Verifiable proofs that governments lie to their citizens
Andrew W
The Downing Street Memo is only the beginning of the proof we were all lied
to.
There is nothing new in a government lying to their people to start a war.
Indeed because most people prefer living in peace to bloody and horrific
death in war, any government that desires to initiate a war usually lies to
their people to create the illusion that support for the war is the only
possible choice they can make.
President McKinley told the American people that the USS Maine had been sunk
in Havana Harbor by a Spanish mine. The American people, outraged by this
apparent unprovoked attack, supported the Spanish American War. The Captain
of the USS Maine had insisted the ship was sunk by a coal bin explosion,
investigations after the war proved that such had indeed been the case.
There had been no mine.
The rest on
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/lieofthecentury.html
More
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/governmentlies.html?q=governmentlies.html
Government Lies and UFOs
http://keyholepublishing.com/Government_lies_and_ufos.htm
More UFO lies
http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/sf-government-lies1.html
NSA lies
http://bigthink.com/robertdeneufville/government-secrets-and-lies
--
If you are a hard skeptic then you haven't researched or questioned enough.
If you believe something too much then you have the same problem.
VFW
"Andrew W" <removethi...@optushome.com.au> wrote:
what about the "Gulf of Tonkin"?
the "Reichstag" ?
and how 'bout 9/11 ?
--
money; what a concept!
Rex
>
> what about the "Gulf of Tonkin"?
> the "Reichstag" ?
> and how 'bout 9/11 ?
9/11? As in 'The WTC was destroyed in a controlled explosion and
Pentagon was hit by a missile' ??
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If we wish to count lines of code, we should not regard them as "lines
produced" but as "lines spent".
-- Edsger Dijkstra
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Andrew W
> VFW wrote:
>
>>
>> what about the "Gulf of Tonkin"?
>> the "Reichstag" ?
>> and how 'bout 9/11 ?
>
> 9/11? As in 'The WTC was destroyed in a controlled explosion and
> Pentagon was hit by a missile' ??
>
I suppose you bought the laughable story that two towers that were designed
to withstand strong winds and earth quakes were bought down by kerosene
fires, even though weaker buildings in other parts of the world remained
standing after much worse fires.
Rex
> Rex wrote:
>> VFW wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> what about the "Gulf of Tonkin"?
>>> the "Reichstag" ?
>>> and how 'bout 9/11 ?
>>
>> 9/11? As in 'The WTC was destroyed in a controlled explosion and
>> Pentagon was hit by a missile' ??
>>
>
> I suppose you bought the laughable story that two towers that were designed
> to withstand strong winds and earth quakes were bought down by kerosene
> fires, even though weaker buildings in other parts of the world remained
> standing after much worse fires.
>
and lit a match? Or have you forgotten about 2 little ol' Boeing 767's
involved? Take off weight = 180 tons approx, cruising speed = 530 mph,
to give a momentum of 4.24 million kg m/s
(Based on specs here:
http://boeing.com/commercial/767family/pf/pf_200prod.html).
Definitely more than 'strong winds', and NY is nowhere near an
earthquake zone.
The WTC was designed to take the impact of a 707 flying at stall
speed(due to getting off course in fog), not the bigger 767 flying at
maximum speed. When the building was designed and built in the early
70s, they definitely did not factor suicidal jihadis flying fullsized
planes at maximum speed into the towers.
Here's more:
http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc_707_impact.html
9/11 was a bonanza of an excuse to hit Iraq, no more. It caught
everybody with their pants down, GWB included.
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The maze was so small that people got lost looking for it.
-- Terry Pratchett: Men at arms.
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Andrew W
> Andrew W wrote:
>> Rex wrote:
>>> VFW wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> what about the "Gulf of Tonkin"?
>>>> the "Reichstag" ?
>>>> and how 'bout 9/11 ?
>>>
>>> 9/11? As in 'The WTC was destroyed in a controlled explosion and
>>> Pentagon was hit by a missile' ??
>>>
>>
>> I suppose you bought the laughable story that two towers that were
>> designed to withstand strong winds and earth quakes were bought down
>> by kerosene fires, even though weaker buildings in other parts of
>> the world remained standing after much worse fires.
>>
> How did the kerosene get there? Someone poured a tankload of kerosene
> and lit a match? Or have you forgotten about 2 little ol' Boeing 767's
> involved?
Jet fuel is basically kerosene.
>
> Take off weight = 180 tons approx, cruising speed = 530 mph,
> to give a momentum of 4.24 million kg m/s
> (Based on specs here:
> http://boeing.com/commercial/767family/pf/pf_200prod.html).
> Definitely more than 'strong winds', and NY is nowhere near an
> earthquake zone.
>
> The WTC was designed to take the impact of a 707 flying at stall
> speed(due to getting off course in fog), not the bigger 767 flying at
> maximum speed. When the building was designed and built in the early
> 70s, they definitely did not factor suicidal jihadis flying fullsized
> planes at maximum speed into the towers.
> Here's more:
> http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc_707_impact.html
>
Whether or not it is an earthquake zone the buildings were designed with a
high redundancy of strength. Fires could not bring them down.
And the buildings did not fall down as soon as the planes hit. So that
wasn't the cause either.
>
> 9/11 was a bonanza of an excuse to hit Iraq, no more. It caught
> everybody with their pants down, GWB included.
>
So much so that they didn't even get to scramble the fighter jets?
In fact the jets were stood down from high up.
Rex
> Rex wrote:
>
> Jet fuel is basically kerosene.
Well, duh. You make it sound as though fire was the only thing that
brought it down. The jet fuel wasn't just poured there, it impacted at
the cruising speed of an airliner..together with the airliner that
contained it.
> Whether or not it is an earthquake zone the buildings were designed with a
> high redundancy of strength. Fires could not bring them down.
> And the buildings did not fall down as soon as the planes hit. So that
> wasn't the cause either.
As I said, it wasn't just a fire. The buildings were definitely not
designed for withstanding impact from a fully laden jetliner flying at
maximum speed by a bunch of religious fanatics. The shock to the
superstructure started collapsing the floors where the impact
occurred..and as the falling portions gained momentum, the load bearing
capability of the lower floors also was compromised, leading to a domino
effect. You can see it in the videos too..the building literally
implodes as the top collapses.
The intensity of the fire, plus impact damage would prevent any
sprinkler systems from working-and the intense heat would weaken (not
melt) the steel core of the frame of the building- further accelerating
collapse.
>
> So much so that they didn't even get to scramble the fighter jets?
> In fact the jets were stood down from high up.
I don't know about that..but what would the fighter jets do anyway-shoot
them down?
I was watching it live on TV- and the initial report seemed to suggest
that it was an accident. Only when the second plane struck did it become
clear it was an attack.
It's still interesting how Pentagon airspace was allowed to be breached,
though.
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TOWER: "Say position."
PILOT: "Position."
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HVAC
"Andrew W" <removethi...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
news:4b07d069$0$6094$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
Is there ANY kooky shit that you DON'T believe?
> Whether or not it is an earthquake zone the buildings were designed with a
> high redundancy of strength. Fires could not bring them down.
Gravity brought them down.
> And the buildings did not fall down as soon as the planes hit. So that
> wasn't the cause either.
So to use your 'logic', someone that dies 2 hours after being shot,
doesn't die from a gunshot.
Sounds stupid put like that, huh?
>> 9/11 was a bonanza of an excuse to hit Iraq, no more. It caught
>> everybody with their pants down, GWB included.
>>
>
> So much so that they didn't even get to scramble the fighter jets?
> In fact the jets were stood down from high up.
Fighters were scrambled from Otis Air Base on Cape Cod.
Oh... That's right! (slaps forehead) The military was IN on it!
So, of course they would just fake the records.
Like ALL good conspiracy theories, anyone who disputes
the 'facts' is in on the conspiracy.
--
HVA� - Shock Treatment For Believers
Grizzly
> Rex wrote:
>>
>
> I suppose you bought the laughable story that two towers that were designed
> to withstand strong winds and earth quakes were bought down by kerosene
> fires, even though weaker buildings in other parts of the world remained
> standing after much worse fires.
>
You have that right, false flags are waved in our faces to justify
bloated military spending and perpetual warfare. It furthers David
Rockefeller's, and David Rothschild's depopulation agenda. Henry
Kissinger espoused that early on during the Paris peace talks and at the
United Nations and the Club of Rome saying that the agenda for third
world countries should be one of depopulation through conventional war
and germ warfare. They are now bringing the USA down to the level of a
third world nation, they are also practicing the depopulation agenda
here through the spread of engineered diseases, sonic weaponry and the
poisoning of the planet spraying chemicals and biologicals on the
unwitting populace below. The future they seek for humanity is one of
abject poverty and serfdom for the few they selectively breed for the
purpose. Of course the elite who espouse contraception, abortion and
mass murder for the general populace, don't practice what they preach on
their own litters of brats.
They always want more of everything for themselves so the quicker they
do away with "surplus" humanity, the better in their twisted corrupt
view of things. 911 was mass human sacrifice to their god Moloch. The
people who perpetrated it upon the US were none other than the bankers
and politicians who held office at the time starting at the top. They
are still pulling the strings on the current administration as they are
draining our economy and sentencing our children and grandchildren to a
life of perpetual slavery to the state..Fuck all of them!
Government Shill #2
Why? What sort of airspace restrictions were in force?
--
Shill #2
Pay Section
Disinformation Directorate
Ministry of Information
European Division
Rex
>
> Why? What sort of airspace restrictions were in force?
>
I don't think regular commercial aircraft are allowed to overfly the
Pentagon(or come close to it) or other military and strategic installations.
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It's not an optical illusion, it just looks like one.
-- Phil White
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Government Shill #2
<rexdudeREMOVEA...@liam.ur> wrote:
>Government Shill #2 wrote:
>
>>
>> Why? What sort of airspace restrictions were in force?
>>
> I don't think regular commercial aircraft are allowed to overfly the
>Pentagon(or come close to it) or other military and strategic installations.
Do you?
Ok... let's pretend for a minute that that's correct. What radius does this
no-fly zone extend from the Pentagon? 5 miles? 10 Miles? 50 miles?
At 250 mph a commercial aircraft covers 4 miles every minute. What were the
military supposed to do in the 1, 2.5, or 12.5 minutes available to them
under your scenario?
Now... throw in the fact that runway 15 at Ronald Regan National Airport is
0.79 miles from one wall of the Pentagon (according to Google Earth) and
your theory is looking pretty sick. If you look at it, any aircraft on
approach to runway 15 at Ronald Regan National Airport would have to fly
directly over the Pentagon. You can see the Pentagon in the background of
this picture of Ronald Regan National Airport.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Reagan_National_Airport.jpg
Grizzly
planes striking the twin towers and the pentagon. He ordered our
fighter jets to stand down. Normally fighter jets are scrambled when any
commercial jet goes off course. Heck you can't violate the airspace over
much of DC without getting jets scrambled and sent after. It was clearly
a planned exercise/and the planes hitting the towers were a look at the
wookie diversion from the actual cause of their free fall into their own
footprints/controlled demolition via nano thermite cutting charges on
the columns and big bombs in the basements of the buildings. There are
multiple reasons for the "exercise" one of which was to cover the
pilfering of three trillion dollars from the military budget by the
Bushes. The other was to institute the Patriot act which was already
written prior to the event and meant as a take down of the US
constitution, and the third was to get us into a perpetual war on
"terror" which would prove endless and a huge source of income for
Halliburton, KBR and The Carlyle group affiliates. In addition it was
also meant as a means to take down the US economy and make way for a one
world government. When you see these things happen, always ask the
question "who benefits" follow the money...
HVAC
"Grizzly" <No...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:awSNm.3545$cW....@newsreading01.news.tds.net...
>
> You have that right, false flags are waved in our faces to justify bloated
> military spending and perpetual warfare. It furthers David Rockefeller's,
> and David Rothschild's depopulation agenda.
Hahahahahaha!
> Kissinger espoused that early on during the Paris peace talks and at the
> United Nations and the Club of Rome saying that the agenda for third world
> countries should be one of depopulation through conventional war and germ
> warfare. They are now bringing the USA down to the level of a third world
> nation, they are also practicing the depopulation agenda here through the
> spread of engineered diseases, sonic weaponry and the poisoning of the
> planet spraying chemicals and biologicals on the unwitting populace below.
LOL!
>The future they seek for humanity is one of abject poverty and serfdom for
>the few they selectively breed for the purpose. Of course the elite who
>espouse contraception, abortion and mass murder for the general populace,
>don't practice what they preach on their own litters of brats.
Too funny dude!
> They always want more of everything for themselves so the quicker they do
> away with "surplus" humanity, the better in their twisted corrupt view of
> things. 911 was mass human sacrifice to their god Moloch.
BWAHAhahahaha!! This keeps getting kookier and kookier.
Andrew W and vtcapo probably have hard-ons reading this shit!
>The people who perpetrated it upon the US were none other than the bankers
>and politicians who held office at the time starting at the top. They are
>still pulling the strings on the current administration as they are
>draining our economy and sentencing our children and grandchildren to a
>life of perpetual slavery to the state..Fuck all of them!
Ya!! Fuck em!!
HVAC
>> -------------------------------------
> Cheney was in a NORAD command center that day running a "simulation" of
> planes striking the twin towers and the pentagon.
LOL!!
> He ordered our fighter jets to stand down.
So they disobeyed orders when they scrambled out of Otis?
> Normally fighter jets are scrambled when any commercial jet goes off
> course.
Who told you that?
> Heck you can't violate the airspace over much of DC without getting jets
> scrambled and sent after.
Another lie.
> It was clearly a planned exercise/and the planes hitting the towers were a
> look at the wookie diversion
Chewbacca was in charge of this diversion.
> from the actual cause of their free fall into their own
> footprints/controlled demolition via nano thermite cutting charges on the
> columns and big bombs in the basements of the buildings. There are
> multiple reasons for the "exercise" one of which was to cover the
> pilfering of three trillion dollars from the military budget by the
> Bushes.
That's awesome! Where do they come up with this kooky shit?
> The other was to institute the Patriot act which was already written prior
> to the event and meant as a take down of the US constitution,
Again I ask you.... Who told you this?
Was it that movie, 'loose change' ?
Or was it the revised-to-fit-the-facts verion 'looser change' ?
Andrew W
> Andrew W wrote:
>> Rex wrote:
>
>>
>> Jet fuel is basically kerosene.
>
> Well, duh. You make it sound as though fire was the only thing that
> brought it down. The jet fuel wasn't just poured there, it impacted at
> the cruising speed of an airliner..together with the airliner that
> contained it.
>
>> Whether or not it is an earthquake zone the buildings were designed
>> with a high redundancy of strength. Fires could not bring them down.
>> And the buildings did not fall down as soon as the planes hit. So
>> that wasn't the cause either.
>
> As I said, it wasn't just a fire. The buildings were definitely not
> designed for withstanding impact from a fully laden jetliner flying at
> maximum speed by a bunch of religious fanatics. The shock to the
> superstructure started collapsing the floors where the impact
> occurred..and as the falling portions gained momentum, the load
> bearing capability of the lower floors also was compromised, leading
> to a domino effect. You can see it in the videos too..the building
> literally implodes as the top collapses.
> The intensity of the fire, plus impact damage would prevent any
> sprinkler systems from working-and the intense heat would weaken (not
> melt) the steel core of the frame of the building- further
> accelerating collapse.
>
So what finally triggered the collapse to start? Buildings that strong
don't begin to collapse all of a sudden on their own.
If there was an earth quake at the same time then maybe that could happen.
Those buildings had a lot of redundancy of strength so a trigger was needed.
>>
>> So much so that they didn't even get to scramble the fighter jets?
>> In fact the jets were stood down from high up.
>
> I don't know about that..but what would the fighter jets do
> anyway-shoot them down?
>
They can force them to change course for a start.
>
> I was watching it live on TV- and the initial report seemed to
> suggest that it was an accident. Only when the second plane struck did it
> become clear it was an attack.
>
The tower lost contact with multiple planes. That is extremely suspicious.
>
> It's still interesting how Pentagon airspace was allowed to be
> breached, though.
>
> -------------------------------------
> TOWER: "Say position."
> PILOT: "Position."
> -------------------------------------
--
Andrew W
> "Grizzly" <No...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:W3VNm.3550$cW....@newsreading01.news.tds.net...
>>> -------------------------------------
>> Cheney was in a NORAD command center that day running a "simulation"
>> of planes striking the twin towers and the pentagon.
>
> LOL!!
>
Of course since you did zero research, all you have is opinions as usual.
>
>
>> He ordered our fighter jets to stand down.
>
>
> So they disobeyed orders when they scrambled out of Otis?
>
They allowed the jets to scramble only when it was too late.
Government Shill #2
How would they do that?
>> I was watching it live on TV- and the initial report seemed to
>> suggest that it was an accident. Only when the second plane struck did it
>> become clear it was an attack.
>>
>
>The tower lost contact with multiple planes. That is extremely suspicious.
The tower?
Andrew W
By going close to them.
>
>>> I was watching it live on TV- and the initial report seemed to
>>> suggest that it was an accident. Only when the second plane struck
>>> did it become clear it was an attack.
>>>
>>
>> The tower lost contact with multiple planes. That is extremely
>> suspicious.
>
>
> The tower?
>
Air control towers.
HVAC
>>> Cheney was in a NORAD command center that day running a "simulation"
>>> of planes striking the twin towers and the pentagon.
>>
>> LOL!!
>>
>
> Of course since you did zero research, all you have is opinions as usual.
>
>>
>>
>>> He ordered our fighter jets to stand down.
>>
>>
>> So they disobeyed orders when they scrambled out of Otis?
>>
>
> They allowed the jets to scramble only when it was too late.
LOL!! I love revisionist history. And YOU revise it on the fly!
--
"Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings."
Government Shill #2
<removethi...@optushome.com.au> wrote:
Why would going close to them make them change course? They are on a
suicide mission. They *plan* to crash. What is an F-15 flying close going
to do?
>>>> I was watching it live on TV- and the initial report seemed to
>>>> suggest that it was an accident. Only when the second plane struck
>>>> did it become clear it was an attack.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The tower lost contact with multiple planes. That is extremely
>>> suspicious.
>>
>>
>> The tower?
>>
>
>Air control towers.
Air control towers. Oh...
It might surprise you to learn that 99% of air traffic control is not done
from "air control towers". Air traffic control centres usual don't have
windows. Here's a picture of one:
http://www.cad.gov.hk/english/60th_images/cad23.jpg
and another:
http://www.austrocontrol.co.at/en/Images/ACC_NEU_2_tcm586-46183.jpg
another:
http://footflyer.com/Articles/JustForFun/AviationHumor/800px-AirTraffic-8_wikipedia.jpg
So... what is it that you find extremely suspicious about "the tower"
losing contact with multiple planes?
HVAC
"Government Shill #2" <gov....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:9khgg5h4s7dgp30ac...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> I don't know about that..but what would the fighter jets do
>>> anyway-shoot them down?
>>>
>>
>>They can force them to change course for a start.
>
>
> How would they do that?
They would say, in a very forceful voice, "CHANGE COURSE!".
Works every time.
>>> I was watching it live on TV- and the initial report seemed to
>>> suggest that it was an accident. Only when the second plane struck did
>>> it
>>> become clear it was an attack.
>>>
>>
>>The tower lost contact with multiple planes. That is extremely suspicious.
>
>
> The tower?
Boston control. FAA center Nashua, NH
--
"When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many
people suffer from a delusion, it is called Religion."
Government Shill #2
wrote:
>
>"Government Shill #2" <gov....@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:9khgg5h4s7dgp30ac...@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>> I don't know about that..but what would the fighter jets do
>>>> anyway-shoot them down?
>>>>
>>>
>>>They can force them to change course for a start.
>>
>>
>> How would they do that?
>
>
>They would say, in a very forceful voice, "CHANGE COURSE!".
>
>Works every time.
And if it doesn't work, they put on the blue flashing lights.
"Pull over pilot!"
>>>> I was watching it live on TV- and the initial report seemed to
>>>> suggest that it was an accident. Only when the second plane struck did
>>>> it
>>>> become clear it was an attack.
>>>>
>>>
>>>The tower lost contact with multiple planes. That is extremely suspicious.
>>
>>
>> The tower?
>
>Boston control. FAA center Nashua, NH
No. Apparently it was "Air control towers", don't ya know.
--
Shill #2
Ears on the loon go round and round, round and round, round and round...
theobviousgcashman
george
wrote:
If so use the correct terms
HVAC
>>
>>They would say, in a very forceful voice, "CHANGE COURSE!".
>>
>>Works every time.
>
>
> And if it doesn't work, they put on the blue flashing lights.
> "Pull over pilot!"
Next comes the spike strips. THEN you're in trouble!
> >>>>The tower lost contact with multiple planes. That is extremely
> >>>>suspicious.
>>>
>>>
>>> The tower?
>>
>>Boston control. FAA center Nashua, NH
>
>
> No. Apparently it was "Air control towers", don't ya know.
Specificity is not Andy's strong suit.
--
God said unto John, "Come forth, and receive eternal life.", but John came
fifth and received a toaster instead
BDK
gov....@gmail.com says...
I have the feeling a lot of kooktsrdic tap dancing is coming..
And laughter..
--
BDK..
Leader of the nonexistent paid shills.
Non Jew Jew Club founding member.
Former number one Kook Magnet, title passed to Iarnrod.
BDK
says...
>
> "Grizzly" <No...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:awSNm.3545$cW....@newsreading01.news.tds.net...
> >
> > You have that right, false flags are waved in our faces to justify bloated
> > military spending and perpetual warfare. It furthers David Rockefeller's,
> > and David Rothschild's depopulation agenda.
>
> Hahahahahaha!
>
>
Holy shit!
>
> > Kissinger espoused that early on during the Paris peace talks and at the
> > United Nations and the Club of Rome saying that the agenda for third world
> > countries should be one of depopulation through conventional war and germ
> > warfare. They are now bringing the USA down to the level of a third world
> > nation, they are also practicing the depopulation agenda here through the
> > spread of engineered diseases, sonic weaponry and the poisoning of the
> > planet spraying chemicals and biologicals on the unwitting populace below.
>
>
> LOL!
Let the kooktardery roll!!!
>
>
> >The future they seek for humanity is one of abject poverty and serfdom for
> >the few they selectively breed for the purpose. Of course the elite who
> >espouse contraception, abortion and mass murder for the general populace,
> >don't practice what they preach on their own litters of brats.
>
>
> Too funny dude!
>
>
> > They always want more of everything for themselves so the quicker they do
> > away with "surplus" humanity, the better in their twisted corrupt view of
> > things. 911 was mass human sacrifice to their god Moloch.
>
>
> BWAHAhahahaha!! This keeps getting kookier and kookier.
>
> Andrew W and vtcapo probably have hard-ons reading this shit!
I have to wonder, how many of the kooks are "closeted", you know, where
they keep their kooktardery hidden, on usenet and forums, but don't say
anything to their friends (I suppose some of them have them), relatives,
and family, due to fear of ridicule, or, quite logically, being forced
into treatment?
>
>
>
> >The people who perpetrated it upon the US were none other than the bankers
> >and politicians who held office at the time starting at the top. They are
> >still pulling the strings on the current administration as they are
> >draining our economy and sentencing our children and grandchildren to a
> >life of perpetual slavery to the state..Fuck all of them!
>
>
>
> Ya!! Fuck em!!
YEAHHHHHH!
Government Shill #2
>I have the feeling a lot of kooktsrdic tap dancing is coming..
>
>And laughter..
This particular kOOker seems to have become embarrassed and run away. Sad.
BDK
Rex
That's what I've been saying. There wasn't any time to scramble jets,
and if so, were they really going to shoot down a civilian airliner?
I won't claim to know about airspace restrictions, I was asking if there
were any.
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"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to
say it."
-- Francois Voltaire
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Hagar
>
> The Downing Street Memo is only the beginning of the proof we were all
> lied to.
>
> There is nothing new in a government lying to their people to start a war.
> Indeed because most people prefer living in peace to bloody and horrific
> death in war, any government that desires to initiate a war usually lies
> to their people to create the illusion that support for the war is the
> only possible choice they can make.
>
> President McKinley told the American people that the USS Maine had been
> sunk in Havana Harbor by a Spanish mine. The American people, outraged by
> this apparent unprovoked attack, supported the Spanish American War. The
> Captain of the USS Maine had insisted the ship was sunk by a coal bin
> explosion, investigations after the war proved that such had indeed been
> the case. There had been no mine.
< snipperoony >
So ... but when the Government tells us that we are causing Global Warming,
er ... Climate Change, that is the truth ????
Andrew W
Not exactly. However if you use the word 'contributing' instead then its
worth looking into because the amount of pollution that we're pouring into
the atmosphere and waters etc. can't be good.
The oxygen level in our atmosphere has dropped to about 18%.
Humans need at least 15% to live.
Thousands of years ago the level was up to 35%.
It has also been found that anywhere up to 100 species a year are becoming
extinct in recent times.
That can't be a natural occurrence.
Grizzly
> "Andrew W" <removethi...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
> news:4b08446a$0$2497$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>> Cheney was in a NORAD command center that day running a "simulation"
>>>> of planes striking the twin towers and the pentagon.
>>> LOL!!
>>>
>> Of course since you did zero research, all you have is opinions as usual.
>>
>>>
>>>> He ordered our fighter jets to stand down.
>>>
>>> So they disobeyed orders when they scrambled out of Otis?
>>>
>> They allowed the jets to scramble only when it was too late.
>
>
> LOL!! I love revisionist history. And YOU revise it on the fly!
>
>
>
the "empty of the George" Whitehouse, and the other one that launched
the missile that hit the pentagon
BDK
No...@nowhere.com says...
Positively pickled in kooktardery, aren't you?
HVAC
>>
>> So ... but when the Government tells us that we are causing Global
>> Warming, er ... Climate Change, that is the truth ????
>>
>
> Not exactly. However if you use the word 'contributing' instead then its
> worth looking into because the amount of pollution that we're pouring into
> the atmosphere and waters etc. can't be good.
> The oxygen level in our atmosphere has dropped to about 18%.
21% oxygen currently.
> Humans need at least 15% to live.
> Thousands of years ago the level was up to 35%.
Try hundreds of MILLIONS of years ago.
As a side note, this high % of free oxygen in the
ancient Earth's atmosphere allowed insects to
attain HUGE sizes. Like a dragonfly with a 48"
wingspan. Why, you ask? Well, because insects
don't have lungs and respire by taking oxygen
directly out of the air. This limits the size they can
attain.
--
Religion is the dreadful realization that someone, somewhere is having fun
Hagar
Well, for starters, we could stop chopping down any more trees.
But, there are the Sherpas in Nepal, who live at 14,000 feet in the
Himalayas, where the Oxygen concentration is probably much less than
at sea level and they seems to manage just fine ... wonder why that is ...
Rex
>>
>
> But, there are the Sherpas in Nepal, who live at 14,000 feet in the
> Himalayas, where the Oxygen concentration is probably much less than
> at sea level and they seems to manage just fine ... wonder why that is ...
>
>
That's good ol' evolution at work, they've adapted to high altitudes and
have genes that help increase oxygen intake.
(http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18333655)
Same way as a majority of East Asians are lactose intolerant, or
Caucasians have white skin due to living in temperate climates, or black
people are well, black due to originating from Africa!(and developing
skin pigmentation to safeguard against harsher sunlight)
If you notice the build- the Sherpas and the Inuit, who both live at
high altitudes/cold climes, have smaller and stockier bodies compared to
other people. Less body surface area=less loss due to heat.
There's all kinds of variations among peoples, another example is of the
Masai tribes on the Serengeti plains; they tend to grow to be extremely
tall, almost 7' in height.
Another thing- the Neanderthals who evolved and lived in Northern
Europe(unlike us, who evolved in Africa and migrated out), were also
very stocky and powerfully built; their bodies were adapted to the cold
climes during the Pleistocene Ice Age.
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Hagar
"Rex" <rexdudeREMOVEA...@liam.ur> wrote in message
news:heh1vt$tpj$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
My original point was that humankind can adapt to most conditions,
provided they occur gradually. If there is oxygen depletion, it'll take
some thousands of years before it reaches the critical point, from
today's point of view ... but humans will have adapted to it by then.
On the other hand, if we just continue removing the vegetation
which replenishes the Oxygen supply, we are doomed. Looks as
if the wakeup calls aren't heeded, though ...
Rex
>
> My original point was that humankind can adapt to most conditions,
> provided they occur gradually. If there is oxygen depletion, it'll take
> some thousands of years before it reaches the critical point, from
> today's point of view ... but humans will have adapted to it by then.
> On the other hand, if we just continue removing the vegetation
> which replenishes the Oxygen supply, we are doomed. Looks as
> if the wakeup calls aren't heeded, though ...
>
>
resources on the planet after all.
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Hagar
"Rex" <rexdudeREMOVEA...@liam.ur> wrote in message
Alas, that is the hypocrisy of the western world. The Chinese have
enacted a two child limit per family. However, our religious doofuses
will not even consider any form of family planning, since it goes against
the insane babblings of some dude named Gawd. However, mass
starvation is allowed, since no one really seems to have an issue with it
at the present time. Abortion, or "killing of the fetus", as they so
stoically
refer to it, is against their religion. However, sending fully grown
fetuses of to war to get them killed, seems to be authorized by that
same Gawd. It is amazing that these idiots, though they can see the hand
writing on the wall, still maintain that it is Gawd's will to irresponsibly
continue to reproduce like rabbits. When Gawd said: "Go forth and
procreate", he was talking to two people, Adam and Eve ... if there
really were a Gawd, he'd say: "enough already" ...
Rex
>
> Alas, that is the hypocrisy of the western world. The Chinese have
> enacted a two child limit per family. However, our religious doofuses
> will not even consider any form of family planning, since it goes against
> the insane babblings of some dude named Gawd. However, mass
> starvation is allowed, since no one really seems to have an issue with it
> at the present time. Abortion, or "killing of the fetus", as they so
> stoically
> refer to it, is against their religion. However, sending fully grown
> fetuses of to war to get them killed, seems to be authorized by that
> same Gawd. It is amazing that these idiots, though they can see the hand
> writing on the wall, still maintain that it is Gawd's will to irresponsibly
> continue to reproduce like rabbits. When Gawd said: "Go forth and
> procreate", he was talking to two people, Adam and Eve ... if there
> really were a Gawd, he'd say: "enough already" ...
>
>
I thought the population rise in the western world was due to immigrants
from Muslim countries, with their polygamy. Is there really an increase
in the population of existing people, who've been settled for 4 or more
generations?
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Behind every successful man is a woman, behind her is his wife.
-- Groucho Marx
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