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With apologies to Einstuerzende Neubauten:
http://www.neubauten.org/tabula/interimsliebenden_e.php
I have modified Die Interimsliebenden to apply to Alexa Cameron.
Enjoy, you nutty bitch!


"The Interimdelusions"
by Robert Buchanan
------------------

In the empty space of one head slipped
there is big bang and human extinctions
from red giants to white dwarfs
the whole number
of motherships are falling
through news servers
in the description of a saucer
of the interimdelusions

of the interimdelusions
in the interim

between keyboard and monitor
between Alexa and insanity
between amoeba-state and virginity
between sexlessness and frustration

here she is
the interimdeluded

from her psychotic mind
lives a UFO
with each humming swoop of its curves
too swift for cameras to capture
hoaxes flourish and perish
whole satellites vanish
there are no harmless words
all nonexistent
some bullshit most simple *implodes*
in 10^14 for
the interimdelusions

the interimdelusions
in the interim

between jilted love and welding torches
between world trade towers and groom lake
between free energy and thermodynamics
between lockheed and haliburton

the interimdeluded is
in the interimdelusions
in the
INTERIM

in the time it takes
to spam more screed
she has kooked out
American government is felled
Congress dissolved
elections held
results annulled
new recounts called
then Bush was exiled
on Usenet reviled
I wade through the filth of kooky
hypotheses
freaked, freaky, freakish by freaks
with lunatics far too snide
for the interimdelusions

the interimdelusions
are deluded in the interim

between imagination and true physics
between HUGE POOLS and MOLTEN STEEL
between spacecraft and the sea floor
between tinfoil and 100% pure aluminum
she lies amidst stuffed Grays

thirstily devour
that last little drop of screed
they are not there yesterday
and tomorrow not yet
the interim
the interimdeluded
they have not arrived yesterday
and tomorrow not yet
not really
the interimdelusions
they have not arrived yesterday
and tomorrow not yet

--
Robert Buchanan
http://www.robertbuchanan.us

"...live and recorded performance of classical music is stone cold dead."
<6Hjkc.18037$e4...@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Does ignorant buffoon Bill Cleere have the faintest clue that Mikhail
Pletnev, Zoltán Kocsis, Anne-Sophie Mutter, Claudio Abbado, Itzhak Perlman,
Paul Crossley, Gidon Kremer, Martha Argerich, Kyoko Takezawa, Alexander
Mogilewsky, Alexandre Gurning, Mitsuko Uchida, and so many other
accomplished performers still record and perform music to sold-out shows
and good sales? Does he even know who these reknowned musicians are?

*

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On 05 May 2004 21:36:38 GMT, Robert Buchanan <rbuc...@neubauten.forge>
wrote:

>With apologies to Einstuerzende Neubauten:
>http://www.neubauten.org/tabula/interimsliebenden_e.php
>I have modified Die Interimsliebenden to apply to Alexa Cameron.
>Enjoy, you nutty bitch!

{...}

Cause and Effect

Here's the cause:

http://www.gisdevelopment.net/technology/rs/techrs0020.htm

Remote Sensing - an overview


Remote Sensing (RS) is the science and art of acquiring information
(spectral, spatial, temporal) about material objects, area, or phenomenon,
without coming into physical contact with the objects, or area, or
phenomenon under investigation. Without direct contact, some means of
transferring information through space must be utilised. In remote sensing,
information transfer is accomplished by use of electromagnetic radiation
(EMR). EMR is a form of energy that reveals its presence by the observable
effects it produces when it strikes the matter. EMR is considered to span
the spectrum of wavelengths from 10-10 mm to cosmic rays up to 1010 mm, the
broadcast wavelengths, which extend from 0.30-15 mm.

Types of Remote Sensing
In respect to the type of Energy Resources
Passive Remote Sensing: Makes use of sensors that detect the reflected or
emitted electro-magnetic radiation from natural sources.
Active Remote Sensing: Makes use of sensors that detect reflected responses
from objects that are irradiated from artificially-generated energy sources,
such as radar.
In respect to Wavelength Regions
Remote Sensing is classified into three types in respect to the wavelength
regions
Visible and Reflective Infrared Remote Sensing
Thermal Infrared Remote Sensing
Microwave Remote Sensing
Bands Used in Remote Sensing
Emission of EMR (Electo-Magnetic Radiation) from gases is due to atoms and
molecules in the gas. Atoms consist of a positively charged nucleus
surrounded by orbiting electrons, which have discrete energy states.
Transition of electrons from one energy state to the other leads to emission
of radiation at discrete wavelengths. The resulting spectrum is called line
spectrum. Molecules possess rotational and vibrational energy states.
Transition between which leads to emission of radiation in a band spectrum.
The wavelengths, which are emitted by atoms/molecules, are also the ones,
which are absorbed by them. Emission from solids and liquids occurs when
they are heated and results in a continuous spectrum. This is called thermal
emission and it is an important source of EMR from the viewpoint of remote
sensing.

The Electro-Magnetic Radiation (EMR), which is reflected or emitted from an
object, is the usual source of Remote Sensing data. However, any medium,
such as gravity or magnetic fields, can be used in remote sensing.

Remote Sensing Technology makes use of the wide range Electro-Magnetic
Spectrum (EMS) from a very short wave "Gamma Ray" to a very long 'Radio
Wave'.

Wavelength regions of electro-magnetic radiation have different names
ranging from Gamma ray, X-ray, Ultraviolet (UV), Visible light, Infrared
(IR) to Radio Wave, in order from the shorter wavelengths. {see rest of
article URL above}

Also see:

http://www.rhfweb.com/hweb/shared2/usexist.html

http://www.hpcc.gov/pubs/imp97/73.html

http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~alb/misc/thoughtPatterns.html

"The Central Intelligence Agency funded research on electromagnetic mind
control at least as early as 1960, when the notorious MKULTRA program,
mostly concerned with hypnosis and psychedelic drugs, included money for
adapting bioelectric sensing methods (at that time primarily the EEG) to
surveillance and interrogation, as well as for finding `techniques of
activation of the human organism by remote electronic means.'"

http://www.arm.gov/docs/about/history.html

http://liun.hektik.org/tag/cw/cl/satsurv.htm

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?noframes%3Bread=34754

US Patent # 3,393,279. July 16th, 1968
US Patent # 3,647,970. March 7th, 1972
The Neurophone was developed by Dr Patrick Flanagan in 1958. It's a device
that converts sound to electrical impulses. In its original form electrodes
were placed on the skin but with defence department developments, the
signals can be delivered via satellite. They then travel the nervous system
directly to the brain (bypassing normal hearing mechanisms). Dr Flanagan's
"3D holographic sound system" can place sounds in any location as perceived
by the targeted / tortured listener. This allows for a variety of deceptions
for gullible victims.

Today, the CIA (etc) use satellites and ground - based equipment to deliver
verbal threats, deafening noise and propaganda; using neurophone technology.
Anything from TV's/radio's appearing to operate when switched off through to
"Voices from God" and encounters with "telepathic" aliens are all cons using
neurophone technologies to torment, deceive and (most importantly) discredit
agency/criminal targets. Naturally, the system can mimic anyone's voice and
automatic computer translations (into any language) are incorporated.

http://www.iahf.com/nsa/20010214.html

How The NSA Harasses Thousands Of Law Abiding Americans Daily By The Usage
Of Remote Neural Monitoring (RNM)


John St. Clair Akwei
vs.
NSA, Ft. Meade, MD, USA


**************************************************************************************************

And here's the effect:


EMR Safety Network-International

Submission to the Senate Inquiry
into Electromagnetic Energy Exposure to the Public

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

1. INJURY TO HEALTH DUE TO EME EXPOSURE

Many people are already suffering injury to health from environmental EME

2. SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE OF EME INJURY

It is now possible to test for blood cell abnormalities caused by EME
exposure.

3. CHILDRENS' HEALTH AT RISK

Studies show childhood leukemia a greater risk in association with RFR
exposure.

4. GENETIC IMPLICATIONS

Future generations at greater risk

5. CANCER CONNECTION

Strong anecdotal and scientific evidence of cancer development/acceleration
in certain zones of influence of EME.

6. MOUNTING ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE

The anecdotal evidence of an increasing number of people reinforces
scientific evidence that EME of low level, (non-heating) exposure is
implicated in the development of human diseases.

7. SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE IS NOT LONGER SO UNCERTAIN

The evidence of the connection between human health and EME exposure now
firmly established.

8. AUSTRALIAN PRUDENT AVOIDANCE GUIDELINES (50-HERTZ)

A new document is now in the public domain which recognises the need for a
prudent avoidance policy in regard to EME exposure. We urgently need the
widespread adoption of these GUIDELINES in the community interest.

9. INTERNATIONAL COMMISSION ON N0N-IONIZING RADIATION PROTECTION (ICNIRP)
GUIDELINES ARE UNACCEPTABLE

In their present form, where the lower level (non-heating) EME exposure is
not addressed the ICNIRP GUIDELINES are unacceptable as a basis for a health
standard for human exposure to EME of any frequency.

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EMR SAFETY NETWORK-INTERNATIONAL

- working toward a safer environment -


216 President Ave,
Miranda NSW , 2228 Australia
Phone +61 02 9540 3936
E-mail: emrs...@iform.com.au


Senate Environment, Communications,
Information Technology and the Arts References Committee,
Parliament House,
Canberra ACT 2600.

10 June 2000

Dear Sirs/Madam

We appreciate the opportunity to put before the Senate Inquiry our genuine
concerns regarding community exposure to Electromagnetic Energy . (EME )

This submission , offered in the interest of the general community, will
briefly comment on an important minority group of people within the
community.

1. INJURY TO HEALTH DUE TO EME EXPOSURE

A process of elimination has revealed that injury to health has occurred due
to EME exposure. Increasing numbers of people world-wide, find they can no
longer tolerate such exposure in the home or workplace. They have become
'hyper-sensitive' to our artificially generated electric and magnetic field
energy. (EME)

Rather than being judged condescendingly as oddities and a minority group of
little consequence, this group may well be used as a valid means of gauging
the future health status of the general community, with regard to EME
exposure. This statement is completely justified, given the proliferation of
environmental EME, the unremitting exposure to the community, and the
increasing numbers of people succumbing to EME injury, while exposed to the
energy associated with electrically operated and radio/microwave
transmitting apparatus.

Numerous scientific references exist which clearly reflect the conditions
suffered by these people.

2. SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE OF ELECTRICAL INJURY

Injury to membranes of blood cells.

Electromagnetic fields can affect the body cells and cause disease. This is
shown in a Swedish study released on June 6, 1996. Many electrosensitive
persons suffer from fatigue and concentration difficulties their symptoms
often dismissed as extreme intolerance to stress or imaginary illness.
Professor Per-Arne Ockerman, professor of Clinical Chemistry in Gothenburg,
Sweden, has examined what actually happens in the body when an
electrosensitive individual is exposed to electromagnetic fields. (i)

References:

(i)
Ockerman Study (see attachment #1)

(ii)
Cellular Stress is Induced by Electromagnetic Fields. R. Goodman, H. Lin,
L. Han, M. Jin and M. Blank, Departments of Pathology and Physiology,
Columbia University, New York, New York 10032 U.S.A. It mentions in the
Results and Discussion of this paper that data on magnetic field stimulation
maybe considered along with other environmental stresses.

(iii)
Poole C, Kavet R, Funch DP, Donelan K, Charry JM, Dreyer NA. Depressive
symptoms and headaches in relation to proximity to an alternating-current
transmission line right-of-way. American Journal of epidemiology.
1993:137:318-30.

(iv)
Dolk, H., Elliott, P., Shaddick, G., Walls, P., Grundy, G., and Thakrar,
G., 1997b: Cancer incidence near radio and television transmitters in Great
Britain, II All high power transmitters. American J. of Epidemiology, 145(1)
pp 10-17.

3. CHILDREN'S HEALTH AT RISK

There are also serious concerns in regard to the aggregate of EME exposure
to the community, especially children, who are repeatedly exposed,
simultaneously, to a number of frequencies of electromagnetic energy, at any
time of the day or night in the school, home and workplace.

(# 4) Hocking B Gordon I Hatfield G Grain H. Cancer incidence and proximity
to TV towers Med J Aust 1996; 165: 601-605). Conclusion: "There was an
association between proximity to the TV towers and decreased survival among
cases of childhood leukemia." The risk factor (mortality rate ratio) was
2.1. i.e., Those leukemia victims living within the inner ring (of proximity
to the towers) had a death experience ratio that was 2.1 times that of those
who lived in the outer ring (of proximity to the TV towers) in North Sydney,
Australia.....

There are newspaper reports from the UK that episodes of epileptic seizures
have increased in number in a school since mobile phone use has increased.

4.GENETIC IMPLICATIONS

EME has been found to cause DNA changes which may lead to genetic
abnormalities.

DNA damage and red blood cell damage have been identified as associated with
EME exposure.

The work of Dr Henry Lai, and others in the current scientific literature,
reinforce the remarks of one researcher who ten years ago said that no one
should live near high voltage power lines unless they are certain their
parents and grandparents had impeccable genes ! This remark made in relation
to the 50 Hertz powerline frequency exposure, equally applies to all EME
exposure.

Certainly, there will be people with strong genetic backgrounds who will be
unaffected by EME exposure. Conversely, these people may well become the
future minority group in regard to EME injury.

References:

(#5) Lai.,H.; Singh, N P. Acute low-intensity microwave exposure increases
DNA single-strand breaks in rat brain cells. Bioelectromagnetics 16:207-210,
1995. ]

(#6) Swicord, M.L. and Davis, C.C. (1982) Microwave absorption of DNA
between 8 and 12 GHz. Biopolymers, 21: 2453-2460.

EME is implicated in many debilitating and or serious health conditions ,
which are often immune system related. e.g.

allergies
repeated 'flu like episodes
auto-immune diseases
cancer

CANCER CONNECTION

The potential to adversely impact on the immune system function, highlights
EME as a notable health hazard. This environmental factor, while linked with
the cause of cancer may also inhibit the healing process of those recovering
from cancer by impacting adversely on the immune system. This would also
apply to the healing process of any disease. EME exposure is known to alter
the action of some drugs, inhibiting the action of some, yet potentiating
the effect of others.

Patients with breast and prostate cancer, leukemia and non-Hodgkin's
lymphoma, brain tumour, with hindsight and when prompted, also report to
have been chronically exposed to EME from identical locations as those
reportedly associated with EME intolerance.

Heart attacks, high blood pressure, multiple allergies are also reported by
people with chronic EME exposure

The recent review of the Dr. Bruce Hocking study where childhood leukemia
survival rates were dependant on the distance the patients lived from TV
transmission towers, must be heeded. (See ref # 4)

The cause of cancer in its' many forms may well be multi-factorial and
includes EME which is beyond doubt involved in the proliferation of cancer
cells, if not the actual cause. Radiofrequency radiation (RFR) is known to
increase the rate of tumour growth.(i) Bowel cancer cells grow at a faster
rate when exposed to EME. (ii) The exact mechanism governing how this occurs
does not matter - the fact that it does occur - matters a great deal.

References:

(i) Mobile Phones and Their Transmitter Base Stations (Section 1.10) D
Maisch , Emfacts Consultancy Phone 03 62 4301 95

(ii) Phillips, J.L., (1986) et al, Transferrin Binding to two human colon
carcinoma cell lines: characterization and effects of 60Hz Fields. Cancer
research,46.239-44.

Increasing numbers of people are reporting adverse health effects which have
occurred only after commencing the use of mobile phones. Headaches and
memory loss reports are common effects clearly traced by users to the
exposure of EME produced by the phones.

At present, most of the research into biological effects is centered around
those occurring at the head and brain. The range of research should now
broaden in order to look at the whole body effects, in view of the fact that
people have reported symptoms occurring elsewhere other than on the head,
which they can clearly associate with mobile phone use. Pain and discomfort
are experienced by some people when in the same room or motor vehicle as a
mobile phone user. This can occur whether the phone is either in standby
mode or during actual transmission. The effect is akin to the well
established passive smoking syndrome.

Scientific research that is now centered around the head only assumes that
biological effects manifest from the heating effect only of EME exposure -
that the specific absorption rate (SAR) is the only parameter that matters.
Dr Michael Repacholi, when questioned on this point, said that the
absorption of radiofrequency radiation (RFR) energy could not penetrate
deeply enough into the body to affect internal organs. His comment is also
based on the assumption that the only parameter of any consequence in regard
to RFR is the heating or thermal effects. The following anecdote would
appear to contradict the established method of determining biological
effects of RFR exposure and their subsequent effect on health:

Recently a man reported having treatment for heart pains. Medical
investigation failed to reveal the cause. The pains ceased when he
transferred the mobile phone from his shirt pocket to a belt at the waist.
He soon developed pain in the kidney area, again, no medical cause found.
This condition ceased also after removing the mobile phone from the belt. .

Such reports are barely a glimpse of the impact EME exposure is already
having on the community - the increase of national health costs and
reduction in production in the workforce.

Chronic stressors are known to contribute to serious ill-health in humans.
Exposure to biologically disturbing levels of EMF, of any frequency ,
constitute a chronic stressor, with the potential for the development of
human disease.

Scientific evidence now clearly demonstrates the imperative need for
constructive and urgent action to reduce and control RFR/EME exposure to the
community.

Reference: http://www.feb.se/EMF-I/EMF
January 18th 2000 " The European Commission indicates there is clear
evidence to warrant concern about the installation of mobile phone base
stations in urban centres "

6. ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE NOT TO BE DISMISSED

The emergence of anecdotal evidence of adverse EME/RFR effects reflecting
scientific studies showing an adverse biological outcome, should be taken
seriously.

Valuable anecdotal evidence, derived from the experiences of real people, in
the real world, should be heeded and not summarily dismissed by
investigating committees, as is usually the case. Anecdotal evidence is the
very basis of scientific study.

At the present time in Sydney , anecdotal evidence is being gathered for a
brain cancer/ mobile phone use study. Apparently it's value acknowledged
when officially solicited, though not when voluntarily offered. In one
Sydney street where both high and low voltage power lines are located, five
prostate cancer as well as three other cancer cases have occurred. EME
survey results were offered to the Cancer Council on advice from a senior
officer of an electricity power authority. To the astonishment of all, the
Cancer Council declined to investigate, the reason given, that studies of
this kind did not reveal useful results.

7. SCIENTIFIC UNCERTAINTY NO LONGER SO UNCERTAIN

Britain appears to have now taken the lead in understanding the nature,
scope and implications of the probable health threat posed by the presence
of RF/MW electromagnetic radiation in the environment.

Included here, from the final report of Sir William Stewart's Independent
Expert Group on Mobile Phones ( IEGMP) scientific group are the Main
Conclusions on the Possible Effects of Mobile Phone Technology on Human
Health.

** 1.18 There is now scientific evidence, however, which suggests that there
may be biological effects occurring at exposures below these guidelines
(paragraphs 5.1765.194, 6.38). This does not necessarily mean that these
effects lead to disease or injury, but it is potentially important
information and we consider the implications below.

1.19 There are additional factors that need to be taken into account in
assessing any possible health effects. Populations as a whole are not
genetically homogeneous and people can vary in their susceptibility to
environmental hazards. There are well-established examples in the literature
of the genetic predisposition of some groups, which could influence
sensitivity to disease. There could also be a dependence on age. **

(Part of para 1.19.)

** We conclude therefore that it is not possible at present to say that
exposure to RF radiation, even at levels below national guidelines, is
totally without potential adverse health effects, and that the gaps in
knowledge are sufficient to justify a precautionary approach (Chapter 5,
paragraphs 6.356.42). **

** 1.20 In the light of the above considerations we recommend that a
precautionary approach to the use of mobile phone technologies be adopted
until much more detailed and scientifically robust information on any health
effects becomes available (Chapter 5, paragraphs 6.356.42).

1.21 We note that a precautionary approach, in itself, is not without cost
(paragraph 6.16) but we consider it to be an essential approach at this
early stage in our understanding of mobile phone technology and its
potential to impact on biological systems and on human health.**

NOTE ; "precautionary approach"

** 1.24 We recommend that national and local government, industry and the
consumer should all become actively involved in addressing concerns about
possible health effects of mobile phones (paragraph 6.40).

1.25 Our recommendations focus on five areas:

advice to Government,
advice to industry,
research requirements,
the need for better public information and consumer choice,
the role of NRPB. **
In all five categories, the group suggests specific changes to the way this
problem is/has been treated in the U.K. in the past It is noteworthy that
the inclusion of the public and local government input is recommended as a
part of the solution.

( U.K. Express Newspapers 3/5/00.) Scientists are now advising parents to
discourage children from using mobile phones.)

IT HAS ALL BEEN SAID

Thousands of publications are now available on the biological effects of
electromagnetic field exposure associated by 50-60 Hz powerline and
radio/microwave frequencies. Many more millions of words have been written
on the actual and potential threat to human health from such exposure.
Scientific evidence now clearly demonstrates the imperative need for
constructive and urgent action to reduce/control RFR/EME at levels that have
long term biological implications.

The basis for community concerns has been stated clearly and succinctly. The
papers and studies cited in this submission are but a sample of relevant
papers now available.

These papers, authored by:

Professor P Ockerman Attachment #1

Dr Neil Cherry, Attachment #2

Dr Reginald Hyland Attachment . #3

Mr Don Maisch, Attachment . #4

8. AUSTRALIAN PRUDENT AVOIDANCE GUIDELINES

On a positive note, a paper titled 'Prudent Avoidance Guidelines for Power
Frequency Magnetic Fields' was published in the journal, Radiation
Protection in Australia (1999). It provides guidelines for mitigating
exposure from 50 Hertz power sites in accordance with a policy of prudent
avoidance.

This paper has yet to be seriously adopted within in a code of practice by
industry, builders, architects, electricians and others who have connection
with planning, construction and installation of electrical equipment and
cabling. The Guidelines should be adopted Australia wide without delay. (See
attachment #5)

Of immense significance are the contents of a document titled 'Biological
Effects of Extremely Low-Frequency Electric and Magnetic Fields" This
document, which advocates a 2mG exposure limit, was prematurely released in
1995 and was said to be officially released in Feb 2000. It is yet to appear
in the public domain. This document should be referred to and noted in the
Inquiry. (See reference #9 )

9. ICNIRP GUIDELINES on 50-60 HERTZ ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELD RADIATION
( International Commission of non-Ionizing Radiation Protection)

The ICNIRP Guidelines, are clearly unacceptable as a basis for health
standards.

The Guidelines do not recognise the non-heating biological effects or long
term low level EMF/RFR exposure to humans. (See attachments #2Cherry,#3
Hyland, #4Maisch )

If the current, inadequate ICNIRP guidelines are recommended by the present
Inquiry, as a basis for a health standard for RFR/MW energy exposure, are we
then to expect the same ICNIRP guidelines to be used also as a basis for a
50-60 Hertz powerline frequencies, health standard ? If so, the same public
dissatisfaction occur.

We emphasize here that to overlook the considerations outlined in this
submission would be a grave oversight by the Senate committee. Any
recommendations resulting from this Inquiry would then have, by omission,
the potential to impact adversely on the Australian community, for
generations to come.

Taking the foregoing, and the attachments into account, we therefore
respectfully submit :

The ICNIRP recommendations are inadequate as a basis for an EMF/RFR health
standard as presently proposed by ARPANSA.

Recommendations for strategies to reduce human exposure to RFR need to be
made as a matter of urgency.
Any committee charged with setting standards /levels of exposure to RFR/EME
should be independent of commercial vested interests This includes the
Commonwealth Government, which benefits from revenue raised by licensing
fees from RF/EME apparatus.
The COMMUNITY should be recognised as the largest stakeholder in the EME/RFR
issue and should be solidly represented on all committees relevant to
environmental health The committee should include:

Industry representation,
Occupational Health and Safety Officers familiar with and or trained in
electromagnetic radiation sanitation
Community representatives familiar with the EMR/EME health issue.
Funding for further research should be allocated with greater largesse to
the scientists in this country who clearly have the ability to deliver
meaningful work on the EME/RFR health factor.
It makes little economic sense for a government to accrue revenue from
licensing a technology that has the potential to overload the health
services of the community, which in turn requires a vast amount of
government funding.


We urge the Senate Inquiry Committee to exercise duty of care - by heeding
all the relevant data presented to this Inquiry, from all sources, to better
serve the interest of the community.

Yours sincerely

Betty Venables, Co-ordinator EMR SAFETY NETWORK-INTERNATIONAL

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REFERENCES AND ATTACHMENTS

Attachments #1.Professor Per. Ockerman

Attachment #2. Dr Neil Cherry Reports (Excerpts only from Cherry report-
full Report, citing 262 references, is available on the internet at:
emfguru.com

Attachment #3 Dr R Hyland

Attachment #4 Don Maisch

Attachment #5 K. Nuttall, P.J. Flanagan, G. Melik

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PRUDENT AVOIDANCE GUIDELINES FOR POWER FREQUENCY MAGNETIC FIELDS. (1999)
Presented at the 32nd Annual Conference of the Australasian Radiation
Protection Society Inc., 11-15 October 1999 and published in that Society's
Journal, RADIATION PROTECTION IN AUSTRALIA, December 1999, Volume 16, No3.
( A similar paper was also presented at the World Health Organisation's
(WHO) conference on EMF, in Geneva in November 1998. ) (WHO website;
http://www.who.int/peh-emf/publications/pdfs/ottawa.pdf ) Hard copy is
available from Energy Australia Phone 61+ 2 9269 7344

Reference # 7 Barnett, S.B., 1994, CSIRO report on the status of research on
biological effects and safety of electromagnetic radiation:
telecommunication frequencies. Ultrasonics Laboratory, Radiophysics
Division, CSIRO, pp 174, June 1994.

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PUBLIC HEARINGS:

Following the deliberation of 142 written submissions received by the
Australian Government Senate Inquiry into Electromagnetic Emissions &
Exposure Standard, Public Hearings were held in the cities of Canberra,
Melbourne and Sydney. The authors of 30 submissions were invited to make
presentations at these hearings. A supplementary submission was tabled at
this meeting, by The EMR SAFETY NETWORK-INTERNATIONAL, at the Sydney Hearing
on 12th November 2000.

Excerpts of the address given at the Sydney hearing , by Mr Richard Watkins,
for Betty Venables,(Co-ordinator ) who was unable to attend.

Madam Chair and Committee Members,

I commend the efforts of this Inquiry and thank the committee for the
opportunity to contribute. Attention to the issues surrounding EMR has been
long overdue at government level.

I tender this submission as a private citizen with a background of health
problems associated with EMR exposure. I also represent those people who
have sought my guidance on how to identify and deal with their EMR problems.
Anecdotal evidence of these cases has been documented and similar evidence
has been recorded by others in USA and Sweden.

MY BACKGROUND

My knowledge of EMR may not have been derived as a result of a career
background , in related industries. However, since early 1989, extensive
study of reliable literature and the assistance of people in the medical and
technical fields has provided me with a firm understanding of the subject.

In 1988 I consulted a medical specialist regarding multiple allergies. It
was suggested and later confirmed, that electric and magnetic fields (EMR)
exposure could also be involved., that some allergies may well have been EMR
initiated or exacerbated. EMR is believed to interfere with the regulatory
process of the human system, e.g., heart rate and brain function.

Investigation of my environment with a Gaussmeter which measures the
magnetic field and also an electric field detector, revealed the magnetic
field levels which I had been exposed to were well within the range of those
officially accepted as safe. However, painful, personal experience revealed
that these 'safe' levels were triggering migraine, headaches, insomnia,
generalised arthritic type pain, memory loss, carbohydrate caving, giddiness
and depression. Medical tests revealed no pathology in my case.

Avoidance and reduction of EMR resulted in recovery from these debilitating
conditions. The absence of their recurrence resulted in both immediate and
long term, improved health. These remarkable results prompted further study
of ;

the abundant literature on the biological effects of EMR
the lack of official attention to low level, non-heating EMR biological
effects, which would reasonably be expected to impact adversely on human
health.
the range of adverse reactions experienced by many people, during or after
exposure to low level EMR.
PUBLIC AWARENESS

I have been active since 1989 in creating public awareness of the potential
impact of EMR exposure on health.

I have successfully sought assistance from power authorities to assess EMR
levels in homes, where health was a concern. Though it is not official
policy of the particular power authority, some officers refer people to me,
regarding EMR matters.

I would like to table my self published book Electromagnetic Radiation and
Your Health ISBN 0 646 29952 as a supplementary submission. Copies of this
are held in the State Parliamentary Library and National Libraries.

TREATMENT OF EMR INDUCED SYMPTOMS

There is advice currently available to General Practitioners on EMR,
.contained in a publication titled Information to GPs - Electromagnetic
Radiation a 'Cancer Control Bulletin' This bulletin states that readers
should see things in proportion namely that concern about EMR should be seen
as a distraction in comparison to the known cancer causing agents such as
smoking etc.

We may well ponder the length of time it took for cigarette smoking to be
recognised as a cancer causing agent. And yet this publication is almost
dismissive of the EMR factor in relation to health.

The authors of the paper cite two scientific studies and The Australian
Radiation Protection & Nuclear Safety Agency (ARPANSA) and the other from
the World Health Organisation. (WHO) as further sources of information. If
that material gives the impression that EMR is merely a distraction,
clearly, the source is seriously inadequate.

The responsibility of ARPANSA and WHO is immense, it is essential they be
kept up to date with this issue, in the public interest.

EMR NOT CONSIDERED

Many people are experiencing disturbing clinical symptoms that, upon medical
investigation no supportive pathology is found. Treated symptomatically for
headaches, migraine attacks, insomnia, unexplained tiredness, chronic
non-specific pain, skin rashes, depression and irritability, people can be
on medication for long periods of time with the attendant risk of
undesirable side effects from drug treatment, even becoming allergic to the
drugs.

The possibility of EMR exposure being involved in these cases is unlikely
to be considered given the degree of knowledge of the EMR health factor, by
the general practitioner.

SELF HELP

It has been found that, after simple EMR avoidance measures were taken, in
many cases, symptoms abated, occurred infrequently, or not at all, reducing
or eliminating the need for treatment. AT NO TIME IS IT SUGGESTED THAT
MEDICAL TREATMENT IS TO BE DISCONTINUED WITHOUT CONSULTATION WITH YOUR
HEALTH PROFESSIONAL.

RELEASE OF SAFETY RECOMMENDATIONS

Emf's as a Human Carcinogen

In 1998 a working Group under the RAPID program classed EMF's as a 2B
possible carcinogen. Now it appears almost certain in 2001 both the
International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) the California Dept of
Health Services will each independently classify EMF as a possible
carcinogen.

COST TO THE COMMUNITY

National Health care costs are of great concern., that of cancer treatments
alone, is enormous. Medical resources are heavily involved in a whole range
of health conditions for which no pathology can be found. Depression,
chronic fatigue, chronic headaches are conditions often considered to be
psychosomatic.

Industrial accidents and stress are rife in the workplace - yet the
environmental EMR factor is completely overlooked as a possible cause .

Toxic chemical pollution and EMR exposure are involved as initiators and
promoters of cancer. Birth defects, miscarriages have all been linked with
EMR exposure.

The EMR health issue, properly addressed, at medical, government, corporate,
occupational health and safety levels and by the householder, could create
considerable financial savings at government and personal level - not to
mention less pain and suffering in the community.

To do so, the EMR health factor must first be openly acknowledged. Current
scientific studies revealing biological effects of EMR confirm reported
injurious effects on health - as many of us are painfully aware.

Adequate education programs and EMR reduction strategies need to be devised
and made readily available to the public

RADIOFREQUENCY RADIATION EFFCTS.

MOBILE PHONES There have been recently reported studies of mobile phone
radiation linked with heart and kidney disease. In the UK heart disease
claims 150,000 lives per year. In Australia 59,000 heart disease deaths
occur .

The following anecdotal experiences are noted.

# 1 An electrical contractor recently experienced pains in the heart region
for which no pathological cause was found. He recalled an earlier warning to
avoid the habit of carrying a mobile phone in a shirt pocket. He moved the
phone to a belt at his waist and the heart pains ceased.. A short time later
he suffered pains in kidney region. No pathological cause was found. The
phone was removed from this location also and the kidney region pain ceased.
He has had no further problems.

# 2 A woman experienced mild to severe discomfort up to a few feet away
from a mobile phone in standby mode. . When the phone rings, upper back
tension, neck pain, breathing difficulty and anxiety occur. The following
day muscular stiffness is worse than usual . Her rheumatoid arthritis pain
is often triggered by RFR exposure.

Two large Sydney hospitals, the Royal North Shore Hospital and the St George
Hospital have policies which advise restricted use of mobile phones by staff
members.

SLEEP PATTERNS ALTERED BY RFR

A study conducted at the sleep laboratory of the University of Zurich has
found that exposing volunteers to digital mobile phone radiation (GSM) for
30 minutes while awake, resulted in significantly altered EEG activity after
they fell asleep. This demonstrates a delay period between exposure and the
onset of known radiation effects.

Impaired quality of sleep is known to impact adversely on health.

Worth noting is the case of the changes in habit of a large number of caged
exotic birds located about 150 metres from an analogue cellphone antenna. No
problems were encountered until the mobile phone antenna was upgraded to the
digital system. The following breeding season, most birds refused to breed.
Those that did, destroyed most of their eggs, those that hatched were
prematurely ejected from the nest.

Two only survived. The birds moulted continuously and were uncommonly
aggressive. Veterinary investigation could not find evidence of disease in
the birds. The owner of this has moved elsewhere.

At distance of 200 metres from the same base station, the behaviour of
racing pigeons changed dramatically, they became disoriented, unable to
determine which way to fly. It would appear that the birds could no longer
tolerate the change in the EMR environment.

In another Sydney suburb, on a high rise building, a change in habits of a
'resident' flock of crows was observed after a digital mobile base station
was installed on the roof. The birds became noisy and restless for a number
of days before unexpectedly vacating the area.

Residents in nearby high rise buildings also complained of debilitating
changes in health.

These incidents indicate that the stressful environment created by
radiofrequency radiation from mobile phone base stations will adversely
affect birdlife and humans alike.

There are also reports of cancer development within a three year period of
base station installations in residential areas.

The North Shore Times on October 10th reports that breast cancer has a high
incidence level in women living on the Sydney's North Shore. Dr Bruce
Hocking found high incidence of leukemia in children and how their survival
rate was linked with distance from a TV transmission tower. Three major TV
transmission towers share this same location. Radiofrequency radiation from
these sources could add to the cumulative levels of EMR to residents of that
area. Further careful study may well reveal a connection.

ADEQUATE WARNING SIGNS

All radio and microwave transmitters should be indicated with clearly
visible signs. The general public have the right to know the extent to which
they are exposed to RFR. There are now displayed warning signs for mobile
phones to be switched off to prevent interference to computerised equipment.
One should wish, indeed demand, that the human system be given the same
consideration.

BRAIN TUMOURS

One of the submissions to this very Inquiry is from a young man who has
needed surgery

for removal of a mass which developed on the right hand side of the skull.
He feels that this is closely connected with his right hand usage of a
mobile phone over a 6 year period.

There appears to be an alarming number of brain tumour cases among young
people. Their mobile phone habits and other EMR exposures should be
investigated.

50 HERTZ EXPOSURE EFFECTS

ANECDOTES:

# 1 A couple had poor sleep patterns resulting in "head noises" and
diminished level of concentration. High levels of EMR were found on a
recently installed water pipe, located near to an electric cable. Advise to
move the bed was taken and after four nights the symptoms vanished.
Relocating the water pipe solved the problem.

Due to the nature of the wiring installation in building complexes EMR
exposure reduction is limited and would be beyond the control of the
majority of people living in villas or unit apartments. This is a major
problem and needs to be addressed by an appropriate building code amendment.

Careful study of both the wealth of scientific material available and the
anecdotal evidence of EMR effects, clearly indicates an association between
EMR of a number of frequencies and many health abnormalities .

Leading epidemiologists have recently found that children exposed to
magnetic field levels of 4 milliGauss and upwards, have twice the chance of
developing childhood leukemia.

It is now virtually impossible to deny the connection between EMR exposure
and human health. Certainly, biological effects seen in the laboratory can
reasonably be seen to be involved in health abnormalities.

ELECTRO-HYPERSENSITIVITY

Electro-hypersensitivity (EHS) occurring in both children and adults must
also be acknowledged and respected..

These people are not merely a few 'electrophobic' individuals seeking
attention and special protection - they are visible examples of the injury
that any individual may ultimately sustain due to EMR exposure, occurring at
levels well below the now accepted standards based on the ICNIRP guidelines.

At present EHS is believed to be affecting only a minority group.- in my
view this is a gross underestimation of the real situation

EHS people may not always present a physically visible condition. The unique
physiology and genetic make-up of the individual will determine the degree
of adaption to the EMR environment, before injury occurs and to which system
of the body.

Many symptoms are of a neurological nature, subjective, hidden from view to
the world, yet causing untold pain to the victim - all too easily these
people experience a form of discrimination and misdiagnosis, being told that
their condition is "all in the mind", adding to the considerable stress of
that individual.

Personal experience and careful observation indicate that EMR exposure has
adversely impacted on some people and that when action has been taken of a
significant measure to avoid exposure, partial or full recovery has taken
place. .

HEALTH EFFECTS AT BELOW ACCEPTED STANDARD LEVELS OF EMR

We have on record unsolicited anecdotal evidence provided by over 100
individuals who have experienced acute or permanent injury to health, This
has occurred as a result of EMR exposure. This has occurred at levels well
under the officially accepted standards of exposure, which are based on the
now inadequate ICNIRP recommendations. Organisations worldwide are
collecting similar data. In our view these cases could represent but the tip
of the iceberg.

STANDARDS

The existing standards of 5,000 milliGauss magnetic field for occupational
exposure and 1,000 milliGauss magnetic field for public exposure cannot be
accepted in the interest of public health. We need to actively work toward
the absolute minimum of less than 2mG exposure as recommended by the expert
committee We should not wait for this document to be officially released.
This country should take the lead in this vital community health issue.

Betty Venables,(Co-ordinator )12th November, 2000

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THE SENATE INQUIRY FINAL REPORT

The majority of the Senate committee members were not in agreement with
Chairperson Senator Lynn Allison's final report on the above Inquiry. In
fact the Deputy Chairman said the Inquiry was a "waste of money ". Five
Labour members of the committee did not believe there was a significant risk
based on the evidence presented. This led them to issue a 'minority report'
recommending only that there be further research and that the proposed
ARPANSA standards were acceptable.

In contrast, Chairwoman Senator Lynn Allison's report, recommends a number
of responsible actions be taken to serve the public interest. The full
report is available on the Web at: www.aph.gov.au/senate.environment

A POINT TO PONDER

Environmental Toxicity - the Human Cost
VIETNAM VETERANS - Help for Vietnam Veterans' Children

A new programme has been established to help Vietnam Veterans' families with
the medical costs of children with spinabifida manifesta ,cleft lip/palate,
adrenal gland cancer and acute myeloid leukemia.

The Minister for Veterans' Affairs Bruce Scott and the Minister for Health
Michael Wooldridge, announced the Vietnam Veterans' Childrens' Support
Programme in November last year. The VVCSP was established after the Vietnam
veterans health study indicated a higher prevalence of some conditions among
the children of Vietnam veterans than in the general community. Under the
programme Vietnam veterans children who have spinabifida, cleft lip/palate
adrenal gland cancer and acute myeloid leukemia will receive assistance with
their treatment costs and provision of medical aids and appliances.
Sufferers of adrenal gland cancer and acute myeloid leukemia are also
eligible for assistance with travel accommodation and expenses for medical
treatment. The benefits are available to children who suffer from the above
conditions, who are birth children of Vietnam veterans, who were conceived
after their parents' Vietnam service. The programme is administered by the
Department of Health and Aged Care.
Further information on Website, www.health.gov.au/hfs/haf/vvcsp/index.htm
Co-ordinator: Phone 1800 550 504
Reference: Vetaffairs Vol 17, March 2001, ISSN 0819-8934

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In ten years we may know ?
From an interview in the New Scientist magazine 20th January 2001, Africa's
spokesman on biotech issues at the United Nations, Rewolde Berhan Egziabher,
gave an insightful answer to a question - one that should be seriously
considered by purveyors of electronic products and governments alike.

Q.. "You argue that we shouldn't use GM (genetically modified ) products
until scientists are sure they are safe - possibly for another 10 years.
This logic has never applied to other technologies, such as mobile phones .
Why is GM different?

A.. Just because we have been committing mistakes in the past doesn't mean
that we have to continue to make them. We need to learn from previous
mistakes. DDT wasn't immediately seen to be poisonous to humans but it turns
out to have a very insidious impact. If mobile phones are useful for only
ten years they might as well be scrapped. But if they continue to be useful,
a delay of ten years to make sure that they're safe wouldn't be such a major
hurdle for humanity".

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Laboratory versus Real Life EMR Exposures

From the 1997 EMF Research Review. " Several papers relating to the
estimates of induced currents in human organs were presented. These
suggested that fields and currents induced in the body were underestimated
when organ models were considered in isolation, rather than in situ."

This statement highlights the fact that laboratory results of such
experiments are but indicators of, and do not accurately reflect, the 'real
world' EME exposure effects on human beings.

We also quote from the Victorian Radiation Advisory Committee's September
1995 Annual report ; " It cannot be too strongly emphasised that
epidemiology has met it's limits in regard to the present generation of (EMF
health effects) studies and that future work must be based on more
meaningful and accurate exposure assessment in individuals."

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See here: Bobbi 'Mop Jockey' Wolfe quotes me in his screen name, invokes my name in his screen name, and conveniently obsesses without end over his detractors. Cujo and I are breeding him for KotM!

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You are still an idiot.

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*

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>With apologies to Einstuerzende Neubauten:


>http://www.neubauten.org/tabula/interimsliebenden_e.php
>I have modified Die Interimsliebenden to apply to Alexa Cameron.
>Enjoy, you nutty bitch!

<snip ramblings of a very sick MPD mind>

Get help you immeasurable lunatic.

You need it, your Bechtel Ubermasters along with World Bank are killing the
entire planet for money.


Robert Buchanan

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> On 05 May 2004 21:36:38 GMT, Robert Buchanan
> <rbuc...@neubauten.forge> wrote:
>
>>With apologies to Einstuerzende Neubauten:
>>http://www.neubauten.org/tabula/interimsliebenden_e.php
>>I have modified Die Interimsliebenden to apply to Alexa Cameron.
>>Enjoy, you nutty bitch!
>
> <snip ramblings of a very sick MPD mind>
>
> Get help you immeasurable lunatic.

PKB to the hilt!

> You need it, your Bechtel Ubermasters along with World Bank are
> killing the entire planet for money.

Tell me more about this!

*

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{...]

>Tell me more about this!

There's no way you could possibly understand, you dumb fuck.

Robert Buchanan

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> On 05 May 2004 22:18:33 GMT, Robert Buchanan <rbuc...@neubauten.forge>
> wrote:
>
> {...]

Restored:

> > > You need it, your Bechtel Ubermasters along with World Bank are
> > > killing the entire planet for money.
> >

>>Tell me more about this!
>
> There's no way you could possibly understand, you dumb fuck.

No, tell me all about it! I'm sure it's really quite fascinating.

*

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>No, tell me all about it! I'm sure it's really quite fascinating.

What's even fascinating is you eminent death due to EMR.

Duane C. Johnson

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Hay *;

Get this strait.
Since nearly all the solar power coming from the
sun is in the form of ElectroMagnetic Radiation, EMR,
we would not exist without it. EMR is a good thing!

Duane

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Why all the worry? Let the folks at TACHYON ENERGY PRODUCTS get you the
protection you need:

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http://www.tachyon-energy-products.com/externals/emf_protection.htm

There are many other great products out there to defeat EMF. Perhaps you
should
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On Wed, 05 May 2004 17:25:20 -0500, "Duane C. Johnson" <red...@redrok.com>
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>Hay *;
>
>Get this strait.
>Since nearly all the solar power coming from the
>sun is in the form of ElectroMagnetic Radiation, EMR,
>we would not exist without it. EMR is a good thing!

Can't read can you?

The sun does generate electro magnetic fields around human beings.
>
>Duane

Robert Buchanan

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> On 05 May 2004 22:23:46 GMT, Robert Buchanan <rbuc...@neubauten.forge>

That's the Alexa I know and am embarassed to be of the same species with!

*

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On Wed, 5 May 2004 15:35:41 -0700, "Bill Carson" <bcarso...@yahoo.com>
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Not when the NSA/NASA is bombarding the entire earth with electrical fields
with their remote sensing equipment.
>

*

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>
>> On 05 May 2004 22:23:46 GMT, Robert Buchanan <rbuc...@neubauten.forge>
>> wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>No, tell me all about it! I'm sure it's really quite fascinating.
>>
>> What's even fascinating is you eminent death due to EMR.
>
>That's the Alexa I know and am embarassed to be of the same species with!

Who's embarrassed? You're a laugh riot while in the process of killing
yourself.

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On Wed, 5 May 2004 15:35:41 -0700, "Bill Carson" <bcarso...@yahoo.com>
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>Why all the worry?

Worry? Aside from the devastating effects of electromagnetic radiation (aka
electrical fields) on the physical and mental health of human beings and
their eminent cause of human extinction, there is also the main reason WHY
the NSA/NASA is bombarding the earth with electromagnetic fields:

http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/health_risks/high_tech_crime.html

High-Tech Crimes
and
Electromagnetic Madness

by Arlene Tyner


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Introduction

This article was completed in July 2001, months before the catastrophic
attack of September 11, 2001 in New York City and Washington. It contains
research that eerily suggests the possibility that the World Trade
Center/Pentagon hijackers could have been hypnotically programmed to murder
thousands of innocent people while taking their own lives. So says
psychiatrist Colin Ross, author of BLUEBIRD: Deliberate Creation of Multiple
Personality by Psychiatrists. In a 9/13/01 essay Ross writes, "Psychiatric
mind control could be used to create a terrorist like those who hijacked the
airplanes on September 11." ( http://www.rossinst.com/terrorism.htm ). This
view is buttressed by a 1952 declassified document from the CIA's Bluebird
program. Among a series of questions its psychiatric contractors would be
researching is the following: "Could we seize a subject and in the space of
an hour or two by post-H control have him crash an airplane, wreck a train,
etc.?" ("Post-H" stands for post-hypnotic)

Mohamed Atta, alleged to be the ringleader of the hijackers, is described by
a British woman as being in a perpetual "trance-like state," wearing an icy,
hypnotic expression. "I will never forget his face. It was always set almost
in a grimace like he was in a trance," said Anne Greaves, who knew him for
six months at the Huffman Aviation Flight School in Florida. "I said 'hi'
and he just looked straight through me as if I didn't exist." Greaves
reported that Atta showed no emotion and walked toward the aircraft with the
"air of somebody doing something they don't really want to do." (Birmingham
Evening Mail, 9/24/01) Mohammed al-Amir, Atta's Egyptian father, adamantly
refused to believe the gentle son he knew could commit such a horrific
crime, adding, "My son hates bin Laden." Charging that his son was framed,
al-Amir Atta insisted that a close examination of Atta's picture printed in
newspapers showed that his son's face had been superimposed on another man's
head. (Deutsch Presse-Agentur, 9/24/01; Philadelphia Inquirer, 9/23/01)

This article completes a four-part series on Mind Control begun in 2000. The
first three parts were published in Probe magazine in the March/April,
May/June and July/August 2000 issues. Part 1: Canadian and U.S. Survivors
Seek Justice can be accessed online at
http://www.webcom.com/ctka/pr300-mkultra.html . Parts 2 and 3 are in print
form only, but can be purchased from the Probe website:
http://www.webcom.com/ctka/backisss.html

Arlene Tyner

October 2001


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"I know the capacity that there is to make tyranny total in America and we
must see to it that this agency [the National Security Agency] and all
agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under
proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the
abyss from which there is no return."

Senator Frank Church, 1975 (1)

At 56, Admiral Jeremy "Mike" Boorda had everything to live for. As Chief of
Naval Operations (CNO), he was at the pinnacle of his career. Supported by a
loving family and widely respected as "an officer of legendary devotion to
the Navy," why would the admiral suddenly and violently take his own life?

On May 16, 1996, Boorda was found shot through the heart on a bench outside
his official residence in the Washington Navy Yard. The police
instantaneously diagnosed "suicide." But Boorda's recent advocacy of suicide
prevention cast an eerie shadow on the official story.

" Can the sailor commit suicide and not have the leader know that he or she
was in distress?" the admiral had asked in a speech at the Annapolis Naval
Academy the previous month. Answering his own query, he continued, "No. We
can't ignore things we must work on and if we hide them, we do everybody a
disservice." (2)
By all indicators, Boorda was not depressed. His wife and several admirals
vouched for his high spirits only hours before his body was found. To
intimates, it made no sense that he would destroy himself without warning.
Furthermore, as one woman on an Internet listserve so astutely observed,
"People who commit suicide by shooting do not do it in the chest." (3)

Mike Boorda was an unlikely suicide candidate for another, more personal
reason. He and his wife Bettie were the main support for their first-born
son David, who is legally blind and severely handicapped by congenital
malformations. The Boordas raised him to adulthood in their own home while
rearing three other healthy children, two of whom are Navy officers. Known
to be very attached to David, the admiral had planned early retirement to
spend more time with his family. (4)Would a responsible and loving father
suddenly opt to leave his wife to care for their disabled son alone?

Midway into research for this series, a number of alleged mind control (MC)
experimentees began sharing their suspicions that Admiral Boorda had been
assassinated to prevent his speaking out against nonconsensual human
experimentation in military weapons research. Blanche Chavoustie referred me
to a sinister CIA document from the 1950s that entertains ways of
"disposing" of experimental MK-Ultra subjects and people "who cannot be
trusted" to safeguard military secrets. Chemical lobotomy, drugs, and
"ultrasonics or some other radiating energy" were the methods suggested as
possible alternatives to an "ice pick" lobotomy or permanently locking the
person away someplace. (5) "Now, with new improved techniques," Chavoustie
says, "victims such as Admiral Boorda have been known to self-destruct on
their lunch hour." (See Part 2 of this series, May/June 2000 Probe for
Chavoustie's story.)

Two additional people told me Boorda could easily have been done in by one
of the surefire assassination methods the Navy has finessed after 50 years
of covert research and field testing. This little-known secret slipped out
on July 6, 1975 with an article in the London Sunday Times, "How the U.S.
Navy Brain-Trains Political Assassins." The Times quoted a speech by Navy
Lt. Commander Thomas Narut to a group of 120 psychologists at a NATO
conference in Oslo, Norway. Narut worked at the U.S. Regional Medical Center
in Naples, Italy. He reported the Navy had been programming "hit men and
assassins" who would kill on command; some subjects were drawn from the
ranks of convicted murders serving time in military prisons.

The "damage control" boys soon moved in. Narut was flown to London and
forevermore silenced. The Navy issued a statement in his name saying his
remarks were merely "theoretical." Newspapers were told the lieutenant
commander was having "personal problems." Narut's loose lips reached the
U.S. only through the Chicago Sun Times (July 7, 1975). (6)

Corroboration for the existence of an operational MC assassination program
can be found in a declassified Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) document
prepared by the U.S. Army in January 1972 (Author: J. LaMothe); Part III is
titled "Mental Suggestion and Controlled Behavior." Section B elucidates how
hypnosis can be used to create a multi-personality "super spy" assassin,
based on the writings of psychologist and Army consultant George Estabrooks.
(Part 2 of this series, May/June 2000 Probe documents the U.S. military's
creation of Manchurian Candidates going back to World War II.)

A 5/26/95 article in The Herald (Glasgow), "Brainwash killers 'still in
use'," contains information about a psychotronic influence system developed
in the 1970s in the former Soviet Union that creates programmable "human
weapons" through the use of hypnosis and high-frequency radio waves. The
article warns that this system "has found its way on to the free market,
where mobsters and private security firms are using it."

"Self-Initiated Execution"?

From the earliest days of the MK-Ultra program in the 1950s, the CIA has
systematically searched for execution methods that could be disguised as
suicide. All indications are that the macabre Doctor Deaths of the
military/intelligence world have succeeded, using untraceable
electro-magnetic (EM) technology to commit the "perfect crime."

In 1995 Perceptions, an independent magazine dedicated to environmental,
political and health issues, published a strange and scary story titled "The
Secret War Against Medford, Oregon." Author Mark Metcalf revealed a
14-year-old conversation with Dr. David Fraser, former head of the
Department of Toxicology at the University of North Carolina. Now deceased,
Fraser had assembled a scientific team that traveled to Oregon to
investigate an alarming cluster of suicides in the City of Medford (Jackson
County) in the early 1970s.

With a 1970 population of only 28,454, the city saw the number of suicides
between 1970 and 1975 rise from 2 to 10; in Jackson County the number shot
up from 13 to 24. Suicide rates are calculated per 100,000 population and
averaged in 5-year compilations. Although the number of suicides in and
around Medford do not meet the usual criteria for reliable rate
calculations, turning them into rates allows comparisons. In 1975 Medford's
rate of 17 per 100,000 was higher than for Oregon (15.4) and for the USA as
a whole (12.4). (7)

According to Metcalf, the scientists soon found that Medford was being
bombarded with ultra low frequency (ULF) electromagnetic waves originating
from a nearby military base. The commander of the military base told the
investigators that he knew about the radiation but claimed it was caused by
the Russians. However, the ULF bombardment mysteriously ceased the very next
day after this confrontation. After they returned to the east but before the
researchers could write up their report, Metcalf wrote, "Several men
displaying CIA credentials arrived on campus and said that the ULF waves
beamed into Medford were a 'national security' matter. They explicitly
threatened to kill each of the researchers, including Dr. Fraser himself,
should anyone speak further about it. As far as I know, no one did." (8)

On April 8, 1994, popular rock star/writer Kurt Cobain (of Nirvana fame) was
found dead in his own home. He appeared to have been the victim of a shotgun
blast to the head three days before. A deadly dose of heroin (three times
over) was found in his blood. His so-called suicide note did not indicate he
was going to take his own life. Many fans believe the evidence does not
prove suicide and that Cobain was more likely murdered. (9) But why?

The answer may lie in a technical document purporting to reveal secrets of
National Security Agency (NSA) "psyops" (psychological operations) and
systematic MC. Posted on several Web sites in 1999, it was provided by an
engineer who claims he had worked as a consultant to the NSA and feared for
his own safety as a whistleblower (hence the author's anonymity).

MC literature on the World Wide Web constitutes the cutting edge of serious
research into radio frequency (RF) or directed-energy weapons (DEW). At the
same time, one can easily find writings laden with wild, unproven charges
and undocumented speculation. It is a daunting task to pluck the gems out of
the confusion and purposeful disinformation, which are plentiful. (10) After
two years of wading through bizarre personal testimonies, and filling up
three file-drawers with scientific research, hundreds of periodical
articles, patents, interviews, correspondence, and muckraking pieces that
support the existence of powerful MC technologies, (11) I find this
particular document compelling and worthy of serious study.

Among several examples of "NSA self-initiated execution (suicide)," it
claims Cobain was a casualty of brainwashing who was "terminated" for
"writing clues" about his victimization into his songs. "Once the NSA puts
on the highest level of brainwashing pain, the subject expires quickly,"
this document alleges. "Cobain used heroin to numb and otherwise slow the
effect of the brainwashing." (12)

Rauni Kilde, MD, former Chief Medical Officer of Finland, lectures and
writes about an NSA MC system using radio implants and microchips connected
to satellites that is remarkably similar to what is described in the "NSA
psyops" document. "With electro-magnetic frequency (EMF) brain stimulation
fully coded," she writes, "pulsating electromagnetic signals can be sent to
the brain, causing the desired voice and visual effects to be experienced by
the target. This is a form of electronic warfare." Kilde warns that
"connecting our brain functions via microchips (or even without them,
according to the latest technology) to computers via satellites...poses the
gravest threat to humanity." (13)

The Boorda Mystery

The Boorda mystery deepens when a whole range of facts gleaned from
worldwide press coverage of his shocking death is integrated with the
experiences of alleged MC experimentees. One woman told me that in March
1996 the Air Force and the Navy had finally opened investigations into her
claim that she and about 500 other people were being tortured by remotely
controlled, neuro-electromagnetic (NEM) or RF weapons. Bizarre stories
alleging surveillance, electronic harassment and remotely controlled torture
of people throughout the world are posted on many Web sites. (14) The amply
referenced research of Cheryl Welsh, 1997 founder of Citizens Against Human
Rights Abuse (CAHRA), supports many of these claims, especially
"Nonconsensual Brainwave and Personality Studies by the U.S. Government,"
"The 1950s Secret Discovery of the Code of the Brain,"and the Russian Book
Translation Project. (15)

In an article published last year in Matrix 3000, Band 4, a German
publication, Welsh writes, "Heart attacks, suicides, assassinations,
blackmail, all can be done remotely leaving no trace of evidence to tie it
to the perpetrators."

Blanche Chavoustie is one of a number of allegedly targeted individuals who
had contact with Admiral Boorda's office shortly before he died. She points
out that burial of the Navy MC investigation followed quickly upon the
admiral's own interment; however the Air Force probe may still be open. (16)

The nagging suspicion that Boorda did not willfully self-destruct is
bolstered by his renowned toughness regarding media attacks on the Navy and
himself. Appointed by President Clinton in 1994 to overcome the long-running
legacy of the 1991 Tailhook sex scandal, Boorda soon made enemies within the
military. The "old guard" considered him a "political admiral" appointed to
dismantle the notoriously racist and sexist Navy culture. They were angered
at decisions that halted the career advancement of high-level male personnel
and supported the promotion of Navy women and ethnic minorities. (17)

But Boorda very publicly asserted he would not fall into the trap of feeling
sorry for himself. He was popular among rank and file sailors. Eulogized as
a "sailor's sailor," he was the only enlisted seaman to rise to CNO in the
nearly 200 years of Navy history. This made him an outsider, resented by the
blue-blood admiralty. As the Guardian of London aptly put it, "Admiral
Boorda was short (5 ft. 4 in.), Jewish, clever, gregarious, astute and knew
his own mind. He was hardly the Platonic role-model for the man to command
the most WASP-ish and hereditary of the U.S. armed services." (18)

The admiral's body was found just after 2 p.m., about one-half hour before
he was to meet with two Newsweek reporters at Navy headquarters. In the
official story, Boorda abruptly went home for lunch after being informed by
Rear Admiral Kendell Pease to expect accusations that he lacked
authorization to wear two Vietnam-era, bronze "V" pins (decorations that
signify valor in battle).

Pease later told the press that Boorda had not appeared unduly upset at the
prospect of such questions and responded matter-of-factly, "We'll just tell
him the truth." Boorda had already removed the tiny pins from his uniform
the year before when questions were first raised about them. After lying
dormant for a year, the medals issue was suddenly pushed into public view as
the most plausible motivation for Boorda turning a pistol on himself. One of
the two typed notes found beside Boorda's home computer was addressed "to my
sailors" and said, "I couldn't bear to bring dishonor to you." (19)

An inch-thick report by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service was
inconclusive as to Boorda's motive for suicide. It cited several unnamed
people who insisted the admiral was not distraught in discussing the medals
query. Significantly, the autopsy report was never made public. A
blacked-out version was secured by the NYT under the Freedom of Information
Act (FOIA), lending credence to suspicions of a coverup. (20) If the autopsy
unambiguously substantiates a self-inflicted gunshot to Boorda's chest using
the .38 handgun given him by his son-in-law (as reported by the media), then
why keep it secret?

Boorda & "Cognitive Warfare"

The Guardian reported on May 18, 1996, there was "another cruel twist to
Admiral Boorda's death" regarding a newspaper. It revealed that Boorda had
finally agreed to give "his first full interview" for a series called
"Bosnia: The Secret War." (21) Few Americans know of the admiral's role as
advisor to President Clinton during the controversial U.S. intervention in
Bosnia. From 1991 to 1994, Boorda was Commander-in-Chief of U.S. Naval
Forces in Europe and Commander-in-Chief of Allied Forces in southern Europe,
based in Naples, Italy. Despite "his position," Boorda had agreed to speak
to the London newspaper on unspecified "highly controversial themes."

" The last years of Boorda's career were marked by his insistence that the
US take a robust line and intervene militarily in the carnage of
Bosnia-Herzegovina," the Guardian said. "This opinion became the admiral's
anthem, and both isolated and vindicated him within a Pentagon which was
stubbornly resistant to intervention." (22) Could military opposition to
Boorda's Guardian interview have played a role in his untimely and
inexplicable death?

In October 1996 the respectable, Paris-based Intelligence Newsletter alluded
to "lurid reports" that Boorda "was murdered because he was about to reveal
sinister undertakings by the Navy in mind control and brain warfare." It
disclosed that the admiral "was deeply involved in a study on the
possibilities of cognitive warfare, a form of mind control that uses
acoustical, optical and electromagnetic fields or a combination of the three
to interfere with the biological processes of an enemy." (23) This
information provides a compelling reason to see the medals controversy as a
bogus motivation for suicide. Corroboration for the existence of "cognitive
warfare" can be found in New World Vistas, a 16-volume, 1996 Air Force
publication. The section on "biological process control" says that it is
possible "to create high fidelity speech in the human body, raising the
possibility of covert suggestion and psychological direction...[making it]
possible to "talk" to selected adversaries in a fashion that would be most
disturbing to them." (24)

The Intelligence Newsletter reported that Boorda headed a secret body called
the Strategic Studies Group investigating technologies for producing speech
and "covert suggestions" in the "enemy's head." It said further, "The same
techniques, say the experts, could be used to prevent voluntary muscular
movements, control emotions and actions, produce sleep and interfere with
short-term and long-term memory."

Could it be mere coincidence that these same biological and psychological
effects had been reported by CAHRA members to Navy and AF investigators in
the months preceding Boorda's sudden demise? Many alleged experimentees also
say they hear artificial voices inside their heads or receive thoughts that
are not their own! Did Admiral Boorda find out about nonconsensual human
experimentation conducted by the Navy, raise ethical objections or even
order them to cease, thereby rendering himself too dangerous to live?

Questionable "suicide" of Aussie Attache

If Boorda was "taken out" by means of MC technology that induces "suicide"
by remote control, he may be the highest ranking official in recent years to
have met this fate. But by no means is he the only such suspected case of
murder most foul.

On June 13, 1999, in the Washington suburb of Arlington, Virginia, Mervyn
Jenkins, the North American attache for the Australian Defence Intelligence
Organization (DIO) was found hanged in the backyard of his home a week
before the Jenkins family planned to return to Australia. Jenkins, an expert
in covert action and electronic warfare, had been posted in Washington for a
three-year assignment. He had been stressed by bureaucratic infighting
between two Australian intelligence agencies over which documents could be
shared with the CIA and the DIA. But would this happily married father of
three sons take his own life on his 48th birthday? His diary showed detailed
plans for his life in Australia 10 weeks into the future.

On April 16, 2001, the Australian Broadcasting Corporation's (ABC) popular
investigative news show "Four Corners" probed Jenkins' mysterious "suicide,"
which had produced a storm of criticism in Australia, leading to a
government investigation. Not satisfied with the results (the Blunn Report),
Jenkins' wife filed a lawsuit against the government. Both his wife and
mother appeared on the ABC broadcast, a transcript of which is posted
online. (25)

Betty Daly-King believes Jenkins was murdered to prevent him returning home
with knowledge that the Pentagon didn't want him to bring back to Australia.
Daly-King is a Western Australia peace and human rights activist who claims
she has been tortured with DEW in retaliation for 40 years of working for
alternative means of resolving conflicts that lead to war. Focused on
ensuring peace in the Indian Ocean region, she is responsible for peace
studies professorships in two Perth universities. Daly-King cites several
other cases of DEW being used to silence scientists, activists and writers,
just in Western Australia alone.

According to the official story laid out by "Four Corners," Jenkins was
caught in the crossfire between U.S. and Australian intelligence agencies
over the issue of intelligence sharing. Daly-King believes that the conflict
centered on the Indonesion repression of East Timorese who had voted for
independence, with the U.S. backing the Indonesians and the Australians
leaning toward the East Timorese independence fighters. Influential
Australian organizations such as the Returned Servicemen's League have
historically sympathized with the East Timorese because so many had risked
their lives to save Australians during World War II, she explains, and
people-to-people relationships have been maintained ever since. (26)

" The USA would do anything to appease Indonesia to keep access through
their straits to get to and from Saudi's oil," she wrote to me. "They were
not amused at Australia being in the forefront of restoring East Timor
against perceived Indonesia and USA interests! All that lovely East Timor
offshore oil, too."

A map of the Washington area posted on the ABC Web site is chilling in its
implications. With large red dots, it visually depicts the Jenkins home in
Arlington surrounded on three sides by the Pentagon, the CIA, the DIA
headquartered at the Bolling Air Force Base, and the British, Canadian and
Australian embassies. (27)

Mysterious Deaths in the British Defense Industry

An epidemic of unexplained deaths in England's defense industry occurred
from 1982 to 1988 (totally blacked out of the "free" U.S. press).
Twenty-five British computer programmers and engineers working on electronic
warfare programs died in a rash of suspicious suicides, disappearances, and
bizarre accidents. They were the subject of British journalist Tony Collin's
1990 book Open Verdict: An Account of 25 Mysterious Deaths in the Defence
Industry. Five of these scientists were talented computer programmers who
worked for Marconi Underwater Systems (a major contractor for the Reagan
Administration's "Star Wars" Strategic Defense Initiative or SDI), or one of
its subsidiaries. Many worked for the government or military installations
directly. Britain's nuclear arsenal is submarine-based. Most of the dead
programmers were working on top-secret simulator programs used in underwater
submarine deception warfare. "In the majority of cases, there were no
eyewitnesses and the periods before their deaths could not be explained,"
Collins writes (28)

Investigations began when two young men were found in Bristol, more than 100
miles from their homes, where they had no apparent connections. In 1986
Vimal Dajibhai, 24, was found under a bridge with an unexplained puncture
mark on his thigh and his pants down around the ankles. A few months later
Arshad Sharif, 26, alleged hanged himself by tying one end of a rope around
his his neck, the other end lashed to a tree, and accelerating his car until
his neck snapped. Family members interviewed by Collins said the two men
were actively planning their futures and had no motive for suicide. Shortly
thereafter, PhD student Avtar Singh Gita, 26, who was working on submarine
warfare under a grant from the defense industry, disappeared from
Loughborough University. Singh Gita's thesis was titled "Underwater Signal
Processing." He was found in Paris months later, but could not recall why or
how he got there. (29)

Several gifted scientists and programmers employed in other branches of the
defense industry died under suspicious circumstances in 1987. Peter Peapell,
46, a simulator expert in stealth and EW, was found underneath his car with
the engine running. David Sands, 37, allegedly drove at high velocity into a
brick wall, after filling his car with cans of gasoline. Richard Pugh, 37,
was found dead in his home with a plastic bag over his head and his feet
tied. Royal Air Force computer specialist Mark Wisner, 25, was also found
suffocated by a plastic bag. Dr. John Brittan, 52, was found dead in his
garage with the car running; he had been a computer expert at the Royal
Armaments Research and Develpment Establishment. In 1988 the body of Russell
Smith, 23, who worked for the United Kingdom Atomic Energy Authority in
Harwell, was found on a cliff. Family members of these deceased individuals
indicated no motive for suicide. (30)

Tony Collins concludes that "psychological engineering" of suicidal behavior
is a possible explanation for these unexplained deaths. His conclusion is
based on the experience of Australian engineer and investigative journalist
Joe Vialls who says he survived such macabre manipulations in 1983. Vialls
had become unwittingly involved in a Cold War espionage operation while
working on a sensitive oil drilling operation in India. He reports he
suffered both microwave radiation and post-hypnotic suggestions implanted
electronically by unknown controllers, whom he suspects were working for the
CIA. Doctors who treated Vialls at the London-based Medical Foundation for
the Care of Torture Victims verified that he was susceptible to clandestine
hypnosis and post-hypnotic suggestions. Vialls, whose story can be found in
Collins' final chapter, has published a book and many articles on suspected
Manchurian Candidate-type assassinations as well as exposes of the U.S.
military's Omega above- and underground communication system, which he
believes has the capacity for mind control operations worldwide. (31)

Europeans Reject Invisible Weapons

Warnings on the perils of electronic MC can be found in the European press.
Scientists, intellectuals and government officials there have been banging
the warning drums for several years about dangerous U.S. surveillance and
NEM technologies. (32) A 1997 editorial in the British Medical Journal
alerted the healing profession to "guard against its knowledge being used
for weapon development." Written by surgeon Robin M. Coupland, the editorial
warned that the new category of "non-lethal" (NL) weapons, including
"devices generating infrasound or electromagnetic waves, and devices for
riot control," was not covered by existing international treaties banning
chemical and biological weapons. (33)

In 1998 a neuroscientist at the Institut Pasteur in Paris cautioned that
"advances in cerebral imaging" were "capable of being used at a distance"
and would "open the way for abuses such as invasion of personal liberty,
control of behavior and brainwashing." Another researcher at the French
Atomic Energy Commission said imaging techniques have reached the stage
where "we can almost read people's thoughts." (34) In 1998 the Scientific
and Technological Options Assessment (STOA) panel of the European Parliament
"shocked European leaders" with its voluminous report subtitled "Appraisal
of Technologies of Political Control." The CIA's mind control (MK-Ultra)
program is fully referenced therein. (35)

On January 28, 1999, while Congress and the U.S. media were diddling with
the impeachment of President Clinton, the European Parliament passed a
resolution calling "for an international convention introducing a global ban
on all developments and deployments of weapons which might enable any form
of manipulation of human beings." (36) And a 1999 UN-sponsored conference on
human consciousness passed an ethics resolution urging neuroscientists to
ensure their discoveries are used to serve "human welfare, never warfare."
What is known as the Tokyo Declaration declares, "Today, we have the
intellectual, physical and financial resources to master the power of the
brain itself, and to develop devices to touch the mind and even control or
erase consciousness." (37)

Secret MC technologies have already been used by U.S. armed forces in Third
World interventions without any public discussion. According to Judy Wall,
editor of Resonance(newsletter of the Mensa Bioelectromagnetics Special
Interest Group), the EC-130E Commando Solo aircraft, built by Lockheed at a
cost of $100 million each, conducts psychological operations through
broadcasts "in the standard AM, FM, HF, TV and military communications
bands." Wall discovered that Commando Solo is equipped with Silent Sound
Spread Spectrum, a MC technology that can "entrain the listener's brainwaves
into a preselected emotional state." (38) Commando Solo aircraft were used
as far back as the 1983 U.S. military intervention in Grenada, and later in
Panama, Haiti, Bosnia-Herzegovina, and Iraq. (39)

The British ITV News Bureau reported that this technology was used in
Operation Desert Storm in 1991 to demoralize Iraqi soldiers and instill "a
perpetual feeling of fear and hopelessness." (40) In "Military Use of Mind
Control Weapons," Wall exposes how human brainwave patterns known as
"emotion signature clusters" can be stored on a computer, then piggybacked
to Silent Sound carrier frequencies to "silently trigger the occurrence of
the same basic emotion in another human being." Voice commands can also be
used in subliminal messages attached to music. (41)

The U.S. military's secret strategy for post-cold-war conflicts "short of
war" is called "The Revolution in Military Affairs," a deceptively
futuristic scenario based on an arsenal of grotesque psychotechnologies
unknown to the American taxpayers who fund their development. Among the new
military-speak one finds "strategic personality simulation," exactly the
sort of neofascist MC that could explain the bizarre harassment stories of
many hapless civilians. (42) Readers still skeptical about the existence of
MC technologies are urged to check out "The Mind has No Firewall," an
article published in the Army journal Parameters (Spring 1998). (43)
Evidence of plans to incorporate mind control in future wars is as
unambiguous as it is repulsive.

Constructing Thoughtforms to Order?

Former Navy engineer Eleanor White traces her victimization as an alleged
involuntary NEM experimentee to the spring of 1980 when she asked the Bureau
of Naval Personnel to update her service record. The harassment began later
that year -- on the street, at work, and in six successive apartments, she
claims. "I just thought I was the unluckiest human being on the planet,
entirely unique and alone," she says, until 1996 when she found Ed Light's
Mind Control Forum on the Internet. (44) "The near-perfect congruence of my
effects with what others were experiencing was like entering a whole new
life." This sameness of "effects" is reported by hundreds of people
throughout the world. Many are well-educated and hold down responsible jobs;
others are physically and psychological disabled by torturous
hospitalizations and years of abuse. The sheer volume of their highly
literate communications convinces me that every allegation of
psychological-warfare experimentation cannot be conveniently pigeon-holed as
the paranoia of a disturbed person.

Eldon Byrd has been similarly persuaded. A medical engineer, Byrd is retired
from the Naval Surface Weapons Center, Office of Non-Lethal Weapons. A
member of the U.S. Psychotronics Association (USPA), he has published papers
on the telemetry of brain waves (measuring them wirelessly from a distance),
(45) and the psycho-activity of extremely low frequency (ELF)
electromagnetic and scalar fields. After corresponding with White and other
alleged experimentees for several years, he concluded they were neither
hallucinating nor allergic to ELF waves. "You have convinced me that this is
something going on that should be investigated," Byrd wrote White. He
affirmed that "images can be projected directly into a human brain from a
distance using the 'scalar' component of a weak magnetic field." But he
questioned who would be so evil as to inflict this technology on
unsuspecting people? (46)

Lt. Col. Thomas E. Bearden, also a member of USPA, is a PhD scientist,
nuclear engineer, and proponent of "the new physics," which may be crucial
to understanding the MC technologies developed by the U.S.
military-industrial complex. Bearden publishes SPECULA, a magazine devoted
to psychotronics and bio-energetics. (47) His books include The Excalibur
Statement, Analysis of Scalar Electromagnetics, and Gravitobiology: A New
Biophysics (Tesla Book Company). In a February 1991 interview conducted by
Michael Hutchison, editor of Megabrain Report, Bearden revealed that "scalar
electromagnetic phenomena" make it possible to construct "thoughtforms to
order, and input them directly into the mind and longterm memory." This can
be done through "a hidden channel to pipe in inputs" and it can be done
"surrepticiously, from a distance and without the knowledge and consent of
the individual affected," he said further. Bearden calls this "the ultimate
mind control." (48)

On July 23, 2000, Byrd delivered a paper to the 26th annual conference of
the USPA in Columbus, Ohio, titled "Recent Advances in Scalar Technologies."
He told the audience that many people claiming they are victims of remote MC
devices appeared to be highly functional, and that there must be something
to their claims. He pointed to thousands of documented cases during the Cold
War of the U.S. government experimenting on citizens without their knowledge
or consent.

He then cited a July 2, 1997 statement by Major General Sydney Schacknow of
the Army's Special Forces (Ft. Bragg, North Carolina) that our military was
"working on synthetic telepathy (the ability to read people's intentions at
a distance using a magnetic laser -- a maser operating at extremely low
frequencies," which can "alter behavior at a distance." In private
conversation, Byrd told one participant that Marines had been shown a device
that projects images into the brain from a distance, and that a
Superconductor Quantum Interference Detector or SQUID machine (a
sophisticated EEG device) can detect the mysterious rays many people suspect
are causing them pain. (49) Byrd's paper at the 2001 USPA meeting in
Columbus, Ohio, July 20-23, is titled "Mind Control: Paranoid Delusions or
Frightening Reality?"

Synthetic Telepathy

" Synthetic telepathy is a term used to describe the beaming of words,
thoughts, or ideas into a person's mind by mechanical means...some type of
electromagnetic transmitter...operating in the microwave frequency band,"
begins a May, 1995 article by Judy Wall in Resonance. (50) The first known
U.S. experiment in which audible voices were communicated via pulsed
microwaves was carried out in 1973 by Joseph C. Sharp and Mark Grove in
Walter Reed Army Institute of Research in the USA. Their success was based
on biophysicist Allen Frey's post-WWII experiments with "microwave hearing."
(51)

Commenting on Sharp's "pulsed microwave audiogram" in his 1985
ground-breaking book,The Body Electric, Robert O. Becker, MD, points out,
"Such a device has obvious applications in covert operations designed to
drive a target crazy with 'voices' or deliver undetectable instructions to a
programmed assassin." He also noted, "Nearly two-thirds of the $47-billion
1984 federal research budget went for military work, and in the field of
bioelectricity the proportion was even higher." In denouncing "the buying of
science by the military," Becker boldly declared, "To call it a form of
prostitution is an insult to the oldest profession." Becker was twice
nominated for the Nobel Prize in Medicine, but his career suffered because
of his condemnation of the military uses of bioelectric research. (52)

Two years ago the career of SUNY-Albany Professor Kathryn Kelley also
suffered a setback because of her probes into the mysteries of MC. In August
1999 Kelley's provocative research on the surgical implantation of
communications devices to read thoughts was suddenly shut down. She had
delivered a paper to a professional conference in Orlando, Florida, in which
she described acoustic implants in human beings called RAATS (short for
radio wave, auditory, assaultive, transmitting implants). Kelley wrote,
"When (short-wave) operators transmit to or scan RAAT implants in victims,
they can talk to the victims remotely and anonymously, and hear the victim's
speech and thoughts." (53)

"The Bionics of Man"

In 1962 Dr. Leonid L. Vasiliev, an internationally known Russian
physiologist, remarked that "the discovery of the energy underlying ESP
[extrasensory perception] will be equivalent to the discovery of atomic
energy." (54) The word "psychotronics" was actually coined by Czechoslovak
researchers to legitimize parapsychology as a scientific discipline. The
Czech Manifesto adopted at the 1968 Moscow Parapsychological Conference
declared, "Psychotronics is, in essence, the bionics of man." (55)

In the 1950s Soviet researchers invented a medical device called the LIDA
machine, which uses modulated ELF waves to induce a trance-like hypnosis in
human beings. According to a 1993Defense Electronics article, a Richmond,
Virginia company called Psychotechnologies Corporation now holds the LIDA
patent, euphemistically called "psycho-correction technology." (56)

The Soviets were also the first to use EEG machines to catch "the moment
when telepathy lights up in the brain." However, the U.S. came in a close
second. In 1959 secret ESP research on the U.S. atomic sub Nautilus made
headlines in France. Journalists asked the sensational question, "Has the
American military learned the secret of mind power?" (57) The U.S.
officially denied theNautilus experiments. But Carol Rutz remembers being
taken aboard this ship when she was 10 as part of a CIA MK-Ultra psychic
assassination research program. Rutz reports being trained to send psychic
energy to a "certain high-placed individual" to create a deadly aneurysm!
(58) (See Part 3 of this series, July/August 2000 Probe for secret
government experimentation using children.)

To understand the progression of electronic MC technologies from the 50s
through the 90s, readers will benefit from consulting two online timelines
composed by Judy Wall and Cheryl Welsh, respectively; a Fact Sheet with
documentation on Nonconsensual Experimentation prepared by Welsh; and a
bibliography titled "Psychoactivity of Electromagnetic Fields." (59)

"Zero-Evidence Weapons"

" For the first time in history," Eleanor White writes, "one human being,
from hiding, at a distance, can control the thoughts and actions of another,
by way of undetectable hypnosis, using still-classified electronic
technology. These devices have totally disabled the world's justice
systems." A board member of CAHRA, White has compiled the collective
research of its members into a 136-page report, "The State of Unclassified
and Commercial Technology Capable of Some Electronic Mind Control Effects."
(60) She warns that anyone with knowhow and enough money could assemble an
arsenal from ordinary (but expensive) electronic equipment and be totally
immune from prosecution. "Zero-evidence weapons," she says, "make revenge
crimes routine and easy." In the March 2000 issue of The American Reporter,
White calls for debate and controls on all manufactured MC devices. (61)

In the late 1980s, activists in the Greenham Common Women's Peace Camp began
experiencing headaches, nausea, vertigo, depression, disorientation and
short-term memory loss. They were camped outside a U.S. Air Force Base in
Great Britain to protest nuclear weapons and global militarization. Strong
signals of non-ionizing radiation (microwave) up to 100 times the normal
background level were detected there. Women peace activists in Seneca, New
York, experienced similar harassment. (62)

Julianne McKinney, an ex-CIA case officer, believes she has been
intentionally targeted by EM weapons. The painful harassment made her arms
bleed, her gums rot and her teeth crack. In the early 1990s, she conducted
an Electronic Surveillance Project, an offshoot of the Association of
National Security Alumni. Her 22-page booklet, Microwave Harassment and Mind
Control, published in 1992, documents many claims of NEM harassment. (63)

White has coined the term "voice-to-skull" (v2s) to describe an effect
reported by hundreds of people. But White herself does not hear voices. "In
my case and a few others," she says, "v2s is restricted to fake alarm clocks
ringing at 3 a.m, fake phone or pager ringing, and fake bird choruses when
no birds are around." In-home attacks include forced awakening and sleep
deprivation, "hot needles" in the flesh, sexual stimulation, body vibrations
and itching, limbs jerking wildly, and muscles manipulated remotely (vocal
cords forced to produce sound against her will). White says she also suffers
apartment break-ins with items stolen and clothing ripped. At work, she has
experienced mind-blanking attacks and inexplicable computer malfunctions.
Although she acknowledges that "the actual weapons now in use are tightly
classified," she discovered through years of research that "the primitive
weapons leading up to the current crop are mostly unclassified and some are
even commercially available." (64)

White's Web site, http://www.raven1.net/, contains a storehouse of credible
research on government-sponsored MC experiments and technologies. It is a
magnet that draws in people from all over the world searching for answers to
the weird bio-electric phemonena experienced in their own bodies, homes, and
communities. Thanks to White's e-mail exchange depot, I have corresponded
with many highly articulate people from all walks of life, and have
interviewed some by telephone. For example, I have learned of several cases
where people discovered through x-rays or MRIs that family members had been
implanted with biochips during minor surgery, without their knowledge or
consent.
Biochips, now the size of an uncooked grain of rice, are easily implantable
for beneficial uses as well as for surrepticious political control. Applied
Digital Solutions is now testing and marketing its "Digital Angel"
technology, a biochip that makes possible the tracking of people using
Global Positioning Satellites. (65) British Professor Kevin Warwick and his
wife are being implanted with biochips to test whether they can read each
other's thoughts when separated by distance. (66)

DSM-IV: Diagnosis or Coverup?

CAHRA members complain about the knee-jerk reactions of U.S. physicians
(especially psychiatrists) to their suffering. Some have had bouts with
hospitalization where they were subjected to forced drugging and
electroshock. Many fear sharing their torments with family and friends lest
they be labeled "paranoid schizophrenic" because they hear voices, suspect
they are under some kind of surveillance, or suffer debilitating
bio-electric attacks.

Many alleged experimentees felt somewhat vindicated, however, when they read
the opening words of a 1997 NYT Magazine cover story, "For decades, those
who claimed to be victims of clandestine radiation experiments conducted by
the United States Government were dismissed as paranoid." (67) The Clinton
Administration exposes on radiation experimentation using thousands of
unsuspecting North Americans opened the door for alleged MC experimentees to
speak publicly about their claims.

The first three parts of this series have documented how past leaders of the
American Psychiatric Association (APA) were secretly involved in
military/CIA MC research using nonconsensual human subjects, especially
women and children in their care. Is it happenstance or coverup that many
reported symptoms of NEM weapons have been written into the diagnostic
categories published in the APA's Diagnostic Statistical Manual IV (DSM IV)?

One DSM IV criterion of "schizotypal personality disorder" is "belief in
clairvoyance, telepathy, or 'sixth sense.' Under such a sweeping definition,
the entire cabal of military/intelligence psychic experimenters (including
privatized, Pentagon-funded outfits like Psi Tech) could be labeled
"schizophrenic" for indulging in "remote viewing" (ESP) research for
decades! (68) Significantly, a History Channel offering called "Psychic
Espionage," aired in September 2001, never ridiculed or cast "mental
illness" aspersions on any of the male scientists and CIA Stargate
functionaries who were interviewed.

Rauni Kilde believes that "psychiatrists working for U.S. intelligence
agencies no doubt participated in writing and revising" what has become a
worldwide psychiatrists' bible. "Victims of mind control experimentation are
thus routinely diagnosed, knee-jerk fashion, as mentally ill by doctors who
learned the DSM "symptom" list in medical school," she says. (69)

N. Renay Tanner suggests that people who suspect they are targeted by
electronic MC seek legal remedies and medical assistance through human
rights organizations rather than the medical profession. A Columbia
University graduate student focused on psychiatry and human rights, Tanner
is also United Nations liaison for Support Coalition International, a human
rights organization devoted to eliminating abuses by the mental-health
industry. Tanner believes the mental health system functions for the purpose
of social control top-down and that "ideologically driven" psychiatrists who
cannot admit to any evidence of fallibility will not help ameliorate the
stresses and trauma of nonconsensual experimentation.

Security Agency "Cutouts"?

CAHRA leaders bristle at suggestions that their pain may be caused by some
condition other than purposeful manipulation by government-funded operators.
They justifiably point to the MK-Ultra program and the thousands of
documented cases of nonconsensual experimentation. (70) Still, most people
offer no independent corroboration for their claims other than pointing out
symptoms in common with other alleged victims and research proving that
anti-personnel, directed-energy weapons do indeed exist.

One has to be skeptical of unscientific, long-distance evaluations of
individuals based solely on uncorroborated verbal reports, often
communicated via the anonymity of e-mail. After all, many known physical
ailments such as electrical sensitivity and fibromyalgia could produce
similiar symptoms in different people. (71) Some painful effects may also be
due to allergic reactions and EM pollution. Any number of people who
corroborate each other's symptoms could be suffering from what a recent New
York Times magazine article called "culturally specific" mental illness.
(72) With suspicion about unethical government-financed experimentation more
the rule than the exception, and widespread computer networking by people
searching for answers to their problems, the stage is set for an epidemic of
self-diagnosed victims. How does one separate out genuine experimentees from
people whose symptoms may have physical or emotional causes not connected
with MC at all?

Some claims appear have more merit than others. And a few people have named
their perpetrators as connected to private security services, Air Force
personnel, or huge military contractors such as Raytheon (likely involved in
producing some of these weapons). For example, Pat Mougey's tormentors
appear to be recruited by a security agency located on the street where she
lives. She reports some harassers let her know she is under surveillance.
(73) She believes they use commercially available, through-the-wall radar to
tape everything that goes on in the privacy of her own home. (74) Mougey
says she even saw herself through a window on the television screen in the
house next door. I was skeptical about this until I saw NSA high-tech
surveillance gadgetry on display in the Hollywood movie, "Enemy of the
State." A private detective knowledgeable in surveillance devices confirmed
that such gadgetry does exist in the real world and not just in the
imaginations of Hollywood writers.

" They have a device to control every part of the body, including the
throat," says Mougey. "I have been in the ER more than once because my
throat was closed up and I could not breathe." I became convinced there may
be truth in Mougey's claims by reading a 1987 report on the Attorney
General's Conference on Less Than Lethal Weapons. It revealed that
"scientific knowledge of human physiology is progressing to the point where
it may soon be possible to target specific systems with specific frequencies
of electromagnetic radiation...sustained, extremely low frequency (ELF)
radiation [that] can produce nausea or disorientation..." (75)

But so long as human experimentation in weapons development remains subject
to "national security" restrictions, it is impossible to know for sure
whether specific individuals are experimentees in government or privatized
operations. We do know, however, that our government spent millions on
electronic MC research. One hundred thirty boxes (130 cubic feet) of
classified documents on "behavioral experiments" the CIA's Office of
Research and Development (ORD) were located in 1978. They were found after
John Marks (author of The Search for the 'Manchurian Candidate') requested
ORD files "on behavioral research, including...activities related to
bio-electrics, electric or radio stimulation of the brain, electronic
destruction of memory, stereotaxic surgery, psychosurgery, hypnotism,
parapsychology, radiation, microwaves and ultrasonics." (76)

Rogue Scientific Groups

As I delved more into the scientific end of MC research, I became more
convinced that the U.S. military/industrial complex probably has
remote-control technology that can produce the torture Mougey and others so
vividly describe. A 1999 article by engineer Tom Bearden, "Mind Control and
EM Wave Polarization Transductions," corroborates my feeling:

" ...rogue groups amongst Western clandestine mind control researchers will
probably arise if they have not already done so. They will likely seek to
increase their personal control and further isolate the programs from
orthodox government review and from government and legislative control. They
may even divert the research into highly illegal and unethical means,
because it furthers their own rogue agendas. That is how clandestine U.S.
government research can sometimes go sour, unless great care is exercised by
the oversight committees in the House and the Senate.

Sometimes when rogue groups do gain control and total secrecy of a given new
technological area, then what appears to be "U.S. government operations" do
start to encompass a criminal and unethical operations [sic], hidden usually
beneath the deep veil of high classification. Also, if it's "scientific," no
one is ever brought to justice, even if the "evil science actions" are
uncovered and publicly revealed." (77)

Those who doubt the existence of classified MC technology can draw their own
conclusions from several official responses to requests for information on
NEM weapons research. Margo Cherney received a letter from the Air Force in
1999 in response to her request for material on a 1970s Air Force project
called "Communicating via the Microwave Auditory Effect." In denying her
request to declassify this material, the letter said "unauthorized dislosure
of the requested information could reasonably be expected to cause damage to
national security." (78) Eleanor White received a letter from a member of
the New York Assembly in 1998 that said, "Unfortunately, information
concerning what was referenced in your letter is highly classified, and I am
not at liberty to divulge such information to the general public." (79)

In April 2000, White was able to discover a U.S. Navy contract for
Ultrasonic Acoustic Heterodyning Technology with American Technology
Corporation. According to the company's own publicity, hypersonic sound
technology "can target selected individuals in a group or in a noisy
environment and deliver audio to that person." (80) This technology makes
possible some of the sound effects White and others experience.

For several years CAHRA founder Cheryl Welsh has been trying to organize a
study of 500 alleged experimentees that would include medical and
psychiatric evaluations. Many in the CAHRA network are very fearful of
doctors because they have experienced terrible abuse in the medical system.
Welsh has struggled to convince them to join the study as she diligently
networks with EM victims in other countries and raises money to insure the
scientific viability of what would become a ground breaking study. People
whose symptoms have other causes need to be properly diagnosed and treated.
Pretenders and disinformation purveyors among the hundreds of people
alleging EM targeting need to be exposed -- either by their refusal to
participate in the study or by the objective evaluations of scientific and
medical investigators. (81)

Civilians Become "the Enemy"

Many CAHRA members report that their complaints to local police have not
gotten serious attention. In some cases this could be explained by collusion
between local law enforcement and federal authorities testing NL weapons and
surveillance systems in the community. Crusading Alaskan environmentalist
Nick Begich reports a secret agreement between the Department of Defense and
the Department of Justice to transfer NL weapons to local law enforcement
through the National Institute of Justice. (82)

Like an international Paul Revere, Begich has been circling the globe
clanging alarm bells to stimulate public debate on civilian control of the
military in the post-cold-war era:

" The weaving together of Department of Defense missions with civilian
Department of Justice missions is unprecedented. Not since the civil war has
the military machinery...been turned against United States citizens...This
raises serious questions regarding use of our Department of Defense for
domestic police actions, which may be a violation of constitutional law by
being in conflict with the narrowly-defined federal use of the military 'for
the national defense." (83)

How did civilians become "the enemy" in peacetime? In a 5/12/99 interview on
ABC News, USPA member Lt. Col. John B. Alexander was asked if he saw any
domestic applications for NL weapons. "Absolutely," he answered. "In the
U.S. today, we have a very large disenfranchised population. The potential
for civil disorder is quite high, in my estimation. This is an area in which
non-lethal weapons can play a vital role in restoring order, protecting
lives and property..."

Alexander directed the Non-Lethal Weapons Laboratory at Los Alamos National
Laboratory in the 1980s. He is the same knowledgeable military man who wrote
way back in December 1980 that "there are weapons systems that operate on
the power of the mind and whose lethal capacity has already been
demonstrated....The psychotronic weapon would be silent, difficult to
detect, and would require only a human operator as a power source." (84)

Without any any public review process, a joint policy for NL weapons was
adopted in 1995. Highest priority was given to developing unspecified
technologies "most likely get dual use, i.e., law enforcement and military
applications." (85) A 1994 draft of the government's NL policy authorized
use of nonlethal weapons by our military in support of domestic law
enforcement. It chillingly replaced the Cold War concept of an external
"enemy" (requiring stringent national-security regulations) with the
relatively benign term "adversary," which could apply to anyone, domestic or
foreign. "Adversary is used above in its broadest sense," this document
says, "including those who are not declared enemies but who are engaged in
activities we wish to stop." (86)

The confluence of NL and high-tech electronic weaponry can be gleaned from
what little is available in the media. The July 7, 1997 issue of U.S. News
and World Report reported that the Air Force alone plans to spend more than
$100 million by 2003 to research the "bioeffects" of what it called "exotic"
anti-personnel, NL weapons. The ghastly technologies acknowledged in this
article include blinding lasers (considered, but rejected for use in
Somalia), acoustic or sonic weapons modeled after the Nazi's "vortex"
technology (causing nausea, "pain, spasms or even death"), RF weapons that
induce epileptic seizures, "undetectable" VLF devices that cause flulike
symptoms, nausea and weakness, and "tunable" microwave weapons that can
"cook the enemy." (87)

In March 2001, the Pentagon went public with a portable people zapper
euphemistically called an "Active Denial System." Developed by Ratheon
Corporation and other Pentagon contractors for crowd dispersal, this
so-called NL weapon "could cook a person's eyeballs" if the operator so
desired. (88) To its credit, CBS News interspersed footage of huge
anti-Vietnam War demonstrations involving hundreds of thousands of Americans
in its announcement of this weapon. Comic strip character Pogo's astute and
much quoted observation, "We have seen the enemy and they is us" was never
more applicable.

" It's war, Jim, but not as we know it," in the 8/3/97 issue of The
Scotsman, offers the following intriguing sentence: "Progress on laser and
acoustic technology has been rapid...and a number of weapons are now off the
design board and are being tested in secret."

Taxpayers footing the bill for this research have the right to ask: On whom
are these weapons being tested and are the subjects protected under the
Nuremberg Code, international laws and presidential executive orders? (89)
Eleanor White appropriately points out, "No government agency will admit to
being charged with ethical protection of military and other government
classified human test subjects." Could criminal, free-lance experimentation
be conducted by private enterpreneurs with security clearance and on-the-job
knowledge of how these weapons work?

In 1999 USA Today lifted the veil on a secret administrative court that
grants security clearances to employees of defense contractors. "Felons gain
access to the nation's secrets" was its provocative headline. "Tens of
thousands of military and contractor personnel are cleared each year," it
reported. In its study of 1500 decisions by the Defense Office of Hearings
and Appeals, the newspaper found clearances were routinely bestowed on drug
users, kidnappers, pedophiles, murders, exhibitionists and other convicted
sex offenders, chronic liars, and people with histories of violence and/or
convictions for criminal fraud involving millions of dollars. (90)

Psyops Field Testing on Civilians?

Eleanor White believes the most bizarre harassment she experiences amounts
to psychological warfare. The unknown perpetrators, she says, occupy a
"shadow government" that includes some of the country's biggest defense
contractors and their intelligence operatives. "They are behavior
science-oriented," she explains, "in creating severe stress to test our
limits." She believes the perpetrators could be retired MK-Ultra employees
"who set up shop in private industry away from congressional scrutiny,"
their paid agents from private security outfits, or even criminal groups who
have secured the technology on the military black market. "The original
MK-Ultra military/intelligence experimenters were forced to share with the
corporate world," she says, "and the sharing has now quite a few branches."

In 1992, the first George Bush Administration added a little-known
regulation to its National Industrial Security Program Operating Manual that
reads, "Cover stories may be established for unacknowledged programs in
order to protect the integrity of the program from individuals who do not
have a need to know. Cover stories must be believable and cannot reveal any
information regarding the true nature of the contract. Cover stories for
Special Access Programs must have the approval of the PSO [Program Security
Officer] prior to dissemination." (91) This provision is quite alarming. It
means that unscrupulous "experimenters," hired by private companies with
Pentagon connections, have a green light to "lie by the book." They can
easily cover up the abuse of innocent people without any accountability to
elected civilian authorities.

" There is no punishment for rogue scientific groups," writes Bearden.
"Shockingly, the U.S. government at the highest level has shown...that mass
crimes against U.S. civilians, perpetrated by portions of the U.S.
scientific community in direct conspiracy and in secret, will likely be
condoned. The perpetrators will not be indicted, tried, or convicted."
(Emphasis in the original)

He says further that:

" ...in the "Big Science community, there can be and there are rogue groups.
Lots of them. There is deep cover, deep classification. And there is very
probably advanced mind control research and testing, be it legal or illegal.
Hopefully, most of it is legal and constrained. However, some of it is
almost certain to be illegal and ill constrained." (92)

As news of this series disseminated throughout the MC survivor network,
academics and independent MC researchers phoned or wrote to offer useful
information gleaned from their own research. One such source is a doctoral
student in physics whose interest in neuroscience spans the last decade. I
will call him Smith as he does not want his real name used.
Smith believes that covert field testing of NEM weapons is combined with
classic surveillance techniques perfected during the Cold War. He directed
me to a "spy/counterspy" Web site dissecting FBI methods used to create
fear, passivity and immobilization. (93) They include constant harassment to
build up stress, total discrediting of his/her experiences by driving the
target "crazy," then labeling the target as a "paranoid schizophrenic." The
intended outcome of this treatment is depression, withdrawal and the
target's acquiescence in being controlled. Smith cites the "learned
helplessness model" of Martin Seligman, as the operant conditioning used by
MC experimenters whose identity is protected in "black" programs. (94)

Smith suggests that some alleged experimentees are being used as the
"prototypes" of a new controlled life, victims of a psychological warfare
operation aimed, not at a foreign "enemy," but at our own citizenry.
"Operatives get to train their mind-control and harassment techniques on
live prey," he continued, "without fear of adverse consequences from a
bungled operation."

He points out that some alleged experimentees, particularly women, are the
"ideal candidates" for this kind of operation:

" They live alone, are highly verbal (the more associative one is, the
easier it would no doubt be to drive her crazy), individualistic, don't have
good family relations, and have obedient relatives, often with connections
to the security services. It is easy for federal operatives with top-secret
security clearances to paint these people as lunatics in order to be able to
torture them with America's tax dollars. Indeed, after the cold war ended,
there was a vacuum for surveillance operatives who needed to be doing
something useful in order to justify their vast funding. What could be more
desirable from a federal operative's point of view than to torture in
absolute safety and secrecy a few unfortunate "freaks" with the very latest
in black-budget technology?" (95)

Assassination Mysteries and Mind Control

Remote viewer David Morehouse exposed the existence of the CIA's Stargate
"remote viewing" program in his 1996 book Psychic Warrior. (96) He revealed
that Stargate was a Special Access Program (SAP), which requires the highest
level of security clearance for Sensitive Compartmentalized Information.
(97) NEM technologies would come under the government's NL research
apparatus and are probably categorized as SAPs. Morehouse was persecuted as
a whistleblower, including involuntary hospitalization and severe
psychiatric abuse. The public campaign to discredit him was led by none
other than John Alexander, the "father" of NL weapons. (98)

Interestingly, Morehouse also told attorney William Pepper that a sniper
team of low-level CIA operatives in the U.S. Special Forces was responsible
for the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr. in 1968. (99) Earlier
installments of this series have touched on how mind control might have been
the secret weapon used to commit and cover up the assassinations of
President John F. Kennedy, Robert Kennedy and Dr. King. A most provocative
and easily accessible article that links MC with these crimes (as well as
the assassination of John Lennon and the mass murders in Jonestown, Guyana)
was written by Curt Rowlett. It is titled "Project MKULTRA: Did the U.S.
Government Actually Create Programmed Assassins?" (100)

Was Admiral Boorda -- like the Kennedy brothers and Dr. King -- just the
latest political "adversary" marked for extinction by undemocratic shadow
institutions operating above and beyond the law?

More than 25 years ago, Senator Frank Church foresaw an abyss of no return.
Today Thomas Bearden, a military man who most probably has seen the best and
worst of human beings, warns that unregulated MC technology could be the
undoing of our civilization:

" Human beings are still human beings. All the good and evil is still there,
regardless of the group. The stage settings change, but the cast of
characters and the play never change.

It's sad, but 'twas ever thus. Hidden parts of our own governments -- and
other governments throughout the world -- are no different from the old
medieval groups, where nobles etc. were always plotting against the king, or
using the king's power for their own nefarious end. The rogue groups today
are no different from all the scheming and conniving groups that destroyed
the Roman Empire. Great empires fall from within, not usually from without!"
(101) (emphasis in original)

July 2001

Endnotes

1. NBC, "Meet the Press," 8/17/75 transcript. Quoted in Bamford, J., The
Puzzle Palace, Houghton-Mifflin, 1982, p. 379. In 1975 Church headed the
Senate Intelligence Committee that exposed many unlawful practices of the
intelligence community, including MK-Ultra.

2. "Navy colleagues believe Boorda could have survived scrutiny," CNN,
5/17/96.

3. 5/23/96 posting of Linda Grant De Pauw to "Women and the Military": http:
www.h-net.msu.edu/~minerva/archives/threads/temp/boorda.html . According to
family and friends, Boorda did not exhibit any of the military's suicide
warning signs: http://www.dtic.mil/afosi/news/1999_suicide.html .

4. USA Today, 11/25/96.

5. The CIA Papers: Bluebird, Artichoke, MK-Ultra. Volume 1 (pp. 126-129).
Twenty thousand MK-Ultra documents are available for purchase on three
CD-ROMs from the CIA under the Freedom of Information Act for $30.

6. Scheflin, A. & Opton, Jr., E.M., The Mind Manipulators. (Paddington
Press, 1978), p. 470; Harry V. Martin & David Caul "The CIA and the Mafia
Mind Control" ( http://www.visitations.com/mindcontrol/Hist-Mind.html ; see
also London Times, July 13, 1975.

7. I consulted John L. McIntosh, PhD, chair of the Department of Psychology
at Indiana University South Bend. McIntosh, past president of the American
Association of Suicidology, who retrieved the suicide numbers and rates for
Medford City and Jackson County for 1968 through 1995. Medford ranked 9th
highest in the country in 1995.

8. Metcalf, Mark, "The secret war against Medford, Oregon." Posted at:
http://www.diac.com/~ekwall2/info/t0001.shtm .

9. http://www.globalserve.net/~artnet/musicnet.htm ;
http://www.globalserve.net/~artnet/dmdpt97f.html ;
http://www.ethanrussell.com/_erdw/000006df.htm

10. For information on U.S. intelligence "cover and deception" programs, see
the Federation of American Scientists' Secrecy and Government Bulletin # 34,
http://www.fas.org/. See also Army document on Psychological Operations:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/army/docs/st100-3/c5/5sect9.htm .

11. See list of MC patents: http://www.trufax.org/menu/patents.html , and
several lists of books, articles and links on Electromagnetic Mind Control:
http://mindcontrolforums.com/MCF/booklist.htm and
http://www.raven1.net/nancbk3.htm

12. http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/mindcontrol/Abemarf_part_1.htm

13. Kilde, "Microchip Implants, Mind Control and Cybernetics," SPEKULA (3rd
Quarter, 1999). SPEKULA is published by medical students and doctors in
Northern Finland. Posted at: http://www.raven1.net/kilde2.htm.

14. http://mindcontrolforums.com/MCF/victm-hm.htm;;
http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~welsh/ginter.htm;
http://www.konformist.com/1998/voices.htm; Soviets organize against
Psychotronic Weapons: http://mindcontrolforums.com/MCF/welshsov.htm

15. Nonconsensual Brainwaves:
http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~welsh/brn-stdy.htm; Code of the Brain:
http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~welsh/book.htm ; Electromagnetic Radiation (emr)
Weapons: http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~welsh/emr13.htm; Russian Book
Translation Project: http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~welsh/russian.htm

16. My source provided a copy of the AF letter opening an investigation; she
destroyed a similar letter from the Navy after Boorda's death.

17. Boyer, Peter J., "Admiral Boorda's War," New Yorker, 9/16/96, pp. 68-86;
Kotz, Nick,Washingtonian Magazine, December 1996; USA Today, 11/25/96; Daily
Telegraph (London), 11/26/96; "Bits of metal carry a weighty message."
Philadelphia Inquirer, 5/18/96, p. A1.

18. Rabinowitz, Dorothy, "Playing for the airwaves," Wall Street Journal,
6/10/96, p. A16; "Leader from the front: Obituary: Admiral Jeremy Boorda,"
Guardian, May 18, 1996, p. 32.

19. "Details of top admiral's suicide note disclosed," LA Times, 11/25/96,
p. A10. The second note, addressed to Boorda's wife, has never been
released. According to Joe Trento, bureau chief of the National Security
News Service, one of the notes was "typed and dated" the day before the
admiral's death. He interpreted this as evidence Boorda's suicide may have
been caused by other issues than the meeting with Newsweek reporters.
However, a typed, predated note could also be viewed as a forgery that was
part of a murder coverup. See Washington Post, 6/8/96, p. A13.

20. "Navy Report Omits Suicide Notes," NYT, 11/2/96

21. This 6-part Guardian series, critical of U.S. policy in Bosnia, began
1/17/96 and ended 5/21/96.

22. Guardian, 5/18/96

23. "Getting Inside the Enemy's Head," Intelligence Newsletter No. 296,
10/3/96 (published by Indigo Publications of France,
http://www.indigo-net.com, and indexed in Lexis-Nexis).

24. Excerpt from New World Vistas: Air and Space Power for the 21st Century,
1996, Ancillary Volume, section on "biological process control":
http://mindcontrolforums.com/MCF/usafbiol.htm. See also "U.S. Air Force
looks to the battlefields of the future," Microwave News, Jan./Feb. 1997, p.
14.

25. http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/"Australian Aide Under Probe Dead in
Apparent Suicide", Washington Post, 6/17/99. Transcript of "Caught in the
Crossfire": http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/s276564.htm

26. Background on the U.S./Australia military alliance can be found in two
books by Desmond Ball, A Suitable Piece of Real Estate: American
Intelligence in Australia (Sydney, Hale & Iremonger, 1980) and Richelson,
J.T. & Ball, D., The Ties That Bind: Intelligence Cooperation Between UKUSA
Countries -- the United Kingdom, the United States of America, Canada,
Australia and New Zealand (Allen & Unwin, 1985); details about Indonesia's
intervention in East Timor can be found in William Blum's Killing Hope: U.S.
Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II (Common Courage Press,
1995).

27. Map: http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/mervjenkins/map/map.htm

28. Collins, OpenVerdict (Sphere Books, 1990), p. 244.

29. "Demand government explanation of deaths, disappearance," AP, 3/19/87;
"Defence Scientists Mystery Deepens," Financial Times (London), 4/3/87.

30. "Open verdict on satellite scientist's car crash," Guardian (London),
4/23/87; "Mystery of the dead scientists: Coincidence or conspiracy?," AP,
2/6/88; "Britain baffled by deaths of 10 scientists involved in security,"
AP, 4/10/88; "Computer magazine says scientists' deaths don't add up," AP,
4/13/88; "Scientists' deaths 'not a plot'," Daily Telegraph, 2/13/89.

31. Vialls, Joe, Deadly Deception at Port Arthur, 2000:
http://www.nutech2000.com.au/prod8.htm ; "The Port Arthur Massacre"
(Tasmania): http://www.vialls.homestead.com/ ; "The 'Perfect' CIA
Assassination," New Dawn magazine, 1994 special edition:
http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/Articles/'Perfect'%20CIA%20Assassination.html
(see also " 'U.S. involved' in death of WPC at Libyan Embassy, Guardian
(London), 4/9/96); "Tesla's Electromagnetic Pyramids," 9/98:
http://c3i.homestead.com/omega1.html

32. e.g., "Hidden messages: The use of subliminal texts in music," Financial
Times (London), 3/30/95; "Hong Kong academic sues U.S. government for 'mind
control,'" Agence France Press, 1/25/96; "Ban microwave and acoustic
weapons: Statement by International Committee of the Red Cross," Reuters,
5/30/96; "Communicating with Thought Power" (bionic brain implants), BBC
News, 10/15/98; ""And the Voice said..." (Voice-of-God psyops), New
Scientist, 12/25/99-1/1/00

33. " 'Non-lethal' weapons: Precipitating a new arms race," Brit. Med. J.,
Vol. 315 (7/12/97).

34. Butler, Declan, "Advances in neuroscience 'may threaten human rights,'"
Nature, 391, 1/22/98, p. 316.

35. STOA report "An Appraisal of Technologies of Political Control," is
posted at. http://www.uhuh.com/laws/europar3.htm

36. The "Resolution on the Environment, Security and Foreign Policy," #27:
http://www.europarl.eu.int/plenary/default_en.htm?redirected=1 (search by
date).

37. 1999 Tokyo Declaration: http://www.ndsu.ac.jp/~tokyo99/declartation.htm

38. Wall, Judy, "Military Use of Mind Control Weapons," Nexus magazine
(Australia), October/November,
1998.http://mindcontrolforums.com/MCF/military.htm.

39. Wall, Judy, "Aerial Mind Control: A Threat to Civil Liberties," Nexus
magazine, October/November 1999. http://www.raven1.net/commsolo.htm. See
also http://www.sightings.com/politics5/mindcontrols.htm.

40. "High tech psychological warfare arrives in the Middle East," British
ITV, 3/23/91:http://www.raven1.net/silsound.htm

41. Wall, op. cit., "Military Use of Mind Control Weapons."

42. Metz, Steven & Kievit, James, The Revolution in Military Affairs and
Conflict Short of War, Strategic Studies Insitute, U.S. Army War College,
July 25, 1994. Cited in Babacek, Mojmir, "The Psycho-electronic Threat to
Democracy: The Secret Arms Race,"
http://mindcontrolforums.com/MCF/babdoc.htm.

43. http://call.army.mil/fmso/fmsopubs/issues/firewall.htm. See also Bryce,
Susan, "21st Century Warriers," New Dawn, #59 (March-April 2000)
http://www.newdawnmagazine.com).

44. http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/

45. "Telemetry is coming of age," by Dean C. Jutter, Wen H. Ko, & Thomas M.
Spear, extract from Engineering in Medicine and Biology Magazine, March
1983: http://www.raven1.net/telem1.htm.

46. Eleanor White correspondence, August 2000

47. Bowart, W.H. & Sutton, Richard, "The Invisible Third World War":
http://www.davidicke.net/emagazine/vol21/research/wwar.html

48. http://www.cheniere.org/misc/interview1991.htm

49. Dr. Byrd's comments were privately communicated by a conference
participant who does not want to be named. Contact
http://www.psychotronics.org/ to order proceedings of meetings.

50. "Synthetic Telepathy":
http://www.logicsouth.com/~lcoble/conspire/syn.txt.

51. Brodeur, Paul, The Zapping of America: Microwaves, Their Deadly Risk,
and the Cover-up, Norton, 1977, pp. 295-296; Becker, Robert O. & Selden,
Gary, The Body Electric: Electromagmetism and the Foundation of Life,
Morrow, 1985, pp. 319. See also Possony, Stefan T., "Psy-War: Soviet Device
Experiments," Defense and Foreign Affairs Daily, 6/7/83. Microwave hearing
is documented in Lin, J.C., "The Microwave Auditory Phenomenon," Proceedings
of the IEEE, vol. 68, January 1980, pp. 67-73 and "The future battlefield: a
blast of gigawatts?, IEEE Spectrum, March 1988, pp. 54.

52. Becker, ibid., Chapter 15 and postscript, pp. 319, 333.

53. "Human Brain Implant Research Suspended at Major University," Albany
Times Union, August 25, 1999.

54. Ostrander, Sheila & Schroeder, Lynn, Psychic Discoveries Behind the Iron
Curtain (1st ed.) (Prentice-Hall, 1970), p. 7. The second edition, with six
additional chapters, was published in 1997 by Marlow & Co. See the video
"Soviet KGB Paranormal Files," broadcast on the Fox Family cable channel in
1999, for elaboration of Soviet breakthroughs in MC over 50 years.

55. Ostrander, Ibid., p. 387-388.

56. Defense Electronics: http://www.waco93.com/defenseelectronics.htm
;Virginia Mind Control: http://www.datafilter.com/mc/newsweek_Nonlethal.html

57. Ostrander, op. cit., pp. 6, 21. The LIDA is patented in the U.S.
(#3,773,049). See a partial transcript of a CNN Special Assignment (1985)
video on Russian RF weapons: http://mindcontrolforums.com/MCF/cnn-mc.htm.
U.S. declassified documents on 1995 Russian TV show about mind control
devices: http://www.raven1.net/russ.htm ; Russian Machine That Tranquilizes
People: http://www.raven1.net/lida.htm . CAHRA is sponsoring a translation
of the 1999 Russian book, Psychotronic War and the Security of Russia by
V.N. Lopatin and V.D. Tsygankov: http://www.calweb.com/~welsh/rustrans.htm .

58. Personal correspondence; see Carol Rutz's Web site:
http://www2.dmci.net/users/casey/ . Her book, A Nation Betrayed: Secret Cold
War Experiments Performed on Our Children and Other Innocent People will be
available in 2001. Another recent book by child survivors of the MK-Ultra
program is Secret Weapons: Two Sisters' Terrifying Story by Cheryl and Lynn
Hersha (with Dale Griffis and Ted Schwarz), 2000.

59. Timelines by Wall ( http://www.raven1.net/jwalltil.htm ) and Welsh (
http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~welsh/timeline.htm) Fact Sheet:
http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~welsh/factsht.htm . Bibliography by Robert C.
Beck and Eldon A. Byrd: http://www.vxm.com/bib.doc.htm . See also Jason
Jeffrey, "Electronic Mind Control: Brain Zapping," New Dawn magazine
(Australia), Parts 1 and 2, #59 (April/May 2000) and #60 (May/June 2000):
http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/current.html .

60. March 30, 2000. http://raven1.net./uncom.htm . White's subject44 index
catalogs the latest MC research: http://www.raven1.net/ravsubjx.htm . See
http://www.raven1.net/public1.htm for a diagram depicting how an early
version of the technology might work.

61. "New Devices that 'talk' to minds need debate, controls."
http://www.raven1.net/amrep1.htm.

62. Keeler, Anna, "Remote Mind Control Technology," In Keith, Jim (ed.).
Secret and Suppressed: Banned Ideas and Hidden History, Feral House, 1993.
Posted at http://www.spunk.org/library/altern/pub/keith/sp000435.txt;
Bolman, Betsy, "The 'Zapping' of Greenham and Seneca," Peace and Freedom,
January/February 1989 (monthly publication of Women's International League
for Peace and Freedom available at the Swarthmore College library).

63. McKinney's story can be found in The Whistleblowers, edited by Elizabeth
Russell Manning and Cheryl Welsh, Greensward Press, P.O. Box 640472, San
Francisco, CA 94109 ($30.00). See also
http://www.webcom.com/~pinknoiz/coldwar/microwave.html and McKinney, "The
Classic Mind Control Operation Revealed,"
http://www.profreedom.free4all.co.uk/classic_mind_control.html/ .

64. Results of White's survey of MC effects are posted at
http://www.raven1.net/emresul2.htm. See surveillance devices available for
sale in catalogs of Information Unlimited, http://www.amazing1.com/, "and
Consumertronics Online Catalog, http://www.tsc-global.com/consumer.html .

65. Update: Applied Digital Solutions, 7/31/00:
http://www.digitalangel.net/pr_7_31_00.htm; Cox News Service, 12/27/99:
http://www.stockhelp.net/star/html .

66. Update: "Cyborg professor," Straits Times, 7/27/00,
http://straightstimes.asia1.com.sg/singapore/sin16_0727.html ; "New Tech
Joins Brains, Computers," Discovery News, 5/25/01,
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20010521/flight.htm

67. "Atomic Guinea Pigs," NYT, 8/31/97. p. 38.

68. APA, Diagnostic Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders-IV, Chapter 23,
Table 23-2. Psi Tech: http://www.psitech.net/index.htm . See also,
Paranormal Management Systems, http://www.fastnet.co.uk/pms/info.html. For a
biting critique of the unscientific evolution of this manual, its sexist
nature, and the corrupting influence of huge drug companies on the
psychiatric profession, see Paula J. Caplan, They Say You're Crazy,
Addison-Wesley, 1995.

69. Kilde, op. cit., Endnote #13.

70. "A History of Secret Human Experimentation:
http://www.healthnewsnet.com/humanexperiments.html

71. Electrosensitivity: http://www.powerwatch.org.uk/gen/sensitiv.htm.
Fibromyalgia: http://www.futureone.com/~hunter/fms.htm and
http://www.nih/gov/niams/healthinfo/fibrofs.htm

72. Osborne, Lawrence, "Regional Disturbances," NYT, 5/6/01, p. 98.

73. Mougey's story is posted:
http://mindcontrolforums.com/MCF/mcf1.htm#Mougey .

74. Through-the-wall devices are based on "millimeter wave" technology:
http://www.millivision.com .

75. Sherri Sweetman, March 1987. Quoted in Begich, Nick & Manning, Jeane,
Angels Don't Play This HAARP, Earthpulse Press, 1995, p. 171-172.

76. Marks, John, The Search for the 'Manchurian Candidate,' Times Books,
1979, p. 212.

77. Bearden, Explore (Vol. 9, No. 4), 1999.
http://www.cheniere.org/explore%20articles/mind%20control3/p08.jpg

78. Cherney's Web page: http://www.angelfire.com/or/mctrl/index.html

79. Letter from Joan K. Christensen: http://www.raven1.net/jkchrist.gif

80. U.S. Navy Contract: http://www.raven1.net/aegis.htm

81. Medical study: http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~welsh/study_notice.htm

82. Begich, Nick & Roderick, Jim, Earth Rising The Revolution, Earthpulse
Press, 1999, pp. 117-133; the DoD/DoJ Memorandum of Understanding signed by
Janet Reno and John Deutsch, 4/20/94: http://www.pir.org/foia/mou01.html. .
See also "Urban guerilla warfare and non-lethal weapons,"Intelligence
Newsletter #381, 5/4/00 (in Lexis database).

83. Begich & Manning, op. cit., pp. 175-176.

84. "The New Mental Battlefield: Beam Me Up Spock," Military Review. For
histories of NL weapons development, see Aftergood, Steven, "The 'Soft Kill'
Fallacy," Bulletin of Atomic Scientists, 1994
(http://www.bullatomicsci.org/issues/1994/so94/so94Aftergood.html) and two
articles by British journalist Armen Victorian: "Background on the Aviary,"
Nexus Magazine(Australia), 1995. (http://v-j-enterprises.com/nexusavi.html )
and "Non-Lethality: John B. Alexander, The Pentagon's Penguine," MindNet
Journal, Vol. 1, No. 86 ( http://www.visitations.com/mindnet/MN186.HTM )

85. Begich, & Roderick, op. cit., p. 117.

86. Begich, & Manning, op. cit., pp. 175-176. It is unclear whether this
language is included in the final version.

87. U.S. News & WR: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/ultra21753/usnews.htm . See
also "Soon, 'Phasers on Stun'," Newsweek,
2/7/94:http://www.datafilter.com/mc/newsweekNonlethal.html and Bryce, Susan,
"Totalitarian Technology: The Truth is Closer Than Fiction," New Dawn, #50
(September-October 1998):http://newdawnmagazine.com.au/ . See also
Filterman, Marc, Les Armes de L'Ombre (Black Project Weapons), Editions
Carnot, 1999, which covers secret and unknown weapons developed in the last
two decades by the U.S., Soviets (Russians) and Europeans.

88. Lee, Martin A. "The Pentagon's people zapper," San Francisco Bay
Guardian, 4/2/01. http://www.sfbg.com/reality/22.htm . Add other links.

89. See "Bioeffects of Radiofrequency Radiation" on the Web site of Brooks
Air Force Base:
http://www.brooks.af.mil/AFRL/HED/hedr/reports/bioeffects/87-3con.htm.

90. Pound, Edward T., 12/30/99; also ""How decisions and appeals are
handled," 12/29/99 and "A few who got through," 12/29/99.
http://www.usatoday.com/

91. Horgan, John, "Lying by the Book," Scientific American, October 1992.
Posted at http://j_kidd.tripod.com/b/report68.html. Americans for Democratic
Action is on record calling for public exposure and reclassification of all
SAPs. Its resolution is posted at http://adaction.org/pubs/intact401.html .

92. Bearden, op. cit. Endnote #77

93. http://www.amnix.com/jedmartin/cs001.htm

94. A summary of Seligman's work, with bibliography, can be found
athttp://www.uwinnipeg.ca/campus/uwsa/from.htm .

95. See the narratives of alleged MC
experimentees:http://mindcontrolforums.com/MCF/victm-hm.htm

96. Psychic Warrior, St. Martin's. Also see "Paranormal ESPionage," an
interview with W. Adam Mandelbaum, author of Psychic Battlefield: A History
of the Military-Occult Complex, St. Martin's Press, 2000 in New Dawn
magazine, #62 (September-October 2000): http://newdawnmagazine.com.au/ .

97. A "Sensitive Compartmented Information Nondisclosure Agreement" required
of Defense Department contract employees is posted at
http://jya.com/scinda.htm .

98. See Uri Dowbenko Interview with Morehouse: "The True Adventures of a
Psychic Spy,"Nexus, October/November 1997
(http://www.nexusmagazine.com/psispy2.html )

99. Ibid.

100. Rowlett's article: http://karws.gso.uri.edu/Marsh/MKULTRA/MKULTRA.txt

101. Bearden, op. cit., Endnote #77




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bothered reading what you post!

HTH,

Cheers, Alastair.

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Robert Buchanan

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> On 05 May 2004 22:32:54 GMT, Robert Buchanan
> <rbuc...@neubauten.forge> wrote:
>
>>Let's find out what * has to contribute...
>>
>>> On 05 May 2004 22:23:46 GMT, Robert Buchanan
>>> <rbuc...@neubauten.forge> wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>No, tell me all about it! I'm sure it's really quite fascinating.
>>>
>>> What's even fascinating is you eminent death due to EMR.
>>
>>That's the Alexa I know and am embarassed to be of the same species
>>with!
>
> Who's embarrassed? You're a laugh riot while in the process of
> killing yourself.

*sigh*

And how am I doing that, Alexa?

*

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On Thu, 6 May 2004 00:42:51 +0100, "Alastair McDonald"
<alas...@abmcdonald.leavethisout.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>Sorry! If you can't be bothered to say who you are, I can't be
>bothered reading what you post!

You don't need to read it -- you already know!

I'm wondering though --

How is the NSA gonna control 6+ billion people suffering from severe mental
disorders due to their remote sensing equipment bombarding earth with
electrical fields?

I can hardly wait for the shooting in the streets to start.

Cool.

*

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On 05 May 2004 23:58:00 GMT, Robert Buchanan <rbuc...@neubauten.forge>
wrote:

>Let's find out what * has to contribute...
>
>> On 05 May 2004 22:32:54 GMT, Robert Buchanan
>> <rbuc...@neubauten.forge> wrote:
>>
>>>Let's find out what * has to contribute...
>>>
>>>> On 05 May 2004 22:23:46 GMT, Robert Buchanan
>>>> <rbuc...@neubauten.forge> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>>No, tell me all about it! I'm sure it's really quite fascinating.
>>>>
>>>> What's even fascinating is you eminent death due to EMR.
>>>
>>>That's the Alexa I know and am embarassed to be of the same species
>>>with!
>>
>> Who's embarrassed? You're a laugh riot while in the process of
>> killing yourself.
>
>*sigh*
>
>And how am I doing that, Alexa?

Ther's no one here posting by that name. Perhaps you should just end it all
right now with a gun shot to the chest and end your obsession with 'alexa'.


Alastair McDonald

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No I don't. i don't know what you are talking about.


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*

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On Thu, 6 May 2004 01:25:59 +0100, "Alastair McDonald"
<alas...@abmcdonald.leavethisout.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>No I don't. i don't know what you are talking about.

Well to make it real simple:

The power elite aka Bechtel Nevada/Lockheed and the World Bank have financed
defense projects for mind control purposes with use electromagnetic
radiation. And electromagnetic radiation kills human beings by causing a
whole buncha things, like cancer, mental illness, heart disease, genetic
defects -- not only in humans but all living things on earth.

In a nutshell:

They're killing themselves and expediting extinction.

Duane C. Johnson

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Hi *

* wrote:

> "Duane C. Johnson" <red...@redrok.com> wrote:

> > Hay *;

> > Get this strait.
> > Since nearly all the solar power coming from the
> > sun is in the form of ElectroMagnetic Radiation, EMR,
> > we would not exist without it. EMR is a good thing!

> Can't read can you?

> The sun does generate electro magnetic fields around human beings.

Of course it does.
EMR is called Light, UltraViolet, InfraRed, and Radio and others.

> > Duane

Carl R. Osterwald

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In article <cqti905qiq3vt2kh6...@4ax.com>,
<nos...@plz.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 5 May 2004 15:35:41 -0700, "Bill Carson" <bcarso...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Why all the worry?
>
> Worry? Aside from the devastating effects of electromagnetic radiation (aka
> electrical fields) on the physical and mental health of human beings and
> their eminent cause of human extinction, there is also the main reason WHY

> the NSA/NASA is bombaBIGFLUSH

Dear Alexa:

This screed was not long enough. Please endeavor to post longer screed
in the future.

Thanks.


-=-=-=-=-

Official AFA-B Bully, Pest, Antagonist, Gubmint Disinformation
Agent, "Dr. Green" Sockpuppet, and Chief AFA-B Vote Rustler.

Alastair McDonald

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"*" <nos...@plz.com> wrote in message
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Well, I stil don't know what you are talking about . Goodbye"!

Cheers, alastair.


*

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On Wed, 05 May 2004 19:37:45 -0500, "Duane C. Johnson" <red...@redrok.com>
wrote:

>Hi *
>
>* wrote:
>
>> "Duane C. Johnson" <red...@redrok.com> wrote:
>
>> > Hay *;
>
>> > Get this strait.
>> > Since nearly all the solar power coming from the
>> > sun is in the form of ElectroMagnetic Radiation, EMR,
>> > we would not exist without it. EMR is a good thing!
>
>> Can't read can you?
>
>> The sun does generate electro magnetic fields around human beings.
>
>Of course it does.
>EMR is called Light, UltraViolet, InfraRed, and Radio and others.

And our atmosphere protects us from the sun's harmful effects, or what's
left of it.
>
>> > Duane
>
>Duane

*

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On Wed, 05 May 2004 18:43:16 -0600, "Carl R. Osterwald" <i...@mac.com> wrote:

>In article <cqti905qiq3vt2kh6...@4ax.com>,
><nos...@plz.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 5 May 2004 15:35:41 -0700, "Bill Carson" <bcarso...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Why all the worry?
>>
>> Worry? Aside from the devastating effects of electromagnetic radiation (aka
>> electrical fields) on the physical and mental health of human beings and
>> their eminent cause of human extinction, there is also the main reason WHY
>> the NSA/NASA is bombaBIGFLUSH
>
>Dear Alexa:

To whom are you referring?

<snip>

*

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On Thu, 6 May 2004 01:43:52 +0100, "Alastair McDonald"
<alas...@abmcdonald.leavethisout.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>
>"*" <nos...@plz.com> wrote in message
>news:rs1j90176qp67ur5n...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 6 May 2004 01:25:59 +0100, "Alastair McDonald"
>> <alas...@abmcdonald.leavethisout.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >No I don't. i don't know what you are talking about.
>>
>> Well to make it real simple:
>>
>> The power elite aka Bechtel Nevada/Lockheed and the World Bank have financed
>> defense projects for mind control purposes with use electromagnetic
>> radiation. And electromagnetic radiation kills human beings by causing a
>> whole buncha things, like cancer, mental illness, heart disease, genetic
>> defects -- not only in humans but all living things on earth.
>>
>> In a nutshell:
>>
>> They're killing themselves and expediting extinction.
>
>Well, I stil don't know what you are talking about . Goodbye"!
>
>Cheers, alastair.

Oh, it won't be such a good bye. Death by EMR effects is very painful.


Robert Buchanan

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> On Wed, 05 May 2004 18:43:16 -0600, "Carl R. Osterwald" <i...@mac.com>

Alexa, you're just making even more of a fool of yourself.

BTW, how's your bed? Cold and empty at night?

*

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On 06 May 2004 00:49:50 GMT, Robert Buchanan <rbuc...@neubauten.forge>
wrote:

>Let's find out what * has to contribute...


>
>> On Wed, 05 May 2004 18:43:16 -0600, "Carl R. Osterwald" <i...@mac.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <cqti905qiq3vt2kh6...@4ax.com>,
>>><nos...@plz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 5 May 2004 15:35:41 -0700, "Bill Carson"
>>>> <bcarso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >Why all the worry?
>>>>
>>>> Worry? Aside from the devastating effects of electromagnetic
>>>> radiation (aka electrical fields) on the physical and mental health
>>>> of human beings and their eminent cause of human extinction, there
>>>> is also the main reason WHY the NSA/NASA is bombaBIGFLUSH
>>>
>>>Dear Alexa:
>>
>> To whom are you referring?
>>
>> <snip>
>
>Alexa,

To whom are you referring?

>you're just making even more of a fool of yourself.

Fool? You're the fool, dumbass. Neither I nor alexa wrote those articles
posted.

What an illogical fuck wit you are, moron..


>
>BTW, how's your bed? Cold and empty at night?

Nice and warm, thanks!

OhBrother

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"Alastair McDonald" <alas...@abmcdonald.leavethisout.freeserve.co.uk> wrote
in message news:c7c1q5$1jh$1...@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
Ask her what she knows about Lockheed's, Haliburton's and Bechtel's part in
the dihydrogen monoxide scourge polluting the earth
http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

Now there's a cause to die for.

O'

*

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Indeed:

http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=7021285

Cold fusion experiments with ordinary water and thin nickel foil
Creator/Author Matsumoto, Takaaki (Hokkaido Univ., Sapporo (Japan))
Publication Date 1993 Nov 01
Other Numbers ISSN0748-1896; CODEN: FUSTE8
Resource/
Doc Type Journal Article
Resource Relation Fusion Technology ; Vol/Issue: 24:3
Subject 700360 -- Fusion Reactions-- (1992-); NICKEL-- COLD FUSION;NICKEL--
ELECTROLYSIS;WATER-- COLD FUSION;WATER-- ELECTROLYSIS; FOILS
Related Subject ELEMENTS;HYDROGEN COMPOUNDS;LYSIS;METALS;NUCLEAR
REACTIONS;OXYGEN COMPOUNDS;TRANSITION ELEMENTS
Description/
Abstract Cold fusion experiments with ordinary water and thin nickel foils
are described.^The temperature variation and the surface condition of the
foils are examined.^It has been proven that ordinary water can produce
excess heat.^Furthermore, reaction products are recorded on nuclear
emulsions.^Charged particles, electrons, protons, and deuterons, are
observed.^Micro-explosions caused by gravity decay of neutron nuclei are
also recorded.^Many traces indicating tiny black holes and white holes are
clearly observed.^The mechanisms of cold fusion with ordinary water are
discussed in terms of the Nattoh model.^17 refs., 9 figs.
Country of
Publication United States
Language English
Format Pages: 296-306
OSTI Identifier OSTI ID: 7021285
System Entry Date 2001 May 13

>
>O'
>
>

Eric Gisin

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"*" <nos...@plz.com> wrote in message
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I hope it doesn't take too long. Have a happy death. One less Troll.

*

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On Wed, 5 May 2004 18:15:39 -0700, "Eric Gisin" <eric...@graffiti.net>
wrote:

Do you see your government attempting to protect you from EMR?

No?

Well, that answers your question about trolling, doesn't it.

Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)

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On 05 May 2004 21:36:38 GMT, Robert Buchanan
<rbuc...@neubauten.forge> wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message
<Xns94E0B41F4...@216.178.71.68>:

>With apologies to Einstuerzende Neubauten:
>http://www.neubauten.org/tabula/interimsliebenden_e.php
>I have modified Die Interimsliebenden to apply to Alexa Cameron.
>Enjoy, you nutty bitch!
>
>

>"The Interimdelusions"
>by Robert Buchanan

Well done, Sir!
--
V.G.

Change pobox dot alaska to gci.
"I are so sure of yourself don't you .. (ehe ehe ehe)" - Peitro Alitardia (67d7a369.04040...@posting.google.com)
"No doubt about it, 9-11 was orchestrated by Lockheed." - *lexa 'connects the dots' (cg5t80pl73d7r1s81...@4ax.com)
(This sig file contains not less than 80% recycled SPAM)

Sarcasm is my sword, Apathy is my shield.

Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)

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On 05 May 2004 23:58:00 GMT, Robert Buchanan
<rbuc...@neubauten.forge> wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message
<Xns94E0CC18E...@216.178.71.68>:

>>> What's even fascinating is you eminent death due to EMR.
>>>
>>>That's the Alexa I know and am embarassed to be of the same species
>>>with!
>>
>> Who's embarrassed? You're a laugh riot while in the process of
>> killing yourself.
>
>*sigh*
>
>And how am I doing that, Alexa?

Any idea what this very scary EMR thing is supposed to be?

*

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On Wed, 05 May 2004 17:48:45 -0800, "Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)"
<vgor...@pobox.alaska.net> wrote:

>On 05 May 2004 21:36:38 GMT, Robert Buchanan
><rbuc...@neubauten.forge> wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message
><Xns94E0B41F4...@216.178.71.68>:
>
>>With apologies to Einstuerzende Neubauten:
>>http://www.neubauten.org/tabula/interimsliebenden_e.php
>>I have modified Die Interimsliebenden to apply to Alexa Cameron.
>>Enjoy, you nutty bitch!
>>
>>
>>"The Interimdelusions"
>>by Robert Buchanan
>
>Well done, Sir!

Indeed!

LOL!

Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)

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On Wed, 05 May 2004 18:43:16 -0600, "Carl R. Osterwald" <i...@mac.com>
wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message <050520041843161058%i...@mac.com>:

>In article <cqti905qiq3vt2kh6...@4ax.com>,
><nos...@plz.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 5 May 2004 15:35:41 -0700, "Bill Carson" <bcarso...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Why all the worry?
>>
>> Worry? Aside from the devastating effects of electromagnetic radiation (aka
>> electrical fields) on the physical and mental health of human beings and
>> their eminent cause of human extinction, there is also the main reason WHY
>> the NSA/NASA is bombaBIGFLUSH
>
>Dear Alexa:
>
>This screed was not long enough. Please endeavor to post longer screed
>in the future.
>
>Thanks.

Every person who has ever lived has been bombarded with "EMR", every
second of their lives, from the moment of conception.

*

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On Wed, 05 May 2004 17:55:20 -0800, "Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)"
<vgor...@pobox.alaska.net> wrote:

>Every person who has ever lived has been bombarded with "EMR", every
>second of their lives, from the moment of conception.

The earth's atmosphere protects us from natural EMR, or what's left of the
atmosphere.

Go beyond earth's atmosphere and 'space radiation' will kill you, just as
surely as beaming EMR at earth from NSA/NASA remote sensing satellites.

Laura

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"*" <nos...@plz.com> wrote in message
news:ej2j9099ubstlh9je...@4ax.com...

It's actually the magnetic field of the earth that protects us from the
worst of it. The atmosphere deals with most of the rest. Still, it's not
enough to prevent solar flares from frying electronics and power systems
every now and then. It takes a whopping big electromagnetic pulse to do
that - we can only produce something similar by detonating nuclear weapons.
A really big coronal mass ejection could overcome all of this and kill
everyone. Stars similar to the sun are known to do things like that, so
there's no reason to think the sun never will.


*

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On Thu, 6 May 2004 04:29:51 +0200, "Laura" <la...@nospam.me> wrote:

> It takes a whopping big electromagnetic pulse to do
>that - we can only produce something similar by detonating nuclear weapons.


Really? You mean like scalar electromagnetic weapons.


Robert Buchanan

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Before I go, let me hand the keyboard over to Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey
Boy)...

> On 05 May 2004 21:36:38 GMT, Robert Buchanan
> <rbuc...@neubauten.forge> wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message
> <Xns94E0B41F4...@216.178.71.68>:
>
>>With apologies to Einstuerzende Neubauten:
>>http://www.neubauten.org/tabula/interimsliebenden_e.php
>>I have modified Die Interimsliebenden to apply to Alexa Cameron.
>>Enjoy, you nutty bitch!
>>
>>
>>"The Interimdelusions"
>>by Robert Buchanan
>
> Well done, Sir!

Danke, Herr Gorilla!

Robert Buchanan

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Before I go, let me hand the keyboard over to Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey
Boy)...

> On 05 May 2004 23:58:00 GMT, Robert Buchanan


> <rbuc...@neubauten.forge> wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message
> <Xns94E0CC18E...@216.178.71.68>:
>
>>>> What's even fascinating is you eminent death due to EMR.
>>>>
>>>>That's the Alexa I know and am embarassed to be of the same species
>>>>with!
>>>
>>> Who's embarrassed? You're a laugh riot while in the process of
>>> killing yourself.
>>
>>*sigh*
>>
>>And how am I doing that, Alexa?
>
> Any idea what this very scary EMR thing is supposed to be?

No, she hasn't explained this particular bit of lunacy to me yet.

Carl R. Osterwald

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In article <2n2j90pt3eo9msddk...@4ax.com>,
<nos...@plz.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 05 May 2004 18:43:16 -0600, "Carl R. Osterwald" <i...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <cqti905qiq3vt2kh6...@4ax.com>,
> ><nos...@plz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 5 May 2004 15:35:41 -0700, "Bill Carson" <bcarso...@yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Why all the worry?
> >>
> >> Worry? Aside from the devastating effects of electromagnetic radiation
> >> (aka
> >> electrical fields) on the physical and mental health of human beings and
> >> their eminent cause of human extinction, there is also the main reason WHY
> >> the NSA/NASA is bombaBIGFLUSH
> >
> >Dear Alexa:
>
> To whom are you referring?

That would be you, dearie.

*

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May 5, 2004, 11:25:01 PM5/5/04
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On 06 May 2004 03:19:08 GMT, Robert Buchanan <rbuc...@neubauten.forge>
wrote:

>Before I go, let me hand the keyboard over to Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey
>Boy)...
>
>> On 05 May 2004 23:58:00 GMT, Robert Buchanan
>> <rbuc...@neubauten.forge> wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message
>> <Xns94E0CC18E...@216.178.71.68>:
>>
>>>>> What's even fascinating is you eminent death due to EMR.
>>>>>
>>>>>That's the Alexa I know and am embarassed to be of the same species
>>>>>with!
>>>>
>>>> Who's embarrassed? You're a laugh riot while in the process of
>>>> killing yourself.
>>>
>>>*sigh*
>>>
>>>And how am I doing that, Alexa?
>>
>> Any idea what this very scary EMR thing is supposed to be?
>
>No, she hasn't explained this particular bit of lunacy to me yet.

To whom are you referring?

*

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On Wed, 05 May 2004 21:24:59 -0600, "Carl R. Osterwald" <i...@mac.com> wrote:

>In article <2n2j90pt3eo9msddk...@4ax.com>,
><nos...@plz.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 05 May 2004 18:43:16 -0600, "Carl R. Osterwald" <i...@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <cqti905qiq3vt2kh6...@4ax.com>,
>> ><nos...@plz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 5 May 2004 15:35:41 -0700, "Bill Carson" <bcarso...@yahoo.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Why all the worry?
>> >>
>> >> Worry? Aside from the devastating effects of electromagnetic radiation
>> >> (aka
>> >> electrical fields) on the physical and mental health of human beings and
>> >> their eminent cause of human extinction, there is also the main reason WHY
>> >> the NSA/NASA is bombaBIGFLUSH
>> >
>> >Dear Alexa:
>>
>> To whom are you referring?
>
>That would be you, dearie.

To whom are you referring?

Surely you're not paranoid about one little old human being, are you?

Carl R. Osterwald

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May 5, 2004, 11:27:39 PM5/5/04
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In article <cd3j90pnlh6jkpq51...@4ax.com>,
<nos...@plz.com> wrote:

The crazy person who stamps her feet up and down insisting that it is
possible to get free energy from a welder is calling Robert an
"illogical fuck wit" and a "moron?" Why do you abuse irony meters so?

> >
> >BTW, how's your bed? Cold and empty at night?
>
> Nice and warm, thanks!

Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)

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On Thu, 06 May 2004 02:01:51 GMT, * <nos...@plz.com> wrote in
alt.fan.art-bell in message
<3v6j909782f5b4kco...@4ax.com>:

>On Wed, 05 May 2004 17:55:20 -0800, "Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)"
><vgor...@pobox.alaska.net> wrote:
>
>>Every person who has ever lived has been bombarded with "EMR", every
>>second of their lives, from the moment of conception.
>
>The earth's atmosphere protects us from natural EMR, or what's left of the
>atmosphere.

Ever hear of a little thing called "sunlight"? Or "radio"? Or
"radon"? Or "infrared"?

It's everywhere, except under your bed.

Carl R. Osterwald

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May 5, 2004, 11:32:13 PM5/5/04
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In article <3v6j909782f5b4kco...@4ax.com>,
<nos...@plz.com> wrote:

What is the frequency and amplitude of this alleged EMR beamed from
alleged "NSA/NASA remote sensing satellites"?

Why does does this alleged EMR beamed from satellites able to penetrate
the atmosphere yet "natural EMR" is not?

Where do these alleged "NSA/NASA remote sensing satellites" get enough
power to beam this alleged EMR?

Robert Buchanan

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Before I go, let me hand the keyboard over to *...

And empty, Alexa. You are alone and unloved.

Robert Buchanan

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Before I go, let me hand the keyboard over to *...

> On Wed, 05 May 2004 17:55:20 -0800, "Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)"


> <vgor...@pobox.alaska.net> wrote:
>
>>Every person who has ever lived has been bombarded with "EMR", every
>>second of their lives, from the moment of conception.
>
> The earth's atmosphere protects us from natural EMR, or what's left of
> the atmosphere.

Do tell us more about what caused the depletion of the Earth's atmosphere.

> Go beyond earth's atmosphere and 'space radiation' will kill you,

Well, a lot of things can kill you if you go beyond the Earth's atmosphere
wearing nothing more than a T-shirt, slacks, and your tinfoil beanie.

> just
> as surely as beaming EMR at earth from NSA/NASA remote sensing
> satellites.

Please be sure to tell us why they do that.

*

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You're real defensive about your sock puppets, aren't you, David.

*

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On 06 May 2004 03:28:51 GMT, Robert Buchanan <rbuc...@neubauten.forge>
wrote:

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

*

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On 06 May 2004 03:31:14 GMT, Robert Buchanan <rbuc...@neubauten.forge>
wrote:

[..]

>Well, a lot of things can kill you if you go beyond the Earth's atmosphere

Do tell, pleeze!


Robert Buchanan

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> On 06 May 2004 03:31:14 GMT, Robert Buchanan

Why? I thought you were educated on the subject.
BTW, did you like the reworking of the "Die Interimsliebenden" lyrics I
wrote up for you?

*

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On Wed, 05 May 2004 21:32:13 -0600, "Carl R. Osterwald" <i...@mac.com> wrote:

>In article <3v6j909782f5b4kco...@4ax.com>,
><nos...@plz.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 05 May 2004 17:55:20 -0800, "Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)"
>> <vgor...@pobox.alaska.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Every person who has ever lived has been bombarded with "EMR", every
>> >second of their lives, from the moment of conception.
>>
>> The earth's atmosphere protects us from natural EMR, or what's left of the
>> atmosphere.
>>
>> Go beyond earth's atmosphere and 'space radiation' will kill you, just as
>> surely as beaming EMR at earth from NSA/NASA remote sensing satellites.
>
>What is the frequency and amplitude of this alleged EMR beamed from
>alleged "NSA/NASA remote sensing satellites"?

Enough to melt steel.


>
>Why does does this alleged EMR beamed from satellites able to penetrate
>the atmosphere yet "natural EMR" is not?

Because it is in our ionosphere.

>Where do these alleged "NSA/NASA remote sensing satellites" get enough
>power to beam this alleged EMR?

HAARP.

Clave

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"*" <nos...@plz.com> wrote in message
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You're kidding, right?

Jim


Robert Buchanan

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Before I go, let me hand the keyboard over to *...

> On Wed, 05 May 2004 21:32:13 -0600, "Carl R. Osterwald" <i...@mac.com>


> wrote:
>
>>In article <3v6j909782f5b4kco...@4ax.com>,
>><nos...@plz.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 05 May 2004 17:55:20 -0800, "Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)"
>>> <vgor...@pobox.alaska.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Every person who has ever lived has been bombarded with "EMR",
>>> >every second of their lives, from the moment of conception.
>>>
>>> The earth's atmosphere protects us from natural EMR, or what's left
>>> of the atmosphere.
>>>
>>> Go beyond earth's atmosphere and 'space radiation' will kill you,
>>> just as surely as beaming EMR at earth from NSA/NASA remote sensing
>>> satellites.
>>
>>What is the frequency and amplitude of this alleged EMR beamed from
>>alleged "NSA/NASA remote sensing satellites"?
>
> Enough to melt steel.

Into HUGE MOLTEN POOLS?!

>>Why does does this alleged EMR beamed from satellites able to
>>penetrate the atmosphere yet "natural EMR" is not?
>
> Because it is in our ionosphere.

No, it isn't.

*

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Nope. Tell 'em.


>
>Jim
>

*

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On 06 May 2004 03:58:20 GMT, Robert Buchanan <rbuc...@neubauten.forge>
wrote:

>Before I go, let me hand the keyboard over to *...
>
>> On 06 May 2004 03:31:14 GMT, Robert Buchanan
>> <rbuc...@neubauten.forge> wrote:
>>
>> [..]
>>
>>>Well, a lot of things can kill you if you go beyond the Earth's
>>>atmosphere
>>
>> Do tell, pleeze!
>
>Why? I thought you were educated on the subject.
>BTW, did you like the reworking of the "Die Interimsliebenden" lyrics I
>wrote up for you?

C.mon, tell us who your work for, Herr B.

*

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On 06 May 2004 04:04:23 GMT, Robert Buchanan <rbuc...@neubauten.forge>
wrote:

>Before I go, let me hand the keyboard over to *...


>
>> On Wed, 05 May 2004 21:32:13 -0600, "Carl R. Osterwald" <i...@mac.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <3v6j909782f5b4kco...@4ax.com>,
>>><nos...@plz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 05 May 2004 17:55:20 -0800, "Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)"
>>>> <vgor...@pobox.alaska.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >Every person who has ever lived has been bombarded with "EMR",
>>>> >every second of their lives, from the moment of conception.
>>>>
>>>> The earth's atmosphere protects us from natural EMR, or what's left
>>>> of the atmosphere.
>>>>
>>>> Go beyond earth's atmosphere and 'space radiation' will kill you,
>>>> just as surely as beaming EMR at earth from NSA/NASA remote sensing
>>>> satellites.
>>>
>>>What is the frequency and amplitude of this alleged EMR beamed from
>>>alleged "NSA/NASA remote sensing satellites"?
>>
>> Enough to melt steel.
>
>Into HUGE MOLTEN POOLS?!
>
>>>Why does does this alleged EMR beamed from satellites able to
>>>penetrate the atmosphere yet "natural EMR" is not?
>>
>> Because it is in our ionosphere.
>
>No, it isn't.

The source of the energy is and that's where the EMP beam is coming from.

So tell us, who do you work for, Herr B.


Carl R. Osterwald

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In article <s4ej90528q0jkdqrv...@4ax.com>,
<nos...@plz.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 05 May 2004 21:32:13 -0600, "Carl R. Osterwald" <i...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <3v6j909782f5b4kco...@4ax.com>,
> ><nos...@plz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 05 May 2004 17:55:20 -0800, "Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)"
> >> <vgor...@pobox.alaska.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Every person who has ever lived has been bombarded with "EMR", every
> >> >second of their lives, from the moment of conception.
> >>
> >> The earth's atmosphere protects us from natural EMR, or what's left of the
> >> atmosphere.
> >>
> >> Go beyond earth's atmosphere and 'space radiation' will kill you, just as
> >> surely as beaming EMR at earth from NSA/NASA remote sensing satellites.
> >
> >What is the frequency and amplitude of this alleged EMR beamed from
> >alleged "NSA/NASA remote sensing satellites"?
>
> Enough to melt steel.

You apparently cannot read.

What is the frequency and amplitude of this alleged EMR beamed from
alleged "NSA/NASA remote sensing satellites"?

> >


> >Why does does this alleged EMR beamed from satellites able to penetrate
> >the atmosphere yet "natural EMR" is not?
>
> Because it is in our ionosphere.

Please explain how NASA is able to communicate with deep space probes
that well beyond the Earth's magnetic field.

> >Where do these alleged "NSA/NASA remote sensing satellites" get enough
> >power to beam this alleged EMR?
>
> HAARP.

When all rational explanations fail, HAARP is the root of all evil.
Kooksign!

*

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On Wed, 05 May 2004 22:22:13 -0600, "Carl R. Osterwald" <i...@mac.com> wrote:

>In article <s4ej90528q0jkdqrv...@4ax.com>,
><nos...@plz.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 05 May 2004 21:32:13 -0600, "Carl R. Osterwald" <i...@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <3v6j909782f5b4kco...@4ax.com>,
>> ><nos...@plz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 05 May 2004 17:55:20 -0800, "Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)"
>> >> <vgor...@pobox.alaska.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Every person who has ever lived has been bombarded with "EMR", every
>> >> >second of their lives, from the moment of conception.
>> >>
>> >> The earth's atmosphere protects us from natural EMR, or what's left of the
>> >> atmosphere.
>> >>
>> >> Go beyond earth's atmosphere and 'space radiation' will kill you, just as
>> >> surely as beaming EMR at earth from NSA/NASA remote sensing satellites.
>> >
>> >What is the frequency and amplitude of this alleged EMR beamed from
>> >alleged "NSA/NASA remote sensing satellites"?
>>
>> Enough to melt steel.
>
>You apparently cannot read.
>
>What is the frequency and amplitude of this alleged EMR beamed from
>alleged "NSA/NASA remote sensing satellites"?

You do the research, I've got something else to do tonight. ;)

Nighty night, David.

Sweet dreams, snookie.

Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)

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On Thu, 06 May 2004 04:04:07 GMT, * <nos...@plz.com> wrote in
alt.fan.art-bell in message
<s4ej90528q0jkdqrv...@4ax.com>:

>>What is the frequency and amplitude of this alleged EMR beamed from
>>alleged "NSA/NASA remote sensing satellites"?
>
>Enough to melt steel.
>>
>>Why does does this alleged EMR beamed from satellites able to penetrate
>>the atmosphere yet "natural EMR" is not?
>
>Because it is in our ionosphere.
>
>>Where do these alleged "NSA/NASA remote sensing satellites" get enough
>>power to beam this alleged EMR?
>
>HAARP.

Madre de Dios! It's a k00k Trifecta!

Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)

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On Wed, 05 May 2004 21:27:39 -0600, "Carl R. Osterwald" <i...@mac.com>

wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message <050520042127392846%i...@mac.com>:

>The crazy person who stamps her feet up and down insisting that it is
>possible to get free energy from a welder is calling Robert an
>"illogical fuck wit" and a "moron?" Why do you abuse irony meters so?

The aliens made her do it.

Ugly Bob

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"Laura" <la...@nospam.me> wrote in message
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>
> "*" <nos...@plz.com> wrote in message
> news:ej2j9099ubstlh9je...@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 05 May 2004 19:37:45 -0500, "Duane C. Johnson"
<red...@redrok.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Hi *
> > >
> > >* wrote:
> > >
> > >> "Duane C. Johnson" <red...@redrok.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> > Hay *;
> > >
> > >> > Get this strait.
> > >> > Since nearly all the solar power coming from the
> > >> > sun is in the form of ElectroMagnetic Radiation, EMR,
> > >> > we would not exist without it. EMR is a good thing!
> > >
> > >> Can't read can you?
> > >
> > >> The sun does generate electro magnetic fields around human beings.
> > >
> > >Of course it does.
> > >EMR is called Light, UltraViolet, InfraRed, and Radio and others.
> >
> > And our atmosphere protects us from the sun's harmful effects, or what's
> > left of it.
>
> It's actually the magnetic field of the earth that protects us from the
> worst of it. The atmosphere deals with most of the rest. Still, it's not
> enough to prevent solar flares from frying electronics and power systems
> every now and then. It takes a whopping big electromagnetic pulse to do

> that - we can only produce something similar by detonating nuclear
weapons.

Well, not exactly. There is a non nuclear option. Welcome to the wonderful
world of weapons :-)

http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/army/tradoc/usaic/mipb/1997-1/merkle.htm

http://science.howstuffworks.com/e-bomb3.htm

I believe these weapons do exist, at least in prototype. I believe that they
have been deployed in limited numbers, as well.

Here's a navy.mil site that has an acronym for 'em. NNEMP

http://www.nawcwpns.navy.mil/~teclib/dewglossary.html

Here's an airforce.mil site that has an "interesting" space based concept.

http://www.usafa.af.mil/wing/34edg/airman/suhajd~1.htm

> A really big coronal mass ejection could overcome all of this and kill
> everyone. Stars similar to the sun are known to do things like that, so
> there's no reason to think the sun never will.
>
>


Dr. Flonkenstein

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May 6, 2004, 9:57:20 AM5/6/04
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Being tired of lurking, on Thu, 06 May 2004 04:29:51 +0200, Laura posted:

>
> "*" <nos...@plz.com> wrote in message
> news:ej2j9099ubstlh9je...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 05 May 2004 19:37:45 -0500, "Duane C. Johnson"
>> <red...@redrok.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Hi *
>> >
>> >* wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Duane C. Johnson" <red...@redrok.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> > Hay *;
>> >
>> >> > Get this strait.
>> >> > Since nearly all the solar power coming from the sun is in the form
>> >> > of ElectroMagnetic Radiation, EMR, we would not exist without it.
>> >> > EMR is a good thing!
>> >
>> >> Can't read can you?
>> >
>> >> The sun does generate electro magnetic fields around human beings.
>> >
>> >Of course it does.
>> >EMR is called Light, UltraViolet, InfraRed, and Radio and others.
>>
>> And our atmosphere protects us from the sun's harmful effects, or what's
>> left of it.
>
> It's actually the magnetic field of the earth that protects us from the
> worst of it. The atmosphere deals with most of the rest. Still, it's not
> enough to prevent solar flares from frying electronics and power systems
> every now and then. It takes a whopping big electromagnetic pulse to do
> that - we can only produce something similar by detonating nuclear

> weapons. A really big coronal mass ejection could overcome all of this and


> kill everyone. Stars similar to the sun are known to do things like that,
> so there's no reason to think the sun never will.

But the Soviets have been know to have been tampering with the Sun's
magnetic field in order to influence our weather!

--
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"I'm hardly a kook."

Carl R. Osterwald

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May 6, 2004, 10:15:32 AM5/6/04
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In article <0dfj901uc6oeqas09...@4ax.com>,
<nos...@plz.com> wrote:

In other words, you can't answer the question.

Richard Schumacher

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May 6, 2004, 10:15:25 AM5/6/04
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Hoo-wee, that boy sure can type.

For protection from this monstrous menace always wear a hat, football helmet or bicycle helmet lined with aluminum foil.

Carl R. Osterwald

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May 6, 2004, 10:35:27 AM5/6/04
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In article <i5ri9097ia51pg4hm...@4ax.com>,
<nos...@plz.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 5 May 2004 15:35:41 -0700, "Bill Carson" <bcarso...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>

> >"*" <nos...@plz.com> wrote in message

> >news:u7qi90lcsvvgo9836...@4ax.com...
> >> snip
> >
> >Why all the worry? Let the folks at TACHYON ENERGY PRODUCTS get you the
> >protection you need:
> >
> >"Studies show that Tachyonized Silica Disks installed over your circuit
> >breakers neutralize
> > the negative effects of EMFs, protect your circuits and, at the same time,
> >improve biological
> >functioning. Food prepared with electrical appliances will have greater
> >life-force energy. "
> >
> >http://www.tachyon-energy-products.com/externals/emf_protection.htm
> >
> >There are many other great products out there to defeat EMF. Perhaps you
> >should
> >consider building a Farady cage to live in?
>
> Not when the NSA/NASA is bombarding the entire earth with electrical fields
> with their remote sensing equipment.

Maybe you should learn the meaning of the phrase "remote sensing"
before trying to use it in sentences.

Carl R. Osterwald

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May 6, 2004, 10:42:36 AM5/6/04
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In article <p90j90lemva9pvtso...@4ax.com>, *
<nos...@plz.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 6 May 2004 00:42:51 +0100, "Alastair McDonald"
> <alas...@abmcdonald.leavethisout.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >Sorry! If you can't be bothered to say who you are, I can't be
> >bothered reading what you post!
>
> You don't need to read it -- you already know!
>
> I'm wondering though --
>
> How is the NSA gonna control 6+ billion people suffering from severe mental
> disorders due to their remote sensing equipment bombarding earth with
> electrical fields?
>
> I can hardly wait for the shooting in the streets to start.
>
> Cool.

Not only are you an insane kook, you are a ghoul as well. How does it
feel to be in the same bed with Turdi and Soiled Log?

Laura

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May 6, 2004, 11:33:16 AM5/6/04
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"Ugly Bob" <ugly_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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The only weapon that can do it on a scale approaching that of a massive
solar flare is a thermonuclear bomb detonated at a great altitude.

The weapons you're talking about are of a tactical, rather than strategic,
nature. That is to say that they affect a smaller area and are targeted,
which does seem the sensible way to go, especially if one doesn't want to
risk killing some of ones' own satellites in the process :-)


Laura

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May 6, 2004, 11:39:03 AM5/6/04
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"Dr. Flonkenstein" <gregoriy_rasp...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> Being tired of lurking, on Thu, 06 May 2004 04:29:51 +0200, Laura posted:

> But the Soviets have been know to have been tampering with the Sun's


> magnetic field in order to influence our weather!

How?


Dr. Flonkenstein

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May 6, 2004, 12:22:14 PM5/6/04
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Being tired of lurking, on Thu, 06 May 2004 17:39:03 +0200, Laura posted:

That information is classified, but it involves DEDs (Dark Emitting Diodes).

*

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May 6, 2004, 1:06:56 PM5/6/04
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On 6 May 2004 13:57:20 GMT, "Dr. Flonkenstein"
<gregoriy_rasp...@hotmail.com> wrote:

[...]

>But the Soviets have been know to have been tampering with the Sun's
>magnetic field in order to influence our weather!

Not exactly.

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=38963

In January, 1960 (43 years ago!) Nikita Khrushchev announced to the
Presidium:

"We have a new weapon, just within the portfolio of our scientists, so to
speak, which is so powerful that, if unrestrainedly used, it could wipe out
all life on earth. It is a fantastic weapon."

The Russians have not yet revealed that weapon, but developed it in secret,
and tested it clandestinely to see if the West could understand what was
going on, whether the U.S. had discovered the weapon yet. It had not.

In 1997, 37 years after Khrushchev had announced the new (scalar
electromagnetic) weapon U.S. Defense Secretary William Cohen gave a warning,
suggesting that the U.S. had finally understood the nature and power of the
weapon. He warned about eco-terrorism using scalar electromagnetic weapons

"Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby
they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through
the use of electromagnetic waves... So there are plenty of ingenious minds
out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon
other nations...It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify
our [counter terrorism] efforts."

Dr. Flonkenstein

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May 6, 2004, 1:43:42 PM5/6/04
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Being tired of lurking, on Thu, 06 May 2004 17:06:56 +0000, * posted:

> On 6 May 2004 13:57:20 GMT, "Dr. Flonkenstein"
> <gregoriy_rasp...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>But the Soviets have been know to have been tampering with the Sun's
>>magnetic field in order to influence our weather!
>
> Not exactly.
>
> http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=38963
>

The writer of this article clearly doesn't know anything about the
Soviets, and honestly I know a lot more, thanks to my liaison with the
former KGB. The technology involved exploits the value of -1/2 photon
spins that are used in DED diodes.
This "thermodynamical" spin is added to the photon using
graviquantummechanical antimatter that is obtained using advanced reverse
gravitational electromechanical interaction. This is the dual opposite of
the effect discovered by A. Einstein:

http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0302039
http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=31417
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-bib_query?1975PThPh..54.1309T
http://www.rialian.com/rnboyd/karita3.htm
http://www.levity.com/mavericks/fields.htm
http://www.iop.org/EJ/article/0264-9381/17/13/305/q01305.pdf
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0002025

*

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May 6, 2004, 1:55:44 PM5/6/04
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On 6 May 2004 17:43:42 GMT, "Dr. Flonkenstein"
<gregoriy_rasp...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>This "thermodynamical" spin is added to the photon using
>graviquantummechanical antimatter that is obtained using advanced reverse
>gravitational electromechanical interaction.

You deserve a Pulitzer for your techno babble. Great stuff.

Thanks for the giggle!

Dr. Flonkenstein

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May 6, 2004, 2:01:50 PM5/6/04
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Being tired of lurking, on Thu, 06 May 2004 17:55:44 +0000, * posted:

Do you always giggle when you fail to understand something scientifical?

*

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May 6, 2004, 2:10:32 PM5/6/04
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On 6 May 2004 18:01:50 GMT, "Dr. Flonkenstein"
<gregoriy_rasp...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Being tired of lurking, on Thu, 06 May 2004 17:55:44 +0000, * posted:
>
>> On 6 May 2004 17:43:42 GMT, "Dr. Flonkenstein"
>> <gregoriy_rasp...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>This "thermodynamical" spin is added to the photon using
>>>graviquantummechanical antimatter that is obtained using advanced reverse
>>>gravitational electromechanical interaction.
>>
>> You deserve a Pulitzer for your techno babble. Great stuff.
>>
>> Thanks for the giggle!
>
>Do you always giggle when you fail to understand something scientifical?

Science is about demystifying the unknown.

What's ashame is that with your literary talents, you're not helping
children to learn to read and write and to understand. Instead you're
bullshitting lesser minds, who might believe you.

Pity. OUr 'government' is going backwards into the dark ages.

Dr. Flonkenstein

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May 6, 2004, 2:41:41 PM5/6/04
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Being tired of lurking, on Thu, 06 May 2004 18:10:32 +0000, * posted:

> On 6 May 2004 18:01:50 GMT, "Dr. Flonkenstein"
> <gregoriy_rasp...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Being tired of lurking, on Thu, 06 May 2004 17:55:44 +0000, * posted:
>>
>>> On 6 May 2004 17:43:42 GMT, "Dr. Flonkenstein"
>>> <gregoriy_rasp...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>This "thermodynamical" spin is added to the photon using
>>>>graviquantummechanical antimatter that is obtained using advanced
>>>>reverse gravitational electromechanical interaction.
>>>
>>> You deserve a Pulitzer for your techno babble. Great stuff.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the giggle!
>>
>>Do you always giggle when you fail to understand something scientifical?
>
> Science is about demystifying the unknown.
>
> What's ashame is that with your literary talents, you're not helping
> children to learn to read and write and to understand.

Who told you I should be interested in helping children to learn to read,
write and understand?

> Instead you're
> bullshitting lesser minds, who might believe you.
>

Until now, nobody has been complaining about that.
I'm not the one that is posting long boring articles written by people who
obviously love to handle scientific terms they don't understand themselves.

What *is* a "scalar" electromagnetic wave, Alexa?

How is it that an electromagnetic wave is represented as a vector field,
and not a scalar field?

"Maxwell's equations (Maxwell, 1864, 1991) describe the propagation of an
electromagnetic field. It is a coupled process, propagating as a
three-dimensional, polarized, vector wave field. "
http://www.g-p-r.com/em.htm

"Here, E0 and B0 are constant vectors, k is called the wave-vector, and w
is the angular frequency."
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em1/lectures/node43.html

"A field, in this context, is a vector field A vector field associates a
vector to every point in space; the vectors may change from point to
point. Vector fields are often used in physics, for instance to indicate
the speed and direction of a moving fluid throughout space, or the
strength and direction of some force, such as the magnetic or
gravitational force, as it changes from point to point.

The concept of a vector is fundamental in physics and engineering.
Although the word now has many meanings (see also vector, and
generalizations below), its original and most common meaning in those
fields is a quantity that has a close relationship to spatial directions.
The use of vector in this article refers to that original meaning, except
where otherwise noted.

Often informally described as an object with a "magnitude" and
"direction", a vector is more formally defined by its relationship to the
spatial coordinate system under rotations. Alternatively, it can be
defined in a coordinate-free fashion via a tangent space of a
three-dimensional manifold in the language of differential geometry. These
definitions are discussed in more detail below."
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/magnetic%20field

Maybe you could use the following link and peruse it, before you come back
and pretend to have some scientifical knowledge.

http://heera.engr.siu.edu/elec/courses/undercourse/ece375io.htm

At the time of Exam 1 (after 14 lectures), the student should be able to:

1. Understand and use equations containing scalars, vectors.

2. Given a vector, calculate its magnitude and the unit vector in the same direction.

3. Find the angle between two vectors.

4. Find the unit vector normal to two vectors.

5. Given a vector or vector field in one coordinate system (Cartesian, Cylindrical, or Spherical), convert it to another coordinate system (Cartesian, Cylindrical or Cartesian).

6. Given two points, write the distance vector between the two.

7. Calculate and understand the geometrical significance of dot products and cross products.

8. Find the differential length vector along a curve.

9. Find the unit normal vector at a point on a surface.

10. Choose a differential line, surface or volume most suitable to integrate over a specified shape defined in one of the three coordinate systems.

11. Find equations for direction lines of a vector field.

12. Given a sinusoidally time-varying vector field determine its polarization.

13. Convert between vector fields in the time domain and the phasor domain.

14. Convert between rectangular and exponential forms of a phasor.

15. Use Coulomb's law.

16. Find the electric field due to a distribution of static charges using superposition and the field due to a point charge.

17. Use Ampere's law of force.

18. Find the magnetic field due to a distribution of current using the Biot-Savart law.

19. Use the Lorentz force equation.

20. Define conductivity for a semiconductor or conductor.

21. Find the resistance of a simple shaped conductor.

22. Understand the Hall effect.

23. Understand the basics of dielectric material, permittivity, displacement flux density, and polarization of electric dipoles.

24. Understand the basics of magnetic materials and magnetic dipoles.


As you see you couldn't even solve problem #1.

*

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May 6, 2004, 3:03:19 PM5/6/04
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On 6 May 2004 18:41:41 GMT, "Dr. Flonkenstein"
<gregoriy_rasp...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Being tired of lurking, on Thu, 06 May 2004 18:10:32 +0000, * posted:
>
>> On 6 May 2004 18:01:50 GMT, "Dr. Flonkenstein"
>> <gregoriy_rasp...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Being tired of lurking, on Thu, 06 May 2004 17:55:44 +0000, * posted:
>>>
>>>> On 6 May 2004 17:43:42 GMT, "Dr. Flonkenstein"
>>>> <gregoriy_rasp...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>This "thermodynamical" spin is added to the photon using
>>>>>graviquantummechanical antimatter that is obtained using advanced
>>>>>reverse gravitational electromechanical interaction.
>>>>
>>>> You deserve a Pulitzer for your techno babble. Great stuff.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the giggle!
>>>
>>>Do you always giggle when you fail to understand something scientifical?
>>
>> Science is about demystifying the unknown.
>>
>> What's ashame is that with your literary talents, you're not helping
>> children to learn to read and write and to understand.
>
>Who told you I should be interested in helping children to learn to read,
>write and understand?

That's was taught to us as children, that we should help ourselves by
helping others to understand -- to support the society we live in.

Being paid to post bullshit for nefarious purposes on Usenet, when you
obviously have literary talents, is not supporting your society.

You don't live on an island by yourself.

>> Instead you're
>> bullshitting lesser minds, who might believe you.
>>
>Until now, nobody has been complaining about that.

You're promoting dark aged thinking, going backwards. Instead of clarifying
things, you're mystifying them with bullshit.

>I'm not the one that is posting long boring articles written by people who
>obviously love to handle scientific terms they don't understand themselves.

What's so difficult about understanding that scalar weapon exist, and
they're being used? And what's difficult to understand that those scalar
weapons are devastating to human health?

>What *is* a "scalar" electromagnetic wave,

Why are you resorting to logical fallacies and changing the subject in an
attempt to attack the messenger?

>Alexa?

Why do you have an ax to grind with Alexa? Is there some reason you hate
her that much you have to resort to attacking her at ever turn?

Would it have something to do with the extraterrestrial saucer at Groom Lake
and what goes on at Groom Lake, and other so-called government facilities
which develop and use scalar weapons against the US public?

<snip>

*

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May 6, 2004, 3:13:05 PM5/6/04
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On Thu, 06 May 2004 19:03:19 GMT, * <nos...@plz.com> wrote:

[...]

>>Alexa?
>
>Why do you have an ax to grind with Alexa? Is there some reason you hate
>her that much you have to resort to attacking her at ever turn?
>
>Would it have something to do with the extraterrestrial saucer at Groom Lake
>and what goes on at Groom Lake, and other so-called government facilities
>which develop and use scalar weapons against the US public?
>
><snip>

Addendum:

Scalar technology is causing human extinction.

Here's what our paid Usenet posters don't want people to realize what scalar
technology is primarily used for:

http://www.raven1.net/kilde1.htm

MICROWAVE MIND CONTROL:
MODERN TORTURE AND CONTROL MECHANISMS ELIMINATING HUMAN RIGHTS AND PRIVACY
by Dr. Rauni Leena Kilde, MD
September 25, 1999

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Eleanor White's comments: Dr. Rauni Kilde, formerly the Chief Medical
Officer for Lapland (northern Finland), is one of our bravest professional
supporters. She was given an award from CAHRA for her appearance on a
now-unavailable video by Transmedia Productions in London, England.
See the text of the award plaque at: awardlst.htm

She has given us permission to post this article, an example of the most
vigorous support we have ever received. We thank Dr. Kilde most sincerely.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


HELSINGIN SANOMAT, the largest newspaper in Scandinavia, wrote in the
September 9, 1999 issue that Scientific American magazine estimates that
after the Millenium perhaps ALL people will be implanted with a "DNA
microchip".

How many people realize what it actually means? Total loss of privacy
and total outside control of the person's physical body functions,
mental, emotional and thought processes, including the implanted person's
subconscious and dreams! For the rest of his life!

It sounds like science fiction but it is secret military and intelligence
agencies' mind control technology, which has been experimented with for
almost half a century. Totally without the knowledge of the general
public and even the general academic population.

Supercomputers in Maryland, Israel and elsewhere with a speed of over
20 BILLION bits/sec can monitor millions of people simultaneously. In
fact, the whole world population can be totally controlled by these
secret brain-computer interactions, however unbelievable it sounds for
the uninformed.

Human thought has a speed of 5,000 bits/sec and everyone understands
that our brain cannot compete with supercomputers acting via satellites,
implants, local facilities, scalar orother forms of biotelemetry.

Each brain has a unique set of bioelectric resonance/entrainment
characteristics. Remote neural monitoring systems with supercomputers
can send messages through an implanted person's nervous system and
affect their performance in any way desired. They can of course be
tracked and identified anywhere.

Neuro-electromagnetic involuntary human experimentation has been going
on with the so-called "vulnerable population" for about 50 years, in the
name of "science" or "national security" in the worst Nazi-type testing,
contrary to all human rights. Physical and psychological torture of
mind control victims today is like the worst horror movies. Only, unlike
the horror movies, it is true.

It happens today in the USA, Japan, and Europe. With few exceptions,
the mass media suppresses all information about the entire topic.

Mind control technology in the USA is classified under "non-lethal"
weaponry. The name is totally misleading because the technology used
IS lethal, but death comes slowly in the form of "normal" illnesses,
like cancer, leukemia, heart attacks, Alzheimer's disease with loss of
short term memory first. No wonder these illnesses have increased all
over the world.

When the use of electromagnetic fields, extra-low (ELF) and ultra-low
(ULF) frequencies and microwaves aimed deliberately at certain indiv-
iduals, groups, and even the general population to cause diseases,
disorientation, chaos and physical and emotional pain breaks into the
awareness of the general population, a public outcry is inevitable.

[Eleanor White comment: ELF/ULF frequencies on their own cannot
be focussed and are practically impossible to transmit in the usual
manner of radio transmissions. ELF/ULF cannot carry voice.

ELF/ULF CAN be carried on radio and ultrasound carrier signals, however,
and are effective in things like setting up a target to be more receptive
to hypnosis, force a target to be unable to sleep, and force a target
to fall asleep daytime. This is like the reverse process of reading
the brain's natural ELF/ULF electrical activity using biofeedback.]

Who is behind a sinister plan to microchip and control and torture the
general population?

[Eleanor White's comment: Reports from persons targetted by neuro-
electromagnetic experimentation show that not everyone is implanted.
The fact that those few victims who have had implants removed cannot
get custody of the implants means someone has a keen interest in
controlling the use of covert implants and preventing the publication
of this practice.]

The Patent Office of the U.S.A. has granted patents for purposes of
mental monitoring and mind alteration.

Apparatus and method for remotely monitoring and altering brainwaves,
methods for inducing mental, emotional and physical states of conscious-
ness, in human beings. Method of and apparatus for desired states of
consciousness are among some of them.

People who have been implanted, involuntarily or through deception vol-
untarily have become bilogical robots and guinea pigs for this activity
under the guise of national security.

The real consequences of microchip implantation (or with today's advanced
hidden technology, using only microwave radiation for mind control,) are
totally hidden from the public. How many know the real dangers of mic-
rowaves through mobile phones?

How many believe the disinformation that microwave radiation is not
causing health problems? The economic issues in the mobile phone industry
are enormous. Therefore health issues are deliberately brushed aside.

However, the same thing is inevitable in the future as with the tobacco
industry. When economic compensation for health damages becomes big
enough, as in the tobacco industry, health hazards will be admitted and
users are then responsible for their tobacco-related illnesses.

Today, already about 50% of Finns, Swedes and Norwegians use mobile
phones, especially the young population.

Mobile phones used in mind control was a brilliant idea. Military and
police agencies can follow every user, influence their thoughts through
microwaves, cause healthy people to hear voices in their heads and if
needed burn their brains in a second by increasing the current
20,000 times.

That probably happened to Chechnyan leader General Dudayev who died
talking to a mobile phone.

Heating effect of tissues with the speed of light is a known effect of
high power microwave and electromagnetic pulse weapons.

According to Navy studies they also cause fatigue states, depression,
insomnia, aggressiveness, long and especially short term memory loss,
short catatonic states, cataracts, leukemia, cancer, heart attacks,
brain tumors and so forth.

Alteration of behavior and attitudes hs been demonstrated as well.

Dr. Ross Adey has found out that by using 0.75 milliwatts per square
centimeter intensity of pulse modulated microwave at a frequency of
450 MHz it is possible to control ALL aspects of human behaviour!

Microwave radiation excites the hydrogen bond in the cells and can
interfere with meiosis, which leads to tumors.

All our emotions, moods, and thoughts have a specific brain frequency
which has been catalogued. If these records fall into the wrong hands,
our behaviour and attitudes can be manipulated by persons whose ethics
and morals are not in our best interest.

Both military and intelligence agencies have been infiltrated with such
persons. The Director of the Swiss Secret Service had to resign in
September 1999 because of his agency's involvement in illegal arms
deals and a plan to create an ORGANIZATION within the legal Secret
Service.

This globally infiltrated organization has "octopus type" activities
in all major intelligence services in the world, working together with
the Mafia and terrorists. It has recruited people from all important
government institutions, state and local administrations.

It owns Star Wars technology which is used against military and civilian
populations, claiming it is "non-lethal" weaponry.

"Down and out" people, jobless, freed prisoners, mental outpatients,
students and orphans are trained by this organization to harass, follow,
and torture innocent people, who for whatever reason have been put on
the organization's hit list. They are ALREADY in every apartment block!

[Eleanor White comment: This gang-like colour-coding is not reported
in all areas. Dr. Kilde's experience is with northern Europe.]

Deception is the name of the game, so recruits are told untrue sinister
stories of their victims to keep them motivated. They have a military
order and get rewarded for their evil actions, which include Satanism,
and symbols and yellow-orange-black colors. However, fresh recruits must
wear pink - and the highest elite wears yellow ties with dark suits.

Even dashes of yellow or orange in their ties may signal their recruitment
as well as yellow shirts or other objects with that color for signalling.

Too many world leaders fit into this signalling. However, it is quite
possible they are only used as fronts for this global organization without
any knowledge of it's criminal activity in the field against innocent
people. Mass media and big industry are also infiltrated.

Who are the targets? Experimentation with soldiers and prisoners may
continue, as well as handicapped children, mental patients, homosexuals and
single women. They are still experimental guinea pigs for electronic and
chemical warfare. But today ANYONE can become a target, even those who
invented the system.

Researchers who find out about this secret radiation of the population
become targets themselves.

The U.S. Senate discussed the issue on January 22, 1997. The U.S. Air
Force's "Commando Solo" aircraft have been used to send subliminal radio
frequency messages to manipulate even the minds of foreign nations in
their elections. Haiti and Bosnia are a couple of recent examples.

In July 1994 the U.S. Department of Defense proposed the use of "non-
lethal" weapons against anyone engaged in activities the DoD opposes. Thus
opposing political views, economic competitors, counterculture individuals
and so forth can be beamed to sickness or death.

The Psychiatric Diagnostic Statistical Manual (DSM) for mental disorders
has been a brilliant cover up operation in 18 languages to hide the
atrocities of military and intelligence agencies' actions towards their
targets. THE MANUAL LISTS ALL MIND CONTROL ACTIONS AS SIGNS OF PARANOID
SCHIZOPHRENIA.

If a target is under surveillance with modern technology via TV, radio,
telephone, loudspeakers, lasers, microwaves, poisoned with mind altering
drugs via airducts, giving familiar smells which cause headache, nausea
and so forth, if he claims his clothes are poisoned, his food or tap water
as well --- all medical schools teach their students that the person is
paranoid, ESPECIALLY if he believes intelligence agencies are behind it
all.

Never is the medical profession told that these are routine ations all over
the world by intelligence agencies against their targets. Thus, victims of
mind control are falsely considered mentally ill and get no help since they
are not believed and their suffering is doubled by ignorant health profess-
ionals.

The unethical abuses of power by individuals in charge of biomedical
telemetry are incomprehensible to normal people.

The goal of mind control is to program an individual to carry out any
mission of espionage or assassination even against their will and self-
preservation instict and to control the absolute behavior and thought
patterns of the individual. The purpose of mind control is to disrupt
memory, discredit people through aberrant behavior, to make them insane
or to commit suicide or murder.

How is it possible that this technology is not stopped by political top
authorities? They themselves will also be targets someday, a fact they
have not always realized. How much are they involved?

This year the 1999 European Parliament in "Resolution on Environment,
Security, and Forein Policy", in paragraphs 23, 24, and 27 calls for
"non-lethal" weapons technology and development of new arms strategies
to be covered and regulated by international conventions.

Also, it calls for an international convention introducing a GLOBAL BAN on
all developments and deployments of weapons which might enable ANY FORM OF
MANIPULATION OF HUMAN BEINGS.

Project HAARP in Alaska is a global concern, and calls for it's legal,
ecological, and ethical implications to be examined by an international
independent body before any further research and testing.

It is possible that the USA will ignore those resolutions. The dangers of
non-lethal mind control weapons were already revealed in an expert meeting
of the International Committee of the Red Cross in Geneva, in July 1994.

Only increased public awareness of the microchip implants, their frightful
consequences to privacy by influencing of individuals' thoughts and
actions, causing people to become biological robots with physical and
emotional pain whenever the supercomputer technician so wishes, is enough
reason to refuse to take the chip into your body for whatever reason.

It is the biggest threat to humanity and the most sinister plan to enslave
the human race forever.

If you have a choice and want to remain a normal human being with privacy,
do not have your children nor yourself implanted with a DNA microchip.
Otherwise your vision, hearing, sensing, thoughts, dreams and subconscious
will be influenced by an outsider, who does not have your best interests
in mind.

MICROWAVE MIND CONTROL WITH "NON-LETHAL" WEAPONS IS THE BIGGEST CRIME IN
THE HISTORY OF MANKIND AGAINST THE POPULATION OF PLANET EARTH. IT MUST BE
STOPPED BY ALL PEOPLES OF THIS GLOBE.

Rauni Kilde MD

Recommended reading:

Mind Controllers, Dr. Armen Victorian, 1999, UK

Mind Control, World Control, Jim Keith, 1997, USA

Microwave Mind Control, Tim Rifat, The Truth Campaign,
winter 1998, UK

Dr. Flonkenstein

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May 6, 2004, 3:37:03 PM5/6/04
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Being tired of lurking, on Thu, 06 May 2004 19:03:19 +0000, * posted:

> On 6 May 2004 18:41:41 GMT, "Dr. Flonkenstein"
> <gregoriy_rasp...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Being tired of lurking, on Thu, 06 May 2004 18:10:32 +0000, * posted:
>>
>>> On 6 May 2004 18:01:50 GMT, "Dr. Flonkenstein"
>>> <gregoriy_rasp...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Being tired of lurking, on Thu, 06 May 2004 17:55:44 +0000, * posted:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6 May 2004 17:43:42 GMT, "Dr. Flonkenstein"
>>>>> <gregoriy_rasp...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>This "thermodynamical" spin is added to the photon using
>>>>>>graviquantummechanical antimatter that is obtained using advanced
>>>>>>reverse gravitational electromechanical interaction.
>>>>>
>>>>> You deserve a Pulitzer for your techno babble. Great stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the giggle!
>>>>
>>>>Do you always giggle when you fail to understand something
>>>>scientifical?
>>>
>>> Science is about demystifying the unknown.
>>>
>>> What's ashame is that with your literary talents, you're not helping
>>> children to learn to read and write and to understand.
>>
>>Who told you I should be interested in helping children to learn to read,
>>write and understand?
>
> That's was taught to us as children, that we should help ourselves by
> helping others to understand -- to support the society we live in.
>

So why didn't you help yourself by perusing
the links I posted?

> Being paid to post bullshit for nefarious purposes on Usenet, when you
> obviously have literary talents, is not supporting your society.
>

Don't tell me you're being paid for the pseudo-scientifical nonsense you
brabble.

> You don't live on an island by yourself.
>

No, but I'm notexactly surrounded by crackposts like you.

>>> Instead you're
>>> bullshitting lesser minds, who might believe you.
>>>
>>Until now, nobody has been complaining about that.
>
> You're promoting dark aged thinking, going backwards. Instead of
> clarifying things, you're mystifying them with bullshit.
>
>>I'm not the one that is posting long boring articles written by people
>>who obviously love to handle scientific terms they don't understand
>>themselves.
>
> What's so difficult about understanding that scalar weapon exist, and
> they're being used? And what's difficult to understand that those scalar
> weapons are devastating to human health?
>

Being the invention of people whose deflated ego makes them compulsively
believing in hoaxes, and making a lot of fuss about it isn't exactly that
incomprehensible either.

>>What *is* a "scalar" electromagnetic wave,
>
> Why are you resorting to logical fallacies and changing the subject in an
> attempt to attack the messenger?
>

I joist point out that the messenger is a drunken travestite who doesn't
know what he's talking about.


>>Alexa?
>
> Why do you have an ax to grind with Alexa? Is there some reason you hate
> her that much you have to resort to attacking her at ever turn?
>

No, I've seen the story on Google and I found it quite hilarious!
Lot's of people will have fun knowing you.

> Would it have something to do with the extraterrestrial saucer at Groom
> Lake and what goes on at Groom Lake, and other so-called government
> facilities which develop and use scalar weapons against the US public?
>

Scalar.. WWWhhhhHHAhhHHAAHahahahahahAAAA

[proverbial slap on the forehead with the palm of the hand]

> <snip>

Dr. Flonkenstein

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May 6, 2004, 3:43:32 PM5/6/04
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Being tired of lurking, on Thu, 06 May 2004 19:13:05 +0000, * posted:

> On Thu, 06 May 2004 19:03:19 GMT, * <nos...@plz.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>>Alexa?
>>
>>Why do you have an ax to grind with Alexa? Is there some reason you hate
>>her that much you have to resort to attacking her at ever turn?
>>
>>Would it have something to do with the extraterrestrial saucer at Groom
>>Lake and what goes on at Groom Lake, and other so-called government
>>facilities which develop and use scalar weapons against the US public?
>>
>><snip>
>
> Addendum:
>
> Scalar technology is causing human extinction.
>
> Here's what our paid Usenet posters don't want people to realize what
> scalar technology is primarily used for:
>

That does not explain what scalar electromagnetic waves really are?

Admission of ignorance noted.

*

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May 6, 2004, 3:52:34 PM5/6/04
to
On 6 May 2004 19:37:03 GMT, "Dr. Flonkenstein"
<gregoriy_rasp...@hotmail.com> wrote:

How would you know I didn't, eh? Sending cookies?


>
>> Being paid to post bullshit for nefarious purposes on Usenet, when you
>> obviously have literary talents, is not supporting your society.
>>
>Don't tell me you're being paid

Of course I'm not being paid, I have morals and a conscience.

>for the pseudo-scientifical nonsense you brabble.

Pseudo-science is the science of making people believe something
which fits their agenda for profit.

>> You don't live on an island by yourself.
>>

>No, but I'm not exactly surrounded by crackposts like you.

Crackposts? You're surrounded by people who are highly motivated to make
profits, at the expense of human life. I'd say that's not only stupid, but
not very self-serving in the long run.

So why your death wish? You hate life so that much that you've resorted to
making yourself a fool for the profit mongers who can only make a profit by
bullshitting, conning and mind controlling others.

<snip>

>> What's so difficult about understanding that scalar weapon exist, and
>> they're being used? And what's difficult to understand that those scalar
>> weapons are devastating to human health?
>>
>Being the invention of people whose deflated ego makes them compulsively
>believing in hoaxes, and making a lot of fuss about it isn't exactly that
>incomprehensible either.

You don't value human life on earth much, do you.

What makes you think that devaluing human life is an honorable profession?

And what makes you think that if you don't respect yourself and human life
that you'd be welcomed in space by the other sentient beings who live there?

If you don't value your own life and that of others, then you wouldn't value
an extraterrestrial species.


>
>>>What *is* a "scalar" electromagnetic wave,
>>
>> Why are you resorting to logical fallacies and changing the subject in an
>> attempt to attack the messenger?
>>
>I joist point out that the messenger is a drunken travestite who doesn't
>know what he's talking about.
>
>
>>>Alexa?
>>
>> Why do you have an ax to grind with Alexa? Is there some reason you hate

>> her that much you have to resort to attacking her at every turn?


>>
>No, I've seen the story on Google and I found it quite hilarious!
>Lot's of people will have fun knowing you.

Well I'm not interested in attacking people for money.


>
>> Would it have something to do with the extraterrestrial saucer at Groom
>> Lake and what goes on at Groom Lake, and other so-called government
>> facilities which develop and use scalar weapons against the US public?
>>
>Scalar.. WWWhhhhHHAhhHHAAHahahahahahAAAA
>
>[proverbial slap on the forehead with the palm of the hand]
>
>> <snip>

It all back fired on you didn't it?

What did you expect -- that extraterrestrials were stupid?

How arrogant.

You can politely SHOVE your tinker toy scalar weapons, k?

ROFL

*

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May 6, 2004, 3:58:02 PM5/6/04
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On 6 May 2004 19:43:32 GMT, "Dr. Flonkenstein"
<gregoriy_rasp...@hotmail.com> wrote:

[...]

>That does not explain what scalar electromagnetic waves really are?

Yeah it pretty much does. They're artificial 'brain' waves.

>Admission of ignorance noted.

Dumb ass.

*

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May 6, 2004, 4:08:53 PM5/6/04
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On 6 May 2004 19:43:32 GMT, "Dr. Flonkenstein"
<gregoriy_rasp...@hotmail.com> wrote:

[...]

>That does not explain what scalar electromagnetic waves really are?

Yeah it pretty much does. They're artificial 'brain' waves.

>Admission of ignorance noted.

Dumb ass.

Now you know why the government doesn't want people to discover the power of
their minds (PSI) , they'd be leveling Bechtel Nevada as we speak -- and
Fort Meade, just like Bechtel Nevada leveled the World Trade Towers.

Dr. Flonkenstein

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May 6, 2004, 4:10:05 PM5/6/04
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Being tired of lurking, on Thu, 06 May 2004 19:52:34 +0000, * posted:

Because your ignorance about physics and electromagnetism has remained a
constant.

>>
>>> Being paid to post bullshit for nefarious purposes on Usenet, when you
>>> obviously have literary talents, is not supporting your society.
>>>
>>Don't tell me you're being paid
>
> Of course I'm not being paid, I have morals and a conscience.
>

How do you make your living then, stealing?

>>for the pseudo-scientifical nonsense you brabble.
>
> Pseudo-science is the science of making people believe something which
> fits their agenda for profit.
>

No, some looneys do it because they have illusions of grandeur.

>>> You don't live on an island by yourself.
>>>
>>No, but I'm not exactly surrounded by crackposts like you.
>
> Crackposts? You're surrounded by people who are highly motivated to make
> profits, at the expense of human life. I'd say that's not only stupid,
> but not very self-serving in the long run.
>
> So why your death wish? You hate life so that much that you've resorted
> to making yourself a fool for the profit mongers who can only make a
> profit by bullshitting, conning and mind controlling others.
>
> <snip>
>
>>> What's so difficult about understanding that scalar weapon exist, and
>>> they're being used? And what's difficult to understand that those
>>> scalar weapons are devastating to human health?
>>>
>>Being the invention of people whose deflated ego makes them compulsively
>>believing in hoaxes, and making a lot of fuss about it isn't exactly that
>>incomprehensible either.
>
> You don't value human life on earth much, do you.
>

Pf course I don't, I'm an alien.

> What makes you think that devaluing human life is an honorable profession?
>

Aliens don't need professions.

> And what makes you think that if you don't respect yourself and human life
> that you'd be welcomed in space by the other sentient beings who live
> there?
>

See above, I'm not a human so why should I care about humans?

> If you don't value your own life and that of others, then you wouldn't
> value an extraterrestrial species.
>>

Hehehe, if you only knew.

>>>>What *is* a "scalar" electromagnetic wave,
>>>
>>> Why are you resorting to logical fallacies and changing the subject in
>>> an attempt to attack the messenger?
>>>
>>I joist point out that the messenger is a drunken travestite who doesn't
>>know what he's talking about.
>>
>>
>>>>Alexa?
>>>
>>> Why do you have an ax to grind with Alexa? Is there some reason you
>>> hate her that much you have to resort to attacking her at every turn?
>>>
>>No, I've seen the story on Google and I found it quite hilarious! Lot's
>>of people will have fun knowing you.
>
> Well I'm not interested in attacking people for money.
>>

You do it just for fun then?

>>> Would it have something to do with the extraterrestrial saucer at Groom
>>> Lake and what goes on at Groom Lake, and other so-called government
>>> facilities which develop and use scalar weapons against the US public?
>>>
>>Scalar.. WWWhhhhHHAhhHHAAHahahahahahAAAA
>>
>>[proverbial slap on the forehead with the palm of the hand]
>>
>>> <snip>
>
> It all back fired on you didn't it?
>

I will say that to the commander of my ship.

> What did you expect -- that extraterrestrials were stupid?
>

[Ironymeter jumps into the red]

> How arrogant.
>
You really know nothing about extraterrestrials, do you?

> You can politely SHOVE your tinker toy scalar weapons, k?
>

May the Coriolis forces be with you!

> ROFL

Sure :-))))

Dr. Flonkenstein

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May 6, 2004, 4:12:58 PM5/6/04
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Being tired of lurking, on Thu, 06 May 2004 19:58:02 +0000, * posted:

> On 6 May 2004 19:43:32 GMT, "Dr. Flonkenstein"
> <gregoriy_rasp...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>That does not explain what scalar electromagnetic waves really are?
>
> Yeah it pretty much does. They're artificial 'brain' waves.

In what field are they oscillating?

Do you really understand the word "scalar", I seriously doubt that.

>
>>Admission of ignorance noted.
>
> Dumb ass.

Name calling due to lack of arguments noted.

Dr. Flonkenstein

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May 6, 2004, 4:16:58 PM5/6/04
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Being tired of lurking, on Thu, 06 May 2004 20:08:53 +0000, * posted:

just like Popeye leveled the Bridge Over The River Kwai.

*

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May 6, 2004, 4:23:44 PM5/6/04
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On 6 May 2004 20:10:05 GMT, "Dr. Flonkenstein"
<gregoriy_rasp...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[...]

>>>So why didn't you help yourself by perusing the links I posted?
>>
>> How would you know I didn't, eh?
>
>Because your ignorance about physics and electromagnetism has remained a
>constant.

Evasion noted. Answer the question: How do you know I whether or not I
read the URLs you posted?

>>>> Being paid to post bullshit for nefarious purposes on Usenet, when you
>>>> obviously have literary talents, is not supporting your society.
>>>>
>>>Don't tell me you're being paid
>>
>> Of course I'm not being paid, I have morals and a conscience.
>>
>How do you make your living then, stealing?

I make it honorably, without deception, unlike yourself.

>>>for the pseudo-scientifical nonsense you brabble.
>>
>> Pseudo-science is the science of making people believe something which
>> fits their agenda for profit.
>>
>No, some looneys do it because they have illusions of grandeur.

You have delusions of grandeur, who'da guessed it. So does Bechtel Nevada.
>
[snip}

>> You don't value human life on earth much, do you.
>>
>Pf course I don't, I'm an alien.

No you're a human being, and it's becoming requisite for human beings not to
value human life -- or they won't be able to profit financially.

Aliens have no use for money -- they don't need it or want it. Aliens have
respect for life, and freedom of choice.

>
>> What makes you think that devaluing human life is an honorable profession?
>>
>Aliens don't need professions.

You're not an alien so how would you know? Everything has a purpose, it
either supports life or it doesn't.

Your paid presence here is counterproductive to the continuance of life on
this planet.

>> And what makes you think that if you don't respect yourself and human life
>> that you'd be welcomed in space by the other sentient beings who live
>> there?
>>
>See above, I'm not a human so why should I care about humans?

But you ARE a human. Aliens communicate via PSI, not Usenet.


>
>> If you don't value your own life and that of others, then you wouldn't
>> value an extraterrestrial species.
>>>
>Hehehe, if you only knew.

I do know, that's your problem.

>>>>>What *is* a "scalar" electromagnetic wave,
>>>>
>>>> Why are you resorting to logical fallacies and changing the subject in
>>>> an attempt to attack the messenger?
>>>>
>>>I joist point out that the messenger is a drunken travestite who doesn't
>>>know what he's talking about.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Alexa?
>>>>
>>>> Why do you have an ax to grind with Alexa? Is there some reason you
>>>> hate her that much you have to resort to attacking her at every turn?
>>>>
>>>No, I've seen the story on Google and I found it quite hilarious! Lot's
>>>of people will have fun knowing you.
>>
>> Well I'm not interested in attacking people for money.
>>>
>You do it just for fun then?

Attacking people is fun for sociopaths who hate society.


>
>>>> Would it have something to do with the extraterrestrial saucer at Groom
>>>> Lake and what goes on at Groom Lake, and other so-called government
>>>> facilities which develop and use scalar weapons against the US public?
>>>>
>>>Scalar.. WWWhhhhHHAhhHHAAHahahahahahAAAA
>>>
>>>[proverbial slap on the forehead with the palm of the hand]
>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>
>> It all back fired on you didn't it?
>>
>I will say that to the commander of my ship.
>
>> What did you expect -- that extraterrestrials were stupid?
>>
>[Ironymeter jumps into the red]

You mean red alert. Answer the question: Do you think aliens are as stupid
as you?


>
>> How arrogant.
>>
>You really know nothing about extraterrestrials, do you?

You don't know much about acting like a civil human being, so how could you
pretend to know extraterrestrials?

>> You can politely SHOVE your tinker toy scalar weapons, k?
>>
>May the Coriolis forces be with you!

Your technology doesn't work on everyone, does it?

Figured out why?

>> ROFL
>
>Sure :-))))

Laugh while you can, it's only a delusion, monkey boy.

*

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May 6, 2004, 4:25:46 PM5/6/04
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On 6 May 2004 20:16:58 GMT, "Dr. Flonkenstein"
<gregoriy_rasp...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Being tired of lurking, on Thu, 06 May 2004 20:08:53 +0000, * posted:
>
>> On 6 May 2004 19:43:32 GMT, "Dr. Flonkenstein"
>> <gregoriy_rasp...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>That does not explain what scalar electromagnetic waves really are?
>>
>> Yeah it pretty much does. They're artificial 'brain' waves.
>>
>>>Admission of ignorance noted.
>>
>> Dumb ass.
>>
>> Now you know why the government doesn't want people to discover the power
>> of their minds (PSI) , they'd be leveling Bechtel Nevada as we speak --
>> and Fort Meade,
>>just like Bechtel Nevada leveled the World Trade Towers.


>just like Popeye leveled the Bridge Over The River Kwai.

That was fiction, leveling the World Trade Towers wasn't.

So Mr. Genius, tell the world how you're using the power of your mind to
peacefuly co-exist in the Universe with your extraterrestrial neighbors by
using mind control on the world?

Carl R. Osterwald

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May 6, 2004, 4:37:25 PM5/6/04
to
In article <e15l90pmdj69tqf5m...@4ax.com>, *
<nos...@plz.com> wrote:

> On 6 May 2004 19:37:03 GMT, "Dr. Flonkenstein"
> <gregoriy_rasp...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Being tired of lurking, on Thu, 06 May 2004 19:03:19 +0000, * posted:

> >> Would it have something to do with the extraterrestrial saucer at Groom


> >> Lake and what goes on at Groom Lake, and other so-called government
> >> facilities which develop and use scalar weapons against the US public?
> >>
> >Scalar.. WWWhhhhHHAhhHHAAHahahahahahAAAA
> >
> >[proverbial slap on the forehead with the palm of the hand]
> >
> >> <snip>
>
> It all back fired on you didn't it?
>
> What did you expect -- that extraterrestrials were stupid?
>
> How arrogant.
>
> You can politely SHOVE your tinker toy scalar weapons, k?

Nice meltdown.

See if you can run away from this question again:

What is the meaning of the term "scalar"?

Bookman

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May 6, 2004, 4:40:59 PM5/6/04
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"Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)" <vgor...@pobox.alaska.net> wrote in message
news:9sfj905j1p4eokf8u...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 06 May 2004 04:04:07 GMT, * <nos...@plz.com> wrote in
> alt.fan.art-bell in message
> <s4ej90528q0jkdqrv...@4ax.com>:
>
> >>What is the frequency and amplitude of this alleged EMR beamed from
> >>alleged "NSA/NASA remote sensing satellites"?
> >
> >Enough to melt steel.
> >>
> >>Why does does this alleged EMR beamed from satellites able to penetrate
> >>the atmosphere yet "natural EMR" is not?
> >
> >Because it is in our ionosphere.
> >
> >>Where do these alleged "NSA/NASA remote sensing satellites" get enough
> >>power to beam this alleged EMR?
> >
> >HAARP.
>
> Madre de Dios! It's a k00k Trifecta!

Ang-stom me-dal here she comes,
shows the world that she is dumb

ESL!

--
Bookman -The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in AFA-B
Kazoo Konspirator #668 (The Neighbor of the Beast)
We're not laughing _with_ bRay!
Clue-Bat Wrangler
Namer of the 10-gallon Creel
Keeper of the Nickname List
Despotic Kookologist of the New World Order


*

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May 6, 2004, 4:42:46 PM5/6/04
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On Thu, 06 May 2004 14:37:25 -0600, "Carl R. Osterwald" <i...@mac.com> wrote:

[...]

What are you doing back in alt.alien.visitors again? I thought you kooks
only red alt.alien.visitors so you could cross post to alt.usenet.kooks!

>Nice meltdown.

Would you like cheese with that whine?

>See if you can run away from this question again:

Run away from this one:

Why can't you read?


>
>What is the meaning of the term "scalar"?

Done.

*

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May 6, 2004, 4:44:40 PM5/6/04
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On 6 May 2004 20:12:58 GMT, "Dr. Flonkenstein"
<gregoriy_rasp...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Being tired of lurking, on Thu, 06 May 2004 19:58:02 +0000, * posted:
>
>> On 6 May 2004 19:43:32 GMT, "Dr. Flonkenstein"
>> <gregoriy_rasp...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>That does not explain what scalar electromagnetic waves really are?
>>
>> Yeah it pretty much does. They're artificial 'brain' waves.
>
>In what field are they oscillating?

Variable depending on the intended use.


>
>Do you really understand the word "scalar", I seriously doubt that.

Artificial brain waves.



>>>Admission of ignorance noted.
>>
>> Dumb ass.
>
>Name calling due to lack of arguments noted.

It still doesn't make you any less of dumb ass.

Why don't you kooks stay in alt.usenet.kooks where you belong?

*

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May 6, 2004, 4:46:30 PM5/6/04
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On Thu, 6 May 2004 15:40:59 -0500, "Bookman" <thebo...@kc.rr.comNULL>
wrote:

[...]

>> >>Where do these alleged "NSA/NASA remote sensing satellites" get enough
>> >>power to beam this alleged EMR?
>> >
>> >HAARP.
>>
>> Madre de Dios! It's a k00k Trifecta!
>
>Ang-stom me-dal here she comes,
>shows the world that she is dumb

Not nearly as dumb as you'd like to believe.
>
>ESL!

Dr. Flonkenstein

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May 6, 2004, 4:50:20 PM5/6/04
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Being tired of lurking, on Thu, 06 May 2004 20:23:44 +0000, * posted:

> On 6 May 2004 20:10:05 GMT, "Dr. Flonkenstein"
> <gregoriy_rasp...@hotmail.com> wrote: [...]
>
>>>>So why didn't you help yourself by perusing the links I posted?
>>>
>>> How would you know I didn't, eh?
>>
>>Because your ignorance about physics and electromagnetism has remained a
>>constant.
>
> Evasion noted. Answer the question: How do you know I whether or not I
> read the URLs you posted?
>
>>>>> Being paid to post bullshit for nefarious purposes on Usenet, when
>>>>> you obviously have literary talents, is not supporting your society.
>>>>>
>>>>Don't tell me you're being paid
>>>
>>> Of course I'm not being paid, I have morals and a conscience.
>>>
>>How do you make your living then, stealing?
>
> I make it honorably, without deception, unlike yourself.
>
>>>>for the pseudo-scientifical nonsense you brabble.
>>>
>>> Pseudo-science is the science of making people believe something which
>>> fits their agenda for profit.
>>>
>>No, some looneys do it because they have illusions of grandeur.
>
> You have delusions of grandeur, who'da guessed it. So does Bechtel
> Nevada.
>>

Alexa discovers the IKYABWAI, hilarious!

> [snip}
>
>>> You don't value human life on earth much, do you.
>>>
>>Pf course I don't, I'm an alien.
>
> No you're a human being,

You know nothing of the sort!

> and it's becoming requisite for human beings not
> to value human life -- or they won't be able to profit financially.
>
> Aliens have no use for money -- they don't need it or want it. Aliens
> have respect for life, and freedom of choice.
>

Yes, and they laugh at k00ks too :-)))


>
>>> What makes you think that devaluing human life is an honorable
>>> profession?
>>>
>>Aliens don't need professions.
>
> You're not an alien so how would you know? Everything has a purpose, it
> either supports life or it doesn't.
>

Tell that to my ship commander!

> Your paid presence here is counterproductive to the continuance of life on
> this planet.
>

Your unpaid presence here is produtive to the entertainment of life on
Usenet.

>>> And what makes you think that if you don't respect yourself and human
>>> life that you'd be welcomed in space by the other sentient beings who
>>> live there?
>>>
>>See above, I'm not a human so why should I care about humans?
>
> But you ARE a human. Aliens communicate via PSI, not Usenet.
>>

No I'm not, and I knew via ISP that you didn't peruse the scientific
links I posted you.

>>> If you don't value your own life and that of others, then you wouldn't
>>> value an extraterrestrial species.
>>>>
>>Hehehe, if you only knew.
>
> I do know, that's your problem.
>

Extraterrestrals have no problems.

>>>>>>What *is* a "scalar" electromagnetic wave,
>>>>>
>>>>> Why are you resorting to logical fallacies and changing the subject
>>>>> in an attempt to attack the messenger?
>>>>>
>>>>I joist point out that the messenger is a drunken travestite who
>>>>doesn't know what he's talking about.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Alexa?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do you have an ax to grind with Alexa? Is there some reason you
>>>>> hate her that much you have to resort to attacking her at every turn?
>>>>>
>>>>No, I've seen the story on Google and I found it quite hilarious! Lot's
>>>>of people will have fun knowing you.
>>>
>>> Well I'm not interested in attacking people for money.
>>>>
>>You do it just for fun then?
>
> Attacking people is fun for sociopaths who hate society.
>>

So, pointing out that a raving k00ky marroon is entangeled in his own
delusional assumptions is "attacking people" now.

>>>>> Would it have something to do with the extraterrestrial saucer at
>>>>> Groom Lake and what goes on at Groom Lake, and other so-called
>>>>> government facilities which develop and use scalar weapons against
>>>>> the US public?
>>>>>
>>>>Scalar.. WWWhhhhHHAhhHHAAHahahahahahAAAA
>>>>
>>>>[proverbial slap on the forehead with the palm of the hand]
>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> It all back fired on you didn't it?
>>>
>>I will say that to the commander of my ship.
>>
>>> What did you expect -- that extraterrestrials were stupid?
>>>
>>[Ironymeter jumps into the red]
>
> You mean red alert. Answer the question: Do you think aliens are as
> stupid as you?

I teach them mathemathics.

>>
>>> How arrogant.
>>>
>>You really know nothing about extraterrestrials, do you?
>
> You don't know much about acting like a civil human being, so how could
> you pretend to know extraterrestrials?
>

Hmm, that is a rather contradictory statement:
1. Extraterrestrial can't act like civil human being.
2. So Extraterrestrial can't pretend to know extraterrestrials.

Are you sure you put that tinfoil had how you should put it?

>>> You can politely SHOVE your tinker toy scalar weapons, k?
>>>
>>May the Coriolis forces be with you!
>
> Your technology doesn't work on everyone, does it?
>

Most k00ks come back for more!

> Figured out why?
>
I'm not allowed to practice medicine on Usenet, sorry!


>>> ROFL
>>
>>Sure :-))))
>
> Laugh while you can, it's only a delusion, monkey boy.

Seems you have a lot of them to share with society. You can't say you're
counterprductive to that effect.

Dr. Flonkenstein

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May 6, 2004, 4:55:03 PM5/6/04
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Being tired of lurking, on Thu, 06 May 2004 20:25:46 +0000, * posted:

> On 6 May 2004 20:16:58 GMT, "Dr. Flonkenstein"
> <gregoriy_rasp...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Being tired of lurking, on Thu, 06 May 2004 20:08:53 +0000, * posted:
>>
>>> On 6 May 2004 19:43:32 GMT, "Dr. Flonkenstein"
>>> <gregoriy_rasp...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>That does not explain what scalar electromagnetic waves really are?
>>>
>>> Yeah it pretty much does. They're artificial 'brain' waves.
>>>
>>>>Admission of ignorance noted.
>>>
>>> Dumb ass.
>>>
>>> Now you know why the government doesn't want people to discover the
>>> power of their minds (PSI) , they'd be leveling Bechtel Nevada as we
>>> speak -- and Fort Meade,
>>>just like Bechtel Nevada leveled the World Trade Towers.
>
>
>>just like Popeye leveled the Bridge Over The River Kwai.
>
> That was fiction, leveling the World Trade Towers wasn't.

Oh yes it was, it's been filmed at a Holywood studio. Good special
effects, I must admit.

>
> So Mr. Genius, tell the world how you're using the power of your mind to
> peacefuly co-exist in the Universe with your extraterrestrial neighbors
> by using mind control on the world?

We only control feeble minds that make fools of themselves on Usenet.

*

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May 6, 2004, 5:00:35 PM5/6/04
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On 6 May 2004 20:50:20 GMT, "Dr. Flonkenstein"
<gregoriy_rasp...@hotmail.com> wrote:

[...]

>> You have delusions of grandeur, who'da guessed it. So does Bechtel
>> Nevada.

>Alexa

To whom are you referring?

>discovers the IKYABWAI, hilarious!

I know for sure you are having delusions of grandeur.

So how much DOES Bechtel Nevada pay you to post to usenet?

[...]

>> Laugh while you can, it's only a delusion, monkey boy.
>
>Seems you have a lot of them to share with society.

Not all human beings are as deluded by money as you are. Some are actually
intelligent.

> You can't say you're counterprductive to that effect.

Where are you going to spend all that money when scalar technology finally
extinguishes the last human being on earth?

Going to Mars? I think not, baby cakes.

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