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Thé Whølƒl僃ér ÇøñtîñÜÜM  
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 More options Jul 28 2002, 12:56 pm
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From: Thé Whølƒl僃ér ÇøñtîñÜÜM <nos...@newsranger.com>
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 16:56:26 GMT
Local: Sun, Jul 28 2002 12:56 pm
Subject: Who Takes UFOs & E.T.s Seriously?//Only Every Police Station and Fire Department in America!!
Who Takes UFOs & E.T.s Seriously?//Only Every Police Station and Fire Department
in America!!

The Fire Officer's Guide To Disaster Control

The Fire Officer's Guide To Disaster Control by William M. Kramer, Ph.D. and
Charles W. Bahme, J.D. is a totally serious book which is found in all fire and
police department libraries across the United States.  In June 1993, a new
chapter (pp. 458-473) was added to this book.  Bahme  himself saw "UFOs" fly
over Los Angeles on Aug. 26, 1942, and they were subsequently fired upon by
ground defenses which killed nine people.  During the Korean War, Bahme was
Security Coordinator for the Chief of Naval Operations.  The Guide is published
by the Delaware State Fire School and made available through the Fire
Engineering Book Service at 800-752-9768.

The Fire Officer's Guide To Disaster Control can also be found in your local
library.  The Dewey Decimal number is 363.378.  The ISBN # is 0-912212-26-8.
Ask the local librarian for help if you have trouble finding this.  If it is
checked out, you may put a reserve on it when it is returned.  This is for the
benefit of all the UFO debunkers out there who can't figure out how to use a
library!

Chapter 13 is titled "Enemy Attack and UFO Potential" and it starts on page 439
and goes through to page 473, references are included.   Page number 458 is
where the UFO material begins, the main heading is "The UFO Threat - - A Fact."
So now you know that every police and fire department has on hand instructions
on how to handle a UFO "crisis."  Under the main heading, as listed above, the
authors explain"...interest in UFOs was greatly heightened when Congress in 1969
adopted a law which gave the NASA Administrator the arbitrary discretion to
quarantine under armed guard any object, person, or other form of life which has
been extraterrestrially exposed."

The next heading, is called, "UFO Discussion - - Why Now?"  It goes on to
explain how, during the early morning hours of August 26, 1942, sirens had
signaled and "spectacular aerial fireworks filled the heavens all around."  It
has since become known as "The Los Angeles Air Raid of 1942,"  The was the
army's' response to an UFO flyover, which was treated as an hostile "attack."

The following two chapters describe the UFO classification systems devised by
Dr. J. Allen Hynek, and the various shapes, speeds and maneuverability "not
attainable by aircraft of any kind commonly observed," of UFOs.  The authors
have a warning to the readers who have made up their minds that there is no such
things as UFOs,  "...notwithstanding the overwhelming evidence to the contrary,
it should be pointed out that there is circumstantial evidence that disastrous
effects have already been attributed to UFO activity in more than one nation,
including the United States!"

The "History of UFOs" details the "hundreds of years of mysterious objects in
the sky and strange moving lights" along with the World War II description of
"Foo Fighters."  Also explained is the Apollo 11 mission, where Armstrong,
Aldrin and Collins "reported sightings of what seemed to be a UFO during the
first half of their flight to the lunar surface."  Moreover, "There were many
more sightings by U.S. and Soviet Astronauts.  On November, 11, 1966, Gemini XII
astronauts Jim Lovell and Edwin Aldrin said that they saw four UFOs linked
together."   Dr. J. Allen Hynek emphatically stated, "Where they are coming from
and why they are here is a matter of conjecture, but the fact that they were
here on this planet is beyond a reasonable doubt."

Why The Secrecy?

The section titled, "Why the Secrecy?" starts off detailing Jim and Carol
Lorenzos' book "UFOs Over America" in how "...the CIA has been closely involved
in collection and suppression of UFO information.  Witnesses to the phenomena
have been bribed, coerced, and threatened by the CIA, who wanted valuable
evidence given to them alone."

One reason given is that military intelligence may view the UFOs as a tool of
either a known or unknown potential enemy.   "If these vehicles prove evasive
and surreptitious, all the more reason to suspect them...the probability looms
large that the minds behind these vehicles may well be gathering intelligence of
their own."

Another reason for secrecy may lie in the hope of obtaining knowledge relating
to advanced propulsion methods and ANTI-GRAVITY systems before other potential
enemies on earth may acquire it.  Hence, though many nations are secretly
investigating UFOs, they are reluctant to share their findings.  Robert Lofton,
in his book "Identified Flying Saucers," claims that the Air Force became the
"goat" in the effort of the CIA to DEBUNK  many sightings by pilots, radar
technicians, and reliable civilian observers.  He thinks that the suppression of
information about how dangerous UFOs can be is wrong.

Major Donald Keyhoe describes in his book "Aliens From Space, The Real Story Of
UFOs," the difficulties he had in 1957 in trying to get the truth from
government agencies after he was director of NICAP, at the time the world's
largest UFO research organization  with over 30 subcommittees in the U.S. and
abroad.

According to some UFOlogists the attempts at cover-up by the CIA extends to
destruction of evidence that it could not confiscate.  Apparently some of our
nation's important leaders have been denied access to some UFO secrets in the
possession of an agency of the United States, the very existence of which is
classified ABOVE TOP SECRET!  Ex-Presidential nominee and a retired Air Force
Reserve Brigadier General, Barry Goldwater was quoted as saying, "I think some
highly secret government UFO investigations are going on that we don't know
about--and probably never will unless the Air Force discloses them."  Goldwater
said he was refused permission to check the Air Force files on UFOs!

Unleashed by the policy of Glasnost [greater openness] the Soviet media felt
free to include accounts of UFO sightings.  A Tass report of October 10, 1989,
reported a large shiny ball or disk hovering over a Voronezh park, residents saw
the UFO land and three creatures similar to human beings emerged, accompanied by
a robot.  ---One wonders when we in America are going to have an AMERICAN
GLASNOST in regards to the alien presence--  In 1966, Representative Gerald Ford
responded to a rash of sightings in his home state of Michigan by calling for,
and getting, a House hearing on UFOs.

UFO Missions

Many reasons have been advanced for the purpose of the UFOs visits to our
planet.  Although some of the persons who apparently have been the subjects of
genetic investigation, the majority of those who have studied possible UFO
visitors, feel that they are friendly.

From the thousands of reports he has studied, William Spaulding, aerospace
engineer and head of the Arizona-based ground Saucer Watch, believes that a
pattern indicates that UFOs are here on a surveillance mission; the fact that a
majority of sightings occur around our military installations, research and
development areas leads to the conclusion that a methodical study is being made
of the earth and its defensive and offensive capabilities.  "The phenomena is
not unlike our own space explorations; scout ship surveys; soil samples;
landings."

In his book "Incident at Exeter,"  John Fuller discusses the seeming affinity of
UFOs for electrical power lines in the northeastern part of the United States.
In a later section of this chapter dealing with the effects of UFOs on our
terrestrial activities, we will see how this affinity may have been responsible
for causing 36 million people to lose power over an area of 8,000 square miles.

Because of our recent adventures into space, there are some who speculate that
UFOs are more concerned with what we will do there, than in settling here.  In
any event, the Air Force's official publication (issued by the Government
Printing Office 1968) called "Flying Objects" says that "No UFO has been
determined to represent a threat to our national security."  That conclusion,
however, should not rule out less disastrous consequences than the overthrow of
our government.

Adverse Potential of UFOs

Despite the skepticism of scientists, the UFOs sent from other planets do exist
and have visited earth.  UFOs may have exhibited some destructive effects,
whether or not intentionally in every instance, which we need to consider when
drafting a plan for coping with an emergency situation where UFOs are involved.
Some of these documented effects are as follows:

UFO Hazards

The two principal hazards noted with relation to UFOs have been attributed to
powerful electrical fields which they can project in a general or localized area
and the psychological effects they have produced on the general populace or
individual contacts.

Force Field Impact

The disruption of air and ground travel has often been reported in the presence
of UFOs.  The ignition systems of auto and aircraft engines have apparently been
affected by energized force fields to such an extent as to stop their operation;
the headlights and radios also ceased to function.  These effects have also been
noted to influence the controls and instruments of aircraft, e.g., the pilot of
a Piper PH-24 reported that his controls became inoperable when he was
approached by three disk-shaped objects, 10 to 12 feet in diameter, over Mexico
City on May 3, 1975.  Similar cases have been reported by military pilots,
illustrated by the classic case of the near mid-air collision of an army
helicopter with a UFO on October 18, 1973, over Ohio, where not only did both
the UHF and VHF radio wavelengths go dead temporarily, but the downward movement
of the helicopter with its four occupants was levitated upward by a green beam
from the UFO in time to prevent its crash into the ground.

Communications Disruption

In addition to the impedance or radio transmissions and reception, telephone
interference has occurred, illustrated by the ...

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The_Sage  
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 More options Jul 28 2002, 7:28 pm
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From: thees...@azrmci.net (The_Sage)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 23:27:30 GMT
Local: Sun, Jul 28 2002 7:27 pm
Subject: Re: Who Takes UFOs & E.T.s Seriously?//Only Every Police Station and Fire Department in America!!

>Reply to article by: Thé Whølƒl僃ér ÇøñtîñÜÜM <nos...@newsranger.com>
>Date written: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 16:56:26 GMT
>MsgID:<_mV09.31774$15.10...@www.newsranger.com>

Is this supposed to be one of those examples of HoleFlapper's
published "research"? It looks more like ignorant religious propaganda
and plagerism of someone else's web page rather than "research"...

>Who Takes UFOs & E.T.s Seriously?//Only Every Police Station and Fire Department
>in America!!

I will call your hand for this lying bluff of yours. There is
absolutely no evidence that this book is officially sanctioned by the
Executive Department of the US Government as a guide or training
manual by *any*, much less *every*, police station and fire department
in America.

Even then, the book contradicts your childish fantasies...

>Chapter 13 is titled "Enemy Attack and UFO Potential"

Do you know what "potential" means? It means it isn't *actual*. You
are twisting their words around to mean "ETs have visited us" and
should be taken seriously when in reality the book is more a review of
the anatomy of a mass delusion and how to deal with mob control.
Whether or not a real ET ever visits us, people will lose their heads,
as they often do, if they imagine ET is visiting us, just like they
did during the broadcasting of Orsen Welles' THE WAR OF THE WORLDS. Of
course, you were probably right there at the forefront of the panic
when it happened, so you would certainly know what I am talking about.

In my opinion this is not a work to be taken seriously, just like your
published "research" has never been anything to be taken seriously.
Whatever happened to your story about the military men contacting ETs
by Ouija Board? Haha!

The Sage

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From: "L3g!0n" <duk...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 23:25:04 -0600
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Subject: Re: Who Takes UFOs & E.T.s Seriously?//Only Every Police Station and Fire Department in America!!
You're an idiot.

Do you even know what the word 'Plagiarism' means? I doubt it, if you can't
even be bothered to spell it correctly.

If you're going to troll about using the name "The_Sage" and label as
ignorant others who are far more educated and literate than yourself, you
might try using SPELLCHECK to at least hide your own ignorance.

why don't you go read a book or something.

"The_Sage" <thees...@azrmci.net> wrote in message

news:3d44767f.14982903@news.rmci.net...


 
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 More options Jul 29 2002, 1:32 am
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From: Mark Shippey <c...@anti-grey.net>
Date: 29 Jul 2002 01:14:16 -0400
Local: Mon, Jul 29 2002 1:14 am
Subject: Re: Who Takes UFOs & E.T.s Seriously?//Only Every Police Station and Fire Department in America!!

L3g!0n <duk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> You're an idiot.
> Do you even know what the word 'Plagiarism' means? I doubt it, if you can't
> even be bothered to spell it correctly.
> If you're going to troll about using the name "The_Sage" and label as
> ignorant others who are far more educated and literate than yourself, you
> might try using SPELLCHECK to at least hide your own ignorance.
> why don't you go read a book or something.

  ^                                        ^

  You forgot the capital at the beginning of the sentence and
the question mark at the end. If you are going to post little
tantrum lectures about spelling and literacy, your best bet would
be to take the foot of your mouth and read what you are posting!
Excuse me, but.... BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!


 
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 More options Jul 29 2002, 8:42 am
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From: Sir Arthur <nos...@newsranger.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:42:42 GMT
Local: Mon, Jul 29 2002 8:42 am
Subject: Re: Who Takes UFOs & E.T.s Seriously?//Only Every Police Station and Fire Department in America!!
In article <3d44767f.14982...@news.rmci.net>, The_Sage says...

>In my opinion this is not a work to be taken seriously, just like your
>published "research" has never been anything to be taken seriously.
>Whatever happened to your story about the military men contacting ETs
>by Ouija Board? Haha!

>The Sage

Weak.

Q: Some of our readers are not familiar with your case yet, so can you tell them
why you were not reprimanded heavily for going AWOL (absent without leave)? Why
were the six of you given honorable discharges?

Vance Davis:
I'll give you a very realistic theory, and then I'll give you a theory that
sounds logical, but is not necessarily realistic, so we can cover both sides.

People say we went AWOL. I'll be honest with you; we deserted. We knew what we
were doing. We did not plan to come back. A lot of laws within the military were
changed because of us. Instead of being called AWOL after 24 hours, it is now 15
minutes. Also, desertion carries an automatic jail sentence now. We went right
through a lot of laws that they thought they had to catch everybody.

We did use an Ouiji board. We used all kinds of metaphysical material. So does
your government. They use anything—HUMINT (human intelligence), SIGINT (signals
intelligence), ELINT (electronics intelligence), PSYINT (psychic
intelligence)—take those all together and you have a pretty good picture of what
might be going on. When someone says they don't use psychics, he is lying. They
do. They use every possible avenue to gather intelligence. Think about it; if
you were in their position, you would do the same thing.

Now we used an Ouiji board. It was not the only avenue we used to gather
information. When I was a kid, I learned in a Sylvan Mind Control class how to
use "going to level and getting information," the way Edgar Cayce got
information. They do use that.

We went AWOL with a lot of information—seven sessions, or about 1,500 pages of
notes on UFOs, metaphysical stuff, spiritual stuff, Christian stuff—a lot of
notes about the Bible (certain things have been told and certain people lied to
etc.). We did not necessarily believe everything we had, but we had enough
information and enough research (what little we could do) to say that something
was definitely "rotten in Denmark."  Something was wrong.

We went AWOL with all this. We deserted to Gulf Breeze to visit a couple of
women—one of whom had been a psychic with the FBI—to ask them what they thought
of the information and how accurate it could be. We got arrested.

Now let's put our feet in the government's shoes. Let's say we're in the
military, or the government, or the White House. Six soldiers desert from the
same unit. It has never occurred before in the 200-year recorded history of the
military. How are we to deal with that? We want to make examples out of those
six deserters. But to do that, we will have to court-martial them, which is like
putting them in a trial of their peers. An officer is the equivalent of a judge.

Just like in civilian court, they have secret-level courts-martial and open
courts-martial, but most of that does come out in the news. The media reported
our story heavily—CNN, ABC, London, Germany, China, Japan—so they couldn't
really hold a secret court-martial. Everybody was going to want to know what
happened and why. If we were to be court-martialed, the first question we would
be asked would be, "Why did you desert?" We had made a promise that if anybody
asked, we would tell them. We had nothing to hide. We would tell them about the
Ouiji board, about the information, about what went on.

Now at that point, as a prosecutor for the government, you have to prove that
information is damaging to the United States government. Can you imagine what
that would do to the public's view? They are saying, "Uh-oh. We have a problem
here. If we court-martial them, we're going to spill our beans. We're going to
have to release a bunch of stuff, classified  or unclassified. It's going to
slap us in the face. The deserters are going to embarrass us during a
court-martial."

Second of all, if I were in a position of power in the government, I'd say,
"Let's let the people guess what happened and not let them know, and let the
deserters go." The problem with that is that we were given honorable discharges.
See? Something is wrong there. They could have given us dishonorable discharges,
but they didn’t.  Nor did they declare us insane.  So that logical thinking
tends to go down the tubes.

Q: So what do you believe their reason is?

VD: That takes us to the second theory. I can make a logical stand for it, but
it is almost impossible to prove or disprove.

The Ouiji board told us three things that are not in the book that I am going to
share with you. 1) We were allowed to use this form of communication because we
would not listen any other way. 2) For some reason, we would be a light unto the
world. At the time we did not understand what that meant. Now, after the news
coverage of it in 1990, we understand it. We kind of changed things—stirred the
pot. A lot of things have happened quickly since 1990. We kind of opened up a
beehive, which is okay, since it helped a lot of people out a little bit. 3) We
cannot confirm whom we actually talked to. We were given names, but that does
not mean that that is whom we were talking to. We were definitely involved with
a very high intelligence that knew what was going on. It may have been lying to
us, but it may have been an alien influence. That is highly possible. If that
were true—and we were told that we would be protected and that certain people
knew what was going on.

Now, I'm going to give you a few facts to back this line of thinking up. We knew
we were probably going to go AWOL in the middle of June, 1990. It is interesting
that the reports on us—the documents that they released—their reporting period
started in the middle of June. In other words, the government started following
us before we deserted.

Now this is how it normally works: if they knew that we were going AWOL, they
would have caught us when we went on the flight, because that's a sign of guilt.
They let us go on and let us fly. The only time I have been stopped is in July
of 1990; otherwise, we've all been left alone  by the government and all kinds
of people

Now I'm going to get into some wild stuff, here, but it might logically make
sense to some CONTACT FORUM readers.  If we were involved with alien forces, if
we were supposed to do a job, if we were supposed to desert and create the news
fervor, if all this stuff was suppose to happen per a large plan of some kind,
then does it make sense that, when we go captured, those aliens would step in
and tell the government "hands-off"?


 
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The_Sage  
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 More options Jul 30 2002, 12:55 am
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From: thees...@azrmci.net (The_Sage)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 04:54:14 GMT
Local: Tues, Jul 30 2002 12:54 am
Subject: Re: Who Takes UFOs & E.T.s Seriously?//Only Every Police Station and Fire Department in America!!

>Reply to article by: Sir Arthur <nos...@newsranger.com>
>Date written: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:42:42 GMT
>MsgID:<6La19.31893$15.10...@www.newsranger.com>
>>In my opinion this is not a work to be taken seriously, just like your
>>published "research" has never been anything to be taken seriously.
>>Whatever happened to your story about the military men contacting ETs
>>by Ouija Board? Haha!

<Snipped Ouija Board Fairytale>

Haha! Thanks Sir Fart. That story is a gas!

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Sir Arthur C. B. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.  
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 More options Jul 31 2002, 12:35 am
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From: Sir Arthur C. B. Wholeflaffers A.S.A. <nos...@newsranger.com>
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 04:35:10 GMT
Local: Wed, Jul 31 2002 12:35 am
Subject: Re: Who Takes UFOs & E.T.s Seriously?//Only Every Police Station and Fire Department in America!!
In article <2k419.227$LI.91...@news.uswest.net>, L3g!0n says...

>You're an idiot.

>Do you even know what the word 'Plagiarism' means? I doubt it, if you can't
>even be bothered to spell it correctly.

Yes, Sludge A.K.A. Sage, IS an idiot, a useful idiot.
Long ago Sludge admitted that he is part of the
cover-up of UFO's, thus Sludge and
NSA/NASA spOOk J. O-BORG are NOT
interested talking about the facts, so they lie.

O-BORG is a paid liar, don't ask him
about the thousands of crop-circles,
animal mutilations, abductions, trace cases,
radar sightings, military and ET bases,
back-engineering of alien craft, ETs coming
and going from military bases, alien implants,
etc. etc. etc.  O-BORG and Sludge would rather
talk about swamp gas and crash test dummies.

You really exposed those useful idiots!!

>If you're going to troll about using the name "The_Sage" and label as
>ignorant others who are far more educated and literate than yourself, you
>might try using SPELLCHECK to at least hide your own ignorance.

>why don't you go read a book or something.

Because they can't handle the truth!

 
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 More options Jul 31 2002, 11:52 pm
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From: thees...@azrmci.net (The_Sage)
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 03:51:21 GMT
Local: Wed, Jul 31 2002 11:51 pm
Subject: Re: Who Takes UFOs & E.T.s Seriously?//Only Every Police Station and Fire Department in America!!

>Reply to article by: Sir Arthur C. B. Wholeflaffers A.S.A. <nos...@newsranger.com>
>Date written: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 04:35:10 GMT
>MsgID:<2OJ19.32313$15.10...@www.newsranger.com>
>Yes, Sludge A.K.A. Sage, IS an idiot, a useful idiot.
>Long ago Sludge admitted that he is part of the
>cover-up of UFO's, thus Sludge and
>NSA/NASA spOOk J. O-BORG are NOT
>interested talking about the facts, so they lie.

I always thought you wanted people to take you and your UFO issues
seriously, but obviously you don't care. So go ahead and lie your arse
off, but it only makes the spOOks look more honest and intelligent
than you could ever hope to be.

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From: Sir Arthur C. B.Wholeflaffers A.S.A. <nos...@newsranger.com>
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 05:54:43 GMT
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Subject: Re: Who Takes UFOs & E.T.s Seriously?//Only Every Police Station and Fire Department in America!!
In article <3d48afba.3371...@news.rmci.net>, The_Sage says...

>>Reply to article by: Sir Arthur C. B. Wholeflaffers A.S.A. <nos...@newsranger.com>
>>Date written: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 04:35:10 GMT
>>MsgID:<2OJ19.32313$15.10...@www.newsranger.com>

>>Yes, Sludge A.K.A. Sage, IS an idiot, a useful idiot.
>>Long ago Sludge admitted that he is part of the
>>cover-up of UFO's, thus Sludge and
>>NSA/NASA spOOk J. O-BORG are NOT
>>interested talking about the facts, so they lie.

>I always thought you wanted people to take you and your UFO issues
>seriously, but obviously you don't care.

In a way you are right, I don't care what the spOOks,
debunkers and outright liars like yourself have to say;
since it is all swamp gas and hedge hogs.  No wonder
the debunkers credibility is down to 1%.  

>but it only makes the spOOks look more honest and intelligent
>than you could ever hope to be.

Doubtful.  At the end Sagan wouldn't even
dare debate Friedman, O-BORG somehow
sneaks on the Rense show, I guess they
must strong-arm him is my best guess.

Klass hasn't been on TeeVee for about
10 years  Steve Greer had the biggest
web broadcast in its history and UFO
web sites are #2 on the entire net.
So as usual, your assessment is totally
wrong, but what else is new.

And you have been exposed so many times
as a useful idiot, I kind of wonder why you
are still here.  The net has a ton of
trolls these days, and low-level operatives
who refuse to address the evidence,
but what else is new??


 
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From: s...@sss.sss (Laughing Last)
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 07:07:40 GMT
Local: Thurs, Aug 1 2002 3:07 am
Subject: Re: Who Takes UFOs & E.T.s Seriously?//Only Every Police Station and Fire Department in America!!
On Thu, 01 Aug 2002 05:54:43 GMT, Sir Arthur C. B.Wholeflaffers A.S.A.

<nos...@newsranger.com> wrote:
>And you have been exposed so many times
>as a useful idiot, I kind of wonder why you
>are still here.  The net has a ton of
>trolls these days, and low-level operatives
>who refuse to address the evidence,
>but what else is new??

Make sure you put yourself on your own
concentration camp list, because you're the biggest liar on Usenet.

 
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From: s...@sss.sss (Laughing Last)
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 07:09:09 GMT
Local: Thurs, Aug 1 2002 3:09 am
Subject: Re: Who Takes UFOs & E.T.s Seriously?//Only Every Police Station and Fire Department in America!!

On Thu, 01 Aug 2002 03:51:21 GMT, thees...@azrmci.net (The_Sage) wrote:
>>Reply to article by: Sir Arthur C. B. Wholeflaffers A.S.A. <nos...@newsranger.com>
>>Date written: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 04:35:10 GMT
>>MsgID:<2OJ19.32313$15.10...@www.newsranger.com>

>>Yes, Sludge A.K.A. Sage, IS an idiot, a useful idiot.
>>Long ago Sludge admitted that he is part of the
>>cover-up of UFO's, thus Sludge and
>>NSA/NASA spOOk J. O-BORG are NOT
>>interested talking about the facts, so they lie.

>I always thought you wanted people to take you and your UFO issues
>seriously, but obviously you don't care. So go ahead and lie your arse
>off, but it only makes the spOOks look more honest and intelligent
>than you could ever hope to be.

Anyone posting to Usenet under false pretenses isn't honest or intelligent.

And that includes you.


 
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Followup-To: alt.alien.research
From: "SAL" <s...@ziplip.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:36:54 +0200
Local: Thurs, Aug 1 2002 9:36 am
Subject: Re: Who Takes UFOs & E.T.s Seriously?//Only Every Police Station and Fire Department in America!!
"The_Sage" <thees...@azrmci.net> wrote in message

news:3d48afba.3371496@news.rmci.net...
---SNIP---

> I always thought you wanted people to take you and your UFO issues
> seriously, but obviously you don't care. So go ahead and lie your
> arse off, but it only makes the spOOks look more honest and
> intelligent than you could ever hope to be.

> The Sage

I always thought you wanted people to take UFO issues not seriously,
but obviously for reaching that goal you exclude data or use an
'explainaway'.

An 'explainaway' is an unscientific attemped for
reassurance, where you don't research the cause and just
give a reasonable explanation for the effect.

"I offered my comments as a way to reach those people who
have difficulty reasoning due to the conditioning of
Hollywood. It is a way out for them; a way to show them that
there is another more rational way of seeing things."
The Sage on http://home.rmci.net/thesage/UFO.htm
(page 1, Why debunk UFOs?)

"There is an unexplainable phenomenon and it has a
reasonable explanation, therefore I am not interested in the
cause, just the effect."
The Sage in 'Denial is not skepticism', alt.alien.visitors
Message 167 in thread, 2001-MAY-03 13:18:43 PST

"Remember that cause-and-effect are the cornerstone of the
scientific method."
See The Sage's most excellent writing on
http://home.rmci.net/thesage/Pseudosci.htm
(What is the scientific method?)

======
Humanoid sightings: mass hysteria (A), fantasy prone (B)
or EM radiation (C)?

=A=====
"Mass hysteria is any hysteria TRIGGERED by mob mentality or
mass media. A delayed reaction to a mass media event still
means it is a mass hysteria, even if the person is alone at
the time of the experience."

"Not a single successful argument has ever been made against
the claim that the UFO/ET fad is just another example of a
mass delusion."

"1. You cannot hear things that don't exist, 2. You cannot
see things that don't exist, 3. You cannot smell things that
don't exist, 4. You cannot taste things that don't exist,
and 5. You cannot feel things that don't exist."

"So the claim that all these multitudes of people coming
forth to say they saw a little gray men wouldn't be doing it
if there weren't some truth behind the phenomenon, is
demonstratably false!"

The Sage in 'MASS HYSTERIAS' and 'HUMANIOD MONSTER DELUSION'
on http://home.rmci.net/thesage/UFO.htm
(Page 5, What is the alien abduction syndrome?)

=B=====
INCLUDE the abductee's HISTORY and you come to the fantasy
prone personality (Wilson and Barber in Imagery, Current
Theory, Research an Application, 1983). A bibliographic
research (Newman and Baumeister in Psychological Inquiry 7,
1996) showed that 87% of the abductees suffer from this
personalitydisorder.

=C=====
INCLUDE ALSO the abductee's ENVIRONMENT and you come to the
electromagnetic pollution approach - EMPA (Budden, Electric
UFO's, 1999), where the TRIGGER is electromagnetic
radiation.

The Sage seem to ignore the obvious blatant fact that there
is legitimate physical evidence presently in existence, that
scientifically and rationally verifies the existence of an
EM presence; A verifiable CAUSE for hearing, seeing,
smelling, tasting and feeling things that don't exist,
delusions triggered by electromagnetic (EM) radiation.

======
Geosound "is produced in the earth's strata. It is
electrical activity underground - the equivalent of a
thunderstorm in the atmosphere. Geosound can be an
electronic-sounding squeal, or an intense buzzing like a
swarm of bees. Geosound is often accompanied by sulphurous
or 'electrical' smells [...]" [Chapter 6, Page 177]

The smells "can be created by, predictably, electrical
discharges in the air. Such discharges change the energy
states of various atoms, and numerous chemical compounds can
be formed. [...] nitrogen, making up 70 per cent of the air,
changes to a metastable state. This energized, or excited,
nitrogen is called 'activated' because it readily combines
with other atoms, whereas ordinary nitrogen does not: for
example, it can combine with hydrogen to form ammonia, and
with oxygen to form nitric oxide. It also reacts with other
gases in the air to form nitrobenzen, which is an oily
substance with a strong smell like bitter almonds. Ozone is
also smelt around electrical machinery to some extent and it
is commonly reported in association with CE
[Close-Encounter] experiences.
These processes could account for the smell alone, but it
could also have been produced as a hallucination by field
stimulation of the brain." [Chapter 3, Page 79]

Psychic Close Encounters
Albert Budden
Blandford, 1999
ISBN 0-7137-2799-3

======
All the examples outdate what Columbus saw in 1492 and the 1968 Condon
Report: Is it an indication that there is progress been made in the
research of the Alien Abduction Phenomenon?

======
This is a combination of my 2002-07-28 'For The Sage: Mass Hysteria?'
and
2002-07-31 'Abduction: mass hysteria, fantasy prone or EM radiation?'
posts.

--
Bart Meinen

The Study of Anthropoid Life forms (SAL)
http://home.hetnet.nl/~wc/index2.html
For NON-FRAMERS:
http://home.hetnet.nl/~wc/MENU-UK.htm
Click on "Electro Magnetism"


 
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From: thees...@azrmci.net (The_Sage)
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 03:53:56 GMT
Local: Thurs, Aug 1 2002 11:53 pm
Subject: Re: Who Takes UFOs & E.T.s Seriously?//Only Every Police Station and Fire Department in America!!

>Reply to article by: s...@sss.sss (Laughing Last)
>Date written: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 07:09:09 GMT
>MsgID:<3d4cde52.14825...@news.erols.com>
>Anyone posting to Usenet under false pretenses isn't honest or intelligent.
>And that includes you.

Since I don't post under false pretenses, I don't see what relevancy
this has to me. Maybe you're the one who isn't being honest or
intelligent with us here? Do you know something that the rest of us
don't know? Pray tell.

The Sage

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From: thees...@azrmci.net (The_Sage)
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 05:19:47 GMT
Local: Fri, Aug 2 2002 1:19 am
Subject: Re: Who Takes UFOs & E.T.s Seriously?//Only Every Police Station and Fire Department in America!!

>Reply to article by: Sir Arthur C. B.Wholeflaffers A.S.A. <nos...@newsranger.com>
>Date written: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 05:54:43 GMT
>MsgID:<D2429.32519$15.10...@www.newsranger.com>
>>I always thought you wanted people to take you and your UFO issues
>>seriously, but obviously you don't care.
>In a way you are right

I know.

The Sage

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the best part of yourself" -- ??
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From: Frank Schnabel <frank...@sympatico.ca>
Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 17:51:46 GMT
Local: Sat, Aug 3 2002 1:51 pm
Subject: Re: Who Takes UFOs & E.T.s Seriously?//Only Every Police Station and Fire Department in America!!
Thé Whølƒl僃ér ÇøñtîñÜÜM <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote in
news:_mV09.31774$15.10490@www.newsranger.com on Sun, 28 Jul 2002
16:56:26 GMT:

> Who Takes UFOs & E.T.s Seriously?//Only Every Police Station and Fire
> Department in America!!

Good God, Artie!  I remember you posting this claptrap four years ago.  
Your claims were shot to hell then, but you've decided to trot it out one
more time.

When will you learn?


 
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From: Mark Shippey <c...@anti-grey.net>
Date: 3 Aug 2002 14:20:39 -0400
Local: Sat, Aug 3 2002 2:20 pm
Subject: Re: Who Takes UFOs & E.T.s Seriously?//Only Every Police Station and Fire Department in America!!

Frank Schnabel <frank...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Good God, Artie!  I remember you posting this claptrap four years ago.  
> Your claims were shot to hell then, but you've decided to trot it out one
> more time.

   Has has posted this one and many others over and over again.
   Some probably dozens of times.
   This is all he has, redundant words, and no real proof.

> When will you learn?

   The only thing he seems to have learned is that he
now has stopped pretending he is a Doctor and giving
bogus medical advice in support newsgroups.

 
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From: Thé Whølƒl僃ér ÇøñüñDRÜM <nos...@newsranger.com>
Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 14:04:45 GMT
Local: Sun, Aug 4 2002 10:04 am
Subject: Re: Who Takes UFOs & E.T.s Seriously?//Only Every Police Station and Fire Department in America!!
In article <Xns925F8CE81A113frankschsympatic...@192.168.101.2>, Frank Schnabel
says...

>Thé Whølƒl僃ér ÇøñtîñÜÜM <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote in
>news:_mV09.31774$15.10490@www.newsranger.com on Sun, 28 Jul 2002
>16:56:26 GMT:

>> Who Takes UFOs & E.T.s Seriously?//Only Every Police Station and Fire
>> Department in America!!

>Good God, Artie!  I remember you posting this claptrap four years ago.  
>Your claims were shot to hell then...

Wrong.  None, I repeat, "None" of my material
has ever been refuted by a reputable poster.
The "reputable" part eliminates the trolls from this
group and spOOksthe  like O-BORG. Borsch and Echelon®.
- - - - -- -- --
Who Takes UFOs & E.T.s Seriously?//Only Every Police Station and Fire Department
in America!!

The Fire Officer's Guide To Disaster Control

The Fire Officer's Guide To Disaster Control by William M. Kramer, Ph.D. and
Charles W. Bahme, J.D. is a totally serious book which is found in all fire and
police department libraries across the United States.  In June 1993, a new
chapter (pp. 458-473) was added to this book.  Bahme  himself saw "UFOs" fly
over Los Angeles on Aug. 26, 1942, and they were subsequently fired upon by
ground defenses which killed nine people.  During the Korean War, Bahme was
Security Coordinator for the Chief of Naval Operations.  The Guide is published
by the Delaware State Fire School and made available through the Fire
Engineering Book Service at 800-752-9768.

The Fire Officer's Guide To Disaster Control can also be found in your local
library.  The Dewey Decimal number is 363.378.  The ISBN # is 0-912212-26-8.
Ask the local librarian for help if you have trouble finding this.  If it is
checked out, you may put a reserve on it when it is returned.  This is for the
benefit of all the UFO debunkers out there who can't figure out how to use a
library!

Chapter 13 is titled "Enemy Attack and UFO Potential" and it starts on page 439
and goes through to page 473, references are included.   Page number 458 is
where the UFO material begins, the main heading is "The UFO Threat - - A Fact."
So now you know that every police and fire department has on hand instructions
on how to handle a UFO "crisis."  Under the main heading, as listed above, the
authors explain"...interest in UFOs was greatly heightened when Congress in 1969
adopted a law which gave the NASA Administrator the arbitrary discretion to
quarantine under armed guard any object, person, or other form of life which has
been extraterrestrially exposed."

The next heading, is called, "UFO Discussion - - Why Now?"  It goes on to
explain how, during the early morning hours of August 26, 1942, sirens had
signaled and "spectacular aerial fireworks filled the heavens all around."  It
has since become known as "The Los Angeles Air Raid of 1942,"  The was the
army's' response to an UFO flyover, which was treated as an hostile "attack."

The following two chapters describe the UFO classification systems devised by
Dr. J. Allen Hynek, and the various shapes, speeds and maneuverability "not
attainable by aircraft of any kind commonly observed," of UFOs.  The authors
have a warning to the readers who have made up their minds that there is no such
things as UFOs,  "...notwithstanding the overwhelming evidence to the contrary,
it should be pointed out that there is circumstantial evidence that disastrous
effects have already been attributed to UFO activity in more than one nation,
including the United States!"

The "History of UFOs" details the "hundreds of years of mysterious objects in
the sky and strange moving lights" along with the World War II description of
"Foo Fighters."  Also explained is the Apollo 11 mission, where Armstrong,
Aldrin and Collins "reported sightings of what seemed to be a UFO during the
first half of their flight to the lunar surface."  Moreover, "There were many
more sightings by U.S. and Soviet Astronauts.  On November, 11, 1966, Gemini XII
astronauts Jim Lovell and Edwin Aldrin said that they saw four UFOs linked
together."   Dr. J. Allen Hynek emphatically stated, "Where they are coming from
and why they are here is a matter of conjecture, but the fact that they were
here on this planet is beyond a reasonable doubt."

Why The Secrecy?

The section titled, "Why the Secrecy?" starts off detailing Jim and Carol
Lorenzos' book "UFOs Over America" in how "...the CIA has been closely involved
in collection and suppression of UFO information.  Witnesses to the phenomena
have been bribed, coerced, and threatened by the CIA, who wanted valuable
evidence given to them alone."

One reason given is that military intelligence may view the UFOs as a tool of
either a known or unknown potential enemy.   "If these vehicles prove evasive
and surreptitious, all the more reason to suspect them...the probability looms
large that the minds behind these vehicles may well be gathering intelligence of
their own."

Another reason for secrecy may lie in the hope of obtaining knowledge relating
to advanced propulsion methods and ANTI-GRAVITY systems before other potential
enemies on earth may acquire it.  Hence, though many nations are secretly
investigating UFOs, they are reluctant to share their findings.  Robert Lofton,
in his book "Identified Flying Saucers," claims that the Air Force became the
"goat" in the effort of the CIA to DEBUNK  many sightings by pilots, radar
technicians, and reliable civilian observers.  He thinks that the suppression of
information about how dangerous UFOs can be is wrong.

Major Donald Keyhoe describes in his book "Aliens From Space, The Real Story Of
UFOs," the difficulties he had in 1957 in trying to get the truth from
government agencies after he was director of NICAP, at the time the world's
largest UFO research organization  with over 30 subcommittees in the U.S. and
abroad.

According to some UFOlogists the attempts at cover-up by the CIA extends to
destruction of evidence that it could not confiscate.  Apparently some of our
nation's important leaders have been denied access to some UFO secrets in the
possession of an agency of the United States, the very existence of which is
classified ABOVE TOP SECRET!  Ex-Presidential nominee and a retired Air Force
Reserve Brigadier General, Barry Goldwater was quoted as saying, "I think some
highly secret government UFO investigations are going on that we don't know
about--and probably never will unless the Air Force discloses them."  Goldwater
said he was refused permission to check the Air Force files on UFOs!

Unleashed by the policy of Glasnost [greater openness] the Soviet media felt
free to include accounts of UFO sightings.  A Tass report of October 10, 1989,
reported a large shiny ball or disk hovering over a Voronezh park, residents saw
the UFO land and three creatures similar to human beings emerged, accompanied by
a robot.  ---One wonders when we in America are going to have an AMERICAN
GLASNOST in regards to the alien presence--  In 1966, Representative Gerald Ford
responded to a rash of sightings in his home state of Michigan by calling for,
and getting, a House hearing on UFOs.

UFO Missions

Many reasons have been advanced for the purpose of the UFOs visits to our
planet.  Although some of the persons who apparently have been the subjects of
genetic investigation, the majority of those who have studied possible UFO
visitors, feel that they are friendly.

From the thousands of reports he has studied, William Spaulding, aerospace
engineer and head of the Arizona-based ground Saucer Watch, believes that a
pattern indicates that UFOs are here on a surveillance mission; the fact that a
majority of sightings occur around our military installations, research and
development areas leads to the conclusion that a methodical study is being made
of the earth and its defensive and offensive capabilities.  "The phenomena is
not unlike our own space explorations; scout ship surveys; soil samples;
landings."

In his book "Incident at Exeter,"  John Fuller discusses the seeming affinity of
UFOs for electrical power lines in the northeastern part of the United States.
In a later section of this chapter dealing with the effects of UFOs on our
terrestrial activities, we will see how this affinity may have been responsible
for causing 36 million people to lose power over an area of 8,000 square miles.

Because of our recent adventures into space, there are some who speculate that
UFOs are more concerned with what we will do there, than in settling here.  In
any event, the Air Force's official publication (issued by the Government
Printing Office 1968) called "Flying Objects" says that "No UFO has been
determined to represent a threat to our national security."  That conclusion,
however, should not rule out less disastrous consequences than the overthrow of
our government.

Adverse Potential of UFOs

Despite the skepticism of scientists, the UFOs sent from other planets do exist
and have visited earth.  UFOs may have exhibited some destructive effects,
whether or not intentionally in every instance, which we need to consider when
drafting a plan for coping with an emergency situation where UFOs are involved.
Some of these documented effects are as follows:

UFO Hazards

The two principal hazards noted with relation to UFOs have been attributed to
powerful electrical fields which they can project in a general or localized area
and the psychological effects they have produced on the general populace or
individual contacts.

Force Field Impact

The disruption of air and ground travel has often been reported in the presence
of UFOs.  The ignition systems of auto and aircraft engines have apparently been
affected by energized force fields to such an extent as to stop their operation;
the headlights and radios also ceased to function.  These effects have also been
noted to influence the controls and instruments of aircraft, e.g., the pilot of
a Piper PH-24 reported that his controls became inoperable when he ...

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 More options Aug 10 2002, 9:47 pm
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From: Frank Schnabel <frank...@sympatico.ca>
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 01:42:30 GMT
Local: Sat, Aug 10 2002 9:42 pm
Subject: Re: Who Takes UFOs & E.T.s Seriously?//Only Every Police Station and Fire Department in America!!
Thé Whølƒl僃ér ÇøñüñDRÜM <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote in
news:1wa39.33096$15.10674@www.newsranger.com on Sun, 04 Aug 2002
14:04:45 GMT:

> Wrong.  None, I repeat, "None" of my material
> has ever been refuted by a reputable poster.
> The "reputable" part eliminates the trolls from this
> group and spOOksthe  like O-BORG. Borsch and Echelon(r).

Ah, yes, the standard UFO kook ploy: attack the person not the argument.  
Simply dismiss the person as not credible, that way you don't have to
respond to actual arguments.

But back to your claims...

I didn't have time to read your entire post; it just seemed to go on and on
(you really must learn to only post the main points).  Fire departments
and, more importantly, police departments do need some training to deal
with the mass confusion and/or hysteria that can come from UFO sightings.  
To deny this is only naivety.  I would be very surprise if the reference
that you cited is an actual explanation of what to do if aliens invade.


 
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Subject: Re: Who Takes UFOs & E.T.s Seriously?//Only Every Police Station and Fire Department in America!!

Forwarded from the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:
Note: We archive 100's of "Paranormal Reports & Theories" posts at:
http://www.msen.com/~lloyd/oldprojects/recentmail.html

From: Thé Whølƒl僃ér ÇøñüñDRÜM <nos...@newsranger.com>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.alien.research,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.conspiracy
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