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Gatorr@TheSwamp
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From: "ALS Scan, Inc." <sk...@smart.net>
To: ab...@MINDSPRING.COM, hostm...@MINDSPRING.NET
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:26:40 +0000
Subject: ALS Scan Federal Copyright Violation!!!
CC: gat...@MINDSPRING.COM, Marylan...@juno.com,
fal...@the-pentagon.com,
a...@clark.net, "Rick Westin" <ope...@hotmail.com>
Priority: normal
Dear MindSpring ISP:
We have identified the following individual as the poster of our ALS
Scan Copyrighted images. This person has continued to post to the
newsgroups ( alt.magazines.pornographic, and alt.als) and violate our
copyright in large numbers.
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I am sure you are aware President Clinton Signed the Net
Antipiracy Act (sumarized below) in December of last year making it
a Federal Crime to transmit copyrighted material via the internet
with a penality of up to 5 years in prison (not to mention
it opens the door for obtaining extensive civil damages as well). As
such I am also sure we do not need to inform you of your rights and
obligations regarding these Criminal matters.
This notice serves as an open request to forward this individuals
personal information directly to our corporate counsel so that we
may file the appropriate legal charges:
Harry B Siegel
Law Offices of Joel Marc Abramson
9175 Guilford Road, Suite 301
Columbia, Maryland 21046
410-730-7733
Your willingness to cooperate (or lack there of) will be noted for
all future Criminal and Civil proceedings concerning this matter.
Our copyright Information can be verified at:
http://www.alsscan.com/copyrite.html
Any additional proof of our claims can be provided upon request. We
have video taped the violations within the newsgroup including
complete posting and header information. This tape will be used if
necessary in any future proceedings.
Our corporate counsel is copied on this letter of notice. We will
pursue this to the fullest extent of the law. Our company is
committed to prosecuting offenders of our copyrights. This
individual must be brought to justice as his actions directly imact
the sales of our coorporation.
Should you have any questions, please feel free to contact either
myself or our corporate counsel, Harry B. Siegel at (410) 730-7733.
Sincerely,
Alex Kirn
President
ALS Scan, Inc.
http://www.alsscan.com
cc: Harry B. Siegel, Marylan...@juno.com
Steve Easton, fal...@the-pentagon.com (Webposse)
File Copy, a...@clark.net
> Clinton signs Net antipiracy act
> By Courtney Macavinta
> December 17, 1997, 10:00 a.m. PT
>
> President Clinton signed a law that makes online piracy a felony
> offense, even if the guilty parties never profit from exchanging
> unauthorized digital copies of software, music, or literature.
>
> Drafted by Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-Virginia), the No Electronic Theft
> (NET) Act, signed yesterday, makes distributing or possessing
> illegal copies of online copyrighted material a federal crime if the
> value of the works is $2,500 or more.
>
> Based on the new law, offenders could get up to five years in prison
> and a $250,000 fine for "willfully" possessing ten or more illegal
> digital copies of film clips or computer programs, for example. A
> misdemeanor charge will be filed for copied material with a retail
> value of $1,000 or more, and comes with up to a one-year jail term.
>
> There are a slew of high-tech and Net-related bills awaiting
> Congress members when they return from vacation in January. So far,
> however, the NET Act is only the third high-tech bill signed by
> Clinton this year. In August, the president approved an export tax
> exemption of up to 15 percent for the software industry, which other
> industries had enjoyed since 1971. He also approved $425 million for
> the Education Department's Technology Literacy Challenge Fund, which
> allocates funds to states for hardware, software, and online access.
>
> The Software Publishers Association (SPA) and the U.S. Copyright
> Office lobbied for the bill's passage. But the 80,000-member
> Association for Computing Machinery urged Clinton to veto the bill.
> The international group of computer scientists argued that the law
> would undermine the public's right to use portions of copyrighted
> material under the U.S. 'fair use' doctrine.
>
> However, some legal experts disputed the association's claims.
> Still, the new law gives the Microsoft-backed SPA more ammunition in
> its ongoing crackdown on alleged Net pirates who share, as opposed
> to selling, unauthorized copies of valuable software.
>
> Internet editor Jeff Pelline contributed to this report.
>
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MindSpring Enterprises, Inc. (MINDSPRING-DOM)
1430 West Peachtree Street NE
Suite 400
Atlanta, GA 30309
USA
Domain Name: MINDSPRING.COM
Administrative Contact:
MindSpring Abuse (MA127-ORG) ab...@MINDSPRING.COM
404-815-0770
Fax- 404-815-8805
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Hostmaster (HOS272-ORG) hostm...@MINDSPRING.NET
404-815-0770
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Billing Contact:
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Record last updated on 09-May-97.
Record created on 21-Apr-94.
Database last updated on 18-Feb-98 04:04:33 EDT.
Domain servers in listed order:
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BURDELL.CC.GATECH.EDU 130.207.3.207
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ALS Scan, Inc.
P.O Box 6541
Columbia, MD 21045
fax: 410/579-2565
email: a...@clark.net
web: http://www.alsscan.com
Please include previous messages in all replies
so everybody knows what is being discussed.
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jarow
In article <01bd3da9$3dcf3900$ab0c56d1@default>, "Gatorr@TheSwamp"
<gat...@mindspring.com> wrote:
clipped for brevity
I am not a lawyer, but from what I read above it would seem that if the
value of the pirated?? software is over $2500 it is a felony.
If it is over $1000 it is a misdemeanor.
If it is less than $1000 it must not be a criminal offence then.
ALS sells cd's with about 600 pics on them for $40.00. If someone were to
post 600 pics then they would be guilty of pirating $40.00 worth of
software. To reach $1000 they would have to post about 18,000 pics.
The *MIGHTY* (yet modest) Two Tub Man, H.R.M.
Guys, guys, guys. DON'T WORRY!
They haven't got the balls to see this actually get in front of a
judge. It's ALL a big bluff.
If ALex ever got in front of a judge (and the defendant wasn't a
complete moron) he KNOWS damned well that defense evidence is going to
include the colourful history of ALSscans Inc.
Ya know, like when they used to post kiddie porn and when they used to
publish someone else's copyrighted images themselves from European sex
mags.
If ALS *could* actually get a court judgement against someone for
posting on the newsgroups, don't you think they'd parade that example
around in front of everybody? Nope, never have and never will. Kirn
could end up going to jail himself. You think he;'s gonna risk that
for a long shot (at best) at a favorable judgement??
Best they can do is make a copy of something their lawyer sent
somebody and that means absolutely nothing in reality.
Who would win in court, a non-profit copyright violator or a
for-profit copyright violator/child pornographer?
So not only is ALS all bark and no bite, they're also utter
hypocrites.
And as always, I post from my real email address and make no secret of
who I am.
And ALex, KNOCK IT OFF, quit threatening people. Learn to live with
what you created, be grateful anyone posts your scans at all, it's
free advertising. And oh yeah, your silence is *deafening*.
your pal,
The *MIGHTY* (yet modest) Two Tub Man
On 20 Feb 1998 02:42:23 GMT, "Gatorr@TheSwamp" <gat...@mindspring.com>
wrote:
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>From: "ALS Scan, Inc." <sk...@smart.net>
>To: ab...@MINDSPRING.COM, hostm...@MINDSPRING.NET
>Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:26:40 +0000
>Subject: ALS Scan Federal Copyright Violation!!!
>CC: gat...@MINDSPRING.COM, Marylan...@juno.com,
>fal...@the-pentagon.com,
> a...@clark.net, "Rick Westin" <ope...@hotmail.com>
>Priority: normal
>
>
>Dear MindSpring ISP:
>
>We have identified the following individual as the poster of our ALS
>Scan Copyrighted images. This person has continued to post to the
>newsgroups ( alt.magazines.pornographic, and alt.als) and violate our
>copyright in large numbers.
[Plenty of worthless bullshit snipped]
reb...@rota.spain
i'm not a lawyer either, but the letter specifically stated film clips
or programs, which this is neither, so what the fuss? also, Gatorrs
site is a doorway to the als site, so I think that we are getting
snookered here and I cannot figure the reason. just an opinion
but i am an opinionated guy...
>In article <01bd3da9$3dcf3900$ab0c56d1@default>, "Gatorr@TheSwamp"
><gat...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
ALS
>In article <01bd3da9$3dcf3900$ab0c56d1@default>, "Gatorr@TheSwamp"
><gat...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>clipped for brevity
>
>I am not a lawyer, but from what I read above it would seem that if the
>value of the pirated?? software is over $2500 it is a felony.
>
>If it is over $1000 it is a misdemeanor.
>
>If it is less than $1000 it must not be a criminal offence then.
>
>ALS sells cd's with about 600 pics on them for $40.00. If someone were to
>post 600 pics then they would be guilty of pirating $40.00 worth of
>software. To reach $1000 they would have to post about 18,000 pics.
You are obviously NOT an attorney. The intrinsic value per image is
$1500.00. 2 images and it is a Felooy. Have doubts. Ask an
attorney.
.
On Sun, 22 Feb 1998 11:55:44 GMT, a...@clark.net (ALS) wrote:
>You are obviously NOT an attorney. The intrinsic value per image is
>$1500.00. 2 images and it is a Felooy. Have doubts. Ask an
>attorney.
well, they're good, but not that good!!!! get real, how can a jpeg have an
intrinsic value of $1500.00 Anything is only ever worth, what somebody is
prepared to pay for it. I'd suggest, an intrinsic value for an als jpeg is
the price it cost somebody to buy a cd, or access to the website so they can
download it...
Regards...
The *MIGHTY* (yet modest) Two Tub Man, H.R.M.
On Sun, 22 Feb 1998 11:55:44 GMT, a...@clark.net (ALS) wrote:
>
>You are obviously NOT an attorney. The intrinsic value per image is
>$1500.00. 2 images and it is a Felooy. Have doubts. Ask an
>attorney.
Hey ALS, if you'd ever had any particle of success in court, you'd be
telling us about it instead of making idle threats. Get lost.
Tub
nunya bidness
On Sun, 22 Feb 1998 16:07:30 GMT, .@. wrote:
>On Sun, 22 Feb 1998 11:55:44 GMT, a...@clark.net (ALS) wrote:
>
>>You are obviously NOT an attorney. The intrinsic value per image is
>>$1500.00. 2 images and it is a Felooy. Have doubts. Ask an
>>attorney.
>
>well, they're good, but not that good!!!! get real, how can a jpeg have an
>intrinsic value of $1500.00 Anything is only ever worth, what somebody is
>prepared to pay for it. I'd suggest, an intrinsic value for an als jpeg is
>the price it cost somebody to buy a cd, or access to the website so they can
>download it...
>
>Regards...
My only thought would be they are including the costs of paying the
models, paying for the place to do the shoot, costs of
photographers/equipment, etc. Still seems kind of steep.
Randydeluxe
On Sun, 22 Feb 1998 11:55:44 GMT, a...@clark.net (ALS) wrote:
>The intrinsic value per image is $1500.00. 2 images and it is a Felooy.
>Have doubts. Ask an attorney.
>
Bwwaaa-haa-haa-haa!!!!! This is too funny.
Someone claiming to be a representative of ALSSCAN who CAN'T
EVEN SPELL "FELONY" or put a "?" where it belongs claims that an
image of Paige shoving her fist up her twat is worth $1500!!!!! Hold on,
I can't see the screen!!! The tears of laughter are clouding my vision.
*ahem*
Let's break this down for this poor, misguided fool. If one ALS picture
is worth $1500 (giggle snort- sorry, laughter breaking through), then that
means that one of these posters who's got, oh, say 4000 ALSSCAN
images on his/her hard drive has got SIX MILLION DOLLARS on his
hands!
HEY Zed! Bl00by! You should call yourself the six million dollar men!!!
Someone who obviously doesn't have anything to do with ALSSCAN is
claiming that you've got a fortune on you machine! (albeit an illegal one,
or so they keep saying) The posters in this group must be Public Enemy
Number One!
--- Or someone (I won't point any fingers at a...@clark.net ) is out of their mind.
Remember when they claimed to have shot 2500 pictures of Jana? They paid
her a couple of thousand dollars for the shoot (simple math renders about
$1.00 per picture plus the cost of film and processing) and they walked away
with $3,750,000 in intellectual property!
Damn, you guys need to start paying these girls more.
CoLdSarT
Hahahaha...we're in the wrong buisness
Paco
Wow!!! I think the girls should file a lawsuit against them for armed
robbery(the weapon being the camera). For the small amount they get paid for
so many photos, it is almost SLAVERY and I thought SLAVERY was illegal in
the States.
I think if anyone has one of the girl's E-mail they should warn them of the
real value(1,500.00$/picture) of their work!
Paco
ALS wrote in message <34f011f4...@news.erols.com>...
>On Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:29:18 -0500, ja...@spamblock.worldnet.att.net
>(jarow) wrote:
>
>>In article <01bd3da9$3dcf3900$ab0c56d1@default>, "Gatorr@TheSwamp"
>><gat...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>> > Clinton signs Net antipiracy act
>>> > By Courtney Macavinta
>>> > December 17, 1997, 10:00 a.m. PT
>>> >
>>> > President Clinton signed a law that makes online piracy a felony
>>> > offense, even if the guilty parties never profit from exchanging
>>> > unauthorized digital copies of software, music, or literature.
>>> >
>>> > Drafted by Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-Virginia), the No Electronic Theft
>>> > (NET) Act, signed yesterday, makes distributing or possessing
>>> > illegal copies of online copyrighted material a federal crime if the
>>> > value of the works is $2,500 or more.
>>> >
>You are obviously NOT an attorney. The intrinsic value per image is
Jeffery Robbins
n Sun, 22 Feb 1998 11:55:44 GMT, a...@clark.net (ALS) wrote:
>You are obviously NOT an attorney. The intrinsic value per image is
>$1500.00. 2 images and it is a Felooy. Have doubts. Ask an
>attorney.
>
What's a "felooy", never heard this one before (hehehe). Oh, and "Have
doubts" is a question not a statement. BTW, I was going to purchase
the Jana CD from you guys tomorrow, well, I changed my mind. One thing
I don't like to get is child porn and when I found out about what ALS
used to be... well, you get it, don't you? (I used the right
punkuation! I didn't spell that right, did I?)
THE ARJMAN
nunya bidness wrote:
>
> On Sun, 22 Feb 1998 16:07:30 GMT, .@. wrote:
>
> >
> >>You are obviously NOT an attorney. The intrinsic value per image is
> >>$1500.00. 2 images and it is a Felooy. Have doubts. Ask an
> >>attorney.
> >
> >intrinsic value of $1500.00 Anything is only ever worth, what somebody is
> >prepared to pay for it. I'd suggest, an intrinsic value for an als jpeg is
> >the price it cost somebody to buy a cd, or access to the website so they can
> >download it...
> >
> >Regards...
>
> My only thought would be they are including the costs of paying the
> models, paying for the place to do the shoot, costs of
> photographers/equipment, etc. Still seems kind of steep.
Considering they average 200 used CD pics a shoot and who knows how many
outtakes, bonuses etc and they pay on average 2000 a shoot to the model
I seriously doubt it costs more than 1000 a picture but intrinsic value
is not wht one person is willing to pay. It's what they could make of
of the picture total with all potential sales. It would be calculated
based on what ALS lost because of your posting.
Bryan
How much is the FREE advertising theer getting here worth??? Did I spell
everything rigt??? Bry
MRasmus603
>ATTN: EVERYONE----READ!!!--------
>From: "Gatorr@TheSwamp" <gat...@mindspring.com>
>Subject: ALS Scan Federal Copyright Violation!!!
This msg is a fake. There is a group of trollers who pride themselves in
creating this type of msg. These are the same characters who posted the
previous msg's dealing with this subject. I ran across a thread in one of the
hack ng where they were awarding themselves on the havoc they were creating in
various newsgroups. A number of posters were being acknowledged for their
ingenuity and commitments were made to be more creative in their efforts to
creating turmoile in the binarie ng. They seemed to take special enjoyment in
posting fake copywright scares.
THE ARJMAN
Jeffery Robbins wrote:
>
> n Sun, 22 Feb 1998 11:55:44 GMT, a...@clark.net (ALS) wrote:
>
> >You are obviously NOT an attorney. The intrinsic value per image is
> >$1500.00. 2 images and it is a Felooy. Have doubts. Ask an
> >attorney.
> >
>
> doubts" is a question not a statement. BTW, I was going to purchase
> the Jana CD from you guys tomorrow, well, I changed my mind. One thing
> I don't like to get is child porn and when I found out about what ALS
> used to be... well, you get it, don't you? (I used the right
> punkuation! I didn't spell that right, did I?)
>
> jrob...@pacbell.net
Yah, What he said
Gatorr@TheSwamp
Well, to all of you who are arguing back and forth on the legality of this,
I am the one who is catching the brunt of the Bull Shit. When I dialed up
the phone number for the attorney they listed, it went to an actual
attorney. I have been digging into the background of ALS though and as was
stated in previous posting all has been true. The way they started and all,
though at the time I didn't realize that these were true. When they first
started these terrorist tactics I made the links in my web site point to
them. Well follow them and see what we can find now............ :)
Larry
In article <34F36A...@hotmail.com>, razam...@hotmail.com says...
enforeced if the image doesn't say its copywritten. Many of the older
postings in the "fisting" group did not state that they were
coppywritten. Furthermore, many of their images showed fisting, which
is up there with "child-pronography". If ALS so desires to enforce
copyright violations, they may very well end up in jail for posting
illegal pornography in the United States.