinism' for us ? Because I doubt if
anyone here would know what you mean???
AusShane
Unintelligible religious rambling = ignore.
"Just think of every major atheist nation of the 20th century - the
U.S.S.R., communist China, Cuba, all of communist eastern Europe,
North Korea - they all persecuted Jews and Christians brutally. "
Along with every other religion culture and ethnic group that got in
the way and the key point here is one of the power of uncontrolled
totalitarianism atheist or otherwise.
"The Nazis fully embraced the theories of Charles Darwin and sought to
apply the implications of that theory to society as a whole. "
Hitler did not embrace the theory of evolution. What he embraced was
eugenics - ie FARMING or selective breeding.
He proposed a cogent process to ensure certain physical traits are
preserved by only allowing animals (or people) with those traits to
reproduce. This would eventually in his mind produce an aryan
masterace.
The theory of evolution by natural selection is based on the fact that
nature non-randomly selects successful traits - there is no COGENT
PROCESS.
In fact by using human intelligence to select the characteristics they
wanted to preserve the nazis were in fact using - INTELLIGENT DESIGN.
Designing humans by selective breeding.
I guess your god would be flattered that the nazis copied his methods.
Why do you nongs keep bringing this one up - its so obviously wrong
and actually damages your case for an intelligent designer
"Today the ACLU and other far left organizations are rabidly trying to
eliminate every shred of Christianity from the public schools of
America. "
As we should if church and state are to be kept separate - an entirely
desirable state of affairs. - Have you not seen what happens in
Iran???
"The truth is that a society that teaches Darwinism and trashes
Christianity is going to produce sickos like James Von Brunn. "
Again I ask what do you mean by Darwinism? -its a non term, a
creationist invention a myth it does not exist it never did......
Lars Eighner
<a9efd970-b54c-46b1...@a31g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, the
lovely and talented Sound of Trumpet broadcast on alt.atheism:
> According to WorldNetDaily, the following recently discovered quotes
> from Von Brunn illustrate how he used Darwinian theory
Nope. Nothing of the sort in the quoted material.
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Terry Cross
> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 14:27:33 -0800 (PST), Sound of Trumpet
>
> >Holocaust Museum Shooter James Von Brunn Loved Darwin, Hated
> >Christians
>
> Which, even if true, would be irrelevant to the truth or falsity of
> either the Theory of Evolution, or Christianity.
A casual observer marvels at the amazing ease with which the
connections to one's own culture are dismissed, but to find the
Prophet Muhammad at cause of some modern-day brutality, we have only
to hear an Arabic tone in the perpetrator's name.
TCross
thomas p.
"Terry Cross" <tcro...@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelelsen
news:114551b6-2de9-4b6b...@b36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
And both ideas are absurd. So?
raven1
Did you have an actual point to make?
Syd M.
wrote:
> http://futurestorm.blogspot.com/2009/06/holocaust-museum-shooter-jame...
>
> Holocaust Museum Shooter James Von Brunn Loved Darwin, Hated
> Christians
>
No.
<Lies flushed>
PDW
VoiceOfReason
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
<snip trash>
> Today the ACLU and other far left organizations are rabidly trying to
> eliminate every shred of Christianity from the public schools of
> America.
Actually it was the founding fathers who intended to eliminate every
shred of religion from government. That includes government-run
schools. The raving nuttiness of today's religious right wingers
proves that they were right in doing so.
Masked Avenger
On 8-Nov-2009, Sound of Trumpet <soundof...@dcemail.com> wrote:
> According to WorldNetDaily, the following recently discovered quotes
> from Von Brunn illustrate how he used Darwinian theory to justify his
> utter contempt for Jews and Christians.....
and there you are ...... a story from the 'World Nut Daily' ......the MOST
untrustworthy rag ever produced ....... anything else is moot ........
nothing that piece of shit 'News Source' produces is ever to be taken
seriously .........
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and I'm not sure about the Universe ..........
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Does Schr�dinger's cat have 18 half lives ?
Lorentz
wrote:
> http://futurestorm.blogspot.com/2009/06/holocaust-museum-shooter-jame...
>
> Christians
>
> Friday, June 12, 2009 Posted by Shattered Paradigm
>
Ruth" and "Book of Joshua." In Book of Ruth, a Canaanite comes to God
and brings other with her. In Book of Joshua, the same God
specifically tells to wipe out all Canaanites and their animals no
matter what they do. The conflicts between Ruth and Joshua are often
mistaken for the conflicts between atheism and religion. Most Nazis
would have been more comfortable with Joshua than with atheists. Keep
this in mind as I rebute you.
> The official title of the Nazi party under Adolf Hitler was the
> "National Socialist German Workers’ Party".
>
> Please take special note of the word "Socialist" in that title.
>
> The Nazis were socialists.
the "free market" at all. They thought that somehow the "free market"
and "Communism" were both run by the same set of Jews. Although they
used industrialists and their money, these just industrialists were
considered employees for the State. The state used tax payers funds,
plus the booty collected from foreign occupation, to pay for the goods
the "industrialists" produced.
However, the Nazis and Fascist differed in belief from most
Socialists. They believed mass murder was unavoidable and even
desirable. Musulini in defining "fascist" said that the Fascist does
not believe long term peace was possible or even desirable. This made
them very different from most Capitalists, most Socialists, and even
most Communists.
The effect of social philosophy is usually different from the
beliefs of it followers. I agree that bad management in Communist,
religious and even free market societies has on occasion resulted in
mass murder surpassing in numbers the murders committed by the
Fascists in WWII. However, there is pretty good evidence in these
cases the leaders did not start out with the intention of killing
innocent people. They usually start a mass murder for short term
objectives, not intending to do it. Some of the biggest mass murders
were motivated by religious beliefs. However, the mass murder always
has satisfied a secular need. This should tell you something about the
mass murder. Mass murder is a behavior that emerges from human
behavior, and is not created religion or scientific philosophy.
Anyone reading Mein Kampf carefully will see that Hitler starts
out on a homicidal program. There is as much religious retribution in
there as eugenics. When justifying mass murder, he mixes statements
about "natural selection" with religious imagery. I read some of the
eugenics propaganda from the United States in the 1930s. Although one
may complain that it is racist, it does not advocate the homicidal
policies of the Third Reich. In fact, I don't think eugenics is really
compatible with the behavior of the Ku Klux Klan.
There are horrible mass murders going on in Africa right now, in
many ways comparable to the Holocaust. However, the leaders seldom
profess to atheism. They certainly don't know the first thing about
genetics, let alone eugenics. They kill according to history. However,
many profess to a religion. I don't think any of the leaders in Africa
admit to being atheist.
>
> That is not right - that is far left.
admitted that Nazis were technically socialist, in the sense of the
state controlling the economy. However, mainland China is now letting
their commercial sector go ape.
>
> The Nazis advocated very tight social and economic control by a big,
> powerful central government.
>
> That is a far left philosophy - not a far right one.
>
> Big government is always the desire of leftists.
still considered a far right state. Whenever you read anything about
antiSemitic pograms, it is almost always an intent to control the
economy in some way. Or antiCatholic pograms, or antiMuslim pograms,
or .... Some industrious middle class has been getting too far ahead.
Some of the antiSocialist programs turn out to be really programs to
control the free market. No one wants the oil states to really form a
cartel, even though they have the right to do so.
>
> Well, what about social issues?
>
> When the Nazis came to power in 1933 one of the very first acts of
> Hitler was to legalize abortion in Germany.
seen as a big humanitarian step. Turns out by treason he meant
Christians who protested against the Nazis. Oh, well...
One of the first activities Hitler performed when taking power
(Night of the Long Knives) was to persecute homosexuals. Of course, he
and many in the Gestapo were homosexuals. Oh, well...
Polish women were sterilized with radiation in Auswitz. He was
really serious about decreasing the number of Slavs in the "holy land"
of the German people. Oh, well...
He did everything he could to increase the birth rate of "pure
blooded" Germans. Oh, well.
>
> By 1935, there were more than 500,000 abortions being performed in
> Germany each and every year.
ovens alive.
>
> Adolf Hitler was a huge fan of Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned
> Parenthood, and she was a big admirer of him.
Margaret Sanger had reached his mother, already overburdened with too
many children, history would be much different.
>
> How did Margaret Sanger feel about unborn children?:
Unborn children are an oxymoron.
>
> "The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant
> members is to kill it."
I think the Hitler family history is a great cautionary
tale in that respect.
>
> Hitler not only advocated abortion, but he also vigorously advanced
> the eugenics agenda of Planned Parenthood.
He did not advocate abortion to Christian Germans. These
other programs were aimed for nonGermans.
>
> Adolf Hitler said this: "The demand that defective people be prevented
> from propagating equally defective offspring. . . represents the most
> humane act of mankind."
> -Mein Kampf, vol. 1, ch. 10
>
> Hitler's obsession with eugenics resulted in the involuntary
> euthanasia of disabled people and the compulsory sterilization of
> thousands of people with mental deficiencies.
In Mein Kampf, he predicted that the German people would stop
such a program but cooperate when it involved nonGerman people. His
argument is that most Germans are wienies who identify too closely
with their own relativies (even if defective).
Turns out he was right. Making a Jewish family disappear was
alright. Killing a catatonic schizophrenic German was bad. The German
people stopped the T12 program. The disappearance of their relatives,
even in the vegetative state, was intolerable. Most Germans did not
protest the resettlement of Jews, nor even ask where the Jews were
going.
>
> Just like the far left of today, Hitler had no respect for human life.
I think the far anything has no respect for human life. I know
the far religious do not.
>
> What about education? Were Hitler and the Nazis far right or far left?
>
> In "The Swastika against the Cross: The Nazi War on Christianity",
> Bruce Walker describes how the Nazis declared an all out war against
> Christianity in their public schools. He documents some absolutely
> stunning historical facts such as the following:
They also burned "Origin of the Species." "Origin of the
Species" was banned in most areas of Germany.
The Nazis fought against the part of evolution that said man
evolved from lower animals. The Nazis incorporated some aspects of
eugenics into their program, when it suited them. They also cited the
Bible when getting rid of people, when it suited them. However,
discussions of "macroevolution" were banned.
The Nazis did not like "macroevolution" at all. They believed in a
sort of "microevolution," one that would be improved by mass murder.
Basically, the Nazis liked "Book of Joshua." They did not like
"Book of Ruth."
>
> -Only clergymen were permitted to teach religious classes, and those
> clergymen were forced to teach according to the anti-Christian
> instructions of the Nazi Ministry of Education.
However, not all clergymen say the instructions as antiChristian.
I believe most clergymen did.
>
> -In the city of Wurrtemberg, when clergymen totally refused to follow
> Nazi teachings on religion, 700 of them were permanently banned from
> the classroom.
Your statement does not prove that most the Nazis were atheist.
In fact, it proves that many Nazis had a very specific idea on
religion. When the Crusades started, the Roman Catholic Church sat
down equally hard on "heretical Christians." It wasn't that the
priests didn't believe in God. They didn't believe in other ways of
worshipping him.
Lorentz
wrote:
> http://futurestorm.blogspot.com/2009/06/holocaust-museum-shooter-jame...
>
> Christianity is going to produce sickos like James Von Brunn.
right." I would bet money that he didn't visit the Natural History
Museum in Washington, just a few blocks from the Holocaust museum. I
would bet a pretty penny that he was hanging out with some pretty
serious "Christian civilization" types. If you have evidence that the
man knew or cared anything about biological science, I suggest you
present it.Personal experience and background knowledge shows me that
you are wrong.
Most of the Nazis of WWII strongly resisted the idea that
human beings were descended from lower animals. When books were
burned, "Origin of the Species" was often in the pile. Nazi education
policy generally spurned any literature that presented a "cynical"
approach to human beings. When Nazi propagandists presented Jews as
looking like apes, they implied that Germans of Aryan descent were
somehow not animals.
My personal experiences with antiSemitism show evidence that the
the neoNazi's dislike the idea that THEIR species descended from
animals.
I had a neoNazi manager who was also a holocaust denier. He
used to compare me to apes when he thought I wasn't listening. When he
found out that I was a serious fossil hunter, I heard him tell his
friends, "See, he probably believes human beings were descended from
apes. I am an expert on Darwin, and I know he never said that man was
descended from apes." He then made a big deal about the sacredness of
the human spirit, the lies of the Jews, and eugenics. When it was
pointed out what Darwin did say (humans being descended from an
unspecified "lower form," he became upset. He said that he disagreed
with Darwin about human beings being descended from animals. He
contradicted himself a little later when he started talking about
Genesis. He ctalked about how not all human beings were descended from
Adam, and that the human species was contaminated by creatures from
parts of the world other than the Garden of Eden.
I ahve other experiences with neoNazis. I don't always yell at
them, I often stop to listen. I suggest you do the same. There is
never an interest in biology from neoNazis. There is always this
spiritual element, this feeling that one can rise above ones animal
nature by allying oneself with ones kin.
A lot of NeoNazis have decided that Holocaust Denial is the
finest part of Christianity. The people I am thinking about go to
lunchtime Bible study groups, constantly rant and rave about "the
absence of morals," and constantly blame "the liberals." When I hung
outside their lunchroom, I would sometimes here them talk about how
the Jews disobeyed." They read books and lectures on how "the Jews"
are liars and delusional.
When I lived in black neighborhoods, I also was a victim of
antiSemitism. Again, there was a lot of (perhaps) misplaced religion
this. I was mugged by youths who would lecture, while taking my money,
about the higher spiritual longing of the Black people. Many people
listening Elijah Mohamed during the million man march would have
recognized the religious symbolism in his speech, masking itself as
some sort of science.
Fundamentalists like you are more responsible than Darwin for
these pathetic psychopaths like James von Brunn. The neoNazis and othr
extremists mostly listen to religious fanatics like Oral Roberts and
others. Discussions of fossils and chromosomes bore them. These types
of extremist movements are fueled more denial of logic and science.
You can check on this yourself. Don't lecture us. Talk to those
people. Be friends with them. I believe these guys are more pathetic
than evil. They are merely acting on the garbled value system that
people like you present. I believe that if you wanted to, you could
probably discourage someone from doing something like that again. You
speak their language. Your attacks on "Darwinism" aren't sincere,
since you are not addressing the extremists woho actually do it. You
are attacking people you know are harmless, and avoding the dangerous
people who are only responding to your hostility.
Brunn was responding not to some eugenics agenda, but to this
anger at "the lying Jews." The choice of the Holocaust Museum, even
his choice of victims, was not about culling the population to bring
out the best. He was protesting the Jewish "lies". His entire point
was that gentiles could not have possibly condoned such an aggressive
eugenics program. He was convinced that "the Jews" were taking
advantage of wonderful people like him who were the real victims of
World War II.
That is the belief of most modern day neoNazis. Not that, "We have
to kill the Jews to improve the human race." The slogan that I have
heard, and which you would hear if you bothered to listen, is that
"The Nazis were the victims of the Jews." Every neoNazi that I know
has said that there was no eugenics program, that the Jews made up the
idea of gas chambers to steal from the Gentile.
You could check up, but I am fairly sure this will turn out to be
true. Brunn chose the Holocaust Museum as a way of denying the
existence of gas chambers. He felt by attacking the Holocaust Museum,
he would be encouraging "his people" to stop being taken advantage of.
Sadly, he proved the opposite to most people.
Bob T.
Oh, yeah? Well, the Norse believed that Thor used his might hammer to
make thunder and lightning.
I've always felt that one non sequitur deserves another.
- Bob T.
>
> TCross