Buy a Volt ...

[Hägar]

... after all, it's your tax money ... bwahahahahahhh

http://conservativebyte.com/2012/02/see-the-chevy-volt-parody-ad-that-gm-probably-doesnt-like/

I think every Liberal should own one ...

[Brad Guth]

On Feb 26, 7:44 pm, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ... after all, it's your tax money ... bwahahahahahhh
>

> http://conservativebyte.com/2012/02/see-the-chevy-volt-parody-ad-that...

>
> I think every Liberal should own one ...

Just because your Studebaker truck runs 10 miles on a hundred pounds
of coal, is not a good enough reason for the rest of us to entirely
give up on the electrics, especially with gasoline and diesel headed
towards $10/gallon, when fuel cells are capable of delivering 60%
efficiency and there's no global shortage of hydrogen, or in you case
of unlimited personal methane via deep-fried roadkill. There's also
Boeing PVs running at 100% efficiency of converting the available
sunlight into electrons, that can be directly utilized and/or easily
stored in a super-capacitor or simply via lithium or h2o2 batteries.
There's also my dual fuel ICE (micro radial turbine) that uses HTP
plus only a little portion of quality synfuel or just about any old
liquid or gaseous hydrocarbon, for delivering by far the most miles
per gallon of most any synfuel, and it gets better yet when combusted
along with water vapor or in this case by using HTP that'll offer the
most bang per kg of hydrocarbon, and of course there's minimal CO2 and
always zero NOx.

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[Hägar]

"Brad Guth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 26, 7:44 pm, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ... after all, it's your tax money ... bwahahahahahhh
>
> http://conservativebyte.com/2012/02/see-the-chevy-volt-parody-ad-that...
>
> I think every Liberal should own one ...

Just because your Studebaker truck runs 10 miles on a hundred pounds
of coal, is not a good enough reason for the rest of us to entirely
give up on the electrics, especially with gasoline and diesel headed
towards $10/gallon, when fuel cells are capable of delivering 60%
efficiency and there's no global shortage of hydrogen, or in you case
of unlimited personal methane via deep-fried roadkill. There's also
Boeing PVs running at 100% efficiency of converting the available
sunlight into electrons, that can be directly utilized and/or easily
stored in a super-capacitor or simply via lithium or h2o2 batteries.
There's also my dual fuel ICE (micro radial turbine) that uses

********************************
You should get together with BeeertBrain and his many energy
saving pipe dreams and schemes ... between the two of you,
the No Bell Prize might become a reality ... unless Nurse Ratchet nabs your
sorry asses first ... back to the Cuckoo's nest ...

[Andrew W]

"Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> ... after all, it's your tax money ... bwahahahahahhh
>
> http://conservativebyte.com/2012/02/see-the-chevy-volt-parody-ad-that-gm-probably-doesnt-like/
>
> I think every Liberal should own one ...
>
>

12 Myths About Electric Vehicles
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/myths-electic-cars-vehicles.htm

Electric Vehicles: Myths vs. Reality
http://www.sierraclub.org/electric-vehicles/myths.aspx

If you don't like electric cars then there's hybrid. Then you never have to
plug into an electric socket.

[Larry Kroger]

It's vaguely tempting to buy a Volt, in that how else can you get
something that cost $250,000 to make for at the (pardon the expression)
fire sale price of $38,000. I mean, kidding aside, it looks like a neat
car, and the real issue isn't that it's likely to burn. The problem is,
even at that subsidized price, it's expensive. And the thing that the
Obamas of the world seem incapable of grasping is that it's more
wasteful to subsidize expensive stuff than to let people buy cheap
stuff. It's all just payoffs and posturing, and we're left with debts
and a few rich yuppies showing off their cool toys.

FWIW, the "official" websites:

http://www.obamavolt2012.com/

http://www.bailoutcost.com/

I'd quibble with their presentation to this extent: The auto bailouts
were initiated by George Bush, who briefly held the dubious honor of
being the most fiscally irresponsible president America has ever had,
before Barrack Obama quickly snatched the crown away from him. Will the
Republicans field a candidate who will halt the insanity, or is the
dysfunction unstoppable before the system actually collapses?

[Brad Guth]

On Feb 27, 12:16 pm, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message

Except my method works like a charm as is.

[The Patriot]

"Brad Guth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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**************************************************************So Guthball, run out and buy a Volt. Oh yes, don'tforget to ask about the Amps and Watts while you are atthe dealers.

[Hägar]

"Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> ... after all, it's your tax money ... bwahahahahahhh
>
> http://conservativebyte.com/2012/02/see-the-chevy-volt-parody-ad-that-gm-probably-doesnt-like/
>
> I think every Liberal should own one ...
>
>

The only people making ANY money on the Volt are the car dealers who sell
them to each other, in order to snag the $7500 incentive from the
Government. Then they sit on the lot as expensive, but used clunkers,
hatched by an insanity wrought Administration of Liberal doofi.

[Andrew W]

"Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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Hybrid cars are our future.

[Brad Guth]

On Feb 28, 1:47 pm, "Andrew W" <remove_ajwer...@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:

> "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:zpGdnXuEWpaRYdfS...@giganews.com...
> >> ... after all, it's your tax money ... bwahahahahahhh
>

> >>http://conservativebyte.com/2012/02/see-the-chevy-volt-parody-ad-that...

>
> >> I think every Liberal should own one ...
>
> > The only people making ANY money on the Volt are the car dealers who sell
> > them to each other, in order to snag the $7500 incentive from the
> > Government.  Then they sit on the lot as expensive, but used clunkers,
> > hatched by an insanity wrought Administration of Liberal doofi.
>
> Hybrid cars are our future.

Exactly, and I can provide a 100 kg motor-generator of 100 kw that
doesn't create 10% as much CO2 and zero NOx, as a hybrid that would
make a full scale Hummer yield 100 mpg from the quality coal-synfuel
and a 32 kwhr battery, and otherwise a more sensible car/SUV that'll
provide 200 MPG with only a 16 kwhr battery.

However, a third of us could get by quite nicely with a purely
electric offering the range of 25~30 miles per day, because that could
be recharged without overloading the existing grid. A double recharge
per day could offer 60 miles range without having any hydrocarbon
engine of spendy fuel cell to keep resupplied with fuel.

The all-inclusive cost of the battery (including its financing and
servicing) has to get below $0.10/mile, and right now it's worth at
least half again that much, or roughly double that much if when you
care to include the cost of recharging it. $0.25~$0.30/mile is not
very affordable, especially when you're paying such a high entry level
price for the all-electric to begin with, and your full comprehensive
insurance is half again as spendy to boot, plus hefty state tax and
license fees.

Most of us couldn't afford to keep and utilize an all-electric if it
were given to us.

[i2i]

"Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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man, that volt is one hot car, eh?

[Hägar]

"i2i" <boo...@netzero.net> wrote in message
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Looks sexy, just sitting there ... but drive it for 100 miles. You can go
shopping on three Continents while it re-charges its "explosive" batteries
....
Reminds me of a bar fly ... strip away all veneer, wipe the makeup and
remove the tight fitting jeans, there's an ugly blob beneath it all ...

[Brad Guth]

On Feb 29, 5:45 am, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "i2i" <boo...@netzero.net> wrote in message
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> >news:JrSdnYMPyKLHrNDS...@giganews.com...
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> >> "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>news:zpGdnXuEWpaRYdfS...@giganews.com...
> >>> ... after all, it's your tax money ... bwahahahahahhh
>

> >>>http://conservativebyte.com/2012/02/see-the-chevy-volt-parody-ad-that...

>
> >>> I think every Liberal should own one ...
>
> >> The only people making ANY money on the Volt are the car dealers who sell
> >> them to each other, in order to snag the $7500 incentive from the
> >> Government.  Then they sit on the lot as expensive, but used clunkers,
> >> hatched by an insanity wrought Administration of Liberal doofi.
>
> > man, that volt is one hot car, eh?
>
> Looks sexy, just sitting there ... but drive it for 100 miles.  You can go
> shopping on three Continents while it re-charges its "explosive" batteries
> ....
> Reminds me of a bar fly ... strip away all veneer, wipe the makeup and
> remove the tight fitting jeans, there's an ugly blob beneath it all ...

Yes, we all know that you and other crackheads have way better uses
for that lithium.

16 kwhr worth of lithium should have a street price of perhaps
$160,000.00

[G=EMC^2]

On Feb 27, 3:48 pm, "Andrew W" <remove_ajwer...@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:

> "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:zpGdnXuEWpaRYdfS...@giganews.com...
>
> > ... after all, it's your tax money ... bwahahahahahhh
>

> >http://conservativebyte.com/2012/02/see-the-chevy-volt-parody-ad-that...

>
> > I think every Liberal should own one ...
>

> 12 Myths About Electric Vehicleshttp://auto.howstuffworks.com/myths-electic-cars-vehicles.htm
>
> Electric Vehicles: Myths vs. Realityhttp://www.sierraclub.org/electric-vehicles/myths.aspx

>
> If you don't like electric cars then there's hybrid. Then you never have to
> plug into an electric socket.

Hybrid is the only way to go. TreBert

[Brad Guth]

Why yes indeed, those hybrids intended for the already rich and
powerful that can easily afford them, in part because we get to pay
for their federal tax credits and the near zero interest loans which
only they qualify for, but then we all know that Hagar and other Mafia

crackheads have way better uses for that lithium.

16 kwhr worth of lithium battery should have a street and trailer park
price of perhaps $1.6M

[Brad Guth]

On Feb 26, 7:44 pm, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> ... after all, it's your tax money ... bwahahahahahhh
>

> http://conservativebyte.com/2012/02/see-the-chevy-volt-parody-ad-that...

>
> I think every Liberal should own one ...

A typical VOLT for the PNW is only going to get 16 miles per full
charge, and a daily use of that full charge is going give roughly a
full year's worth of use before it'll need a replacement battery if
the bottom line is to remain capable of 16 miles per charge. So, at
best it's not a good deal as it currently stands, unless the local
electric energy is discounted by 50% and the battery replacement cost
doesn't exceed 10 cents per mile for roughly a 6000 mile annual
usage. Any extra millage per year would have to be accomplished by
its 30 mpg engine driven generator capability.

It's unlikely that any replacement of the 16 kwhr battery is going to
cost $600, or even $6000.

So, the Chevy Volt is DOA, just like 99.9% of the privet boats and
yachts are worth little more than spendy coffins.

[G=EMC^2]

Volt is good for doctors,lawyers, and Indian chiefs, GM need not
worry they make their money selling stock to the treasury. Get the
picture yet TreBert

[Brad Guth]

And once again, there's not a single Muslim or even anyone Moorish in
that GM mafia cesspool. Too bad we can't say the same thing about
Jews and their pretend-Atheists partners in crimes against humanity
(same as those running Florida).

[REDRUM KILGORE]

On Feb 26, 10:44 pm, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ... after all, it's your tax money ... bwahahahahahhh
>

> http://conservativebyte.com/2012/02/see-the-chevy-volt-parody-ad-that...

>
> I think every Liberal should own one ...

Hagar's family is trying to piggyback on that campaign by offering
Hagar's services under the tag line "Buy a Dolt". No takers so far.

[Brad Guth]

On Feb 26, 7:44 pm, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ... after all, it's your tax money ... bwahahahahahhh
>

> http://conservativebyte.com/2012/02/see-the-chevy-volt-parody-ad-that...

>
> I think every Liberal should own one ...

A typical VOLT for driving the Pacific North West is only going to get
16 miles per full charge before the hydrocarbon burning engine curs
in, and a daily use of that full charge is going give roughly a full

year's worth of use before it'll need a replacement battery if the
bottom line is to remain capable of 16 miles per charge. So, at best
it's not a good deal as it currently stands, unless the local electric
energy is discounted by 50% and the battery replacement cost doesn't
exceed 10 cents per mile for roughly a 6000 mile annual usage. Any
extra millage per year would have to be accomplished by its 30 mpg
engine driven generator capability.

It's unlikely that any replacement of that 16 kwhr battery is going to

cost $600, or even $6000.

So, the Chevy Volt is clearly DOA, just like 99.9% of privet boats and
yachts that burn as much as 25 gallons per nautical mile are worth
little more than spendy coffins for the rich and powerful that really
don't care how much anything cost to own or operate. Most honest
family boats/yachts of toughly 60 foot class are stuck with burning a
gallon/nm, instead of the 10 nm/gallon that's technically possible.
In order to get any better than 1 nm/gall, they run barely above idle
to/from wherever, using less than 10% of their rated cruising engine
power, and they usually don't bother going against the tide.

[Brad Guth]

Perhaps Chevy Volts come with their own built-in butt tasers, whereas
as soon as you start using their car anything like a normal car, it
zaps you in the butt. Apparently you're only supposed to drive it
alone and conservatively on flat ground while doing a lot of coasting
and tail-wind surfing whenever possible, as well as never using any
cabin heating, cooling or defrosting, as well as minimal if any
nighttime driving in order to get still that 25+ miles range per
electric charge after a full year of daily usage.

32 miles range at 32 mph = 1 hour consuming 16 KWhr (roughly 16 shp
and approximately delivering what a gallon of gasoline and its
conventional engine can deliver because of less inert mass). Of
course in some instances this all-electric phase can still work like a
charm as long as you are wealthy and tax rebate privileged enough to
begin with.

Eventually a 32 kwhr battery and electric utility rate discounts of
50% to go along with a replacement battery that'll only cost us ten
cents per mile will be just the ticket.

[Hägar]

"Brad Guth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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*** I wouldn't know ... but I make a mental note that you had a wild-ass
guess at it ... probably wrong, like most of your shit.

[Brad Guth]

On Mar 1, 5:58 pm, "Hägar" <hs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message

My bad. 16 kwhr of lithium is worth as much as $1.6M when resold in
your neck of the woods.

You could make a fortune just buying Volts and scrapping them out for
their lithium.

[G=EMC^2]

Here is an easy idea on how to build your own hybrid using a 1967
Voltzwagan. Put electric motor up front. It would f have front
drive. Use 3 car batteries (no big expense. Build it on TV so others
can copy.Cost to build about $3,000 It would be better than a Volt.
Never need charging. Four wheel driving great for snowy hills. It
would add weight,and that was always deeded. Think about it
TreBert PS I will call it the VWE

[HVAC]

On 3/2/2012 8:05 AM, G=EMC^2 wrote:
>
>
> Here is an easy idea on how to build your own hybrid using a 1967
> Voltzwagan. Put electric motor up front. It would f have front
> drive. Use 3 car batteries (no big expense. Build it on TV so others
> can copy.Cost to build about $3,000 It would be better than a Volt.
> Never need charging. Four wheel driving great for snowy hills. It
> would add weight,and that was always deeded. Think about it
> TreBert PS I will call it the VWE

Bert, congratulations!
You've truly out-tarded yourself with this one.

Just a couple of quick questions which I'm SURE you
have a solution for.

1) How far do you believe this vehicle will run on
three car batteries? Will it even go 5 miles?

2) Is the gasoline engine staying?

3) You can completely redesign and rebuild the drive
train for three thousand dollars?

4) Why would it never need charging? Have you finally
developed perpetual motion?

5) What did you do with all the money?


--
"OK you cunts, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo

[G=EMC^2]

First rear gas engine stays It keeps the three 12 volt batters that
run electric motor. Front wheel axle drive been around for 40 years.
Or you can have an electric motor for each front wheel Electric motor
kicks in when car is up to 45mph with no stop and go. Also kicks in
going up hills. Gas + electric is the way to go. Once your paying
over $25,000 for a Volt you can be sure GOP Mafia is behind it.
Romney has 6 cars and they burn high test GOPers only drive heavy gas
guzzlers. Reason relates with not fighting Bush wars.(Hazadous to your
health) If Ford reads this I could add some great engineering,and it
would sell. 20,000,000 people need this car. These 20,000,000 would be
given jobs to build these VWE. With jobs they could buy one. Its a
win win deal If I had a garage I could build one easily. Front
drive I worked out as I typed this. I know how everything works an how
it can be made better. TreBert PS Lots of trains are hybrid to pull
heavy loads up mountains out west

[Brad Guth]

A good little hybrid would need at least 8 kwhr of extremely good deep
cycle batteries.

Standard Sears diehard battery has enough zinc to withstand perhaps
150 super-deep 100% cycles, or 300 cycles at 75% and perhaps lasting
at best 600 cycles at 50% discharge.

A commercial UPS 170 pound 8D battery in this hybrid application is
good for 1 kwhr per fast one-hour discharge cycle, so you'd need
roughly 8 of those or 1360 pounds worth of battery. These batteries
are going to get pretty darn warm when discharged and recharged so
quickly, and you'll need something more like a VW bus or van in order
to accommodate 8 of these batteries that'll take up roughly a third of
the seating and perhaps 75% of the weight hauling capacity.

So every 3 years we install new batteries and we're good to go. Btw;
these 8Ds currently cost roughly $520 each.

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=8d+battery&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=1240007767239090202&sa=X&ei=zqtRT97nO-rhiAKAhuS0Bg&ved=0CIkBEPMCMAM

Spending $4160 every 3 years (possibly getting 4 years life but by
then figure on it costing us $6000 due to inflation) isn't so bad if
the mileage were something like 10,000 miles per year is a battery
cost of only 15~20 cents per mile in this hybrid VW van application
(plus the cost of recharging energy from hydrocarbon fuel and/or via
120 volt 20 amp outlet that'll recharge at 2 kw/hr and figure a
minimum of 6 hours if fully discharged or 3 hours at 50%, and we
should plan on paying $.25/kwhr.)

So, technically it's doable, but not by much, especially after
spending the extra twenty thousand on top of whatever the VW van or
SUV cost.

Wheel motors of rare earth magnets are not cheap, nor will the really
big alternator driven off the main gas or diesel engine be anything
off the shelf. The little computer and all the necessary controlling
circuits will be a given at perhaps $5000.

[HVAC]

On 3/2/2012 6:29 PM, G=EMC^2 wrote:
>
>>
>> Bert, congratulations!
>> You've truly out-tarded yourself with this one.
>>
>> Just a couple of quick questions which I'm SURE you
>> have a solution for.
>>
>> 1) How far do you believe this vehicle will run on
>> three car batteries? Will it even go 5 miles?
>>
>> 2) Is the gasoline engine staying?
>>
>> 3) You can completely redesign and rebuild the drive
>> train for three thousand dollars?
>>
>> 4) Why would it never need charging? Have you finally
>> developed perpetual motion?
>>
>> 5) What did you do with all the money?
>>
>> --
>>

> First rear gas engine stays It keeps the three 12 volt batters that
> run electric motor. Front wheel axle drive been around for 40 years.
> Or you can have an electric motor for each front wheel Electric motor
> kicks in when car is up to 45mph with no stop and go. Also kicks in
> going up hills. Gas + electric is the way to go. Once your paying
> over $25,000 for a Volt you can be sure GOP Mafia is behind it.
> Romney has 6 cars and they burn high test GOPers only drive heavy gas
> guzzlers. Reason relates with not fighting Bush wars.(Hazadous to your
> health) If Ford reads this I could add some great engineering,and it
> would sell. 20,000,000 people need this car. These 20,000,000 would be
> given jobs to build these VWE. With jobs they could buy one. Its a
> win win deal If I had a garage I could build one easily. Front
> drive I worked out as I typed this. I know how everything works an how
> it can be made better. TreBert PS Lots of trains are hybrid to pull
> heavy loads up mountains out west

You didn't answer question 5.

[HVAC]

On 3/2/2012 6:29 PM, G=EMC^2 wrote:
>
>

> First rear gas engine stays It keeps the three 12 volt batters that
> run electric motor.

Absolutely ridiculous. Just a glance at the laws of thermodynamics
shows that this is a patently absurd idea.

Honestly, did you put in ANY research or even thought into this?

Front wheel axle drive been around for 40 years.
> Or you can have an electric motor for each front wheel Electric motor
> kicks in when car is up to 45mph with no stop and go. Also kicks in
> going up hills. Gas + electric is the way to go. Once your paying
> over $25,000 for a Volt you can be sure GOP Mafia is behind it.
> Romney has 6 cars and they burn high test GOPers only drive heavy gas
> guzzlers. Reason relates with not fighting Bush wars.(Hazadous to your
> health) If Ford reads this I could add some great engineering,and it
> would sell. 20,000,000 people need this car. These 20,000,000 would be
> given jobs to build these VWE. With jobs they could buy one. Its a
> win win deal If I had a garage I could build one easily. Front
> drive I worked out as I typed this. I know how everything works an how
> it can be made better. TreBert PS Lots of trains are hybrid to pull
> heavy loads up mountains out west

[G=EMC^2]

Just on the news Volt about to be scraped If my VWE was built it would
run the volt into the ground. Yes I have worked out every detail. I
have made it simpler .So its now cheaper to build. Nice feature of
electric motor it draws only enough energy as needed. Its clean and
silent.Starts instantly,and has only one moving part. I have an
innovation I thought of that will work so well. Hybrid is the only
way to go. TreBert

[HVAC]

On 3/3/2012 10:02 AM, G=EMC^2 wrote:
>
>
> Just on the news Volt about to be scraped If my VWE was built it would
> run the volt into the ground. Yes I have worked out every detail. I
> have made it simpler .So its now cheaper to build. Nice feature of
> electric motor it draws only enough energy as needed. Its clean and
> silent.Starts instantly,and has only one moving part.

Let me guess... A horse?

No offense, Bert, but you're an idiot.





PS- Have a nice day! :-)