Climate Change ... a scam
Hagar
to be coming apart at the seams.
Chief idiot Al "I'm hot under the collar" Gore photoshops planet
Earth to meet his wildest fantasies. The cloak is coming off the
lunatics and we begin to see them for what they really are:
Immature, Liberal Bed-wetters.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20091120/bs_ibd_ibd/20091120issues01
This is precious ... just shows how dumb these Liberal fuck-tards
really are. Bwahahahahahhh ...
Andrew W
Global Warming is to some extent a smoke screen by the elites to hide the
real problem that is killing the planet and its eco system.
What's the real problem? Pollution and stripping of natural resources etc.
This vandalism is driven by big business, particularly the oil industry
which wants to continue getting richer and richer.
Global warming fluctuations are part of natural cycles that's true, but we
are actually amplifying the effects of that process by our outpouring of
pollution in various forms.
Big business doesn't want you to know this because quite frankly it will
lose business, and so the circus it has orchestrated is designed to turn
everyone against each other so that they can continue exploiting us and the
planet.
--
If you are a hard skeptic then you haven't researched or questioned
enough. If you believe something too much then you have the same
problem.
Hagar
"Once in a China Blue Moon" <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:chine.bleu-CFB38...@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <5b6dnXNuPcSI25rW...@giganews.com>,
> "Hagar" <hs...@surewest.net> wrote:
>
> How do you cram so much stupid inside one skull?
>
I would expect nothing less than the above brainless reply from a
dyed-in-the-wool Al Gore fanatic.
Isn't it time you guys pulled your heads out of your asses ???
I realize that it upsets your fragile sense of self-importance when true
scientists shatter the warm and fuzzy bullshit that has been implanted into
the space that once housed your feeble brains, but then, you Left-tards
don't ever let scientific fact get in the way of your pipe dreams.
BradGuth
The world should have been getting colder as of thousands of years
ago. What happened?
~ BG
BradGuth
wrote:
Global pollution is matter of fact, as well are accelerated erosion,
but don't exclude the 2e20 N/sec that's interactive with having that
moon hanging around.
~ BG
Nightcrawler
"BradGuth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:34783959-e2d0-4c2a...@g1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
> Global pollution is matter of fact, as well are accelerated erosion,
> but don't exclude the 2e20 N/sec that's interactive with having that
> moon hanging around.
Erosion accelerating? According to what reference in time? The
ice age?
Nightcrawler
"BradGuth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:b167e2d3-77ba-4539...@x25g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> The world should have been getting colder as of thousands of years
> ago. What happened?
Bwahaha, climate change morons.
Should have gotten colder? According to who? It SHOULD be getting
warmer.
As an aside:
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/hadley_hacked#63657
I'll state it again:
There is nothing about climate change that humans can currently control, nor is there
any contribution that is a factor. All talk about climate change is for one purpose.
To make money off of the mere fact of existence. Talk about the embodiment of
a ZioNazi cabal...
vtcapo
>>Indeed, in e-mails, they boast of twisting scientific data to suit their
>>views and to "hide" the truth. At one point, a scientist actually gloats
>>over the death of global warming skeptic John L. Daly, saying, "In an
>>odd way, this is cheering news."
>>If true, this is massive scientific fraud.
Produce the emails. I'll read them........... Otherwise I would have
to look at anything coming from the IBD as suspicious.
RT
BradGuth
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:34783959-e2d0-4c2a...@g1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
> > Global pollution is matter of fact, as well are accelerated erosion,
> > but don't exclude the 2e20 N/sec that's interactive with having that
> > moon hanging around.
>
> Erosion accelerating? According to what reference in time? The
> ice age?
Don't look now, but humans have always caused a great deal of erosion,
not to mention those millions of tonnes per year contributed by the
ongoing thaw from the last ice-age this planet w/moon is ever going to
see.
Mother nature doesn't exactly rain topsoil, and most of the original
guano has been excavated, distributed and washed into the oceans as
is. Even dead diatoms are not allowed to pile up or remain as DE
above sea level.
Hard-rock mining, as well as gold and gemstone hunting isn't exactly
putting that nasty stuff of soil, muck and tailings back were it came
from.
There's millions of acres that can no longer grow a damn thing, while
other millions of acres are holding on only by a thread of what they
used to be.
~ BG
BradGuth
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:b167e2d3-77ba-4539...@x25g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> > The world should have been getting colder as of thousands of years
> > ago. What happened?
>
> Bwahaha, climate change morons.
>
> Should have gotten colder? According to who? It SHOULD be getting
> warmer.
>
> As an aside:
>
>
> I'll state it again:
>
> There is nothing about climate change that humans can currently control, nor is there
> any contribution that is a factor. All talk about climate change is for one purpose.
> To make money off of the mere fact of existence. Talk about the embodiment of
> a ZioNazi cabal...
Perhaps as little as 10% is human contributed, but it's certainly not
more than 25%.
~ BG
Hagar
"vtcapo" <vtc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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RT
**********************************
If you could read, you numbskull, then you would have understood
that a hacker broke into their mainframe and is leaking the e-mails
on the Internet ... one juicy tidbit at a time ... just to make sure
that it sinks in what frauds the Left and their environmental
whackos really are.
vtcapo
Show me one authentic e-mail fuck nut otherwise I'll have to treat it
like you treat UFO's.......Just have one land on my monitor.
RT
RT
Nightcrawler
On Nov 21, 9:27 am, "Nightcrawler" <Dirtyde...@dirtcheap.net> wrote:
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in
> messagenews:34783959-e2d0-4c2a...@g1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
> > Global pollution is matter of fact, as well are accelerated erosion,
> > but don't exclude the 2e20 N/sec that's interactive with having that
> > moon hanging around.
>
> Erosion accelerating? According to what reference in time? The
> ice age?
Don't look now, but humans have always caused a great deal of erosion,
not to mention those millions of tonnes per year contributed by the
ongoing thaw from the last ice-age this planet w/moon is ever going to
see.
****
The melt off happened a long time ago.
****
Mother nature doesn't exactly rain topsoil, and most of the original
guano has been excavated, distributed and washed into the oceans as
is. Even dead diatoms are not allowed to pile up or remain as DE
above sea level.
****
Ever hear of plate techtonics?
****
Hard-rock mining, as well as gold and gemstone hunting isn't exactly
putting that nasty stuff of soil, muck and tailings back were it came
from.
****
A volcanic eruption isn't putting the soil back into the earth either, your
point is meaningless..
****
There's millions of acres that can no longer grow a damn thing, while
other millions of acres are holding on only by a thread of what they
used to be.
****
Yes, this happens on a regular basis. See "Sahara" for example. Yet, there
are many more millions of acres not in use. Regardless, the Great Plains
still produce enough to feed the world, and there are plenty of other regions
on the planet that are not having a problem unless they are in a cyclical drought.
Nightcrawler
Show me one authentic e-mail fuck nut otherwise I'll have to treat it
like you treat UFO's.......Just have one land on my monitor.
****
I posted a link with hundreds of emails. Put the bong down.
vtcapo
Please post again...
RT
Nightcrawler
Please post again...
RT
*********
Download here:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=U44FST89
linked from this page:
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/hadley_hacked
Friggin' dork.
Hagar
~ BG
***********************************
You dipshit ... there is on the average one volcanic eruption a week
somewhere in the world (most are in remote landscapes and don't
usually make the headlines). There are a good number of volcanoes
continuously emitting gasses into the atmosphere. If you total all
those natural emissions, the stuff humans put into the air won't even
be a pin-prick on that scale.
Hagar
Please post again...
RT
*********************************
Why bother ... you can't read, you dildo ... and even if you
could, you're too dumb to process the information.
Liberals never let scientific facts get in their way.
Nightcrawler
"Hagar" <hs...@surewest.net> wrote in message
news:SsudnevCYZxz85TW...@giganews.com...
> You dipshit ... there is on the average one volcanic eruption a week
> somewhere in the world (most are in remote landscapes and don't
> usually make the headlines). There are a good number of volcanoes
> continuously emitting gasses into the atmosphere. If you total all
> those natural emissions, the stuff humans put into the air won't even
> be a pin-prick on that scale.
The latest underwater survey indicates that there are many thousands
of volcanoes. Each unseen, unnoticed, and, of course, unaccounted
for by the dimbulbs that want to be enslaved by "green" tyrants.
The behavior of people today proves the axiom:
"People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything.
Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it's
true,
or because they are afraid it might be true. People's heads are full of knowledge, facts,
and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People are stupid; they
can
only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident
they
can, and so are all the easier to fool."
"People are stupid; they want to believe, so they do."
-Terry Goodkind
BradGuth
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Most everything (70+%) of any consequence happens under water and
otherwise under our thin crust, and it's that pesky 2e20 N/sec of
interactive tidal force for holding onto our Selene/moon that is
responsible for <90% of the global warming trend since the last ice-
age. Until somewhat recently (prior to roughly 12,600 BP) we didn't
have that moon, or nearly as much seasonal tilt. As of the last few
hundred years, the other 10% of global warming and most of the toxic
polluting is clearly human caused, and only getting worse.
Your kosher Republican form of denial and obfuscation is otherwise
noted.
~ BG
BradGuth
Infomercial hype that's Republican and kosher approved, and otherwise
no hard numbers or independently objective science actually reported.
"So the 1079 emails and 72 documents seem indeed evidence of a
scandal"
Sure thing, this we're supposed to accept as the whole truth and
nothing but the truth, as proof positive of no global warming?
Is it too much to ask; exactly where on Earth is all this slow ice
hiding?
~ BG
BradGuth
> "vtcapo" <vtc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8ae51669-b434-4e2a...@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 22, 9:49 am, "Nightcrawler" <Dirtyde...@dirtcheap.net> wrote:
>
> > "vtcapo" <vtc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:2f49ec78-54e7-47dd...@g23g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Show me one authentic e-mail fuck nut otherwise I'll have to treat it
> > like you treat UFO's.......Just have one land on my monitor.
>
> > ****
>
> > I posted a link with hundreds of emails. Put the bong down.
>
> Please post again...
>
> RT
> *********************************
> Why bother ... you can't read, you dildo ... and even if you
> could, you're too dumb to process the information.
> Liberals never let scientific facts get in their way.
You got slow ice? (as hidden in your underpants?)
~ BG
Nightcrawler
Most everything (70+%) of any consequence happens under water and
otherwise under our thin crust, and it's that pesky 2e20 N/sec of
interactive tidal force for holding onto our Selene/moon that is
responsible for <90% of the global warming trend since the last ice-
age. Until somewhat recently (prior to roughly 12,600 BP) we didn't
have that moon, or nearly as much seasonal tilt. As of the last few
hundred years, the other 10% of global warming and most of the toxic
polluting is clearly human caused, and only getting worse.
Your kosher Republican form of denial and obfuscation is otherwise
noted.
*************
Let's see.
Less than 90%? Sort of a wide range there.
Moon is not a recent addition.
Seasonal tilt = Seasons; not caused by moon. Seasons = good.
Volcanic activity caused by internal activity of earth, exist without moon.
Human contribution to global warming = less than 5%.
CO2 levels in atmosphere 60% of pre-human activity. Warming occurred
without concentrations as high as they are now, and cooling occurred with
them much higher than they are, today. CO2 = non factor.
Some volcanic activity directly cools the planet i.e. explosive or ash laden
eruptions.
H.
~ BG
============================================
You definitely are stupid.
H.
BradGuth
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Denial and obfuscation is such a wonderful thing, especially if you're
a kosher Republican with pants on fire and w/o remorse to spare.
Apparently in your kosher Big Energy approved mindset, this ruse of
global warming and global pollution is just something perpetrated by
those pesky Muslims and Democrats.
~ BG
BradGuth
You definitely are kosher and Republican to boot (if that isn't double
stupid, then nothing is)
~ BG
BradGuth
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
CO2 is a heavy element, so taking global measurements up your methane
saturated ass doesn't count.
Obviously your conservative 5% swag of human contribution to GW
doesn't take the all-inclusive collateral damage and multiple
cascading consequences into account, but at least it's a start in the
right direction. Too bad we lost our spendy OCO mission, thanks to
Big Energy and those of your kind invested into such.
~ BG
Nightcrawler
Denial and obfuscation is such a wonderful thing, especially if you're
a kosher Republican with pants on fire and w/o remorse to spare.
*******
If presenting the facts is denial and obfuscation, however you define such in your
empty head, then so be it.
*******
Apparently in your kosher Big Energy approved mindset, this ruse of
global warming and global pollution is just something perpetrated by
those pesky Muslims and Democrats.
*******
Pollution and global warming are mutually exclusive. Global warming is a none issue.
If you want to play green nut, go to a newsgroup that promotes living in caves.
Something you don't seem to evolved from, anyway.
Nightcrawler
CO2 is a heavy element, so taking global measurements up your methane
saturated ass doesn't count.
******
Heavy? Bwahahaha. What a tool. The methane in my ass is 70 times more of a greenhouse
gas than CO2 ever could be. Though, you might need to take a chemistry class to figure
out
why, idiot.
*******
Obviously your conservative 5% swag of human contribution to GW
doesn't take the all-inclusive collateral damage and multiple
cascading consequences into account, but at least it's a start in the
right direction. Too bad we lost our spendy OCO mission, thanks to
Big Energy and those of your kind invested into such.
********
Actually, that was a liberal value. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
vtcapo
> "vtcapo" <vtc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8ae51669-b434-4e2a...@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
> Please post again...
>
> RT
>
> *********
>
> Download here:
>
> http://www.megaupload.com/?d=U44FST89
>
> linked from this page:
>
>
> Friggin' dork.
Nightcrawler, Hagar
If I presented the same so called evidence of a global conspiracy
concerning UFO's, you'd call it baseless and that's what this is.
Hacked hearsay. Or should I say, contrived hearsay.
>A warning, of course. We can only say with a 90 per cent
>confidence interval that these emails are real”.
Until you have the actual goods, or someone in that camp flips….
>This is clearly not the work of some hacker, but of an
>insider who’s now blown the whistle.
it holds no weight.
RT
Hagar
~ BG
****************************
First off, GuthBall, no one really cares what you think, since we
all have your number ... and it is "0".
Secondly, WTF is "slow ice" ?? call it what it really is, namely
a glacier. Tell me again how the Antarctic is melting away, you
hallucinating fuck tard ...
BradGuth
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Your pro Big Energy and kosher approved mindset is noted.
~ BG
BradGuth
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
And here some of us actually thought you silly kosher guys knew a
little something about physics. Now you're saying that methane is a
heavier gas than CO2. No wonder all the rest of us are screwed up, as
we don't seem to have your bipolar education.
~ BG
Notroll2009
float off its foundation and find its way blissfully to the sea, hopefully
with Hagar attached.
Hagar
Nightcrawler, Hagar
it holds no weight.
RT
****************************
RT, I really don't care what you believe ... if you want to join the
loony-tunes, be my guest. All I know is this: the temperature has
decreased by 0.02 degrees since 1999 ... fact.
Volcanoes emit 1000 times more pollutants into the atmosphere
then humans, past, present and future. Our contribution is
insignificant. Our frantic remedies will also be ... insignificant.
So, RT, if you want to pay for Al Gore's lunacy, be my guest.
BradGuth
Amazing how yourself and every other Zionist Nazi think and act
exactly the same.
~ BG
vtcapo
Produce the actual goods or the whistle blower. I want to
believe ..........
RT
Nightcrawler
>it holds no weight.
Bwahahaha, you just don't want to believe the truth. The University of East Anglia
verified
the authenticity of those emails.
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Nightcrawler
> First off, GuthBall, no one really cares what you think, since we
> all have your number ... and it is "0".
> Secondly, WTF is "slow ice" ?? call it what it really is, namely
> a glacier. Tell me again how the Antarctic is melting away, you
> hallucinating fuck tard ...
Slow ice, the moron mantra of Guthie. The Canadians have been reporting an increase
in slow ice, though that won't be enough. The studies around the world have shown
that most glaciers are stable or growing. The envirofrauds like to pick a few
that are currently in decline and claim them as the "norm".
BTW, the current temps in Antarctica are well below freezing. What, -30 degree C?
Nightcrawler
"Notroll2009" <jun...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:CujOm.17815$UY....@newsfe23.ams2...
> If it doesn't blow away first, Hagar's trailer will be one of the first to float off its
> foundation and find its way blissfully to the sea, hopefully with Hagar attached.
No way. I donated a lifetime supply of Widmer Hefe, in keg form, and chained
it to his axles.
Nightcrawler
>Your pro Big Energy and kosher approved mindset is noted.
Your profound ignorance and vacuous response is noted, along with your
inability to not act as you claim others to be.
Nightcrawler
And here some of us actually thought you silly kosher guys knew a
little something about physics. Now you're saying that methane is a
heavier gas than CO2. No wonder all the rest of us are screwed up, as
we don't seem to have your bipolar education.
~ BG
***************
You obviously don't read and comprehend for shit. Did I not recommend a chemistry
course? Primarily study heat retention. Methane, depending on conditions, can retain
and retransmit energy 20-70 times that of CO2. The point about heat retention is that
methane holds the energy longer than CO2, thus as the planet rotates back to sunlight,
some of this energy is still present with methane, while the CO2 releases the energy
quickly, which allows the energy to dissipate before rotating into the sunlight.
I just found this link. You might find it informative. It sure beats me having to go
through the effort of presenting the information in a format that you won't believe,
anyway.
BradGuth
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Your pretense and its ruse is noted, you can now go to hell and
otherwise suffer because of global warming.
Are you sure that you're not hiding that global cache of slow ice in
your underpants? (because it's certainly nowhere else to be found)
Methane is heavy enough that it's not going anywhere. However, why
don't you tell us how many tonnes per second this planet is losing in
hydrogen and helium?
btw; haven't we lost a percentage point or possibly two from the
global albedo?
~ BG
BradGuth
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Your lack of environmental expertise is noted. Refrigerator ice-maker
or even deep-freezer ice is relatively fast ice because it doesn't
last any year on its own, much less grow/expand in volume year after
year.
~ BG
Nightcrawler
one thing for longer than your dick?
"BradGuth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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HVAC
> The Global Warming ... ooops ... Climate Change scam seems
> to be coming apart at the seams.
Anyone here that claims to know if humans are causing
climate change is a liar. Anyone here that claims that humans
are NOT causing climate change is a liar.
Since we don't know, shouldn't we err on the side of caution?
Don't shit where you eat seems like common sense to me.
Spewing pollution all over our planet can't be good.
That's my 2 cents.
--
Cancel My Subscription To The Resurrection
Hagar
RT
*************************************
Since I'm also an Atheist, do you expect me to prove that Gawd
does NOT exist ... or provide a link to the whistle-blower ???
There is a "0" degree of separation between the spiritually brainwashed
doofi and the environmentally brainwashed loons ... obviously you are
in both camps ... rave on, Loonatic ..
Hagar
"Nightcrawler" <Dirty...@dirtcheap.net> wrote in message
news:LKSdnQ3-KZbtgZfW...@giganews.com...
Looked it up last night ... a HOT day in the heat of Summer is 25F
(for GuthBall only: water melts at 32F).
The ice shelves break off just like they have for eons. The tidal action
of the oceans affects them much the same way as the tab on a beer can
fatigues and finally breaks if you keep bending it back and forth
continuously ... new ice shelves form at the same rate as the large ones
detach.
vtcapo
This is about as authentic as when Nexus printed the Mother Shipton
Prophecies, copied in secret from a Library in Sidney. Copies and
not the originals?
Bawhahahahahahaha......... That's what you got and who is to say they
weren't fabricated just like Shipton....
RT
vtcapo
>
> - Show quoted text -
You know why this is a hoax, a fabrication? You want everyone to
believe that an insider is doing this. That this insider has the
goods on a Global conspiracy concerning the Earths most controversal
11th hour subject. Something that effects every world governrment and
they are NOT coming forward? Fuck off...
RT
PS When this insider comes forward you have a story. Until that
happens I stand on my first statement. It holds no weight.....
Nightcrawler
dimbulb.
"vtcapo" <vtc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Nightcrawler
This is about as authentic as when Nexus printed the Mother Shipton
Prophecies, copied in secret from a Library in Sidney. Copies and
not the originals?
Bawhahahahahahaha......... That's what you got and who is to say they
weren't fabricated just like Shipton....
RT
******************
Well, when you look at a website you are looking at copies, not the originals. Does
this make an experpt from a calculas text book any less authentic? All emails are
copies when they are saved to an IMAP folder, idiot. In fact, every email that you
read is a copy, since the original was composed on another machine.
Nightcrawler
up with phony bullshit to scare people into accepting government corrected behavior
is not a solution.
Also, I think that the evidence is rather straight forward that we are not causing
climate change.
"HVAC" <harlowc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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vtcapo
>A warning, of course. We can only say with a 90 per cent
>confidence interval that these emails are real”.
>This is clearly not the work of some hacker, but of an
>insider who’s now blown the whistle.
This is printed in YOUR article. Get your facts straight dim
wit........
RT
Nightcrawler
see.
"vtcapo" <vtc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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vtcapo
>
> - Show quoted text -
I see what's there........ Your article says it's 90% accurate and
that it is an INSIDER. I didn't day this. When your accuracy is 100%
and your insider comes forward, talk to me... Otherwise quit wasting
mine and everyone elses time.
RT
Hagar
RT
**************************************
I see ... that's why three or four scientists already acknowledged
that they wrote some of those e-mails, but that they were read
"out-of-context", even though to the un-brainwashed there is
really nothing there that could be misunderstood. Only the true
believers see the face of the Virgin Mary everywhere they look
... oops, that's that other bunch of loonies ... carry on.
Hagar
RT
**************************************
Someone should invent a "Head from Colon Remover" for you
pathetic Liberal sheeple, who blindly follow the guru of Global
Warming ... ooops ... have you noticed how suddenly it ain't
Globel Warming any longer, but the more palatable "Climate
Change", because even that dense guru Al Gore realized that
it was a bunch of utter BS, but he stands to make too much
money to admit to the hoax. Carry on ... the Loons are calling.
Nightcrawler
are fake since it had to be an insider who leaked them.
Brilliant!
Damned flat earthers...
"vtcapo" <vtc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Hagar
~ BG
************************************
Good news for you, GuthBall, the ice in the Antarctic just keeps on
piling up, year after year, and steadily keeps a-growing. Wonder why
that is ... might have something to do with the fact that it never gets
above freezing ... and even if it does, which could happen every 100
years or so, it'd only be for an hour or so ... not enough to even melt
an ice-cream cone, you lame-brained Loon.
BradGuth
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
The obvious fact that you've never stood where any km3 of slow ice
used to exist, and otherwise remain blind and/or dumbfounded past the
point of no return and in perpetual denial as to the matters of human
caused erosion and pollution, are way more than adequate.
btw; Democrats and Muslims are not solely responsible for all of the
world problems, shortages and inflation. Unlike Republicans, Zionists
and a few other special interest and/or faith-based cartels and cabals
that only seem to protect one another by looking the other way,
whereas some other groups actually do not practice hording and they
otherwise police their own kind.
~ BG
BradGuth
> Changing the subject again, I see. Is it possible for you to concentrate on
> one thing for longer than your dick?
>
>
> news:97341b7d-7bc8-4d92...@o9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
> Your pretense and its ruse is noted, you can now go to hell and
> otherwise suffer because of global warming.
>
> Are you sure that you're not hiding that global cache of slow ice in
> your underpants? (because it's certainly nowhere else to be found)
>
> Methane is heavy enough that it's not going anywhere. However, why
> don't you tell us how many tonnes per second this planet is losing in
> hydrogen and helium?
>
> btw; haven't we lost a percentage point or possibly two from the
> global albedo?
>
> ~ BG
Global warming and even pollution is a natural pus moon as well as
artificial package deal, and the ongoing loss of hydrogen and helium
is very much a big part of comprehending this picture. No wonder your
kind of Big Energy goons had the OCO mission terminated, as God forbid
we should objectively map and thus quantify anything that makes you
and others of your Big Energy kind look the least bit responsible.
~ BG
vtcapo
Quit wasting my time. Form your case and persecute the conspirators.
I for one would love it if all the urgency concerning global warming
would go away. I have a big diesel truck that leaves a considerable
carbon foot print that I use sparingly. I'd love to fire her up on a
daily basis.....
RT
Nightcrawler
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Nightcrawler
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H.
On Nov 22, 10:24 am, "H." <hbo...@charter.net> wrote:
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> On Nov 22, 9:03 am, "Hagar" <hs...@surewest.net>
> >news:b120d9b4-7f73-470b...@o9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> > On Nov 21, 9:33 am, "Nightcrawler"> > > messagenews:b167e2d3-77ba-4539...@x25g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> > > > The world should have been getting colder as of
> > > > thousands of years
> > > > ago. What happened?
>
> > > Bwahaha, climate change morons.
>
> > > Should have gotten colder? According to who? It
> > > SHOULD be getting
> > > warmer.
>
> > > As an aside:
>
> > >http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/com...
>
> > > I'll state it again:
>
> > > There is nothing about climate change that humans
> > > can currently control,
> > > nor is there
> > > any contribution that is a factor. All talk about
> > > climate change is for
> > > one purpose.
> > > To make money off of the mere fact of existence.
> > > Talk about the embodiment
> > > of
> > > a ZioNazi cabal...
>
> > Perhaps as little as 10% is human contributed, but
> > it's certainly not
> > more than 25%.
>
> > ~ BG
> > ***********************************
> > You dipshit ... there is on the average one
> > volcanic
> > eruption a week
> > somewhere in the world (most are in remote
> > landscapes
> > and don't
> > usually make the headlines). There are a good
> > number
> > of volcanoes
> > continuously emitting gasses into the atmosphere.
> > If
> > you total all
> > those natural emissions, the stuff humans put into
> > the air won't even
> > be a pin-prick on that scale.
>
> Most everything (70+%) of any consequence happens
> under
> water and
> otherwise under our thin crust, and it's that pesky
> 2e20 N/sec of
> interactive tidal force for holding onto our
> Selene/moon that is
> responsible for <90% of the global warming trend
> since
> the last ice-
> age. Until somewhat recently (prior to roughly 12,600
> BP) we didn't
> have that moon, or nearly as much seasonal tilt. As
> of
> the last few
> hundred years, the other 10% of global warming and
> most
> of the toxic
> polluting is clearly human caused, and only getting
> worse.
>
> Your kosher Republican form of denial and obfuscation
> is otherwise
> noted.
>
> ~ BG
> ============================================
>
> You definitely are stupid.
> H.
You definitely are kosher and Republican to boot (if
that isn't double
stupid, then nothing is)
~ BG
===============================================
Your retort is just like that of a little kid. How
does it not
make you definitely stupid?
What a total Dork.
H.
Andrew W
> There is nothing wrong with being good stewards of the planet. However,
> coming up with phony bullshit to scare people into accepting government
> corrected behavior is not a solution.
>
> Also, I think that the evidence is rather straight forward that we
> are not causing climate change.
>
Causing is the wrong word. Contributing is definitely a better word to
consider.
--
If you are a hard skeptic then you haven't researched or questioned
enough. If you believe something too much then you have the same
problem.
Nightcrawler
"Andrew W" <removethi...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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> Causing is the wrong word. Contributing is definitely a better word to consider.
You might be correct in the terminology, yet this does not belay the point, which
is that if you remove the human factor nothing will change...ergo, what is the real
motivation for trying to prove something that does not exist. Taking into account
all activities and natural processes, the real world impact of humanity is about 1%.
If the earth operated non dynamically, then that 1% would be additive and
therefore there would be a cumulative effect. Like adding marbles to a mason jar
until it overflowed. That is not the system the earth operates with. The earth
has warmed, the earth has cooled, and will continue to do both outside of human
influence. This is not abnormal.
Too many people suffer from Polaroid Syndrome. They take a picture of the way
things are now and conclude that the current state is the natural, unchanging world
that we live in. My contention is that the earth primarily is a warmer place. All
evidence supports this claim. Therefore, any warming, to that warmer state, is not
unnatural.
Using this warming as an indicator, and proof of man made climate change, is dis-
honest, and since the people trying to prove the claim are trying to profit off of the
claim, criminal. It's no different than the mafia charging for protection money.
Primarily I have exception with the intellectual dishonesty and the lack of a scientific
model that accurately portrays the mechanics at work. The envirofrauds willingly
throw out any evidence contrary to their goal, and that goal is clear. Control.
Back in the 70's a scientist used a certain NASA goon's computer program to
prove an imminent ice age. Now, that same goon's computer program is being
used to prove the exact opposite. However, nowhere in that goon's program
is water vapor used as a primary contributor. Any person with knowledge of
our environment, and the subsequent processes, knows that water vapor is roughly
99% of the earth bound force that drives our climate, with our sun being the force
that drives water vapor. Why is this factor ignored?
When infrared satellites were launched in the 90's, and confirmed the faulty numbers
gathered from defunct ground stations, the frauds jumped with glee until it was found
that an error was made in the computation of the temperatures attained from the
satellites. When the program was fixed the numbers no longer matched the defunct
ground stations. Of course, they had to cast about for an explanation which
essentially was "it doesn't matter if the data does not match my theory, it's the
theory that matters most". Their eye in the sky was no longer their champion and
they had to come up with other tactics.
Now, disinformation is the rule.
BradGuth
> I've been to many glaciers, Guthie. I doubt you've ever been to one.
>
>
> news:79494f00-d867-4f19...@a10g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
>
> The obvious fact that you've never stood where any km3 of slow ice
> used to exist, and otherwise remain blind and/or dumbfounded past the
> point of no return and in perpetual denial as to the matters of human
> caused erosion and pollution, are way more than adequate.
Wrong, and I've been to places where massive glaciers used to be, and
I'm not talking ice-age stuff.
~ BG
BradGuth
> More non related ramblings, how quaint.
>
Only if you and other Republican Zionist Nazis say so.
~ BG
BradGuth
wrote:
In his case, he's just a bipolar bigot that has to get his way, or
else. (it's what brown-nosed clowns and parrots do best)
~ BG
BradGuth
> "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
Perhaps removing the Nightcrawler human factor will cause nothing to
change, but otherwise every other form of biodiversity has
environmental impact and secondary or cascading consequences that's
not always positive.
~ BG
Nightcrawler
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Nightcrawler
films again?
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Andrew W
Yep. Disinformation and misunderstanding of data is rampant from all sides.
We are facing a huge glut of confusing data in this information age.
The way I see it is the planet warming circus appears to be to some degree a
smokescreen by the business oriented governments and corporations to hide
the pollution put out by the corporations and their products, plus to
introduce yet another tax etc.
That's what it look like to me from my own study.
Global temperatures are constantly fluctuating and are generally part of a
larger ancient cycle, so its hard to pin down exactly what's happening
there.
Pollution is the real problem we should be focussing on.
Why are so many species disappearing?
Why are oxygen levels falling?
Why is the vital ocean current known as the conveyer belt ceasing?
Why are the algal blooms growing increasingly near effluent/chemical
outlets?
Why is vital plankton in the sea disappearing?
Why are there oxygen dead zones appearing around the world near outlets?
Why are bees disappearing?
Why do satellite photos show the rainforests rapidly shrinking each year?
This seems to be the direct results of big businesses like oil companies and
manufacturing/chemicals corporations.
There are safer and more natural alternatives, but they're more expensive
and thus less profitable for the corporations.
Why is the government not leaning on the corporations? Because they're in
the back pockets of the corporations.
Its almost as if the corporations now run the countries instead of the
governments. We are living in a business world.
Unfortunately businesses care more about profit than the environment.
We have to focus on bringing these corporations to the law and forcing them
to be responsible for their actions instead of just continuing making
profits at our expense and the planet's.
Hagar
Kindergarten for GuthBall ...
"Nightcrawler" <Dirty...@dirtcheap.net> wrote in message
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Hagar
GuthBall ?? We already know you're insane ... you don't have to
prove it over and over ... we DO believe you ...
BradGuth
> "Nightcrawler" <Dirtyde...@dirtcheap.net> wrote in message
>
> news:IeCdnZYR8dD1lJbW...@giganews.com...> Look, in one sentence Guthie summed himself up. Isn't transference
> > golden?
>
> >news:593147f7-bf6a-4e42...@a39g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
>
> > In his case, he's just a bipolar bigot that has to get his way, or
> > else. (it's what brown-nosed clowns and parrots do best)
>
> > ~ BG
>
> Don't you ever get tired of regurgitating the same old crapola,
> GuthBall ?? We already know you're insane ... you don't have to
> prove it over and over ... we DO believe you ...
It seems the mainstream status quo is by far the most regurgitated
crapola in town (published and touted a billion to one more often than
anything else). So, what exactly is my little insignificant threat to
your monstrous regurgitation?
Are you saying that brown-nosed clowns and parrots of your status quo
are merely dysfunctional bipolar puppets that are simply misunderstood
and never directly responsible for anything bad or unsavory?
Is that the reason why we're having to investigate, indict and put
such a high percentage of Jews and republicans as well as their brown-
nosed minions behind bars?
~ BG
Nightcrawler
of the many, knows that
the few have held center stage concerning this debate. I find it humorous that the few
are now being exposed
for the frauds that they are, and that their methods are not only fraudulent, but
borderline criminal when the full
scope of their effort is exposed as the despotic scheme that it really is. Since the late
eighties I've been against
all of these fools and shall relish each and every one of these individuals suffering the
slings and arrows of scorn,
and, hopefully, much worse.
NC
***************
Begin quote:
21 Nov 09 - One of the world's leading climate change research centers has been accused of
manipulating data on global warming after thousands of private emails and documents were
leaked.
Hackers broke into the electronic files of the University of East Anglia's Climatic
Research Unit (CRU) in Britain and published 61 megabites of confidential files on the
internet, files in which prominent scientists engaged in a blunt discussion of global
warming research and disparaged climate-change skeptics.
The CRU, which tracks long-term changes in temperature, has repeatedly refused to provide
detailed information about the data underlying their temperature records that (supposedly)
show global warming.
So what's the big deal? This matters because The University of East
Anglia's Climatic Research Unit (CRU), usually works together with the
Hadley center (HadCRUT3), one of the four official sources of global
temperature data used by the IPCC.
Skeptics point to the leaked e-mails as evidence that scientific data has been rigged to
make it appear as if humans are causing global warming. The research center massaged
temperature data, they say. Global warming is fabricated! Meanwhile, the researchers
insist that the e-mails have been taken out of context.
University officials confirmed the data breach, which involves more than 1,000 e-mails and
3,000 documents, but said they could not say how many of the stolen items were authentic.
Professor Michael Mann, director of the Earth System Science Center at Pennsylvania State
University, who features in many of the email exchanges, said "I'm not going to comment on
the content of illegally obtained emails. However, I will say this: both their theft and,
I believe, any reproduction of the emails that were obtained on public websites, etc,
constitutes serious criminal activity. I'm hoping the perpetrators and their facilitators
will be tracked down and prosecuted to the fullest extent the law allows."
As if manipulation of the data were not the bigger problem here.
Mann was creator of the infamous and now discredited - and, in my
opinion, fraudulent - hockey-stick graph. The graph miraculously
made the Medieval Warm Period disappear.
In an e-mail from 1999, the center's director, Phil Jones, alludes to one of Mann's
articles in the journal Nature and writes, "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of
adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (i.e., from 1981 onwards)
and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."
Myron Ebell, director of energy and global warming policy for the Competitive Enterprise
Institute, said the email exchanges show researchers have colluded to establish the
scientific consensus that humans are causing climate change.
"It is clear that some of the 'world's leading climate scientists,' as they are always
described, are more dedicated to promoting the alarmist political agenda than in
scientific research," said Ebell. "Some of the e-mails that I have read are blatant
displays of personal pettiness, unethical conniving, and twisting the science to support
their political position."
In one e-mail, Ben Santer, a scientist at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, offered
to beat up skeptic Pat Michaels, a senior fellow at the libertarian Cato Institute, out of
sympathy for Jones.
Another message has been interpreted as an attempt to control the publication of
research carried out by skeptical scientists.
One way of doing this would be by loading the panel of researchers who review papers ahead
of publication with experts who are 'on-message'.
Talk of a figure being 'shoehorned' into a report from the UN's International Panel of
Climate Change appears in another of the documents.
"If you own any shares in alternative energy companies I should start dumping them NOW,"
said writer James Delingpole.
See the following links for more.
Climate Scientists Accused Of Twisting Warming Data
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/6619796/Climate-scientists-accu
sed-of-manipulating-global-warming-data.html
Climategate - The Global Warming Fraud Revealed
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-
the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/
Hackers Expose Global Warming Hoax
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1229740/Hackers-expose-global-warming-Claims-leake
d-emails-reveal-research-centre-massaged-temperature-data.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/20/climate-sceptics-hackers-leaked-emails
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34079149/ns/us_news-washington_post
Thanks to Bill Sellers, Craig Adkins, Lyn Clark, Benjamin Napier, Doug McIntyre, Hans
Schreuder, Eric Worrall , Greg Bunt, Richard Lacaba, Piers Corbyn, Bob Ashworth, Marcus
Christopher, Jeff Rense and many, many others for these links
The above is from:
http://www.iceagenow.com/Hacked_files_expose_massive_global_warming_con.htm
BradGuth
> sed-of-manipulating-global-warming-data.html
>
> Climategate - The Global Warming Fraud Revealedhttp://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climatega...
> the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/
>
> Hackers Expose Global Warming Hoaxhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1229740/Hackers-expose-global...
> d-emails-reveal-research-centre-massaged-temperature-data.html
>
> http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2009/11/man-bear-pig-is-dead-ema...
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/20/climate-sceptics-ha...
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34079149/ns/us_news-washington_post
>
> Thanks to Bill Sellers, Craig Adkins, Lyn Clark, Benjamin Napier, Doug McIntyre, Hans
> Schreuder, Eric Worrall , Greg Bunt, Richard Lacaba, Piers Corbyn, Bob Ashworth, Marcus
> Christopher, Jeff Rense and many, many others for these links
>
I suppose you're hiding all of that new cache of "slow ice" along with
all of those Muslim WMD and OBL that you insisted they each existed.
Now would be a good time to share that special knowledge as to the
whereabouts of all that slow ice that you've been hiding. Exactly how
many km3 of that slow ice do you have?
btw, there's also 250,000 km2 of ocean dead zones that you can return
to normal of perhaps 2,500 km2, and you might as well reverse those
ozone holes while you're at it.
~ BG
Hagar
~ BG
************************************
I'm deeply impressed ... you stuttered three paragraphs without even
once mentioning the dreaded NAZIs ... your cogs are slipping, Loon.
Nightcrawler
The only dead zone I'm aware of is the space between your ears.
"BradGuth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:b225ed9a-09e1-4c3b...@v15g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
BradGuth
> If you want slow ice check out New Zealand. They're getting a bunch of it.
>
> The only dead zone I'm aware of is the space between your ears.
>
>
> I suppose you're hiding all of that new cache of "slow ice" along with
> all of those Muslim WMD and OBL that you insisted they each existed.
> Now would be a good time to share that special knowledge as to the
> whereabouts of all that slow ice that you've been hiding. Exactly how
> many km3 of that slow ice do you have?
>
> btw, there's also 250,000 km2 of ocean dead zones that you can return
> to normal of perhaps 2,500 km2, and you might as well reverse those
> ozone holes while you're at it.
>
> ~ BG
Just checked Google news/blogs, and it’s not exactly looking good.
Antarctica is losing ice from its larger eastern side
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601082&sid=atJRfSKS0cOA
“Since 2006, Antarctica’s ice loss may be as high as 220 billion tons
a year, the University of Texas scientists said in the paper. Ice loss
for the 2002 through 2005 period averaged 144 billion tons a year,
Chen said.” (the good news; that’s only 144 km3/year from a place that
should be at least stable if not increasing its slow ice volumes)
“Icebergs heading for New Zealand”
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5hHsk10EKSPtiPO-6PnhBAstCf9NA
http://blue-links.blogspot.com/2009/11/icebergs-heading-for-new-zealand.html
East Antarctica, Long Stable, Is Now Losing Ice
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1942828,00.html
New Zealand's glaciers were continuing to lose significant ice mass
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-11/23/content_12524685.htm
A giant iceberg twice the size of the Titanic has been spotted
floating towards New Zealand.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Iceberg-Floating-Towards-New-Zealand-Glacier-Spotted-Five-Miles-North-Of-Macquarie-Island/Article/200911215452081?lpos=World_News_Second_Home_Page_Feature_Teaser_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15452081_Iceberg_Floating_Towards_New_Zealand%3A_Glacier_Spotted_Five_Miles_North_Of_Macquarie_Island
~ BG
Nightcrawler
Zealand if it was not there to begin with, and with it being minus 30 degrees centigrade
and all, I guess your melting fears are pretty much just alarmist bullshit. Though, the
ice flow heading to NZ is do to ocean currents actually heading that way, not abnormal
shedding.
Once again you show that you have no clue.
"BradGuth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:5e3718b9-e600-4059...@d9g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 24, 2:17 pm, "Nightcrawler" <Dirtyde...@dirtcheap.net> wrote:
<known info snipped>
BradGuth
> Gee, I guess that slow ice didn't melt, after all. It's hard for it to be heading to New
> Zealand if it was not there to begin with, and with it being minus 30 degrees centigrade
> and all, I guess your melting fears are pretty much just alarmist bullshit. Though, the
> ice flow heading to NZ is do to ocean currents actually heading that way, not abnormal
> shedding.
>
> Once again you show that you have no clue.
>
Now you suggest that rogue icebergs never melt and otherwise rejoin
Antarctica? (could happen, if it were on Mars)
~ BG
Nightcrawler
Hmmm, that was 20 years, or so, after 1911. Do you remember me making that
reference?
"BradGuth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:f1185807-e016-411e...@x5g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
BradGuth
> Nope. Interesting enough, the last time NZ had such an ice flow was in the 30's.
> Hmmm, that was 20 years, or so, after 1911. Do you remember me making that
> reference?
>
>
> On Nov 24, 9:44 pm, "Nightcrawler" <Dirtyde...@dirtcheap.net> wrote:
>
> Now you suggest that rogue icebergs never melt and otherwise rejoin
> Antarctica? (could happen, if it were on Mars)
>
> ~ BG
Fast ice (aka snow) doesn't count. Icebergs (slow ice) hardly ever
rejoins where it came from, instead it migrates towards warming waters
and melts.
I guess an extra 50 meters of ocean level is going to have to be good
for the soul, because sure as hell Republican Zionist Nazis are not
about to change or much less do anything positive/constructive towards
salvaging our frail environment.
~ BG
Hagar
falling snow, as the old ones calve off from the glacier. The concept is
well
understood by most normal people ... though you environmental whackos
seem to have problems grasping that natural process ...
BradGuth
> "Nightcrawler" <Dirtyde...@dirtcheap.net> wrote in message
>
> news:K4WdnWSu_bnUV5HW...@giganews.com...> Nope. Interesting enough, the last time NZ had such an ice flow was in
> > the 30's.
> > Hmmm, that was 20 years, or so, after 1911. Do you remember me making
> > that
> > reference?
>
> >news:f1185807-e016-411e...@x5g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> > On Nov 24, 9:44 pm, "Nightcrawler" <Dirtyde...@dirtcheap.net> wrote:
>
> > Now you suggest that rogue icebergs never melt and otherwise rejoin
> > Antarctica? (could happen, if it were on Mars)
>
> > ~ BG
>
> It ha never occurred to you that new iceberg masses are being deposited, by
> falling snow, as the old ones calve off from the glacier. The concept is
> well
> understood by most normal people ... though you environmental whackos
> seem to have problems grasping that natural process ...
Again, fast ice doesn't count. Obviously if the temperature of the
area receiving snow is never much above freezing, then such snow adds
to and thus creates glaciers of slow ice.
Antarctica is losing ice from its larger eastern side
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601082&sid=atJRfSKS0cOA
“Since 2006, Antarctica’s ice loss may be as high as 220 billion tons
a year, the University of Texas scientists said in the paper. Ice loss
for the 2002 through 2005 period averaged 144 billion tons a year,
Chen said.” (the good news; that’s only 144 km3/year from a place that
should be at least stable if not increasing its “slow ice” volumes)
Perhaps this coming end of summer for Antarctica will become a record
loss of 240 billion tonnes, bringing the global loss of ‘slow ice’ to
roughly 300 billion tonnes/year for the north/south summers of
2009~2010. Not to worry, because that’s just another drop in the old
bucket that’s already overflowing, with next year adding perhaps an
average km3/day. Add that to the km3/day of various land erosion
that's going into the drink makes 2 km3/day. (what could possibly go
wrong?)
~ BG
Nightcrawler
slow ice is created a year? That's a convenient number you choose to leave
out.
Snow and ice crystal fall does count, since this is what creates the slow ice.
Each year a layer of frozen water builds on the previous year's layer. This ice
then creeps out and into the ocean where fresh water is frozen onto the ice
flow. This process continues until the constant flexing and gravitational
force exceeds the structural integrity of the ice. Large chunks break off of the
Ice flow. These chunks are whisked away by the ocean currents.
Today, it is precisely because of the lower water temperatures of this current
that the chunks, "icebergs", are not able to melt and are brought by the current
to New Zealand. The oddity is not that the chunks are breaking off, but that
the water is as cold as it is and that the currents are actually heading towards
New Zealand.
No where in this process is there a climate-change induced phenomenon. The
process you see has been observed for hundreds of years. It has varied from
time to time in ~20 year cycles. It is nothing new, that is why I ask you about
1911, and the particular aspects of that winter.
"BradGuth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:bf54a112-b3bf-4df7...@m7g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
BradGuth
> Again, the zero sum mentality. The inability to connect the dots. How much
> slow ice is created a year? That's a convenient number you choose to leave
> out.
Apparently it's <365 km3 less per year than a few hundred years ago.
If new volumes of slow ice were keeping up with each summer's thaw,
whereas such glaciers of land and ocean coverage would have remained
relatively consistent (perhaps +/- 0.1% [+/- 1.365 w/m2] that relates
to solar output and orbital considerations).
>
> Snow and ice crystal fall does count, since this is what creates the slow ice.
> Each year a layer of frozen water builds on the previous year's layer. This ice
> then creeps out and into the ocean where fresh water is frozen onto the ice
> flow. This process continues until the constant flexing and gravitational
> force exceeds the structural integrity of the ice. Large chunks break off of the
> Ice flow. These chunks are whisked away by the ocean currents.
>
> Today, it is precisely because of the lower water temperatures of this current
> that the chunks, "icebergs", are not able to melt and are brought by the current
> to New Zealand. The oddity is not that the chunks are breaking off, but that
> the water is as cold as it is and that the currents are actually heading towards
> New Zealand.
>
> No where in this process is there a climate-change induced phenomenon. The
> process you see has been observed for hundreds of years. It has varied from
> time to time in ~20 year cycles. It is nothing new, that is why I ask you about
> 1911, and the particular aspects of that winter.
>
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:bf54a112-b3bf-4df7...@m7g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
> Again, fast ice doesn't count. Obviously if the temperature of the
> area receiving snow is never much above freezing, then such snow adds
> to and thus creates glaciers of slow ice.
>
> Antarctica is losing ice from its larger eastern side
> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601082&sid=atJRfSKS0cOA
> “Since 2006, Antarctica’s ice loss may be as high as 220 billion tons
> a year, the University of Texas scientists said in the paper. Ice loss
> for the 2002 through 2005 period averaged 144 billion tons a year,
> Chen said.” (the good news; that’s only 144 km3/year from a place that
> should be at least stable if not increasing its “slow ice” volumes)
>
> Perhaps this coming end of summer for Antarctica will become a record
> loss of 240 billion tonnes, bringing the global loss of ‘slow ice’ to
> roughly 300 billion tonnes/year for the north/south summers of
> 2009~2010. Not to worry, because that’s just another drop in the old
> bucket that’s already overflowing, with next year adding perhaps an
> average km3/day. Add that to the km3/day of various land erosion
> that's going into the drink makes 2 km3/day. (what could possibly go
> wrong?)
>
> ~ BG
Once again, you're assuming that anyone that's not a Republican
Zionist Nazi is dead wrong.
You can interpret as much 'fast ice' as 'slow ice' as you like.
However, as long as that "fast ice" as snow entirely thaws and/or
melts and drains away (causing erosion at the same time) before the
next snow falls, there's a problem that some of us call "global
warming", and others call pollution and/or global dimming. Water
absorbs 90% of the solar energy influx that reaches the surface,
whereas fresh snow as fast or slow ice absorbs 10%, and our polluted
atmosphere absorbs most everything else.
~ BG
Nightcrawler
"BradGuth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:2c314145-9ac9-4810...@z3g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 25, 10:18 am, "Nightcrawler" <Dirtyde...@dirtcheap.net> wrote:
>Apparently it's <365 km3 less per year than a few hundred years ago.
Based on what evidence? I know, none. Just a fabrication in your head.
Though, since the ice age ended ~10,000 years ago, it would be natural
for the non-arctic regions to thaw completely, and for the fringe area to
have cyclic periods of freeze/thaw, and the north to have water driven
mechanics heightened, and for both the north/south to have varying degrees
of intensity/deposition. Still, other than the ice age factor, none of what
currently is occurring is attribitable to climate change out of the normal
occilation the planet seems to currently be in, which is still much lower
in temperature than the mean norm of the planet, historically.
>If new volumes of slow ice were keeping up with each summer's thaw,
>whereas such glaciers of land and ocean coverage would have remained
>relatively consistent (perhaps +/- 0.1% [+/- 1.365 w/m2] that relates
>to solar output and orbital considerations).
What thaw? Are you you changing gears again and arbitrarily throwing in
a different geographical region? Forgetting about recent, natural events
in the climatic history?
<snip>
>Once again, you're assuming that anyone that's not a Republican
>Zionist Nazi is dead wrong.
The above is your assumption, based on your preconcieved and faulty thought
process.
>You can interpret as much 'fast ice' as 'slow ice' as you like.
>However, as long as that "fast ice" as snow entirely thaws and/or
>melts and drains away (causing erosion at the same time) before the
>next snow falls, there's a problem that some of us call "global
>warming", and others call pollution and/or global dimming. Water
>absorbs 90% of the solar energy influx that reaches the surface,
>whereas fresh snow as fast or slow ice absorbs 10%, and our polluted
>atmosphere absorbs most everything else.
All of the above detractors, as you present them, exist without man. Pollution
in the atmosphere is a two edged sword with each type contributing in a different
fashion (not all is warming), and is a subject all its own. Man's input is 1% of the
total, therefore, there is only the possibility of 1% change.
There is zero increased thawing in respect to the conditions on this planet over the
past few hundred years.
There is zero increased erosion outside of the small geographical regions man has
chosen to change. This is a rather small footprint. In some areas man has stopped
erosion, or tried to.
In fact, the majority of the major thawing/erosion, tapered off quite a few thousand
years ago. What is left is the natural process that is normal for this planet's current
conditions, which man has zero influence (actual change, augmentmention) over.
Once again, I want to know where the thermostat is, I want it turned up a few degrees.
The earth is taking too long to do it on her own.
BradGuth
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:2c314145-9ac9-4810...@z3g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
Apparently the Republican Zionist Nazi types like yourself do not
believe in technology, much less in satellite radar imaging that's at
least ten fold more informative than any visual spectrum. There's
also the objective science of ice cores going back nearly a million
years worth of slow ice history.
That global thermostat has been turned up several notches since the
arrival of our moon(Selene). 2e20 N = 55.5e12 kw, not to mention the
lithobraking encounter that gave us the extra seasonal tilt and the
Arctic ocean basin as of the last ice-age this planet w/moon is ever
going to see.
~ BG
Hagar
~ BG
*****************************************
This last paragraph proves beyond a shadow of doubt that you are
irrational beyond redemption. Too bad birth control does not work
retro-actively ...
Nightcrawler
"BradGuth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:7b6a5a93-4f8c-4471...@o9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
That's strange, it is this technology that proves different than what you
claim. Though, you seem to be under the impression that the earth
naturallly has ice caps, rather than, currently, the earth unnaturally has
ice caps. When the ice age ended there was a huge melt off, but that
melt off has somewhat stabilized, for the moment, and is not doing
anything different than what it has been doing since recorded history.
Is it not logical to think that having ice caps for only ~50 million years,
out of the 4.6 billion years that the earth has existed, is unnatural?
>That global thermostat has been turned up several notches since the
>arrival of our moon(Selene). 2e20 N = 55.5e12 kw, not to mention the
>lithobraking encounter that gave us the extra seasonal tilt and the
>Arctic ocean basin as of the last ice-age this planet w/moon is ever
>going to see.
Let's see here:
The moon was here long before both cold spells.
Since the moon has been in orbit, the planet has been substantially warmer
than it currently is, and hopefully it will return to normal at some point in
time. There is no correlation between the moon and our current climate,
which was induced by something else.
The axial tilt might have been caused by the event that saw the formation of
the current earth/moon system. Then again, the axial tilt might have been worse
before this event and is now at its current, stable orientation.
Tidal braking is variable and is dependent on continental drift. Regardless, the
"braking" is rather small and won't have a noticeable effect considering that this
braking is around 2 milliseconds per hundred years. I do believe we might have
a larger things to worry about, by then.
Nightcrawler
"Nightcrawler" <Dirty...@dirtcheap.net> wrote in message news:...
Correction, I typed in 2 milliseconds per 100 years, that should have been per
day, which is .7 seconds per year. Yep, I'm capable of brain farts, too.
Nightcrawler
Nightcrawler
BradGuth
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:7b6a5a93-4f8c-4471...@o9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
> On Nov 25, 11:50 am, "Nightcrawler" <Dirtyde...@dirtcheap.net> wrote:
>
> >Apparently the Republican Zionist Nazi types like yourself do not
> >believe in technology, much less in satellite radar imaging that's at
> >least ten fold more informative than any visual spectrum. There's
> >also the objective science of ice cores going back nearly a million
> >years worth of slow ice history.
>
> That's strange, it is this technology that proves different than what you
> claim. Though, you seem to be under the impression that the earth
> naturallly has ice caps, rather than, currently, the earth unnaturally has
> ice caps. When the ice age ended there was a huge melt off, but that
> melt off has somewhat stabilized, for the moment, and is not doing
> anything different than what it has been doing since recorded history.
> Is it not logical to think that having ice caps for only ~50 million years,
> out of the 4.6 billion years that the earth has existed, is unnatural?
>
> >That global thermostat has been turned up several notches since the
> >arrival of our moon(Selene). 2e20 N = 55.5e12 kw, not to mention the
> >lithobraking encounter that gave us the extra seasonal tilt and the
> >Arctic ocean basin as of the last ice-age this planet w/moon is ever
> >going to see.
>
> Let's see here:
>
> The moon was here long before both cold spells.
Your purely subjective interpretation is noted. When are you going to
share the evidence?
Are you suggesting early humans of the last ice-age were blind as well
as dumbfounded?
>
> Since the moon has been in orbit, the planet has been substantially warmer
> than it currently is, and hopefully it will return to normal at some point in
> time. There is no correlation between the moon and our current climate,
> which was induced by something else.
>
> The axial tilt might have been caused by the event that saw the formation of
> the current earth/moon system. Then again, the axial tilt might have been worse
> before this event and is now at its current, stable orientation.
>
> Tidal braking is variable and is dependent on continental drift. Regardless, the
> "braking" is rather small and won't have a noticeable effect considering that this
> braking is around 2 milliseconds per hundred years. I do believe we might have
> a larger things to worry about, by then.
Yes, like your perpetual obfuscation and denial that goes along with
the 2e20 N/sec this Earth has to contend with, and always the
continual pollution of our environment by the likes of yourself.
What global and other nearby resources do you have for us as of 1000
years from now?
Obviously you don't care, not even about a year from now, or even
tomorrow is apparently nothing to worry about. In other kosher words,
such a deal.
~ BG