BILL COOPER IS DEAD!
Norio H.
MILITIA LEADER KILLED, DEPUTY WOUNDED DURING ATTEMPTED ARREST
Associated Press/The Arizona Republic
Nov. 06, 2001 12:20:00
EAGAR - A national leader of the militia movement has been killed and an Apache
County sheriff's deputy wounded in a shootout, authorities said.
William Milton Cooper, 58, of Eager, had hosted a talk show broadcast on the
Worldwide Christian Radio out of Nashville, which receives it via phone from
his home in St. Johns. He had millions of listeners worldwide, including
Timothy McVeigh.
The deputy, whose name was being withheld by authorities, was shot twice in the
head while trying to arrest Cooper, a state Department of Public Safety
spokesman said today. Cooper was killed by another officer.
Several deputies were attempting to arrest Cooper, who was armed with a
handgun, said Officer Steve Volden, a spokesman for the DPS, which was
investigating the shooting.
He said details of the shooting would be released later today.
The deputy was in critical condition at a Phoenix hospital early today, Volden
said.
Cooper was one of the most widely known prophets of the "patriot movement,"
railing at the federal government and talking of doomsday omens in his radio
broadcast.
McVeigh, who was executed in May for the bombing of the federal building in
Oklahoma City, listened to Cooper's broadcasts for inspiration, according to
testimony by James Nichols, brother of Oklahoma bombing co-defendant Terry
Nichols during a 1996 pretrial hearing.
Like some other patriot leaders, Cooper refused to get a driver's license or
pay federal income taxes, saying he is willing to risk getting ticketed and has
found a legal way to avoid the taxes.
The patriot movement grew during the 1990s, fed by a series of news events -
the siege of Randy Weaver in Idaho, the raid on the Branch Davidians near Waco,
Texas and the signing of gun-control laws.
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My sympathies to Bill's wife and children.
Neykomi Lee
"Norio H." <nori...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20011106185327...@mb-fi.aol.com...
Sir Arthur C. B. Wholeflaffer A.S.A.
It is readily apparent that Mr. Cooper was
dispatched because of what he had figured out about
the WTO bombing. This adds considerable weight
to the proposition that the 9/11 attacks WERE an
inside job, pulled off by some so-called rogue
military, , intelligence community and corporate
faction.
Bill Cooper will be missed, but he
will NEVER be forgotten by those who
believe in real participatory democracy,
liberty and justice for all, and
a caring and concerned populace.
For that we must re-dedicate our
lives. To do so would be dishonorable.
Long live Bill Cooper's memory,
Arthur
In article <20011106185327...@mb-fi.aol.com>, Norio H. says...
Norio H.
My heart goes out to Annie and the children.
Somehow I had sensed that this would be the way he would die, and probably he
did, too.
For what he was to many different people, Bill certainly had an impact on our
lives.
I first met Bill back in 1989 when he gave his first presentation in West L.A.
at a group called UFORUM.
I was quite impressed then with his hypothesis on The Secret Government.
Later on, that same year, I was one of several individuals who helped organize
his first successful major public appearance, which was held at Hollywood High
School. The rest is history.
Bill was a totally different person then. He was much into UFOs then, although
by that time I was already promoting a hypothesis that the UFO phenomena had
nothing to do with "extraterrestrials" but was most likely a man-made deception
concocted,staged and manipulated by the powers that be to bring about certain
global agendas. A few years later I was quite surprised that Bill was also
starting to say the same thing.
Bill Cooper then distanced himself from the so-called UFO community and moved
to Arizona and got deeply involved in the "militia" movement.
Bill had a rough personality. To many, he was obnoxious. To many, he was
filled with self-aggrandizement. He alienated lot of people with his
uncontrollable alcoholism. But deep inside I believe that he was a good
person.
Despite his eccentrism, we must recognize that he did have a significant
impact on the world of conspiracy theories in this country, whether for good or
for bad.
My he rest in peace.
-Norio Hayakawa
Civilian Intelligence Network
http://www.hometown.aol.com/groom51s4
Art's Good Twin
to his country.
Too many of these so-called militia or posse or patriot guys have been in armed
standoffs with police. They have killed or wounded all sorts of peace officers.
They claim to be patriots, they claim they are not subject to US laws, they claim
they don't have to pay taxes. The so-called Freemen didn't want to pay taxes, but
they didn't hesitate to commit fraud with bad checks in an attempt to scam their
fellow citizens. Nice patriots.
This guy was not killed because of secrets he knew. He had guns, he resisted
arrest. If he wanted to stay alive, he needed to cooperate and have his day in
court. These militia guys use all sorts of boogie men, including the non-existent
NWO, the Trilateral Commission, and the UN, to drum up support among the rednecks
they preach to. The United Nations can't even keep a bunch of Afghanis from
overrunning their warehouses, you think they're going to take over the world?
You're a DOPE.
"Sir Arthur C. B. Wholeflaffer A.S.A." wrote:
> Thank you Norio for this update, as sad as it is.
> It is readily apparent that Mr. Cooper was
> dispatched because of what he had figured out about
> the WTO bombing.
Readily apparent to WHOM, you freaking moron? Where is the evidence for this
ridiculous statement, you boob? It's sad that the guy died, but it was
unnecessary. Do you have any proof whatsoever that he was murdered for something he
supposedly knew?
> This adds considerable weight
> to the proposition that the 9/11 attacks WERE an
> inside job, pulled off by some so-called rogue
> military, , intelligence community and corporate
> faction.
WHAT adds considerable weight to this preposterous idea? A guy with guns who
resisted arrest was shot, and this somehow proves that the terrorist attacks were
carried out by the military? You are a complete dummy.
> Bill Cooper will be missed, but he
> will NEVER be forgotten by those who
> believe in real participatory democracy,
These guys don't BELIEVE in participatory democracy. If they did, they'd pay their
damn taxes and follow the laws. Art, you are a complete moron, you distort the
truth, ignore evidence, never provide evidence of the idiotic things you say, and
lie like hell.
agent86
<nos...@newsranger.com> wrote:
>Thank you Norio for this update, as sad as it is.
>It is readily apparent that Mr. Cooper was
>dispatched because of what he had figured out about
>the WTO bombing.
Actually, it's readily apparent that Cooper was dispatched for
shooting (and seriously wounding) a deputy sheriff.
-
Evidently he has joined the esteemed ranks with "good injuns..."?
- regards
- jb
.
FlyFlag
assailant as some kind of hero to justify your twisted conspiracy ideas. You
absolutely make me sick. You are a disgusting pig.
"Sir Arthur C. B. Wholeflaffer A.S.A." wrote:
leighanimate
across America will be thinking, "Oooooo...McVeigh listened to this
guy...boy, it's a good thing he's dead."
http://www.worldzone.net/international/realitynews
jeff george
: You make me sick, "Sir Arthur." An officer is probably paralyzed,
That's Art for you. Doesn't matter that a cop was shot and seriously
wounded. He actually is slimy enough to reverse this story so that the
hero is the crook. He loves his own conspiraacy theories so much that
he'll discount a dead policeman because of a guy who actually thought that
the New World Order, which is made up of a bunch of invisible people, was
taking over the world and staged an attack on the USA.
As I recall, the
NWO was a bunch of Euros and the UN and G2 and so on and so forth. So the
blue hatted losers in the UN, the same guys who can't stop massacres or
handle their own police actions without begging help from the United
States, are supposed to invade these same United States, take guns away
from all the gun nuts, and put them in camps? THAT United Nations? Nice
emeny, Art. Your friends can't think of more credible threats than the
flaccid UN? I think an alien invasion is far more likely, and I'm not
banking on that anytime soon either.
It's a shot cop, Art. You don't respect that? You are a total loser. I
echo this guy, you make me sick.
--
jeff george
Sir Arthur C. B. Wholeflaffer A.S.A.
> - regards
> - jb
Indeed. The pigs and the disgusting useful idiots known
as UFO debunkers are cheering and applauding this
researchers death. Although that shouldn't surprise us,
it's always the debunkers that find glee in others
misfortunes. What really happened there we'll
never really know, but for some reason the debunkers
have already cracked the case and accuse Cooper
of being guilty of his own murder. Talk about a
kooky conspiracy theory, but debunkers leave no
crack-pot theory unturned. They are pathetic and should
be dismissed. In addition, it is obvious that they
are trolls and have no business on this newsgroup
about the alien presence.
Sir Arthur
Sir Arthur C. B. Wholeflaffer A.S.A.
says...
Indeed, written by spOoks, no doubt. And the low-level
operatives on this group are applauding his demise,
and that is wrong.
I seriously doubt we'll never know what happened today,
but I seriously doubt that Cooper would have resisted arrest
under normal circumstances. But if there is a video tape
of this, I think we should all view it with an open-mind
and make our decision accordingly. If Cooper broke
any rules in being arrested, those should be brought
to light. Our hearts go out to both the injured officer
and Bill Cooper. Sad to say, the debunkers and
hate-mongers on this group are glad to see
Mr. Cooper being shot and killed, and they
are disgusting pigs.
Sir Arthur
RDElephant
>echo this guy, you make me sick.
>
For the record, I agree that shooting cops is wrong (assuming that the cop
doesn't shoot first).
Does anybody know what the warrant was about or why it was being served now ???
As I understand it the guy could have been indicted at any time cause of his
tax views, wonder what the timing is about ???
Randy
Sir Arthur C. B. Wholeflaffer A.S.A.
>
>On or about Wed, 07 Nov 2001 04:15:17 GMT, FlyFlag
><fly...@flyflagit.com> wrote:
>
>>You make me sick, "Sir Arthur." An officer is probably paralyzed, but you paint his
>>assailant as some kind of hero to justify your twisted conspiracy ideas. You
>>absolutely make me sick. You are a disgusting pig.
>
Of course he should, I accurately predicted that the
State Dept. would accuse those whom they tried to accuse
in the OKC bombing, which they did. I predicted
that they would invade another country even
though none of the hijackers came from that
country, I was right again!! I suggested
that there would be a cover-up of some
very important information, I was right again.
In fact, I was right so many times, that
most uninformed people and even
some debunkers, were amazed at my
accuracy.
Without the work of honest civilian
researchers, this country would
be run by a totalitarian nazi-state,
and we are 99% there already.
Cooper knew that and now he's gone.
That's why his pal John Lear got out
of the field, he saw what was coming.
Sir Arthur
Sir Arthur
>
>FlyFlag (fly...@flyflagit.com) wrote:
>: You make me sick, "Sir Arthur." An officer is probably paralyzed,
>but you paint his
>: assailant as some kind of hero to justify your twisted conspiracy ideas.
>You
>: absolutely make me sick. You are a disgusting pig.
>:
>: "Sir Arthur C. B. Wholeflaffer A.S.A." wrote:
>
>That's Art for you. Doesn't matter that a cop was shot and seriously
>wounded. He actually is slimy enough to reverse this story so that the
>hero is the crook.
That's a lie, but that's what the Usenet is all about,
at least for you. My heart goes out to both the
injured officer and Bill Cooper, can you say the same?
Whatever Cooper's beliefs were, that's his business, I really haven't
followed the guy for about 10 years or so. If he was suspected
of some heinous crime, what were they and who is accusing him?
I know he may have had a drinking problem, if so, they
could've effected his judgement. I did think his book
was very loopy and highly speculative and in some
ways anti-Semitic.
George, it's obvious you are a troll, and you have not studied
the alien presence, or you are a spOOk put here
to disrupt these groups. And that is wrong.
I hope we find out about what really happened,
but since Cooper isn't here, we can never hear
his side of the story.
>jeff george
Art's Good Twin
> Indeed. The pigs and the disgusting useful idiots known
> as UFO debunkers are cheering and applauding this
> researchers death.
It doesn't seem to bust you up too bad that a policeman was shot up bad by your
hero.
> What really happened there we'll
> never really know,
You're right, we won't , but in the very next phrase you say you know anyway.
> but for some reason the debunkers
> have already cracked the case and accuse Cooper
> of being guilty of his own murder.
Murder? I thought you just got through saying we'll never know what happened.
If they were serving a legit warrant and he pulled a piece, it's not murder.
And although as you say we'll never really know, you claim to have cracked
the case and decided the "NWO" killed him. Hypocrite.
> Talk about a
> kooky conspiracy theory,
Son, that's all you ever do is talk about kooky conspiracy theories. It never
occurred to you that he might very well have simply resisted arrest, after
allegedly publicly stating that he'd go out shooting.
> but debunkers leave no
> crack-pot theory unturned.
Crackpot theories like alien hybrid breeding programs, the weak sister United
Nations coming to take over the country, underground alien bases, reverse
engineered UFOs, and all the other weirdo junk you create in your little pea
brain ?
> They are pathetic and should
> be dismissed. In addition, it is obvious that they
> are trolls and have no business on this newsgroup
> about the alien presence.
Another thing that has no business on this newsgroup about the alien presence is
all the off topic garbage you post, you shit-eating hypocrite.
You always mention these non-existent polls that claim the credibility of
"debunkers" is at an all time low. But you post nonsense like this. You think
you have any credibility outside your own little hovel, Sir Fartie?
Art's Good Twin
> Of course he should, I accurately predicted that the
> State Dept. would accuse those whom they tried to accuse
> in the OKC bombing, which they did.
No, you didn't. Liar.
> I predicted
> that they would invade another country even
> though none of the hijackers came from that
> country, I was right again!!
You twit ...... I will once again reference the book by Sir Admiral Hackett, excerpted in
Maxim magazine MANY months ago, which provided several educated scenarios in which
terrorists struck the USA, including NYC, and accurately predicted strikes on Afghanistan
and Osama Bin Laden. Many months ago. Oh gee, aren't you the psychic one.
> I suggested
> that there would be a cover-up of some
> very important information, I was right again.
> In fact, I was right so many times, that
> most uninformed people and even
> some debunkers, were amazed at my
> accuracy.
Really? First, what the hell coverup are you talking about, when did you post about it,
and WHEN did anybody here ever publicly post "Oh wow, Fartie, you were right?" It NEVER
HAPPENED, you liar.
> Without the work of honest civilian
> researchers, this country would
> be run by a totalitarian nazi-state,
> and we are 99% there already.
Oh sure. Nazis are checking IDs on every street corner, all the gun nuts are just about
rounded up, their guns melted down, and the re-education camps filled to the brim.
Paranoid idiot.
Art's Good Twin
> In article <tuherl6...@corp.supernews.com>, jeff george says...
> >
> >FlyFlag (fly...@flyflagit.com) wrote:
> >: You make me sick, "Sir Arthur." An officer is probably paralyzed,
> >but you paint his assailant as some kind of hero to justify your twisted
> conspiracy ideas.
> >You absolutely make me sick. You are a disgusting pig.
> >:
> >: "Sir Arthur C. B. Wholeflaffer A.S.A." wrote:
> >
> >That's Art for you. Doesn't matter that a cop was shot and seriously
> >wounded. He actually is slimy enough to reverse this story so that the
> >hero is the crook.
>
> That's a lie, but that's what the Usenet is all about,
> at least for you. My heart goes out to both the
> injured officer and Bill Cooper, can you say the same?
Suddenly you're filled with compassion for the fallen officer, after
multiple people here take you to task for praising a cop-shooting nut
while GLOSSING OVER the shooting of a cop to fulfill your goofy
conspiracy fantasies. Feeling the hear, Fartie?
> Whatever Cooper's beliefs were, that's his business, I really haven't
> followed the guy for about 10 years or so. If he was suspected
> of some heinous crime, what were they and who is accusing him?
> I know he may have had a drinking problem, if so, they
> could've effected his judgement. I did think his book
> was very loopy and highly speculative and in some
> ways anti-Semitic.
Wait a minute ....... in all your other posts, he's a hero, a true
patriot, a warm human being, and NOW, after all these people
burn your silly ass, he's loopy, he's a drunk, he's speculative
(which is a joke adjective coming from YOU), and you
haven't followed him for ten years. Said some
stupid shit, and now you're backing off. Lying hypocritical
coward.
Make up your mind, Fartie. Was he loopy, or a hero and patriot?
> George, it's obvious you are a troll, and you have not studied
> the alien presence, or you are a spOOk put here
> to disrupt these groups. And that is wrong.
Actually, I've been to his web site. I think he's done a helluva lot
more research than you've ever done.
> I hope we find out about what really happened,
> but since Cooper isn't here, we can never hear
> his side of the story.
You're right. But you'll make shit up anyway.
Sir Arthur C. B. Wholeflaffer A.S.A.
>Oh sure. Nazis are checking IDs on every street corner,
>all the gun nuts are just about
>rounded up, their guns melted down,
>and the re-education camps filled to the brim.
Thanks for the updates, I assumed it had come to this.
So everything I did predict was come true.
Sir Arthur
Sir Arthur C. B. Wholeflaffer A.S.A.
>
>Sir Arthur lies through his yellow teeth once again :
>
>> In article <tuherl6...@corp.supernews.com>, jeff george says...
>> >
>> >FlyFlag (fly...@flyflagit.com) wrote:
>> >: You make me sick, "Sir Arthur." An officer is probably paralyzed,
>> >but you paint his assailant as some kind of hero to justify your twisted
>> conspiracy ideas.
>> >You absolutely make me sick. You are a disgusting pig.
>> >:
>> >: "Sir Arthur C. B. Wholeflaffer A.S.A." wrote:
>> >
>> >That's Art for you. Doesn't matter that a cop was shot and seriously
>> >wounded. He actually is slimy enough to reverse this story so that the
>> >hero is the crook.
>>
>> That's a lie, but that's what the Usenet is all about,
>> at least for you. My heart goes out to both the
>> injured officer and Bill Cooper, can you say the same?
>
>Suddenly you're filled with compassion
And yet you never did answer my question.
and I'm sure your heart is filled with compassion
when citizens are shot by police also.
Debunkers are the worse hypocrites in the world,
they have been exposed as liars and deceivers.
Acting like a foul-mouth debunker,
similar to Phil Bull-Shit Klass, only
demonstrates how low debunkers
have fallen. And to think how low
they have fallen is really incredible.
But prove me wrong, tell me how
you have contriubed to this newsgroup,
besides spouting some crack-pot
conspiracy theories.
But I have no time left for
you and your hate-mongering debunkers.
- - - - -
Dr. Herman Oberth, the father of modern rocketry, is quoted as
saying in 1954, "UFOs are conceived and directed by intelligent
beings of a very high order, and they are propelled by distorting
the gravitational field, converting gravity into useable energy.
There is no doubt in my mind that these objects are interplanetary
craft of some sort. I and my colleagues are confident that they
do not originate in our solar system, but we feel that they may
use Mars of some other body as sort of a way station. They probably
do not originate in our solar system, perhaps not even in our galaxy."
Years later he was quoted as saying, "We cannot take the credit
for our record advancement in certain scientific fields alone.
We have been helped." When asked by whom, he replied,
"The people of other worlds."
Who Cares?
"Sir Arthur C. B. Wholeflaffer A.S.A." <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote in
message news:%A3G7.15539$xS6....@www.newsranger.com...
Not everything. Clinton hasn't revealed
his horns or tail yet.
Who Cares?
"RDElephant" <rdele...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> Does anybody know what the warrant was about or why it was being served
now ???
> As I understand it the guy could have been indicted at any time cause of
his
> tax views, wonder what the timing is about ???
It's just another "anthrax coincidence", Randy.
Art's Good Twin
"Bill Cooper will be missed, but he will NEVER be forgotten by those who
believe in real participatory democracy, liberty and justice for all, and
a caring and concerned populace. For that we must re-dedicate our
lives. To do so would be dishonorable."
So Fartie will miss him, never forget him, will re-dedicate himself. But
after some right-minded individuals busted his ass, he changed his tune.
"Whatever Cooper's beliefs were, that's his business, I really haven't
followed the guy for about 10 years or so. If he was suspected
of some heinous crime, what were they and who is accusing him?
I know he may have had a drinking problem, if so, they
could've effected his judgement. I did think his book
was very loopy and highly speculative and in some
ways anti-Semitic."
So Cooper will never be forgotten, but Sir Fartie obviously forgot him.
For ten whole years. But see, for a brief shining moment there, Cooper
fit Fartie's conspiracy theories. Until he didn't.
Yeah, it's a shame Cooper died. Sounds like he left a family behind.
That is just plain awful. It's also a shame a cop was shot and
seriously wounded. And then the tragedy of a dead man is compounded
by a kook using him in death.
You're pathetic, Fartie. You like him, you don't, you use him just the same.
Scumbag.
Art's Good Twin
> But prove me wrong, tell me how
> you have contriubed to this newsgroup,
> besides spouting some crack-pot
> conspiracy theories.
WHEN have I eve spouted crackpot conspiracy theories?
All I've ever done, besides commenting on legit UFO
items, is say what a moron you are. YOU are the one
with the conspiracy theories, like the NWO killing a guy
who shot a cop. Please, Fartie, name one lousy theory
I've EVER posted. Do a lookup on the archives, check out
google, find one theory of mine, you lying dirtbag.
Ralph Snart
Cooper on the radio, but he shot and wounded an innocent peace officer doing
his job. If Cooper wanted a public forum, he should have fought for his
beliefs in a court of law. Now any positive ideas (or crackpot ideas) have
died a useless death, and an innocent peace officer is critically wounded.
That will be Bill Cooper's epitath...
"FlyFlag" <fly...@flyflagit.com> wrote in message
news:3BE8A6F0...@flyflagit.com...
Sir Arthur C. B. Wholeflaffer A.S.A.
>WHEN have I eve spouted crackpot conspiracy theories?
Scum, dirtbad, traitor, liar, oops, those are your words.
Seriously, I've thought about why you have been
tasked to be on these groups. We have had
our share of spOOks, such as Adams, Borsch,
Echelon and others. But the new-age spOOk
is so foul-mouth, they must hate their assignments.
I figured out that the main reason you are here
is to try and discredit alien abductions, since
the ET agenda not only is still going on,
but appears to be accelerating. What do your
sources say, SpooK?
I can't agree with everything David Jacobs
writes in The Threat, although the bulk of it
is true. No doubt abductions and genetic
manipulation has been going on since
Day 1 of Modern Humans, that is easy enough
to prove.
Debunkers really have the kookiest conspiracy
theories: time-compressed crash-test dummies,
hedge hogs, temperature inversions? Really.
I know if you were writing this it would be your
time to use swear words, so let me re-post
the ones on top: Scum, dirtbad, traitor, liar, useful idiot.
By the way, abductions are a national and
global security threat, as far as that goes,
since those words really don't mean anything.
But at the very highest levels, what used to be
called MJ-12, they do take that very seriously.
Why do abductees see both military and abductees
together? The military says they have the
upper-hand and the ETs say they control
the military? What is the truth?
Mental Communication with Humanoid ETs
Gary W. White shares his experiences with us:
I have a UFO/alien experience that I would like to have researched, it's quite
different than most claims that I have heard so far. The aliens that I have been
dealing with and am in mental communication with are humanoid and look just like
us. The difference is they use 100% of the same brain we use 3-5% of. This post
is kind of long but I think that you will find it quite interesting. I have also
been allowed to take video footage of these crafts both in the sky and on the
ground to back up my claims. I have a web site with more info on UFO's, aliens,
my experiences, and samples of my psychic readings.
This manifestation began when I was twenty-five, however the extreme or unusual
part began when I was thirty-two years old. It began with an anxiety head-rush.
At the time I thought I was dying of a brain hemorrhage, stroke, something, and
it was a very frightening experience. I was forced into a meditative state while
lying in the back of my Chevy S-10 truck, the truck I lived in at the time.
During this first experience, I was shown mental pictures of myself in regards
to my self-esteem issues. I saw what was presented to me as a musical river of
creativity. I was shown how I myself have pulled songs that I have considered
original material from it. It was presented to me in a way that I could
understand how it came from this source, but came out of me changed, to my own
personal style. Well I worked with this source only when they put me through
this head-rush for about a year or so.
Then one night the head-rush came again and would not go away. It began to get
worse than it ever has, and again I thought I was dying. Again in the back of my
truck. Just when I thought it was going a little to far towards death it
instantly vanished, and I was being mentally spoken to by a spiritual energy of
some kind. Over the next three days, they spoke to me and through me. I would be
driving my truck and they would be talking to my friend Ashvin about his family,
friends, childhood, and even the Hindu culture back in India. I realized that
what I was doing was known as trance channeling, however I was not in a trance I
was in a fully conscious state of mind. Being a non-trusting sort of individual,
I take nothing at face value, but I asked many questions and evaluated their
intentions. They said it was all about the betterment of mankind. So now I had
to adjust to the realization that I was psychic. I adjusted to that deciding
that I would try to help people and do the right thing. Suddenly I had something
uplifting in my homeless life. They explained many things to my self, and others
around me.
However I didn't get much support, in fact I got a lot of talk going on behind
my back by the people I considered close friends, people I've known for ten to
fifteen years. Most suggesting that Gary the homeless man was loosing his mind.
This seriously hurt me, so now I am seeing another side to all of this. I am
truly lucky to have one friend of mine support me from the beginning. Ashvin
Sawhney! Ashvin grew up in Bombay India and was raised as a Hindu, and he really
went with it. He explained in their culture what I was doing was a common part
of life. Mostly practiced by disciplined Swami's and Monks. He has been around
fairly close to me through this entire experience.
Now after about another year or so of trying to survive in the back of my truck,
Ashvin was living in a homeless shelter in Riverside California, when he came
across the book Transformation by Whitley Strieber. He suggested that I do a
dream interpretation on one of Whitley's dreams, and send it to him. I did this
but it kept coming back in the mail. One day when I was reading Mr. Strieber's
book I looked up and saw what I thought looked like the outline of a saucer
shaped craft. I still did not catch on at that time. Well, I made my way back to
Northern California and was homeless when I went to the San Francisco Bay Area
to see a friend named Thad. We went to a place in the town of Fremont; up in the
hills to see the upside-down airplane contraption that I have visited before.
This are is like an unknown area 51. The reason I took this certain person is
that he is a Billy badass type, martial arts and all. I had been up there a
number of times before both in the day and at night, and every there is an
intimidating type guy with binoculars watching us, even what looked like
surveillance equipment. If you stayed to long, this guy would start after you.
It was a very intimidating situation, and I could not get anybody to stick
around, including my self. That is why I brought Thad to see if we could wait
for this guy to approach us, after all we were doing nothing illegal. On the way
there his radar detector started to constantly go off. When we got to this area
there was a weird light out in the field, I kept telling him it was a UFO. He
thought it was a trailer just like the guard was in. We waited about three
minutes when this guy came out of the trailer, and instead of coming towards us,
he went up a slight hill behind his trailer. We could see him moving by what
looked like a flashlight when he started after us. The feelings were too
intense, frightening, we had to leave. As we were going down this canyon road my
guides kept saying, he is still behind you. All of a sudden, there were green
lights following close behind us going down this road. When we got out of the
hills there was nothing around however my guides kept saying, he is still behind
you, but there was nothing there. My friend Thad decided it was late and he was
going to take me back to my truck when all of a sudden we see this top hat
shaped craft setting perfectly still about thirty feet above this house. We
drove down this cul-de-sac towards this craft and it just set there motionless.
We came to the end of this court and were no more than 50 to 100 yards away from
it. We got out of the car to look at it when it silently kind of half circled us
and then slowly took of in a northerly direction. At this point I'm not really
sure if we experienced time loss or what. I thought we took of after it, but all
I seem to remember is being on the same street in the same spot but now there
was this delta shaped craft about 30 to 40 feet above us. We were so close to
this craft we could hear the electronic hum. Now it took off once again really
fast and stopped and looked like the star we thought we were looking at. Well we
played this game with them for quite a while and at some point it seemed there
were six or seven of them. That night they showed me just about every type of
craft manifestation that I have seen on these TV videos. This experience went on
for three or four hours until the sun came up, and we seen it as the metallic
disc shaped craft popularly seen in Mexico. All of a sudden, it disappears. The
really unusual part is it came back to me every night for about the next four or
five months, and until this day I still see them on a very regular basis in many
forms, but mostly in a very subtle manner. However, they do make their presents
known to me. I have experienced missing time, and many examples of what other
abductiees experience. I have the scars on my body that I have read abductiees
have, and on the same places of my body.
Well I obviously started asking my spirit guides what it was all about, and they
told me. They told me the upside-down airplane is a docking station. They
explained to me that they were actually my spirit guides, and I could call them
Quientlax. They said they were not what are called the grays but humanoids that
look just like us, or any other for that matter. They said they were called the
Chenwae, just as we are called human. I have seen these beings on two different
occasions. Both of them at appointments that I had mentally set to meet them in
secluded areas. Let tell that not all of these appointments they have kept. Some
of them they kept in a very subtle or bazaar manner. The first encounter with
these humanoids was all about me facing my fears, and I set an appointment to
meet them in a secluded area. What I encountered was a bald person who also
claimed to be homeless, but he had a very expensive looking drum set up on his
trailer in the rain. I briefly spoke with him, and he claimed that the drum set
was an old set. Another thing that stands out about both these experiences is
the fact that it is the only two times I have lost my channeling abilities, and
the ability to think strait. The second of these humanoid encounters was on
Thanksgiving day 1998 I set an appointment to meet at the upside- down airplane,
one again to face my fears. When we arrived at the upside-down airplane we
waited at the gate me and my friend Ashvin watched some very unusual lights like
some sort of vortex. Then a very non intimidating little old oriental lady who
knew nothing of Quientlax walked out, I excused myself and we drove off. When we
pulled away we noticed five individuals once again playing very expensive
guitars in the rain. This rain and fog was so thick we could not drive faster
than two or five miles an hour. We stopped to talk to them, and once again my
channeling abilities were gone. I did manage to ask a couple questions this
time. One of them was what is this upside-down airplane about. One said it's a
military practice area, and they practice dropping supplies. Then another shouts
out it's a place were UFO's take off, and another says, that's what I heard. I
also asked if the rain would hurt their guitars. One claimed that he will just
tweak the truss rod. I have played guitar and bass for over eighteen years and I
know about adjusting a truss rod and it will do no good for water damage. Oh
yeah one of them also kept yelling they can't here me, they can't hear me.
I have been through an awful lot since then with these beings, with many
difficulties. I am no longer homeless, and their appearances still have not
stopped. I have been trying to get my psychic thing going with the help of
Ashvin Sawhney. I just got this computer and Internet from someone I really
impressed. The way that I got his attention, and have been successful with four
others was by mentally setting an appointment for them to appear in their
crafts. I know it all sounds to outrageous to be real, but it is the truth. I am
now having a hard time being laughed at and ridiculed, however there are also a
lot of people that I'm getting the attention of, doing psychic readings on the
internet for free. I am known as psychicman99 at www.askme.com and I think
things are changing my way. I do have very serious goal I want to accomplish,
and am to understand that I am involved in something very monumental.
Chesney Sponke
Weak, kook
jeezeus ! mark
<thomas...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>I have to agree. I have read 'Behold A Pale Horse', I liked listening to
>Cooper on the radio, but he shot and wounded an innocent peace officer doing
>his job. If Cooper wanted a public forum, he should have fought for his
>beliefs in a court of law. Now any positive ideas (or crackpot ideas) have
>died a useless death, and an innocent peace officer is critically wounded.
>That will be Bill Cooper's epitath...
of course......that is......if the "official" version of events is the
truth, hell.......can't you feel it in your bones ? The William Cooper
murder conspiracy has already begun.
If the powers that be really needed to subdue Bill Cooper couldn't
they have "darted" him with special ops? If they can dart a damn
Tiger that escapes the local zoo cage they can dart frickin' Bill
Cooper ! Just knowing how much of a martyr he'd make to the
Patriots is suspicion enough to question this entire operation.
Or maybe that is the very intention.......the NWO has been playing
their hand fast and reckless.....they want the Patriots to play
just as fast and reckless.....kinda like they don't realize that
the Patriots know how to "play the cards" dealt......
Yeah, Bill would have been the type to "fight" in a bogus court...
not.....he stood up to his word, he died like he said he would,
fighting and not taking any shit........
Didn't the press mention that he was running from his car, towards his
house WITH A WOODEN LEG turning and firing upon this officer and
subsequently striking him twice in the head ? Wow.........if that is
true I smell the biggest MARKSMANSHIP turd story i've ever heard !
Well, since Oswald's incredible bolt action speed loading adventure...
Drew
then Lee Harvey Osama now Lee Harvey Cooper. Amazing!!
In article <3be8e924.42818154@news-server>, jeezeus ! mark says...
Art's Good Twin
Fre...@liberty.com
posted:
>Actually, it's readily apparent that Cooper was dispatched for
>shooting (and seriously wounding) a deputy sheriff.
He Defended himself Exactly as he said he would many times over. as
in:
DON'T TREAD ON ME
If you're a Real American, you'll understand.
Fre...@liberty.com
>
>Sir Arthur C. B. Wholeflaffer A.S.A. <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote:
>> Long live Bill Cooper's memory,
>
>
> Evidently he has joined the esteemed ranks with "good injuns..."?
>
...and Good Americans.
Fre...@liberty.com
posted:
>You make me sick, "Sir Arthur."
Nowhere near as Nauseous you make me with your JackBooted Thug
WORSHIP!
>An officer is probably paralyzed,
Poor little JackBooted Thug, shot for trying to SCREW AN AMERICAN -
Stepped on a Rattlesnake - GOT BIT!!! Remember: DON'T TREAD ON ME???
>but you paint his
>assailant as some kind of hero
Bill Cooper IS a HERO, a TRUE BLUE AMERICAN HERO - his death while
Fighting for the Principles upon which this Nation was Founded
consummates that status.
>to justify your twisted conspiracy ideas.
The Conspiracies Exposed by Mr. Cooper are InDeed quite Real, and
they're being Implemented even at this very moment.
>You
>absolutely make me sick.
If you love JackBooted Despotic Thugs, then YOU'RE the one who's Sick.
Furthermore, if you're really such a cop-lover, then you should
Personally be making certain that they KNOW Exactly what their Oaths
of Office mean, and Require of them, that they KNOW the Constitution
for the United States of America, and the Principles upon which this
Nation was Founded lest they be UNABLE to do 'their jobs'!
Count on it that those JackBooted BASTARDS who Attacked Mr. Cooper had
little if any knowledge of what their Oaths of Office Required of
them, and most likely, COULDN'T CARE LESS!!!
Fre...@liberty.com
>I have to agree. I have read 'Behold A Pale Horse', I liked listening to
>Cooper on the radio,
I hope you found it helpful - I certainly did.
>but he shot and wounded an innocent peace officer doing
>his job.
No, a JackBooted Thug Operative for Tyranny Deliberately Stepped on a
Rattlesnake - and GOT BIT!!! Remember DON'T TREAD ON ME ? It's an
American Value, and Bill Cooper did more than talk about it, he lived,
and died Unwavering in his Adherence to such Principles.
>If Cooper wanted a public forum, he should have fought for his
>beliefs in a court of law.
They no longer exist. No more Rule of Law in this Once Free Country,
only the Despotism of OUTLAWS - and Bill Cooper Very Well Knew that.
>Now any positive ideas (or crackpot ideas) have
>died a useless death, and an innocent peace officer is critically wounded.
No such thing, and a badge-wearing SCUMBAG found more Trouble than HE
WAS *LOOKING FOR*.
>That will be Bill Cooper's epitath...
Don't you wish! Bill Cooper has been MARTYRED for the Principles upon
which this Nation was Founded, which NOT EVEN THE THREAT OF DEATH
COULD DETER HIM FROM ADHERING TO. He Always knew that this would
happen and said so many times on his broadcasts. He also said that
either way, Freedom WINS, and HE'S RIGHT!
--------------------------------------------------------------
It is in vain, Sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may
cry, Peace, Peace! -- but there is no peace. The war is
actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the North will
bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our breathren
are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it
that Gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or
peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and
slavery! Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course
others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me
death!
--- Patrick Henry - March 1775
--------------------------------------------------------------
Garrison Hilliard
I haven't thrown this blast from the past up lately, so...
>From: "Garrison
L. Hilliard" <aa3...@FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU>
>Subject: Majestic 12
>X-To: ske...@efn.org
>
>Here you go, folks, straight from my GT net echo to you...
>
>
>THE SECRET GOVERNMENT
>The Origin, Identity, and Purpose of MJ-12
>By Milton William Cooper
>May 23, 1989
>
Oh, GACK! William Cooper! The _one_ UFOlogist who is nearly
universally _condemned_ by other UFOlogists! Incoherency
Incarnate! The
Object O'Scorn among those of us who pay attention to the Fringe!
How's he doing?
Actually, this is a nice excuse to circulate the following--
my
_Humanist_ column for November-December 1992. It was one of the few
times I
got into a classic "skeptic" topic, I had a lot of fun writing it, and
I
hope y'all like it. (Please post your praise publicly; it's good for
my
ego.)
Hangin' with Zontar at the Grassy Knoll, or,
Greyz N the Hood
by Brian Siano
_ Hath not an alien eyes? Much in the likenesses of children
found on
black velvet? Hath not an alien hands, vestigal organs, multiple
dimensions,
senses, and passions? Do we not look like praying mantises? If you
prick us,
do we not bleed purple dripping ichor? If you wrong us, shall we not
abduct
you?. . . I demand my pound of flesh, a few unfertilized eggs and
semen
samples, and maybe a couple of heifers from Colorado to pass the
time._
Ignatz Shakespeare, "The Merchant of
Venus"
Aliens have to put up with a lot of prejudice. Even UFOlogists
call
them "the Greys" because of their skin color-- they don't even _try_
to use
the more politically correct "Ashen-Americans." I'm sure you've heard
the
stereotypes before; _All_ aliens abduct people for medical
experiments.
_All_ cattle mutilations are done by aliens. Those Greys are _taking
over_
our country with their superior technology. Their spacecraft are
smaller,
faster, and more fuel-efficient than ours. The Greys are crafty,
sinister,
telepathic, inscrutable, and they all look alike. The Greys want our
_women._ The Greys use the blood of Christian babies to make matzoh
bread,
hide subliminal messgaes on Metallica albums, eat dogs and cats, and
secretly run the world through the Rothschild banks.
But the situation has gotten so bad that UFOlogist Wendelle C.
Stevens (USAF ret.) recently felt the need to write an article for
_International UFO Library Magazine_ titled, "All 'Greys' Are Not
Reticulans." It seems that ". . . most of the 'greys' are actually
coming
from someplace else and are not Reticulans at all. The true Reticulans
are
being erroneously blamed for the misdeeds of all those others, some of
whom
seem to be involved in the ET genetic experiments now being reported
more
and more."
Stevens complains that when Budd Hopkins was assembling his
book
_Intruders_, he was "pre-selecting" cases where Grey-like aliens were
involved. Turns out that all of the visiting types of aliens were
performing
these experiments, but the Greys from Zeta 1 and Zeta 2 Reticuli-- the
ones
contacting Bill Herrmann of Charleston, South Carolina, at least--
were NOT.
Now, if this strikes you as splitting hairs (although it could
be
important to the apparently-snobbish Zeta Reticulans), you can imagine
just
how many UFO-contact theories are zooming around out there. So let's
take a
look in the UFO Coverup Conspiracy and Wish-Fulfillment Paranoia
pool. I
stuck a toe in that pool, and walked away feeling like I'd been dunked
into
a vat of sewage effluents. This metaphorical pool is stagnant, fetid,
murky,
and chock full of grotty bottom-feeders scrounging amongst themselves
for a
tasty bit of phlegm. So we'll have to be content with culturing a
sample or
two of the most _outr_ growths-- but let's make sure we keep the
things in
the glove box, and store them at Absolute Zero.
_"Well it had been 987 years in outer space time when I got back,
Couldn't seem to find any of my friends to tell my interesting stories
to"_
-- The B-52's, "Is That You,
Mo-Dean?"
Twenty-five years ago, UFOlogists speculated as to whether the
government really did take UFOs seriously, and might be concealing its
real
and substantial interest. These days, most UFO coverup theories
_begin_ with
the crashed-saucer-recovery story in William Moore and Charles
Berlitz's
1980 book _The Roswell Incident_. According to the authors, the
government
recovered saucer wreckage and four bodies from a crash at Roswell, New
Mexico, and they've been keeping it a secret since 1947. The authors'
previous books do not inspire confidence. Berlitz wrote a discredited
study
on the Bermuda Triangle, and Moore was previously known for his book
_The
Philadelphia Experiment_.
And between three books on the subject, there's not a lot of
agreement. There was either one crash with four bodies (Moore), one
crash
with three bodies and one survivor (Kevin Randle and Don Schmitt, _UFO
Crash
at Roswell_), or _two_ crashes, 150 miles apart, one with four bodies
and
the other with three bodies and one survivor (Stanton Friedman and Don
Berliner, _Crash at Corona_, to be published). Given the above
confusion,
it's not surprising that photos of the collected debris are claimed to
be
the 'actual' debris in Moore's book, and _faked_ wreckage in Randle's.
Problem is, the debris pictured looks like a kite made of tinfoil.
Now, let's add the further confusion of the MJ-12
papers. (This is
pretty condensed, so follow this carefully.) In 1987, William Moore
received
what appeared to be Top Secret papers that outlined the formation of a
high-level commission called Majestic-12, to study the recovered
wreckage
from _one_ crash in 1947. The papers, if authentic, would have been
the
'smoking gun' supporting accounts of a crashed-saucer cover-up. UFO
debunker
Philip Klass turned up a lot of anomalies in the documents-- for
example, a
signature of Harry Truman was _exactly_ like another, authentic Truman
signature, and showed signs of apparent Xerox-doctoring. Friedman has
endorsed their authenticity, even though they mention only _one_
crash--
conflicting with his compromise two-crash scenario. Moore, on the
other
hand, threw the whole fire-and-boat drill into a tizzy when he
announced at
the 1989 Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) conference that he'd served as a
government misinformation agent, feeding false data to other
UFOlogists.
Currently, the various crashed-saucer camps are calling each other
names in
a three-way standoff. And they don't like Phil Klass a whole lot,
either.
Remember, this is the _less_ extravagant end of UFO coverup
theories. These are the _serious_ researchers whose books are
published by
major companies, who get substantial grants from UFO research
organizations,
and who are featured speakers at UFO conferences. These are the
_respectable_ UFO coverup researchers. Just keep telling yourself
that.
_"While cruising through the ionosphere, I saw these alien beings.
Everywhere I went up there, they were shakin' their alien things."_
-- The B-52's, "Cosmic
Thing"
Moving on to the slightly more. . . _baroque_ factions, we
come
across Bob Lazar, who turned up late last year on KLAS-TV in
Nevada. Lazar
claims to have worked for the U.S. Navy at a lab in Los Alamos, and
was
regularly shuttled to an area designated S-4. At S-4, Lazar was
permitted to
check out the latest in alien-derived technology-- at least nine
flying
saucers using 'gravity-wave drives' powered by antimatter reactors
which use
a theoretical Element 115. Lazar has a fertile imagination for such
things
as candles that don't burn or melt under distorted gravity, and
playfully
bouncing golfballs from a repulsion field.
Researchers for the ParaNet computer network, however, were
unable
to confirm many of Lazar's claims. Beyond a phone book listing, a
newspaper
article about jet cars, and a W-2 form that anyone could've filled out
at
the public library, Bob Lazar the Government Physicist seems never to
have
existed. George Knapp of KLAS-TV says that "We did a lot of checking
on him
and found interestingly enough that his life was disappearing around
him. .
. We called Los Alamos Labs and they said they never heard of him. We
called
MIT where he says he went to school and they had never heard of
him. We
called for his birth records and they had disappeared. . . as if
someone was
trying to make him a non-person." Most journalists, faced with this
lack of
substantiation, would figure Lazar was yanking someone's chain. Knapp
put
him on the news.
Other problems in Lazar's story turn up. In a KLAS interview,
describing the dissection of an alien body-- yep, those pesky Greys
from
Zeta Reticuli again-- Lazar says that the insides seemed to be "one
large
organ, as opposed to identifiable heart and lungs," and follows this
by
saying how the pathologist catalogued and weighed the _individual_
organs.
Paranet has also circulated criticisms of the wonky gee-whiz
gravity-bends-space-and-time physics Lazar describes. It _sounds_
quasi-Einsteinian to the layman, but Lazar trips up on details-- for
example, antimatter is _not_ made by bombarding matter with protons,
let
alone a theoretical Element 115, which can only form within stars.
Lazar wishes to keep his distance from the debates of the UFO
community. This is understandable, considering who brought him into
the
circus.
Who is Killing the Guernseys of Colorado?
The man who brought Lazar to KLAS was John Lear, son of the
Learjet's developer. He maintains that not only does the government
have
_forty_ saucers stashed away, but they've got anywhere from 25 to 100
alien
bodies in cryogenic storage, three living aliens in custody, and a
long-standing "business deal" with the Space Brothers, "having been
duped
into thinking they were making some kind of agreement in which we
traded
permission to abduct humans in return for super-advanced technology."
Lear's Laundry List of established 'facts' includes: secret
U.S.
military bases on the Moon and Mars; there are Martians, but they look
just
like us; there are at least 70 different species of aliens visiting
Earth,
engaging in abductions and cattle mutilations; there are secret alien
bases
underground in Nevada; AIDS was developed by an "R.M. Donner" for the
Navy
between 1969 and 1972; John Lennon, Charlie Chaplin, and Pee-Wee
Herman,
among others, were 'killed or destroyed' by the CIA; and man was
developed
by aliens to be a 'container' for "physical matter, blood, enzymes,
hormones, souls, thoughts, emotions. . . all of it engineered,
multiplied,
grown, harvested, and processed by a higher entity, and their
licensees. . .
At the end of the corporeal life of the container, the soul is
extracted and
either stored for future use or reintroduced into a fetal
container. To what
purpose? It's probably none of our business anymore that it's a cow's
business what they are here for.If you have wondered why the
government has
never come clean on the subject of flying saucers, maybe you should
consider
why we never take the trouble to brief cows on the reason for their
existence."
I'd love to hear the bedtime stories he tells his kids. But
perhaps
the _real_ core of Lear's hypothesis rests on one big assumption; all
of the
rest of us are ignorant, ill-educated sheep. Doubt his tale of the
development of AIDS? You're likely to be told that "If this sounds
unbelievable, this is because there are a number of things you don't
understand about world population growth versus food consumption. The
reason
you don't understand these things is you have not been fed this type
of
information because it's none of your business. And if you still think
you
have a government by the people and for the people, you are as
ignorant as
you are misinformed." Wonder how the government could keep such a
thing a
secret all these years? "Well, if you truly believe that the
government
can't keep a secret when it wants to, then you are worse than
terminally
ignorant. You are willfully ignorant."
Then Lear plays his trump card. "Find a friend in an aerospace
related government project. Ask him this question that will not in any
way
compromise his oath of security. Ask him, 'Would you bet your life
that John
Lear is wrong?'" I think most people can find more important things to
bet
their lives on.
I can guess at least one question you might have at this
point; "How
extreme can this stuff get before _someone_ decides enough's
enough?" When
UFOlogists claim not only to have determined different species of
aliens,
which star systems they've come from, and what their technology is
like, and
where their underground bases are, one can't help but wonder if maybe
there's a limit. Imagine a story so outrageous even the _Weekly World
News_
wouldn't print it. Imagine, perhaps, a UFOlogist who's managed to
throw
nearly every shred of credibility he has to the four winds.
_ "They're good fine people, Stuart, But they don't know what the
_queers_ are doing to the _soil_. . . The government says it's bad
farming,
but I know it's the queers. They're in it with the aliens. They're
building
_landing strips_ for _GAY MARTIANS! I SWEAR TO GOD!_ You know what,
Stuart?
I _like_ you."_
-- The Dead Milkmen,
"Stuart"
Which brings us to William Cooper.
Even other UFOlogists say "Enough!" at this point. Cooper made
his
first appearance on Paranet, and administrator Jim Speiser has since
barred
Cooper from posting material onto the system. Budd Hopkins wrote "The
Paranoid Temptation" for the _MUFON Journal_, specifically denouncing
Cooper. James Moseley's _Saucer Smear_ calls Cooper's and Lear's
claims
"wild ravings," and Jerome Clark of _International UFO Reporter_ uses
the
phrase "lurid pulp fantasies." _UFO_ magazine attacked Cooper in its
"Whistleblowers" column; editor Vicki Cooper (no relation) recently
wrote an
article about fascist trends in UFO imagery and claims, citing
Cooper's use
of the anti-Semitic _Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion_ in his
recent
book _Behold a Pale Horse_.
According to a lecture delivered at the 1989 _Whole Earth
Expo_,
Cooper's yet another former military man who's been seeing UFOs and
UFO-related stuff throughout his career; aircraft carrier-sized
spaceships
emerging from the ocean depths, for example, or 'enemy helicopters'
abducting whole villages in Vietnam. You know, the _usual_. Lesser men
would
have shrugged such things off as being merely "spooky," or "a
coincidence,"
but Cooper immediately realized that Something Was Going
On. Eventually,
Cooper claims, he was given "Top Secret Magic" clearance, where he
dealt
with "answers to questions which you didn't know what the questions
were so
you really didn't know what the message was all about." Uh-huh.
Suddenly Cooper was dealing with all sorts of UFO coverup
stuff--
crashed saucers recovered by the Nazis in 1936, "Operation Majority,"
Project GRUDGE, MAJI, SIGMA, PLATO, AQUARIUS, GARNET, POUNCE, SNOWBIRD
and
REDLIGHT, the test flights of captured UFOs in Nevada, the real moon
landing
in 1962, the alien creation of Jesus and four major religions, and
lots,
lots more. Cooper out-Majestics the other conspiratologists by
presenting
the Jason Society, top secret people from the Manhattan Project, Nobel
prizewinners, and people from the Council on Foreign Relations, who
were
appointed to figure out the alien technology. He also maintains that
Whitley
Streiber's book _Majestic_ was based on authentic government
documents-- and
that Streiber, along with William Moore, is a government
agent. (Streiber,
by the way, was so angered by obnoxious UFO proponents that he turned
away
from the whole movement.)
It's part of the effort to weaken our moral fiber and get us
used to
the existence of aliens, Cooper sez. At a 1989 conference in Modesto,
Cooper
maintained that the actors on the TV series _Alien Nation_ were _real_
aliens, whom he designated "Orange." This cultural saturation effort
is
funded in large part through drug money; Cooper says that the "Project
Grudge" documents from the early 1960's specify that George Bush would
use
Zapata Oil's drilling platforms as smuggling centers. And when
President
Kennedy ordered MJ-12 to stop their drug running, the Bilderbergers
ordered
him killed. Or, in Cooper's words at the _Whole Earth Expo_ talk;
"President Kennedy was killed by the driver of his car, his
name was
William Greer, he used a recoilless, electrically operated,
gas-powered
assassination pistol that was specially built by the CIA to
assassinate
people at close range. It fired an explosive pellet which injected a
large
amount of shellfish poison into the brain, and that is why, in the
documents, it stated that President Kennedy's brain was removed. If
you've
studied the case, you will find that indeed his brain disappeared. The
reason for that is so that they would not find the particles of the
exploding pellet or the shellfish poison in his brain which would have
proved conclusively that Lee Harvey Oswald was NOT the assassin. In
fact,
Lee Harvey Oswald never fired a shot, he was the patsy."
And a year later, at the 1990 _Expo_: "[MAJESTY TWELVE] is the
secret government, which controls the alien technology and the Defense
Industrial Complex. Who report to the Royal Institute of
International
Affairs in London. Who reports to the Rothschild family, who owns the
Bank
of England and who owns, ladies and gentlemen, the FEDERAL RESERVE OF
THE
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA." UFOlogists who disagree with Cooper are
part of
the disinformation campaign, and L. Ron Hubbard's in on it as well,
since
Scientology teaches about extraterrestrials. Cooper claims Hubbard
worked
for the Office of Naval Intelligence, and that a former associate of
his had
founded the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, _pretty damn strange, huh?_ And
as
the Council on Foreign Relations is planning to 'depopulate' two
billion
people by the year 2000, and the dark night falls upon the globe, the
smiler
with the knife roams the alleyways of our souls and we await with
shuddering
dread the whisper of the truncheon above our heads--
_AAAAAGGGGHHHHH!! ENOUGH! STOP!_ Jesus, do you people know
what it's
like to slog _through_ this shit? Forty-five-page rants about how a
rival
UFOlogist is a mother-grabbing, father-raping whoremonger? The
whoremonger's
reply that the first guy is a coke-snuffling Communist
degenerate? Their
followers apologetically claiming that the more embarrassing screeds
are CIA
disinformation?
I'm only exaggerating _slightly_; I assembled a lot of Cooper
and
Lear material for this article, but it's mostly umpty-ump-page rants
about
how other UFOlogists-- usually the ones who dare criticize Cooper--
are
government disinformation agents. His lectures have included rococo
accounts
of analyzing videotapes of John Lear for careful 'body analysis' and
'voice
descrambling.' At one point, according to _UFO_ magazine, Cooper
accused Bob
Lazar of dealing in drugs and prostitution; Lazar has admitted on a TV
show
that he'd written software to manage a bordello (which is no big
deal), but
the 'drug dealing' part seems to be based on a reference to Lazar's
jet-car
hobbies and a 'speed lab' where he makes the fuel. There must be a
market
for this stuff; UFO conspiratologist Lars Hansson is selling a 300+
page
compendium of documents detailing his wars with Lear and Cooper-- whom
he
initially _believed_. You people don't know how _ugly_ this stuff can
get;
it's like watching wasps crawl on an infant's cheek.
Maybe you can't blame the UFO-conspiracy theorists for such
extremes. After all, they claim they're onto the Most Important News
Story
of All Time, and they face the obstacles of government surveillance,
harassment, and misinformation. But I have a hard time believing that
even
the _respectable_ UFO coverup researchers could track down their own
shoelaces, especially when we put these 'investigative' efforts into
their
proper context.
William Greider's _Secrets of the Temple_ detailed the
operations of
the Federal Reserve, and his _Who Will Tell the People?_ managed to
explicate a maddeningly complex story of nationwide financial
mismanagement
and ruin. Robert Caro's _The Power Broker_ described how Robert Moses'
Triborough Authority ran the complex politics of New York City for
more than
forty years. Even events which could be considered government
'cover-ups'
can be examined substantially and in detail; its complicity in the
drug
trade was examined in Alfred McCoy's _The Politics of Heroin_, and Tim
Weiner was able to outline the Pentagon's "black budget" in _Blank
Check_.
And as far as government malice towards whistleblowers goes, John
Stockwell
(_In Search of Enemies_) and Philip Agee (_CIA Diary_) got published
in
spite of lengthy government harassment efforts. Solzhenitsyn even
managed to
get _The Gulag Archipelago_ published.
If the government really was keeping the aliens in storage,
there's
_no_ legitimate excuse for not having uncovered the story in complete
and
convincing detail by now-- unless, maybe, there's no story to be
uncovered.
Compared to the above examples of substantial journalism, even the
more
respected UFO-Coverup investigators sound like children playing Junior
G-Man, with secret decoder rings, hidden military bases and
'misinformation
agents.'
-30-
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Fre...@liberty.com
posted:
>Notice how they threw the whole McVeigh thing in there. Sheeple all
>across America will be thinking, "Oooooo...McVeigh listened to this
>guy...boy, it's a good thing he's dead."
>
>http://www.worldzone.net/international/realitynews
What the Ministry of Propaganda Deliberately Failed to mention was
that while Cooper met McVeigh, he Flatly Refused to assist McVeigh
after he asked Cooper for help in plans for 'something big' which he
failed to divulge details of.
The Ministry of Propaganda also Deliberately Failed to mention that
upon his hearing that McVeigh was planning 'something big' in OKC,
Cooper Warned McVeigh that if his plans resulted in anyone getting
hurt, that the Militia would track McVeigh down and bring him, and any
accomplices, to Justice.
Andrew Carol
wrote:
> The Ministry of Propaganda also Deliberately Failed to mention that
> upon his hearing that McVeigh was planning 'something big' in OKC,
> Cooper Warned McVeigh that if his plans resulted in anyone getting
> hurt, that the Militia would track McVeigh down and bring him, and any
> accomplices, to Justice.
What exactly are the law enforcement powers of the militia granted by
the Constitution?
Could the have militia cross State lines to "bring him to justice"?
--- Andy
Fre...@liberty.com
posted:
>Too many of these so-called militia or posse or patriot guys have been in armed
>standoffs with police.
In a POLICE STATE, such as the one we now Suffer, such situations are
Inevitable. Not only that, their ESCALATION is Inevitable.
>They have killed or wounded all sorts of peace officers.
What "peace officers"? These are Trained Attack Dogs, JackBooted
Thugs, Badge-Wearing SCUMBAG Treasonous Traitors Masquerading as
Public SERVANTS while in Reality Seeking to be MASTERS, Far OUTSIDE of
the Law and the Oaths of Office which they've Sworn. In other words,
OUTLAWS.
>They claim to be patriots, they claim they are not subject to US laws, they claim
>they don't have to pay taxes.
*READ* THE CONSTITUTION - AND *KNOW* FOR YOURSELF - IF YOU DARE!!!
WE HAVE!!!
>The so-called Freemen didn't want to pay taxes, but
>they didn't hesitate to commit fraud with bad checks in an attempt to scam their
>fellow citizens. Nice patriots.
Which has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with Bill Cooper.
>This guy was not killed because of secrets he knew.
No, not for what he knew, for what he was Exposing, and was about to
Expose.
>He had guns, he resisted
>arrest.
And with DAMN GOOD REASON. Our Nation's Founders did Precisely THE
SAME THING!!!
>If he wanted to stay alive, he needed to cooperate and have his day in
>court.
HE WANTED FREEDOM AND LIBERTY, AND JUSTICE - MORE THAN LIFE ITSELF!!!
Now, What do YOU Want, and WHAT will you SACRIFICE in its Pursuit???
That goes for EVERYONE ELSE TOO!!!
>These militia guys use all sorts of boogie men, including the non-existent
>NWO, the Trilateral Commission, and the UN, to drum up support among the rednecks
>they preach to.
The Enemy themselves, on whose behalf you Vainly Attempt
Damage-Control, have Already Admitted to their Involvement in the
Pursuit of a New World Order.
>The United Nations can't even keep a bunch of Afghanis from
>overrunning their warehouses, you think they're going to take over the world?
No, I don't think they're going to take over the world, even though
they Most Certainly Plan to, because American Patriots/Militia WILL
STOP THEM COLD IN OUR THRID CIVIL WAR, ALREADY BEGUN.
>> Thank you Norio for this update, as sad as it is.
>> It is readily apparent that Mr. Cooper was
>> dispatched because of what he had figured out about
>> the WTO bombing.
>
>Readily apparent to WHOM, you freaking moron?
Apparent to ANYone who has listened to Bill Cooper's broadcast, the
Hour Of The Time, READ his book; Behold A Pale Horse, and studied ANY
extent of human History and particularly the History of this Nation.
>Where is the evidence for this
>ridiculous statement, you boob?
IT'S RIGHT THERE, NEXT TO YOUR WHITE CANE!
>It's sad that the guy died, but it was
>unnecessary.
With Despots, death is Always Necessary - they Demand that Blood be
Sacrificed to their Tyranny. And as Thomas Jefferson said:
And what Country can Preserve its Liberties, if its rulers
are not Warned from time to time that this people Preserve the
spirit of Resistance? LET THEM TAKE ARMS ... The Tree of
Liberty Must be Refreshed from time to time, with the Blood of
Patriots and Tyrants...
Do you have any proof whatsoever that he was murdered for something he
>> This adds considerable weight
>> to the proposition that the 9/11 attacks WERE an
>> inside job, pulled off by some so-called rogue
>> military, , intelligence community and corporate
>> faction.
>
>WHAT adds considerable weight to this preposterous idea?
Study the History of this Country and SEE!
>A guy with guns who
>resisted arrest was shot, and this somehow proves that the terrorist attacks were
>carried out by the military? You are a complete dummy.
ONLY a Dummy would Fail to recognize the Signature Hallmarks of
Tyranny.
>> Bill Cooper will be missed, but he
>> will NEVER be forgotten by those who
>> believe in real participatory democracy,
>
>These guys don't BELIEVE in participatory democracy.
Democracy is Dangerous to Liberty. The Founders Well Knew this Fact,
which is Why they Founded a participatory Constitutional Republic.
>If they did, they'd pay their
>damn taxes and follow the laws.
They do.
-----------------
LIBERTY OR DEATH!
-----------------
NO_2675
give us all some time to actually get to *reading* it first...
On Wed, 07 Nov 2001 13:41:28 GMT, Art's Good Twin <nob...@nowhere.com>
wrote:
NO_2675
>posted:
>>These militia guys use all sorts of boogie men, including the non-existent
>>NWO, the Trilateral Commission, and the UN, to drum up support among the rednecks
>>they preach to.
Non-existent?!... WTF is this guy talking about.
jeezeus ! mark
Which is why they don't hire anyone with more than a double digit
IQ.......there was a local story about a guy who applied to be a
cop and was rejected because he scored a 122 on the IQ test.....
....they figure those will be the ones to question orders when they
see a violation of their oaths......
jeezeus ! mark
Sure.....citizen's arrest, bounty hunter tactics, happens every day...
Andrew Carol
<marx...@cinci.rr.com> wrote:
But is that a constitional role of the militia?
If a milita were to 'offically' cross State lines I would imagine they
suddenly fall under the pervue of the Congress.
If they do so as private citizens then why are we talking about milita?
--- Andy
baloney
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2001 04:15:17 GMT, FlyFlag <fly...@flyflagit.com>
> posted:
>
> >You make me sick, "Sir Arthur."
>
> Nowhere near as Nauseous you make me with your JackBooted Thug
> WORSHIP!
>
> >An officer is probably paralyzed,
>
> Poor little JackBooted Thug, shot for trying to SCREW AN AMERICAN -
> Stepped on a Rattlesnake - GOT BIT!!! Remember: DON'T TREAD ON ME???
>
Because some nutcase felt that some "JackBooted Thug" who was just doing
his job, there are parents without a son and children without a father.
Paminifarm
> You make me sick, You are a disgusting pig.
<snip>
>
>
>
Certainly even you know the cops put a hand-gun
in the hand of their victim, who hasbeen stalked
for a well-planed assassination. You all may rest,
because i doubt very much if any anti-Christ-
owned, Govt. assassin got shot or injured during
Mr. Coopers assassination. You can bet truth
will route out the lie, but never publicly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
www.angelfire.com/fl5/9paminifarm9/index.html
Airborne
> In article <3be95626...@news2.ripco.com>, <Fre...@Liberty.com>
> wrote:
>
> > The Ministry of Propaganda also Deliberately Failed to mention that
> > upon his hearing that McVeigh was planning 'something big' in OKC,
> > Cooper Warned McVeigh that if his plans resulted in anyone getting
> > hurt, that the Militia would track McVeigh down and bring him, and any
> > accomplices, to Justice.
>
> What exactly are the law enforcement powers of the militia granted by
> the Constitution?
None. The consitution gives these guys who call themselves a militia
exactly zero powers. Nada. Nothing.
William Mullin
Art's Good Twin <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>Bears repeating, since the lying goofball won't reply.
>
>Art's Good Twin wrote:
>
>> Sir Fartie can't seem to make up his mind. Earlier in the evening, he said:
>>
>> "Bill Cooper will be missed, but he will NEVER be forgotten by those who
>> believe in real participatory democracy, liberty and justice for all, and
>> a caring and concerned populace. For that we must re-dedicate our
>> lives. To do so would be dishonorable."
>>
>> So Fartie will miss him, never forget him, will re-dedicate himself. But
>> after some right-minded individuals busted his ass, he changed his tune.
>>
>> "Whatever Cooper's beliefs were, that's his business, I really haven't
>> followed the guy for about 10 years or so. If he was suspected
>> of some heinous crime, what were they and who is accusing him?
>> I know he may have had a drinking problem, if so, they
>> could've effected his judgement. I did think his book
>> was very loopy and highly speculative and in some
>> ways anti-Semitic."
>>
>> So Cooper will never be forgotten, but Sir Fartie obviously forgot him.
>> For ten whole years. But see, for a brief shining moment there, Cooper
>> fit Fartie's conspiracy theories. Until he didn't.
In the world of the CIA, this is known as "plausible deniability".
It's funny how Frager/Wholeflaffer suddenly transforms himself into
Kolnick the Backpedaler. One may need to quote Keifer Sutherland
in "24" and demand of him "Who are you working for?"
For all of Jerry's ramblings about sp00ks [sic], it would appear that
he's been running a special op of his own on Usenet. Misinformation
and disinformation are the orders of the day.
Sorry to have to "out" you in this way, Agent Kolnick, but you
tipped your hand in your last transmission. You have no one to
blame but yourself.
Airborne
Exactly. Non-existent. There is no NWO. There's no United Nations plan to come over
here and deprive all the gun rack, bomb shelter, militia-brained deerstalkers of their
guns and put them in camps. It's a bogus enemy created by these guys on the radio to
rile all of you up, and based on the ridiculous, baseless rants of this freedom@liberty
guy, I'd say they succeed.
There are no jackbooted thugs. That's Wayne LaPierre's propaganda. Even the president
of the USA disavowed that one. I can walk in freedom, I can protest, I write the White
House all the time complaining about things, and sometimes I get a response, and
sometimes I don't. But they've never shown up with storm troopers. These guys can
shiver in the dark with their carbines if they want, waiting for armed gubmint soldiers
who will never come, while I take my kids to the park in the sunshine.
If there's an NWO somewhere, show it to us. But you won't be able to. It's a
non-entity. I've served overseas, and worked with UN guys. Believe me, they're not
coming here. If they could do that, they'd have stomped Milosevic for us, and Hussein,
and the Taliban. There are enough real enemies without you clowns coming up with more.
Instead of wacko conspiracy stuff, why doesn't one of these guys actually identify the
NWO?
William Mullin
>On Wed, 07 Nov 2001 02:48:50 GMT, agen...@justicemail.com (agent86)
>posted:
>
>>Actually, it's readily apparent that Cooper was dispatched for
>>shooting (and seriously wounding) a deputy sheriff.
>He Defended himself Exactly as he said he would many times over.
Fans of Bobby Fuller would understand better.
"I fought the law, and the law won,
I fought the law, and the law won."
Airborne
> FlyFlag <fly...@flyflagit.com> wrote in message news:<3BE8A6F0...@flyflagit.com>...
> <snip>
> > You make me sick, You are a disgusting pig.
> <snip>
> Certainly even you know the cops put a hand-gun
> in the hand of their victim, who hasbeen stalked
> for a well-planed assassination.
You can't prove that, period. You can make up anything you like. And he was never stalked.
I live in the SW, I know exactly who Cooper was/is. There's a diff tween being stalked and
being wanted on a warrant. He was a crackpot with a radio show.
> You all may rest,
> because i doubt very much if any anti-Christ-
> owned, Govt. assassin got shot or injured during
> Mr. Coopers assassination. You can bet truth
> will route out the lie, but never publicly.
Meantime, all you have is a conspiracy theory. He claimed to be stalked, to make a martyr of
himself if they ever served their warrant. In other words, Cooper set his followers up
completely.
Douglas Berry
Fre...@Liberty.com warmed at our fire and told this tale:
>DON'T TREAD ON ME
>
>If you're a Real American, you'll understand.
What I understand is that if you draw on four armed men, you are
dumber than a fucking brick.
--
Douglas E. Berry grid...@mindspring.com
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
airborne
number of nuts who shoot cans off the back fence.
Fre...@Liberty.com wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2001 02:44:01 GMT, Art's Good Twin <nob...@nowhere.com>
> posted:
>
> >Too many of these so-called militia or posse or patriot guys have been in armed
> >standoffs with police.
>
> In a POLICE STATE, such as the one we now Suffer, such situations are
> Inevitable. Not only that, their ESCALATION is Inevitable.
We suffer a police state? Last time I looked, I was free to walk about, not have to
show my "papers" to the KGB, and could come and go as I please. I also am free to
tell the gubmint when I think it's full of it. Not sure where YOU live, but it sure
isn't the USA.
> >They have killed or wounded all sorts of peace officers.
>
> What "peace officers"? These are Trained Attack Dogs, JackBooted
> Thugs, Badge-Wearing SCUMBAG Treasonous Traitors Masquerading as
> Public SERVANTS
I'm in a fraternal org with several peace officers who would say that you are an
idiot. They keep the peace, they stop speeders, they bust drug dealers, they mitigate
arguments between neighbors, they do a lot of good things. They dont break down the
doors of law abiding citizens. You, sir, are a NUT.
> *READ* THE CONSTITUTION - AND *KNOW* FOR YOURSELF - IF YOU DARE!!!
Oooooh, frightening. Do I dare read the Constitution? Oooooh, it scares me.
> >The so-called Freemen didn't want to pay taxes, but
> >they didn't hesitate to commit fraud with bad checks in an attempt to scam their
> >fellow citizens. Nice patriots.
>
> Which has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with Bill Cooper.
Actually, Cooper thought he'd found a way around paying taxes as well.
> >This guy was not killed because of secrets he knew.
>
> No, not for what he knew, for what he was Exposing, and was about to
> Expose.
He was exposing nothing. There's nothing to expose. You're paranoid.
> >If he wanted to stay alive, he needed to cooperate and have his day in
> >court.
>
> HE WANTED FREEDOM AND LIBERTY, AND JUSTICE - MORE THAN LIFE ITSELF!!!
Then he should have taken his day in court, insteda of reacting in the foolish, and
lethal, way that he did. Big mistake.
> >These militia guys use all sorts of boogie men, including the non-existent
> >NWO, the Trilateral Commission, and the UN, to drum up support among the rednecks
> >they preach to.
>
> The Enemy themselves, on whose behalf you Vainly Attempt
> Damage-Control, have Already Admitted to their Involvement in the
> Pursuit of a New World Order.
Huh? Excuse me, but WTF are you talking about?
> >The United Nations can't even keep a bunch of Afghanis from
> >overrunning their warehouses, you think they're going to take over the world?
>
> No, I don't think they're going to take over the world, even though
> they Most Certainly Plan to, because American Patriots/Militia WILL
> STOP THEM COLD IN OUR THRID CIVIL WAR, ALREADY BEGUN.
You guys couldn't stop a bus. But the parties you're so paranoid not only could not
take over the USA, they have no intention of doing so. Paranoid.
> >It's sad that the guy died, but it was
> >unnecessary.
>
> With Despots, death is Always Necessary - they Demand that Blood be
> Sacrificed to their Tyranny. And as Thomas Jefferson said:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yawn. Load your gun, keep it on your lap while you watch Monday
Night Football and your kid is calling his friends on the phone telling them, "My
dad's nuts."
> >A guy with guns who
> >resisted arrest was shot, and this somehow proves that the terrorist attacks were
> >carried out by the military? You are a complete dummy.
>
> ONLY a Dummy would Fail to recognize the Signature Hallmarks of
> Tyranny.
Only a paranoiac would think Cooper had the goods on the gubmint and was assassinated
for it.
> -----------------
> LIBERTY OR DEATH!
> -----------------
Or paranoia. Take your ritalin.
Ben Hogan
He went overboard in his actions, and shot a police officer.
He died because of it.
I feel bad for his family as well as the officer's. There are a lot of
hurt people because of this incident.
Case closed. Nothing any of us can do to change it. We can learn from
it. That's about it.
Morn the people killed/hurt, then move on.
- Ben
Douglas Berry
NO_2675 <NO_...@rayliotta.com> warmed at our fire and told this
tale:
>>On Wed, 07 Nov 2001 02:44:01 GMT, Art's Good Twin <nob...@nowhere.com>
Show it to me. I can visit the UN, the Trilateral Commision has
scheduled meetings, but the New World Order? It's a monster in the
closet, something right-wingers use to frighten each other.
kilroy
"Neykomi Lee" <neykomi...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:Pi%F7.13074$6e2.167...@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...
> Another one bites the dust, good. Good news is always good to hear.
>
>
> "Norio H." <nori...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20011106185327...@mb-fi.aol.com...
> >
> >
> > MILITIA LEADER KILLED, DEPUTY WOUNDED DURING ATTEMPTED ARREST
> > Associated Press/The Arizona Republic
> > Nov. 06, 2001 12:20:00
> >
> >
> > EAGAR - A national leader of the militia movement has been killed and an
> Apache
> > County sheriff's deputy wounded in a shootout, authorities said.
> >
> >
> > William Milton Cooper, 58, of Eager, had hosted a talk show broadcast on
> the
> > Worldwide Christian Radio out of Nashville, which receives it via phone
> from
> > his home in St. Johns. He had millions of listeners worldwide, including
> > Timothy McVeigh.
> >
> > The deputy, whose name was being withheld by authorities, was shot twice
> in the
> > head while trying to arrest Cooper, a state Department of Public Safety
> > spokesman said today. Cooper was killed by another officer.
> >
> > Several deputies were attempting to arrest Cooper, who was armed with a
> > handgun, said Officer Steve Volden, a spokesman for the DPS, which was
> > investigating the shooting.
> >
> > He said details of the shooting would be released later today.
> >
> > The deputy was in critical condition at a Phoenix hospital early today,
> Volden
> > said.
> >
> > Cooper was one of the most widely known prophets of the "patriot
> movement,"
> > railing at the federal government and talking of doomsday omens in his
> radio
> > broadcast.
> >
> > McVeigh, who was executed in May for the bombing of the federal building
> in
> > Oklahoma City, listened to Cooper's broadcasts for inspiration,
according
> to
> > testimony by James Nichols, brother of Oklahoma bombing co-defendant
Terry
> > Nichols during a 1996 pretrial hearing.
> >
> > Like some other patriot leaders, Cooper refused to get a driver's
license
> or
> > pay federal income taxes, saying he is willing to risk getting ticketed
> and has
> > found a legal way to avoid the taxes.
> >
> > The patriot movement grew during the 1990s, fed by a series of news
> events -
> > the siege of Randy Weaver in Idaho, the raid on the Branch Davidians
near
> Waco,
> > Texas and the signing of gun-control laws.
> >
> > ---------
> >
> > My sympathies to Bill's wife and children.
Let's face it, the guy was a traitor. On the other hand, he put out the
word. Mix in a few walnuts and raisins, with a little sesame seeds and
things can get confusing. I think he was hero no matter how one sees him,
otherwise. I think it is good that he is dead for him. Odd that he's died so
shortly as one who will go unmentioned. Odd. Must be some changes in the
wind.
>
>
agent86
>>It's a shot cop, Art. You don't respect that? You are a total loser. I
>>echo this guy, you make me sick.
>>
>
>For the record, I agree that shooting cops is wrong (assuming that the cop
>doesn't shoot first).
>
>Does anybody know what the warrant was about or why it was being served now ???
>As I understand it the guy could have been indicted at any time cause of his
>tax views, wonder what the timing is about ???
It was a warrant for aggravated assault. In addition, he had an
outstanding warrant for tax evasion that no one had ever bothered to
serve for exactly this reason. But when he threatened an innocent
person with a gun, they had to do something.
Hooktinked
>Let's face it, the guy was a traitor.[...] I think he was hero
Poor Bill he just went wacky. Fine example of what happens to people when
they get involved in this UFO stuff. Everyone goes nuts, no matter what
side of the fence they are on. And they'll continue to go bonkers by reading
Usenet. See above.
>>
>>
>
Art's Good Twin
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2001 02:44:01 GMT, Art's Good Twin <nob...@nowhere.com>
> posted:
>
> >Too many of these so-called militia or posse or patriot guys have been in armed
> >standoffs with police.
>
> In a POLICE STATE, such as the one we now Suffer, such situations are
> Inevitable. Not only that, their ESCALATION is Inevitable.
Police state, eh? Things look a lot nicer to me from here, I must say. But if you
really despise it that much, I have one suggestion. MOVE. Try Syria, or Libya.
Don't let the door smack you in the ass on the way out of town. The fewer
heavily-armed, jumpy conspiracy nuts who see evil CIA and jackbooted thugs around
every corner, the safer the rest of us (those of us who either take our meds or don't
need them). If you think there's an imminent takeover by the left, the right, the
Jews, or the utterly non-existent NWO, then you're probably afraid to go in that dark
back bedroom without a .357. Maybe you needed more hugs when you were little.
resistan...@yahoo.ie
>NOW WE FINALLY KNOW WHAT KIND OF BAD WIRING IS IN FARTIE'S HEAD. Art is a traitor
>to his country.
>
>Too many of these so-called militia or posse or patriot guys have been in armed
>standoffs with police. They have killed or wounded all sorts of peace officers.
>They claim to be patriots, they claim they are not subject to US laws, they claim
>they don't have to pay taxes. The so-called Freemen didn't want to pay taxes, but
>they didn't hesitate to commit fraud with bad checks in an attempt to scam their
>fellow citizens. Nice patriots.
>
>This guy was not killed because of secrets he knew. He had guns, he resisted
>arrest. If he wanted to stay alive, he needed to cooperate and have his day in
>court. These militia guys use all sorts of boogie men, including the non-existent
>NWO, the Trilateral Commission, and the UN, to drum up support among the rednecks
>they preach to. The United Nations can't even keep a bunch of Afghanis from
>overrunning their warehouses, you think they're going to take over the world?
>You're a DOPE.
>
You Tory twat,you are like the third of the American colonists who
kissed the Kings ring piece.In the 1920s and 30s many serfs and
zionists left central/eastern europe and poluted the USA with their
alien influence,you are obviously the unfortunate offspring of this
genetic pollution.IRELAND FOR THE IRISH!88!
Art's Good Twin
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2001 02:44:01 GMT, Art's Good Twin <nob...@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
[ snip ]
> These militia guys use all sorts of boogie men, including the non-existent
> >NWO, the Trilateral Commission, and the UN, to drum up support among the rednecks
> >they preach to. The United Nations can't even keep a bunch of Afghanis from
> >overrunning their warehouses, you think they're going to take over the world?
> >You're a DOPE.
> >
> You Tory twat,you are like the third of the American colonists who
> kissed the Kings ring piece.In the 1920s and 30s many serfs and
> zionists left central/eastern europe and poluted the USA with their
> alien influence,you are obviously the unfortunate offspring of this
> genetic pollution.IRELAND FOR THE IRISH!88!
You are obviously trailer trash who sits around picking his one tooth and talkin' to
the in-laws about Yosemite Sam mudflaps and mint-flavored toothpicks. There IS no
NWO. It doesn't exist. Can you name its members? Can you say where its secret army
lies in wait? Can you explain why it's a threat? You guys sit around shivering like a
Frenchman in a windstorm. There are enough real threats in the world without you
paranoid nutboys inventing new ones. You listen to these weirdos on their desert
bunker radio sets broadcasting delusional conspiracies that DON'T EXIST. You haul
around guns cuz you'd be afraid to take on a real man with your fists. Take karate
lessons, watch PBS for a change, stop spinning conspiracy fantasies, and quit making up
the boogey man.
BTW, my family's been here since 1846. Go to hell.
Wally Anglesea™
wrote:
I wonder if Art, and all of the kooks who fed Bill Coopers fantasies
are prepared to take any responsibility whatsoever for the fact that
their feeding his paranoia resulted in his death?
--
http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/Alien_recipes.html
"You can't fool me, it's turtles all the way down."
jeezeus ! mark
<grid...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 07 Nov 2001 15:03:31 GMT, a wanderer, known to us only as
>Fre...@Liberty.com warmed at our fire and told this tale:
>
>>DON'T TREAD ON ME
>>
>>If you're a Real American, you'll understand.
>
>What I understand is that if you draw on four armed men, you are
>dumber than a fucking brick.
>
depends on what your drawing.......if he was inside with
a semi-auto rifle, they would have been toast.....
jeezeus ! mark
<aaca...@coastside.net> wrote:
>In article <3be9693d.3082233@news-server>, jeezeus ! mark
><marx...@cinci.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 07 Nov 2001 07:56:59 -0800, Andrew Carol
>> <aaca...@coastside.net> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <3be95626...@news2.ripco.com>, <Fre...@Liberty.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> The Ministry of Propaganda also Deliberately Failed to mention that
>> >> upon his hearing that McVeigh was planning 'something big' in OKC,
>> >> Cooper Warned McVeigh that if his plans resulted in anyone getting
>> >> hurt, that the Militia would track McVeigh down and bring him, and any
>> >> accomplices, to Justice.
>> >
>> >What exactly are the law enforcement powers of the militia granted by
>> >the Constitution?
>> >
>> >Could the have militia cross State lines to "bring him to justice"?
>> >
>> >--- Andy
>>
>> Sure.....citizen's arrest, bounty hunter tactics, happens every day...
>
>But is that a constitional role of the militia?
>
>If a milita were to 'offically' cross State lines I would imagine they
>suddenly fall under the pervue of the Congress.
>
>If they do so as private citizens then why are we talking about milita?
>
>--- Andy
Well if you were a private citizen that was part of a malitia not
acting on behalf of the malitia what difference would it make?
I've never heard of malitias collectively going after suspects but
if they were to be "deputized" by a local sherrif it would clear up
any misunderstanding in their role. There is a sherrif up in Oregon
I beleive that is doing that very thing right now over the terrorist
threats, I wish I still had the link, I'll post it if I run across it
again.
jeezeus ! mark
Just the right to keep and bear arms as "people" (individuals)
so, it is something.......
jeezeus ! mark
<grid...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 07 Nov 2001 08:42:58 -0800, a wanderer, known to us only as
>NO_2675 <NO_...@rayliotta.com> warmed at our fire and told this
>tale:
>
>>>On Wed, 07 Nov 2001 02:44:01 GMT, Art's Good Twin <nob...@nowhere.com>
>>>posted:
>>
>>>>These militia guys use all sorts of boogie men, including the non-existent
>>>>NWO, the Trilateral Commission, and the UN, to drum up support among the rednecks
>>>>they preach to.
>>
>>Non-existent?!... WTF is this guy talking about.
>
>Show it to me. I can visit the UN, the Trilateral Commision has
>scheduled meetings, but the New World Order? It's a monster in the
>closet, something right-wingers use to frighten each other.
For something that doesn't exist Presidents Bush Sr. and Jr.
and Clinton mentioned the term New World Order an awful lot....
But I'm sure they were just talking jibberish......
jeezeus ! mark
wrote:
Jews used to call other Jews paranoid as well in the 1930's,
"Your wrong, Hymie, we're not going to a death camp, its
a happy work camp"......"Hymie, your paranoid"......"Hymie's
bad talking those Nazi's again".......
Then they fired up the ovens.........
Art's Good Twin
> Jews used to call other Jews paranoid as well in the 1930's,
> "Your wrong, Hymie, we're not going to a death camp, its
> a happy work camp"......"Hymie, your paranoid"......"Hymie's
> bad talking those Nazi's again".......
>
> Then they fired up the ovens.........
I don't get the analogy. WHO is going to be put in ovens? Who will be rounded up? WHY
would the so-called (and very non-existent) NWO want to come here in the first place?
The NWO, as it were, was a term used by Bush Sr., the smart one, to designate the coalition
that was slapped together to put down Saddam Hussein. That's all it was, and it was very
short-lived. It doesn't exist beyond that. It doesn't exist or live anywhere. None of
these paranoid losers can point to it. It's not there. It's that simple.
Kilroy
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Yeah, Michael Davis is a good example of that. Wow. How the deluded mighty
fall!!!
> >>
> >
>
jeezeus ! mark
wrote:
>"jeezeus ! mark" wrote:
Well, Agenda 21 from the United Nations does call for the world's
population to be reduced by 80% within the next 30-50 years.
So maybe those are the people to be murdered ?
Maybe not in ovens, but by some carefully crafted virus in a lab?
Agenda 21 can be found on the UN's website.
The NWO that you say doesn't exist meet at Bilderburg meetings,
(you know, the Bilderburgs.....those people who didn't exist 5 years
ago but now everyone's heard about them and they came out of
hiding......well, until you try to get inside to do an article on them
and their agendas)
NWO_Conqueror
> Well, Agenda 21 from the United Nations does call for the world's
> population to be reduced by 80% within the next 30-50 years.
> So maybe those are the people to be murdered ?
> Maybe not in ovens, but by some carefully crafted virus in a lab?
WOW, are you ever outta whack. Agenda 21 has everything to do with economic development and
minimizing the impact upon the environment, and has nothing at all to do with reducing world
population by 80 percent. You're right, it's on their web site, but it has nothing at all to do
with murdering or ridding the world of excess population. If you know it's on their web site,
why don't you bother reading it and realizing that what you posted is crap?
What an amazing distortion of the truth. Don't spout festering junk like that. Do your
homework. It's really sad when people use just a tiny portion of the truth to create the
illusion of evil out of nothing at all.
> The NWO that you say doesn't exist meet at Bilderburg meetings,
> (you know, the Bilderburgs.....those people who didn't exist 5 years
> ago but now everyone's heard about them and they came out of
> hiding......well, until you try to get inside to do an article on them
> and their agendas)
These guys have everything to do with trade, and nothing to do with a NWO or a global income tax
or any other conspiracy. Again, do your homework. Your homework should _not_ consist of
reading web pages put up by crazies. I'm talking about real homework. This kind of talk is
Flake City.
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>
> We suffer a police state? Last time I looked, I was free to walk about,
not have to
> show my "papers" to the KGB, and could come and go as I please
I guess Mr. "airborne" missed that whole Sept 11th
thing and hasn't flown or crossed a bridge lately.
<<<GoD>>>
"jeezeus ! mark" wrote:
and they aren't mentioning it any longer
because it's here
and part of it's agenda
is to fuck with people's minds
so that they no longer recognsie normal from abnormal
in this manner it will facillitate
creating the "New normal"
of the New World Order
the "New War" is all part of that game
and that is why the government ordered Bin Laden
to destroy those buildings
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NWO_Conqueror
No idea. But I have. I also fly a lot for my job. It's called SECURITY.
It's not a police state, it's called SECURITY. If I'm going to fly on an
airliner, I want everybody searched before they get on it. It's called
SECURITY. I also feel quite free in this country. But some forms of
transportation, and certain points of entry, are secured. This represents an
infinitesimal portion of the country, and in no way affects your free speech.
Who Cares?
"NWO_Conqueror" <Thi...@NotMe.com> wrote in message
news:3BEA0B09...@NotMe.com...
>
> No idea. But I have. I also fly a lot for my job. It's called SECURITY.
> It's not a police state, it's called SECURITY. If I'm going to fly on an
> airliner, I want everybody searched before they get on it. It's called
> SECURITY. I also feel quite free in this country. But some forms of
> transportation, and certain points of entry, are secured. This represents
an
> infinitesimal portion of the country, and in no way affects your free
speech.
Guys with guns don't affect my free speech?
Heck of an interesting concept but I think
I'll let the William Coopers of the world test
it out for size.
Who Cares?
"NWO_Conqueror" <Thi...@NotMe.com> wrote in message
news:3BEA0B09...@NotMe.com...
>
> It's not a police state, it's called SECURITY.
When guys with guns stand around, and guys
in masks machine-gun people in Waco and
set them on fire, that's generally considered
as a "police state".
Yes, it sucky and unwelcome news, but
heck, there it is anyway.
If I'm going to fly on an
> airliner, I want everybody searched before they get on it. It's called
> SECURITY. I also feel quite free in this country. But some forms of
> transportation, and certain points of entry, are secured. This represents
an
> infinitesimal portion of the country, and in no way affects your free
speech.
Apparently Mr "Kewl "NWO" UserName" hasn't
really thought this out.
We're putting guys with guns where terrorists can
strike. Right? Airports. Airplanes. Now
bridges. Nuclear power plants. Water
sources. Wait! What about food sources?!
Heck, what about skyscrapers? Oh, wait, yeah,
we've guys with guns already there, plus they've
got kewl concrete barricades.
Capitol Building? Oops, guys with guns again!
Wait, I know! Post offices will be safe.....
Ooops. More guys with guns.
But it's not like I didn't expect it for years. When you
get 43% of the population unable to recognize
Clinton as a con guy, well, history is pretty
clear about what happens next.
NWO_Conqueror
> "NWO_Conqueror" <Thi...@NotMe.com> wrote in message
> news:3BEA0B09...@NotMe.com...
> >
> > No idea. But I have. I also fly a lot for my job. It's called SECURITY.
> > It's not a police state, it's called SECURITY. If I'm going to fly on an
> > airliner, I want everybody searched before they get on it. It's called
> > SECURITY. I also feel quite free in this country. But some forms of
> > transportation, and certain points of entry, are secured. This represents
> an
> > infinitesimal portion of the country, and in no way affects your free
> speech.
>
> Guys with guns don't affect my free speech?
That's right, pal. If you want, you can walk right up to one of the
rifle-packin' guys at the airport and say to their face, "Bush is an idiot, and
you smell." And they'll tell you to get back in line and go to your plane. The
end. Guys with guns don't affect your free speech. But they DO make it safer
to get on the plane. Those are the facts. If you don't believe them, then stay
the hell home and quiver, while the rest of us go on with our lives. And next
week, next year, next decade, no NWO will have come to snatch your guns or put
you in a camp. You'll still be free, to say what you want, go where you want.
If you don't like it, you can pull the blinds and live in fear, which it sounds
like you do already, or you can move to Mexico. Send us a postcard.
NWO_Conqueror
> "NWO_Conqueror" <Thi...@NotMe.com> wrote in message
> news:3BEA0B09...@NotMe.com...
> >
> > No idea. But I have. I also fly a lot for my job. It's called SECURITY.
> > It's not a police state, it's called SECURITY.
>
> When guys with guns stand around, and guys
> in masks machine-gun people in Waco and
> set them on fire, that's generally considered
> as a "police state".
Koresh and his goofy bunch of nitwit followers set those fires themselves, as
the audio tapes confirm. He was a child molester who stockpiled a bunch of guns
and talked some brainless disciples into sacrificing themselves and their
molested children for his craziness. They screwed up not arresting him during
one of his morning runs, is what they did.
> Apparently Mr "Kewl "NWO" UserName" hasn't
> really thought this out.
The nym is sarcasm, irony, satire. If you haven't figured that out, well, you
need to get out more.
> We're putting guys with guns where terrorists can
> strike. Right? Airports. Airplanes. Now
> bridges. Nuclear power plants. Water
> sources. Wait! What about food sources?!
Uh-huh. And how does this affect my free speech and my ability to move around
at will, and to buy a gun if I have a FOID card and no record? It doesn't. Get
a life, pal. If you're so afraid of things, buy a dog.
jeezeus ! mark
wrote:
http://www.ipenz.org.nz/ipenz/practicesupport/endorsedinfo/codes/Sustainability/appendx2.htm
scroll on down to section 2.3 under focusing on population.....
this is all about consumption patterns and the environment, right?
how exactly do you think they'll stop people from screwing and
having babies ?
let me dig up the section in agenda 21 that discusses the 80% figure,
but the sustainable environment excuse is the one they are currently
using......have you been outside a city lately? There is nothing but
nature from horizon to horizon, we've had little impact on this earth,
unless you count very small locations of population and local stresses
on the ecosystem, of course the rich ass promoters of this socialist
trash could put their money where their mouth is and knock down
every other city block in the downtowns of all the cities, cuz......ya
know......we should really have a forest here, the skyscrapers are
destroying the forest this once was......ya know, just give us every
other block.......
it doesn't end until you give up "yours" so they can have "theirs"
and whomever they decide to throw a scrap to every now and again
Agenda 21 is all about control.....what you eat, where you live, how
much water you can have, how you travel, where you travel......
un-American and it should die along with the UN's socialist feel good
bullshit programs that try and put a guarantee on life by stealing
from everyone's pocket...if their ideas are so grand let them prove
it and accept donations voluntarily like a business runs....by
providing a service everyone wants and needs.
They don't have product and they know it......this is why the
UN tax is not only needed but imminent......
baloney
Isn't there something else in the second amendment as to the purpose of the
militias being well regulated by the state?
Michael Davis
"<<<GoD>>>" <G...@gOd.GoD> wrote in message news:3BEA0EE9...@gOd.GoD...
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>>>GoD<<< random killfile member #42 1/5
"For men become uncivilized, not in proportion to their willingness to
believe, but in proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
Michael Davis
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NWO_Conqueror
> let me dig up the section in agenda 21 that discusses the 80% figure,
> but the sustainable environment excuse is the one they are currently
> using......have you been outside a city lately? There is nothing but
> nature from horizon to horizon, we've had little impact on this earth,
> unless you count very small locations of population and local stresses
> on the ecosystem
We've had little impact on this earth? Are you crazy? The ozone layer, the massive drain on the
water supply, the loss of green which directly impacts our oxygen supply ....... both the far left
AND far right agree, we've had a huge impact on our ecosystem. I don't know what cereal box you get
your information from, but it is completely wrong.
> Agenda 21 is all about control
No ...... this is just another phantom the conspiracy nuts have put up. They dig up the most obscure
little bits of information and make them evil, so they can put a scare in their fraidy-cat
martyr-wannabe constituents.
NWO_Conqueror
Doesn't matter. These guys have long warped the Constitution for their own
purposes. Just ask the NRA.
Michael Davis
"NWO_Conqueror" <Thi...@NotMe.com> wrote in message
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Art's Good Twin
> Don't be a fool. We have enough of everything to last a life time. Why
> worry?
I agree. I just got back from the 7-11, and I'm set for the week.
jeezeus ! mark
Well, I think i'm well regulated.....let's see, driver's license,
driver's plate, annual tags, state income tax, property tax,
sales tax, and unable to legally carry a concealed weapon in
the state of Ohio...but I do have the right to privately own.
jeezeus ! mark
wrote:
>"jeezeus ! mark" wrote:
>
>> let me dig up the section in agenda 21 that discusses the 80% figure,
>> but the sustainable environment excuse is the one they are currently
>> using......have you been outside a city lately? There is nothing but
>> nature from horizon to horizon, we've had little impact on this earth,
>> unless you count very small locations of population and local stresses
>> on the ecosystem
>
>We've had little impact on this earth? Are you crazy? The ozone layer, the massive drain on the
>water supply, the loss of green which directly impacts our oxygen supply ....... both the far left
>AND far right agree, we've had a huge impact on our ecosystem. I don't know what cereal box you get
>your information from, but it is completely wrong.
No, I'm not crazy. One volcano does more environmental damage than we
could possibly do in the entire history of our existance. I live next
to a river, that as far as I know hasn't run dry in thousands of
years. Loss of green?......only when the fall turns the leaves
different colors. They want you to think you've been a huge
drain on the ecosystem so that you can throw money at them
and in a feel-good no nonsense way......"help".
And as far as being wrong......I'll not get my info from the evening
news and let a biased media control the way I see the world.
Besides, there are plenty of people on both sides of this fence.
It's a big pissing contest.....and we all know that piss seeps into
the ground water, so lets quit.
Yuri Velasquez
How did Bill Cooper get in the situation in the first instance?
I met a famous UFO author once who claimed Cooper had vandalised
his car after a lecture.
I've also read 'Pale Horse' .
Some seemed other paranoia parts not.
Unfortunately I have not been able to verify his claims.
Just because he was paranoid does not make him wrong !
Velasquez
Fre...@Liberty.com wrote in message news:<3be951c1...@news2.ripco.com>...
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2001 06:25:25 GMT, "Ralph Snart"
> <thomas...@worldnet.att.net> posted:
>
> >I have to agree. I have read 'Behold A Pale Horse', I liked listening to
> >Cooper on the radio,
>
> I hope you found it helpful - I certainly did.
>
> >but he shot and wounded an innocent peace officer doing
> >his job.
>
> No, a JackBooted Thug Operative for Tyranny Deliberately Stepped on a
> Rattlesnake - and GOT BIT!!! Remember DON'T TREAD ON ME ? It's an
> American Value, and Bill Cooper did more than talk about it, he lived,
> and died Unwavering in his Adherence to such Principles.
>
> >If Cooper wanted a public forum, he should have fought for his
> >beliefs in a court of law.
>
> They no longer exist. No more Rule of Law in this Once Free Country,
> only the Despotism of OUTLAWS - and Bill Cooper Very Well Knew that.
>
> >Now any positive ideas (or crackpot ideas) have
> >died a useless death, and an innocent peace officer is critically wounded.
>
> No such thing, and a badge-wearing SCUMBAG found more Trouble than HE
> WAS *LOOKING FOR*.
>
> >That will be Bill Cooper's epitath...
>
> Don't you wish! Bill Cooper has been MARTYRED for the Principles upon
> which this Nation was Founded, which NOT EVEN THE THREAT OF DEATH
> COULD DETER HIM FROM ADHERING TO. He Always knew that this would
> happen and said so many times on his broadcasts. He also said that
> either way, Freedom WINS, and HE'S RIGHT!
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> It is in vain, Sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may
> cry, Peace, Peace! -- but there is no peace. The war is
> actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the North will
> bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our breathren
> are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it
> that Gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or
> peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and
> slavery! Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course
> others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me
> death!
> --- Patrick Henry - March 1775
> --------------------------------------------------------------
Michael Davis
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> On Thu, 08 Nov 2001 14:00:56 GMT, NWO_Conqueror <Thi...@NotMe.com>
> wrote:
>
> >"jeezeus ! mark" wrote:
>
> No, I'm not crazy. One volcano does more environmental damage than we
> could possibly do in the entire history of our existance. I live next
> to a river, that as far as I know hasn't run dry in thousands of
> years. Loss of green?......only when the fall turns the leaves
> different colors.
This normally isn't a subject I get into, BUT ........ you don't think the population and rampant
development has done a number on the environment? Is your head in a hole in the ground? I've been to
Brazil twice, and seen the massive deforestation going on there. Where do you think our air comes from?
We're losing forest, we're losing topsoil, we're pumping shit into the air, we're still dumping crap into
the water. The water supply is actually more tenuous than people realize. One of my clients is heavily
involved in water rights issues in the American Southwest. There's an increasing shortage. There are
many places in the USA where municipalities are sweating where their water will come from in the next
decade.
Much of Africa isn't putting out harvest, and hasn't been for years. This is not b.s., it's reality.
The ozone layer is increasingly affected. It's actually getting worse, not better, despite rollbacks on
aerated output by industrialized nations. If you think we're not wrecking the joint, you're deluded.
jeezeus ! mark
wrote:
Doesn't the ocean provide a large amount of O2 as well?
The rain forest is one source (yes a big one) of oxygen, but so is my
lawn, so are the trees that grow everywhere in the midwest.
Africa as much as the rest of the world will experience periodic
shifts in water tables, rainfall, temperature and the people need to
MOVE.....north, south.....pick a rainy spot and set up tent !
Water rights in the southwest??? They picked to live in a fucking
desert.....! Should not be my liberties at stake because these people
decided to live in a desert and have to divert water from more
sustainable locations....solution: quit playing golf in the desert !
The amount of water they put out for greens in a desert alone could
be used more efficiently and enjoyed by more people than the
rich elitist that finds the need to hit small round objects with a
crooked stick (quality time though I hear).
And the ozone "hole" increases and decreases every year, year
after year since the dawn of the planet........we didn't cause it all,
sometimes the earth itself causes in one event more pollution and
destruction to the ozone than we have in our entire history.
To quote Carlin "The earth is gonna shake us off like a bad case
of fleas".......
Fre...@liberty.com
Mullin) posted:
> "I fought the law, and the law won,
> I fought the law, and the law won."
I'm Sure Glad our Nation's Founders never heard that one!
Fre...@liberty.com
<grid...@mindspring.com> posted:
>On Wed, 07 Nov 2001 15:03:31 GMT, a wanderer, known to us only as
>Fre...@Liberty.com warmed at our fire and told this tale:
>
>>DON'T TREAD ON ME
>>
>>If you're a Real American, you'll understand.
>
>What I understand is that if you draw on four armed men, you are
>dumber than a fucking brick.
Why? Is Freedom That Meaningless to YOU? It is to many, which is Why
this Once Free Country is all but TOTALLY DESTROYED, thanks to notions
such as yours.
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"We will be Free under Constitutional Republican
government guaranteed to us by the organic
Constitution for the united States of America or we
will be dead. This is the land of the free and the
home of the brave. We have drawn our line in the
sand."
--- Cmdr William Cooper,
Second Continental Army of the Republic Militia
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Politically Correct at this time. Hold it off for awhile, okay? We don't
want the word out, yet. It's people like you that will stall George W.
Bush's Administration in accomplishing what you so dearly look forward to
achieving. Tone it down some. There's still time.
The Evil Michael DavisT
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Fre...@liberty.com
Velasquez) posted:
>ot the sort of information we get this side of the planet.
>How did Bill Cooper get in the situation in the first instance?
I'm still waiting for info on that. I Suspect, and SPECULATE that he
fell Victim to a JUDAS GOAT, an Enemy feigning 'friendship' who talked
him into going outside so that the other SCUM could get into position
around his house. Remember, Cooper had a perimeter intrusion detection
system so it would be necessary to get him out of the house so he
wouldn't hear the alarm.
>I met a famous UFO author once who claimed Cooper had vandalised
>his car after a lecture.
;) Those uFOOLogists really ARE Mental Cases - I learned that for
myself in some of their newsgroups.
>I've also read 'Pale Horse' .
>Some seemed other paranoia parts not.
I thought it was (and is) pretty well-correlated to what's actually
going on in the world.
>Unfortunately I have not been able to verify his claims.
Behold A Pale Horse is basically a PRIMER for those ready to give up
the Denial Game and Pursue the Truth. While not all of it is readily
Verifiable (Most IS), it's a Challenge to the Enemy's Brainwashing and
an Introduction to what's going on - the rest is up to us, both to
Verify and Uncover, as well as DO SOMETHING ABOUT.
>Just because he was paranoid does not make him wrong !
"Paranoid" as the Abused term it's so commonly used as, is the work of
the Enemy in Fabricating yet another Tool of Manipulation.
Fre...@liberty.com
>> >An officer is probably paralyzed,
>>
>> Poor little JackBooted Thug, shot for trying to SCREW AN AMERICAN -
>> Stepped on a Rattlesnake - GOT BIT!!! Remember: DON'T TREAD ON ME???
>>
>
>Because some nutcase felt that some "JackBooted Thug" who was just doing
>his job, there are parents without a son and children without a father.
Well BOO!@#$%^&*ing-HOO! Only an IDIOT And an UNSUITABLE PARENT would
EVER ***CHOOSE*** to Tyrannize people for a living while having a
family to take care of - it's Abjectly STUPID! And Yes, I'm sorry for
that JackBooted JERK'S family for what they must now endure as a
Result - but it would have been better for him to be a high-rise
window washer, sure, it's more Dangerous than being a cop, but at
least it wouldn't involve the VIOLATION OF CITIZENS' RIGHTS!!!
Fre...@liberty.com
<aaca...@coastside.net> posted:
>What exactly are the law enforcement powers of the militia granted by
>the Constitution?
Read it and see.
>Could the have militia cross State lines to "bring him to justice"?
Why not? Then again, the Militia in the State where he might be could
do it too.
Airborne
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2001 12:13:04 -0800, Douglas Berry
> <grid...@mindspring.com> posted:
>
> >On Wed, 07 Nov 2001 15:03:31 GMT, a wanderer, known to us only as
> >Fre...@Liberty.com warmed at our fire and told this tale:
> >>If you're a Real American, you'll understand.
> >
> >What I understand is that if you draw on four armed men, you are
> >dumber than a fucking brick.
>
> Why? Is Freedom That Meaningless to YOU? It is to many, which is Why
> this Once Free Country is all but TOTALLY DESTROYED, thanks to notions
> such as yours.
I will follow people through the fire if I believe in them. When I was in
the service, I took orders and learned to have faith in my comrades. But
if they're idiots, then forget it. Cooper threatened people
unnecessarily, cuz he happened to have a gun handy. He pulled a piece on
a group of armed officers. Not smart, not at all.
> --- Cmdr William Cooper,
> Second Continental Army of the Republic Militia
Nice self-imposed title. He had no army. He had a radio show listened to
by a small number of nuts. His enemies were mostly non-existent. He
peddled paranoia, and made many people in our corner of the country
nervous because he fired people up over nothing.
We have been attacked by a foreign enemy. Trying to somehow tie the
threat to Bush (however stupid he might be) is just plain ridiculous.
Quit inventing invisible enemies.
Fre...@liberty.com
<aaca...@coastside.net> posted:
>But is that a constitional role of the militia?
READ the Constitution and see!
>If a milita were to 'offically' cross State lines I would imagine they
>suddenly fall under the pervue of the Congress.
How so? Are Interstate Militia operations INTERSTATE COMMERCE?
>If they do so as private citizens then why are we talking about milita?
Because the Militia ARE Private Citizens.
Airborne
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2001 09:13:04 -0800, Andrew Carol
> <aaca...@coastside.net> posted:
>
> >But is that a constitional role of the militia?
>
> READ the Constitution and see!
The militia has no role. It's been supplanted by the military and the
National Guard. There is no need for a militia, no call for it, and in fact
it would be essentially a brand of vigilantism.
> >If a milita were to 'offically' cross State lines I would imagine they
> >suddenly fall under the pervue of the Congress.
>
> How so? Are Interstate Militia operations INTERSTATE COMMERCE?
Doesn't matter. If armed groups of unauthorized citizens roamed around,
over state lines or not, they'd be thrown in the can, as they should be.
> >If they do so as private citizens then why are we talking about milita?
> Because the Militia ARE Private Citizens.
Guys with guns and a dead man with a radio show don't constitute a militia.
And by the way, there's still no actual NWO.