Awesome pic link
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Papa Smurf
Thanks.
TwoPossums
what vids he has.
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RudyGFranco
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femmusclefan
http://community.webshots.com/user/jl9233
"RudyGFranco" <rudyg...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> WOW!
jl9233
Recently someone posted my community URL in this group and shortly after
that I got an email from Web administration informing me that they received
notification that some of the photographers had complained about the
pictures hosted on the site.
As a result of that communication all of the photos were deleted.
I have seen all the arguments in this group but I looked at my site as
promoting both the women athletes and the photographers. I listed everyone's
URL as a location to see more pictures like those I posted. I guess these
photraphers don't what their work seen after all.
"femmusclefan" <femmus...@carolina.rr.com> wrote in message
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Bill Dobbins
jl9...@carolina.rr.com wrote on 3/6/03 4:57 AM:
> I have seen all the arguments in this group but I looked at my site as
> promoting both the women athletes and the photographers. I listed everyone's
> URL as a location to see more pictures like those I posted. I guess these
> photraphers don't what their work seen after all.
I don't know which site you are talking about...but as I've said before, the
way to get permission of photographers to use their photos in a way that
promotes them and their websites is to ask them.
BD
jl9233
My site was intended to cultivate interest in a sport that has long been under appreciate and misunderstood. In the process of doing my small part to foster the interest in female bodybuilding the photographers and web site hosts would also benefit. I feel very certain that my site continubed to your and many other pay web sites the promote these fine athletes. Your complaint is the one who got the site deleted from Webshots. Her is a excerpt from the email communication:
As required by law, we have deleted 684 image(s) from
your Webshots photo albums because we received notification
that the image(s) were uploaded in violation of U.S. copyright law.
jwade
most likely three years or so. It received a total of 919,790 views during
address from the photos I had on my site. Furthermore I never posted
complete galleries of your work. Most of the material that was featured on
the site was generated from over 10 years of surfing and collecting.
My site was intended to cultivate interest in a sport that has long been
under appreciate and misunderstood. In the process of doing my small part to
foster the interest in female bodybuilding the photographers and web site
hosts would also benefit. I feel very certain that my site contributed to
the success of yours and many other pay web sites that promote these fine
female athletes. Your complaint is the one who got the site deleted from
Webshots. Here is a excerpt from the email communication:
As required by law, we have deleted 684 image(s) from
your Webshots photo albums because we received notification
that the image(s) were uploaded in violation of U.S. copyright law.
How can you report me for copyright infringement when you benefited from my
site more than I did. I invested my time and you got the benefit.
Interesting exchange considering I am the one penalized.
"Bill Dobbins" <bill...@gte.net> wrote in message
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Bill Dobbins
jw...@carolina.rr.com wrote on 3/6/03 7:08 PM:
> As required by law, we have deleted 684 image(s) from
> your Webshots photo albums because we received notification
> that the image(s) were uploaded in violation of U.S. copyright law.
>
>
> How can you report me for copyright infringement when you benefited from my
> site more than I did. I invested my time and you got the benefit.
> Interesting exchange considering I am the one penalized.
I don't know what your website is. But in general, copyright law isn't
about who benefits or doesn't. As I've explained, if you want to set up
galleries of photographers' pictures and link to them to promote their sites
the way to do it is to contact them and get their permission.
Feel free to Email me directly on the subject if you like.
BD
Peterbilt
blame Bill Dobbins for shutting down someone's site by calling him a greedy
asshole. Without any proof you point fingers at four or more other people
doing the same thing. But, when Venus or Buffy posts their spam here you
welcome it with open arms. No wonder this group is falling to pieces. I
haven't been here in weeks and all I saw was 30 messages. Bottom line is if
you post stuff on Usenet, you have to expect everyone will see it, if you
don't want everyone to see it then don't post it here.
Let the flames begin.
"Anonymous" <cri...@ecn.org> wrote in message
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> That sucks and you did a lot to promote these photographers and you run a
very
> nice site. Dobbins is a manic greedy asshole with a reputation for closing
> sites down, and if it was him he has overstepped the line this time. I
hope
> he looses customers. His sudden response may have been his own guilt
speaking
> for him. However do you know it was him?, it could have just been some
asshole
> rat who decided to make an issue. Get on to your hosting service and ask
if
> they will forward the complaint(s) to you to expose this rat.
>
> "Likely suspects" include: Dobbins, Venus, Rob Sims, that guy who runs the
> WPW sites, or that newsgroup rat guy 'PuterDude'
>
> Actually there are LOADS of FBB sites that are not really listed anywhere,
> and with good reason as soon as they are posted they are shut down by
greedy
> useless assholes like Dobbins.
>
>
> In article <63U9a.32826$ki.12...@twister.southeast.rr.com>, jwade
<jw...@carolina.rr.com>
jwade
that was sent to me from The Webshots Support Staff out right named Mr.
Dobbins as the individual who complained. If necessary I can post the entire
email thread.
Furthermore I rarely complain about anything that is said here in AAWA. My
post was a reply to a question that was asked about a site that I created on
Webshots. My email communicate is saturated with fact. I do not deem it
necessary to dwell in supposition, speculation or innuendos. I let everyone
in this group do their on thing.
This time the battle was brought to my door step and I thought I would
publicly answer the question about the missing photo on my Webshot site.
"Peterbilt" <amazon...@NOSPAMeudoramail.com> wrote in message
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Hollywood Muscle
surprise me that the website staff notified you of his identity.
personally, I think the reasonable thing to do, if you object to a site's
use of your own pictures, is to first request that they be removed. I doubt
Dobbins took that step.
when I had the Star Power site I rarely got a request to remove a pic...when
I did, I simply removed it....problem solved.
"jwade" <jw...@carolina.rr.com> wrote in message
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Bill Dobbins
Muscle at HMSta...@hotmail.com wrote on 3/7/03 7:15 AM:
> while it doesn't surprise me that Dobbins would do such a thing, it does
> surprise me that the website staff notified you of his identity.
>
> personally, I think the reasonable thing to do, if you object to a site's
> use of your own pictures, is to first request that they be removed. I doubt
> Dobbins took that step.
>
> when I had the Star Power site I rarely got a request to remove a pic...when
> I did, I simply removed it....problem solved.
I get dozens of Emails a week from fans telling me about sites using my
photos without authorization. I don't recall which website this is about.
I don't single anyone out. But, as I've said, I make lots of arrangements
with websites that want to use my photos and so do other photographers.
This way of doing things insures the photos used are good scans, not poor
ones copies from magazines, that each photo has a copyright notice and that
a hot link be provided. I also like to make sure the models and their sites
are identified.
It isn't very much promotion for me or for the FBBs to have bad scans, no
copyright notice, no hot links and sometimes no Ids on the women put on a
website by somebody who is not willing to go about things in a legitimate
manner - and this is what happens with most non-commercial "promotional"
sites.
Anyone wanting to create such a site should contact various photographers
and get their cooperation in the effort. They should also consider making
sure the women models get promotion as well as the copyright owner of the
photos.
BD
Buzz
>
>
> "Likely suspects" include: Dobbins, Venus, Rob Sims, that guy who runs the
> WPW sites, or that newsgroup rat guy 'PuterDude'
Well, let's break this down. Dobbins claims ignorance of the site and I have no reason to
believe he's lying. I've never known Rob Sims to show up here, so he's unwilling to have seem
the post with the link in it, and there are WPW pics all over the net, unmolested. PuterDude
wouldn't have any reason for bothering a site like that. So who does that leave? Yes, Captain
Venus, bulldog of the vice squad. In case you missed it, one of her pictures was on that site.
You can thank her for closing it down, though she probably won't fess up to it. It wasn't
Dobbins. If you want to complain, you know who to direct it to.
>
>
> Actually there are LOADS of FBB sites that are not really listed anywhere,
> and with good reason as soon as they are posted they are shut down by greedy
> useless assholes like Dobbins.
>
> In article <63U9a.32826$ki.12...@twister.southeast.rr.com>, jwade <jw...@carolina.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
jl9233
have previously stated, I merely want to highlight a wonderful sport whose
athletes do not get enough credit.
I only bring it up because I was getting inundated with questions about the
photos that were there. I have all 600+ images so its no loss to me.
"Buzz" <diarr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Bill Dobbins
on 3/7/03 4:33 PM:
> Well, let's break this down. Dobbins claims ignorance of the site and I have
> no reason to
> believe he's lying.
I didn't say I was ignorant of the site. I said I don't know which site is
being referred to. In any event, the fact remains that any photographer has
a right to obect to his/her copyrighted material being published on the
Internet without permission - particularly on a website rather than as
individual photos and especially if its a commerical site.
The answer - I'll explain again - is for those who want "tribute" sites of
various kinds to deal with photographers and get them to give permission to
use photos. I have that arrangement with a lot of sites.
BD
Buzz
Anonymous wrote:
> Did Puterdude need a reason ? Look at the mayhem recently in ABFC. Someone
> there was reporting posters to their ISPs and PuterDude has a track record.
> Puterdude is unstable and gets a kick out of reporting people.
>
> Venus is very possessive about her material as you rightly point out but I
> doubt she would close down an entire site for 1 image.
No, she definitely would. Absolutely. She gets off on that. You must have missed
that thread.
>
>
> And look how Puterdude (under his new nym) mysteriously reappeared in this
> thread claiming "I haven't been here in weeks".... why would you need to mention
> that ?
>
> Dobbins claims ignorance because he didn't send it. Puterdude did. Case closed.
> Puterdude guilty. Lets hope they throw away the key this time.
You're wrong. Venus was in here when that link was posted and she has a history of
going ballistic over that stuff. I'm sure by now he's already received the email
where she threatens to get her "lawyers" involved if he fucks with her again.
Peterbilt
reported to some corporation for abuse you guys blame it on this guy
puterdude, I don't know what this guy did but so be it and I don't really
care. What makes you think I am this person? I have not reported anyone
(you'll believe what you want anyway being the paranoid bunch you are) but I
do know that armpit is the biggest troll on Usenet. I have seen stuff about
him where he reported people for doing the same thing he has done. This is a
fact that cannot be argued, just look at all the complaints against him by
doing a search on google like I did. Also the fact that armpit has not been
around in a while under that nym is proof that he is afraid of something.
I've heard that his ISP canceled his account for posting people's names and
addresses here and doing childish things like sending pizzas to their houses
along with magazine subscriptions. Now if that's not a troll then what is?
Anyway, you guys will believe what you want so I won't try to get you to
believe any kind of rational thought any longer.
"Anonymous" <cri...@ecn.org> wrote in message
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> I never said it was Dobbins. But wait a minute...I think you ARE
PuterDude...
> I wonder if we have found the real culprit or do we need reminding that
this
> is 'PuterDude season'. Was it about this time last year PuterDude forged
complaints
> from Fitness Beauties and others to Dr Arm's news service. See below. The
rest
> as they say is history. See if ABFC will have you back because we don't
want
> you.
>
> In article <4a0f6f021b8f4081...@news.teranews.com>, Peterbilt
> <amazon...@NOSPAMeudoramail.com> wrote:
>
> > You guys are too much. Talk about finger pointing. Without any proof you
> > blame Bill Dobbins for shutting down someone's site by calling him a
greedy
> > asshole. Without any proof you point fingers at four or more other
people
> > doing the same thing. But, when Venus or Buffy posts their spam here you
> > welcome it with open arms. No wonder this group is falling to pieces. I
> > haven't been here in weeks and all I saw was 30 messages. Bottom line is
> if
> > you post stuff on Usenet, you have to expect everyone will see it, if
you
> > don't want everyone to see it then don't post it here.
> >
> > Let the flames begin.
>
>
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> Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 01:46:15
>
> Here is what Puterdude did: He forged posts under various photographer's
> name like Robert Simms and othersy and sent them to Easynews claiming
> that he, Puterdude, was the copyright owner and was registering a
> copyright complaint.
>
> Easynews quickly determined that this was a forgery and now Easynews
> knows how desparate this puterdude individual is. Dr arm lost no news
> service for even a minute, thanks to the sharp people at Easynews.
>
> Easynews in turn has registered a complaint with Puterdude's ISP since
> his posting IP (of course) was attached to all his forgeries:
> 24.168.62.122 Apparently this character is not even aware of the basics
> of newsgroups and ISP's. Apparently he is also not aware of the
> penalties associated with internet foregry laws.
>
> Yes, Dr arm has knows how to get in touch with the photographers that
> puterdude has forged.
>
> In the meantime Dr arm independently determined the identity of
> Puterdude: His real name is Brian Scott.
>
> Easynews also told me that this same "Puterdude" person is also making
> copyright complaints against other posters besides Dr arm, so apparently
> everyone is the target of Brian Scott's forgeries and hate.
>
> Puterdude is currently posting under other names such as Wendy Smythe,
> Red Fang, and others.
>
> More to follow.
>
> da
>
>
jl9233
Webshots:
Hello Jeff,
Webshots has been contacted by the Photographer Bill Dobbins, and he has
asked that you remove all of his photos from your community page, we are
also asking you to remove all images from your community page that you do
not own the copyrights to, images that you did not take. You have 24 hours
to remove all copyright violations. If you don't comply with this email, we
have the right to delete all albums and terminate your account. Please feel
free to contact me if you have any further questions.
Sincerely,
Belynda
______________________________________________
Customer Support Representative, www.webshots.com
"Anonymous" <cri...@ecn.org> wrote in message
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> >I didn't say I was ignorant of the site.
>
> Is this a confession of sorts? And you would sit idley by and have us
punish
> Puterdude for your crimes ?
>
> >..any photographer has a right..
>
> Yes it is a right, and because it is a right it is something that should
be
> used with diligence, care, restraint and only when appropriate.
>
> Do you think it was appropriate that this 'right' was exercised in this
case
> ?
>
> Whatver. In time we will find new crimes to punish Puterdude for if he is
innocent
> of this.
Yakima Hardicanute
<jl9...@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
> To end all the confusion on this matter I will post the communiqué from
> Webshots:
>
>
> Hello Jeff,
>
> Webshots has been contacted by the Photographer Bill Dobbins, and he has
> asked that you remove all of his photos from your community page, we are
> also asking you to remove all images from your community page that you do
> not own the copyrights to, images that you did not take. You have 24 hours
> to remove all copyright violations. If you don't comply with this email, we
> have the right to delete all albums and terminate your account. Please feel
> free to contact me if you have any further questions.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Belynda
> ______________________________________________
> Customer Support Representative, www.webshots.com
>
hmmmm. sounds like more treachery and deceit. how could it possibly
be BD?????????
Buzz
surprised that Webshots has told you who made the complaint but you should
always be told who your accuser is. They did the right thing.
Peterbilt
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