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The Fire Officer's Guide To Disaster Control
The Fire Officer's Guide To Disaster Control by William M. Kramer, Ph.D. and
Charles W. Bahme, J.D. is a totally serious book which is found in all fire and
police department libraries across the United States. In June 1993, a new
chapter (pp. 458-473) was added to this book. Bahme himself saw "UFOs" fly
over Los Angeles on Aug. 26, 1942, and they were subsequently fired upon by
ground defenses which killed nine people. During the Korean War, Bahme was
Security Coordinator for the Chief of Naval Operations. The Guide is published
by the Delaware State Fire School and made available through the Fire
Engineering Book Service at 800-752-9768.
The Fire Officer's Guide To Disaster Control can also be found in your local
library. The Dewey Decimal number is 363.378. The ISBN # is 0-912212-26-8.
Ask the local librarian for help if you have trouble finding this. If it is
checked out, you may put a reserve on it when it is returned. This is for the
benefit of all the UFO debunkers out there who can't figure out how to use a
library!
Chapter 13 is titled "Enemy Attack and UFO Potential" and it starts on page 439
and goes through to page 473, references are included. Page number 458 is
where the UFO material begins, the main heading is "The UFO Threat - - A Fact."
So now you know that every police and fire department has on hand instructions
on how to handle a UFO "crisis." Under the main heading, as listed above, the
authors explain"...interest in UFOs was greatly heightened when Congress in 1969
adopted a law which gave the NASA Administrator the arbitrary discretion to
quarantine under armed guard any object, person, or other form of life which has
been extraterrestrially exposed."
The next heading, is called, "UFO Discussion - - Why Now?" It goes on to
explain how, during the early morning hours of August 26, 1942, sirens had
signaled and "spectacular aerial fireworks filled the heavens all around." It
has since become known as "The Los Angeles Air Raid of 1942," The was the
army's' response to an UFO flyover, which was treated as an hostile "attack."
The following two chapters describe the UFO classification systems devised by
Dr. J. Allen Hynek, and the various shapes, speeds and maneuverability "not
attainable by aircraft of any kind commonly observed," of UFOs. The authors
have a warning to the readers who have made up their minds that there is no such
things as UFOs, "...notwithstanding the overwhelming evidence to the contrary,
it should be pointed out that there is circumstantial evidence that disastrous
effects have already been attributed to UFO activity in more than one nation,
including the United States!"
The "History of UFOs" details the "hundreds of years of mysterious objects in
the sky and strange moving lights" along with the World War II description of
"Foo Fighters." Also explained is the Apollo 11 mission, where Armstrong,
Aldrin and Collins "reported sightings of what seemed to be a UFO during the
first half of their flight to the lunar surface." Moreover, "There were many
more sightings by U.S. and Soviet Astronauts. On November, 11, 1966, Gemini XII
astronauts Jim Lovell and Edwin Aldrin said that they saw four UFOs linked
together." Dr. J. Allen Hynek emphatically stated, "Where they are coming from
and why they are here is a matter of conjecture, but the fact that they were
here on this planet is beyond a reasonable doubt."
Why The Secrecy?
The section titled, "Why the Secrecy?" starts off detailing Jim and Carol
Lorenzos' book "UFOs Over America" in how "...the CIA has been closely involved
in collection and suppression of UFO information. Witnesses to the phenomena
have been bribed, coerced, and threatened by the CIA, who wanted valuable
evidence given to them alone."
One reason given is that military intelligence may view the UFOs as a tool of
either a known or unknown potential enemy. "If these vehicles prove evasive
and surreptitious, all the more reason to suspect them...the probability looms
large that the minds behind these vehicles may well be gathering intelligence of
their own."
Another reason for secrecy may lie in the hope of obtaining knowledge relating
to advanced propulsion methods and ANTI-GRAVITY systems before other potential
enemies on earth may acquire it. Hence, though many nations are secretly
investigating UFOs, they are reluctant to share their findings. Robert Lofton,
in his book "Identified Flying Saucers," claims that the Air Force became the
"goat" in the effort of the CIA to DEBUNK many sightings by pilots, radar
technicians, and reliable civilian observers. He thinks that the suppression of
information about how dangerous UFOs can be is wrong.
Major Donald Keyhoe describes in his book "Aliens From Space, The Real Story Of
UFOs," the difficulties he had in 1957 in trying to get the truth from
government agencies after he was director of NICAP, at the time the world's
largest UFO research organization with over 30 subcommittees in the U.S. and
abroad.
According to some UFOlogists the attempts at cover-up by the CIA extends to
destruction of evidence that it could not confiscate. Apparently some of our
nation's important leaders have been denied access to some UFO secrets in the
possession of an agency of the United States, the very existence of which is
classified ABOVE TOP SECRET! Ex-Presidential nominee and a retired Air Force
Reserve Brigadier General, Barry Goldwater was quoted as saying, "I think some
highly secret government UFO investigations are going on that we don't know
about--and probably never will unless the Air Force discloses them." Goldwater
said he was refused permission to check the Air Force files on UFOs!
Unleashed by the policy of Glasnost [greater openness] the Soviet media felt
free to include accounts of UFO sightings. A Tass report of October 10, 1989,
reported a large shiny ball or disk hovering over a Voronezh park, residents saw
the UFO land and three creatures similar to human beings emerged, accompanied by
a robot. ---One wonders when we in America are going to have an AMERICAN
GLASNOST in regards to the alien presence-- In 1966, Representative Gerald Ford
responded to a rash of sightings in his home state of Michigan by calling for,
and getting, a House hearing on UFOs.
UFO Missions
Many reasons have been advanced for the purpose of the UFOs visits to our
planet. Although some of the persons who apparently have been the subjects of
genetic investigation, the majority of those who have studied possible UFO
visitors, feel that they are friendly.
From the thousands of reports he has studied, William Spaulding, aerospace
engineer and head of the Arizona-based ground Saucer Watch, believes that a
pattern indicates that UFOs are here on a surveillance mission; the fact that a
majority of sightings occur around our military installations, research and
development areas leads to the conclusion that a methodical study is being made
of the earth and its defensive and offensive capabilities. "The phenomena is
not unlike our own space explorations; scout ship surveys; soil samples;
landings."
In his book "Incident at Exeter," John Fuller discusses the seeming affinity of
UFOs for electrical power lines in the northeastern part of the United States.
In a later section of this chapter dealing with the effects of UFOs on our
terrestrial activities, we will see how this affinity may have been responsible
for causing 36 million people to lose power over an area of 8,000 square miles.
Because of our recent adventures into space, there are some who speculate that
UFOs are more concerned with what we will do there, than in settling here. In
any event, the Air Force's official publication (issued by the Government
Printing Office 1968) called "Flying Objects" says that "No UFO has been
determined to represent a threat to our national security." That conclusion,
however, should not rule out less disastrous consequences than the overthrow of
our government.
Adverse Potential of UFOs
Despite the skepticism of scientists, the UFOs sent from other planets do exist
and have visited earth. UFOs may have exhibited some destructive effects,
whether or not intentionally in every instance, which we need to consider when
drafting a plan for coping with an emergency situation where UFOs are involved.
Some of these documented effects are as follows:
UFO Hazards
The two principal hazards noted with relation to UFOs have been attributed to
powerful electrical fields which they can project in a general or localized area
and the psychological effects they have produced on the general populace or
individual contacts.
Force Field Impact
The disruption of air and ground travel has often been reported in the presence
of UFOs. The ignition systems of auto and aircraft engines have apparently been
affected by energized force fields to such an extent as to stop their operation;
the headlights and radios also ceased to function. These effects have also been
noted to influence the controls and instruments of aircraft, e.g., the pilot of
a Piper PH-24 reported that his controls became inoperable when he was
approached by three disk-shaped objects, 10 to 12 feet in diameter, over Mexico
City on May 3, 1975. Similar cases have been reported by military pilots,
illustrated by the classic case of the near mid-air collision of an army
helicopter with a UFO on October 18, 1973, over Ohio, where not only did both
the UHF and VHF radio wavelengths go dead temporarily, but the downward movement
of the helicopter with its four occupants was levitated upward by a green beam
from the UFO in time to prevent its crash into the ground.
Communications Disruption
In addition to the impedance or radio transmissions and reception, telephone
interference has occurred, illustrated by the chagrin of President Lyndon
Johnson in having his conversation from the Texas White House cut off while
talking to assistants in Washington D.C. The ability to render inoperable all
electronic forms of communications, including those that control the launching
of defense weapons systems, has been considered within the range of UFO
capability. Whether this could extend to the erasing of recorded computer data
such as bank records, personnel data, FBI, CIA and NSA files, along with
critical information of every kind, is not beyond the realm of possibility.
Regional Power Blackouts
It has long been suspected that UFOs have the capability of blacking out a city,
state, or many states by exerting a force field sufficient to overload the
circuits of public and private utility installations. Few things are more
disturbing than to be plunged into pitch darkness without warning; it is
dangerous for masses of people. It paralyzes cities, blocks highways, stops
trains, leaves elevators suspended between floors. In general, it simply plays
hell with the modern way of life.
The Granddaddy of all blackouts to date was the stygian blanket that fell over
30 million people in the northeastern corner of the U.S. during the early
evening rush hour period on November 9, 1965. Relay services that were supposed
to automatically transfer the load in case of failure in one area to an
alternate source malfunctioned. Military communications relying on public power
without alternate backup systems also failed, but communications were operable
to make a quick public announcement that there was no military emergency.
Fireballs Over Syracuse--The Blackout Connection
Airplane pilots reported that UFOs were being chased across Pennsylvania about
4:30 p.m., and electronics and construction engineers who were driving in the
area of the Syracuse airport saw UFOs moving about 5:30 p.m., just prior to the
Great Blackout. A veteran flight instructor who had been flying over Syracuse
on a training flight saw a glowing globe over the power lines leading to the
Niagara Falls generating plant. Hundreds of others saw the glowing object in
the sky on the night of the big power failure.
That was on November 9th. On December 2nd, about 700,000 persons in Texas, New
Mexico, and Mexico also had their power fail. It was said to have originated in
a regular failure in El Paso; then on December 5th, three nights later, 40,000
homes plus military installations in the area of East Texas were also blacked
out--overloaded! Missile grounds (White Sands), Fort Bliss, Holloman Air Base,
and numerous airports were all blacked out (with no emergency power backup), and
this was when President Johnson's telephone call to the White House in
Washington was cut off.
An incident on April 18, 1962, involving a UFO that had been tracked from New
York, through Kansas to Eureka, Utah, is well documented. The Air Force
spokesman admitted that the object had landed, and during the 42 minutes that it
was on the ground near the power station there was no power, but it was restored
when the UFO left. The object was pursued by jet interceptors summoned from
Phoenix and Stead Field in Reno until it exploded over the Mesquite Range in
Nevada in a brilliant glare that was visible over five states.
UFOs--The Panic Hazard
The second major disastrous effect that UFO activity, real or imagined, can have
on the populace, is the creation of fear, panic, flight, and all kinds of
irrational behavior.
Though most persons reporting UFOs do not interpret them as personal threats, it
is possible that some of the large volume of reports may be attributable to
hysterical contagion. In any case, one of the reasons often cited for the tight
secrecy on government UFO research findings is the need to prevent the possible
panic that a revelation of the truth might arouse. Hysteria could cause
frightened persons to imagine that their water was poisoned, the air
contaminated with undetectable but lethal aerosols or nerve gas. With hundreds
of UFO squadrons zooming across the landscape from California to New York,
Toronto to Mexico City, communications disrupted, widespread power failures,
airports and railroads paralyzed, highways turned into giant parking lots of
immobilized vehicles full of terrified motorists, the problem of restoring order
and sanity would be a tremendous challenge to all of the emergency services,
assuming their personnel would remain calm, detached, and able to resist the
human impulse to put the safety and well being of their own families ahead of
the public's. To make matters worse, some of the more excitable gun owners
might be tempted to rush out Rambo fashion, and in utter disregard of the damage
that falling bullets might cause innocent residents below their fallout, start
firing at the evasive objects regardless of the range.
Personal Hazards--Physiological
The force field affects on the physical environment - communication,
transportation, illumination, and computerized data storage--have already been
considered. We might have added that some physical effects have been observed
at locations where UFOs have landed--circular patterns of crops destroyed by
heat or radiation and baking or sterilization of the soil at the site.
On a more practical basis there may be grounds for concern that more than just
the environment can be adversely affected by UFO actions. While pursuing UFOs,
military aircraft have disappeared in mid-air, exploded, and suffered
harassment. Persons on the ground have sustained serious burns, paralysis, and
"blows" from a force field, radiated emissions, or rays and beams that have been
described like that of a "stun-gun."
An Indiana man saw a bright light flash pass his window; the power went off in
his house so he went outside to investigate and found a brilliantly lit object
hovering above him; when he started to walk toward it his body commenced to
tingle and he was unable to move until the object disappeared. Some believe
that even animals may be at risk by UFOs; in trying to account for the death of
15 ponies, the leader of an investigative team believed they were crushed by the
anti-gravity field of a flying saucer as it took off.
Thus, UFOs may not only have the power to control some of our military and
industrial establishment's highly technical scientific hardware, they may also
possess the ability to impose pain and control over people who attempt to attack
them, even to the extent of "liquidating" them in one way or another.
UFOs--Emergency Action
In view of the fact that many UFOlogists believe that we are fast approaching a
time when overt landings of UFOs will become less remarkable, and in the absence
of our knowing whether their visits are friendly or hostile, it would not be
remiss to give some thought to the part that fire departments might play in the
event of the unexpected arrival of UFOs in their communities. For example, what
would be your course of action as an incident commander at the scene of a school
ground where a UFO has crashed into the boiler room, rupturing a fuel line, and
ignition has occurred in the spilling oil, endangering the occupants of the
craft who are trapped in the wreckage? If your rescue attempts are successful,
and two of the five small alien creatures are injured but still alive, how do
you dispose of the dead and treat the survivors? How would the presence of
children on the school grounds affect your actions? What persons and agencies
would be notified?
In view of the federal law empowering NASA's administrator to impound, without a
hearing, anyone who touches a UFO or its occupants, it would be inadvisable to
make personal contact unless you are willing to submit to NASA's quarantine
requirements, should the law be invoked.
Besides the possible physical effect of approaching a UFO, e.g., burns,
radiation, etc. there may be psychological effects produced by force fields that
could induce a hypnotic state in the viewer; loss of consciousness, memory
relapse, and submission to the occupants. Jacques Vallee cautions that we
should consider psychic effects, such as space-time distortions experienced by
percipients of craft-like devices which appear to fade away--dematerialize--and
then reappear; of alien, strange voices or thoughts that many effect involuntary
changes in the manner in which witnesses may react in such circumstances.
In the absence of overt acts indicating hostility, there may be no danger in
approaching a landing (or landed) UFO with a positive, solicitous attitude of
wanting to be of service. This nonaggressive mental state may be telepathically
sensed by those aboard or emerging from the craft; a form of nonvocal
communication is a possibility. It goes without saying that any display of
firearms or other weapons on your part could be construed as unfriendly and
likely to thwart your intention of conveying a helpful attitude.
In a best case scenario, you may be able to obtain guidance as to the
appropriate actions to take, whether of a life-saving nature, or even in the
reduction of apprehension on the part of your response team and the spectators.
In a less optimistic scenario, you may have engine trouble upon approaching the
scene, and radio contact could be lost with your dispatcher. If at night, your
headlights could go out, the city could be blacked out, and your portable
generators may malfunction when you attempt to use them for fans and portable
lights. It would certainly be an inopportune time for your comrades to announce
that they had decided to take their pensions, effective immediately.
In any event, the incident could provide invaluable experience for further
training in coping with rare and difficult emergencies. Whatever "inside"
information you are able to pass along to your fellow officers and citizens of
the world might help to alleviate unreasonable fear. Truth is the best cure for
the unknown.
CONCLUSIONS
Some fire chiefs have little confidence in disaster plans, especially those
dealing with UFOs. If you develop a plan that sets forth your
responsibilities, resources, organizations, supplies information, telephone
numbers, and special data that will be useful in obtaining help and fulfilling
your role in disaster control, commit it to an electronic medium, a computer
with a capability for continuous updating through modern word processing. Bring
it forth when the need requires. With a good plan, good leadership, and
adequate resources, you may save many lives in any disaster.
------- As you can see, the answer to the question, "Who Takes Unidentified
Flying Objects and their Extraterrestrial Pilots Seriously?" is every fire
department and police station in the United States. And for good reason, no
matter what the UFO debunkers would have you believe, the job of our emergency
control officers is to plan for every conceivable disaster. And they take the
Chapter on "UFO's - A Fact" very seriously. And this author suggests, so should
you!
Thank you to Donald Ware for the first part of this article and the inspiration
to find the truth.
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WARNING--UFO's--WARNING--UFO's//From your local Fire and Police Departments!
From your local Fire Department and Police Department:
Warning:
"Near approaches of UFOs can be harmful to human beings. Do not stand under a
UFO that is hovering at a low altitude. Do not touch or attempt to touch a UFO
that has landed. In either case, the safe thing to do is to get away from these
very quickly and let the "Military" take over. There is a possibility of
radiation danger and there are known cases where people have been burned by rays
emanating form UFOs. Don't take chances with UFOs"
WARNING---WARNING---WARNING--WARNING
"Do Not Take Chances With UFO's"
Excerpted from "The Fire Officer's Guide To Disaster Control" by William Kramer
Ph.D. and Charles Bahme J.D.. This manual is found in EVERY police and fire
department in America.
[Please make copies of the above WARNING
and post it around known UFO hot-spots!]]
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UFOs in Fire Officer's Guide to Disaster Control
Chapter 13 of the 1994 Fire Officer's Guide to Disaster Control
entitled "Enemy Attack and UFO Potential". It begins with, "In this
chapter we will now turn our attention to the very real threat posed
by Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs), whether they exist or not."
The document goes on to say, "We will see, as we continue our
discussion in this chapter, that widespread blackouts, communication
disruptions, and other potentially disastrous conditions have been
linked directly to UFO sightings." The document discusses the 1942
"Los Angeles Air Raid" and other UFO incidents.
To give you a better idea of what exactly the document discusses, I
have listed the chapter subtitles below.
I. THE UFO THREAT - A FACT
a. UFO Discussion - Why Now?
b. UFO Background Information
c. UFOs - What Are They?
d. UFO Classification System
e. Shapes of UFOs
f. History of UFOs
g. UFO Organizations
h. Why the Secrecy?
i. UFO Missions
II. ADVERSE POTENTIAL OF UFOs
a. UFO Hazards
b. Force Field Impact
c. Communications Disruption
d. Regional Power Blackouts
e. Fireballs Over Syracuse - The Blackout Connection
f. UFOs - The Panic Hazard
g. Personal Hazards - Physiological
III. UFOs - EMERGENCY ACTION
I had heard of this manual several years ago, but I just got it
several days ago. I must say that it is very interesting. A teacher
at my high school who is also a UFO researcher was also very
interested. Although the information in it will be nothing new to
UFO researchers, it is impressive, especially when one considers
that this is a fire official's disaster guide. The manual doesn't
come out and say UFOs are real, but it is written as if it is known
that they are. And somebody thought that UFOs are real enough to
warrant inclusion in this manual.
From: Blair Cummins
A quote from the manual: WARNING: "Near approaches of UFOs can be
hazardous to human beings. Do not stand under a UFO that is hovering
at low altitude. Do not touch or attempt to touch a UFO that has
landed. In either case, the best thing to do is to get away from
there very quickly and LET THE MILITARY TAKE OVER (my emphasis).
There is a possibility of radiation danger and there are known cases
where persons have been burned by rays emanating from UFOs. Don't
take chances with UFOs!"
Fire Officer's Guide To Disaster Control
Guard Against Complacency
It is easy for those of us in North America to consider the
possibility of enemy attack as being quite remote. While it is true
that this continent has not been visited with the death and
destruction accompanying past wars. We have found in each generation
that wars are all too common and could indeed at some future date
involve our country. Certainly many portions of North America are
within easy range of enemy nuclear submarines and we could, at the
least expected time, be suddenly involved in a conflict.
The Persian Gulf War served as an example of how quickly the United
States can find itself in military conflict. Hence there is always a
need to guard against the complacency that has evolved as our
country; has enjoyed relative insulation from previous wars.
The UFO Threat - a Fact
In this chapter we will now turn our attention to the very real
threat posed by Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs) whether they
exist or note The well-documented and highly publicized War of the
Worlds radio drama by Orson Wells shows how even a perceived
existence to alien creatures can cause very real disaster like
conditions and panic among a given populace In addition. if the
apparent v visits by alien beings and their space vehicles should
pose any type of threat it will. as always be the fire service that
is called upon to provide the first line of life-saving defense and
disaster mitigation.
On April 25. 1991 radio station KSHE in St. Louis. Missouri was
fined $25,000 by the Federal Communications Commission for
broadcasting a mock warning of a nuclear attack during the Persian
Gulf War The seriousness with which the FCC treated this case is
indicative of the very real panic that can be created from even
illusionary or fictional phenomena. Certainly if these unexplainable
events become more prevalent. the possibility of panic could be even
greater: and again. the fire department will be the agency called
upon to handle the situation.(35) Hence as we near the year 2000 and
move beyond. any comprehensive disaster plan should address the
potential for panic and other deleterious effects that might be{ail
a populated area when unexplainable phenomena occur. We will see 35
we continue our discussion in this chapter. that widespread
blackouts. Communication d.. disruptions and other potentially
disastrous conditions have been linked directly to UFO sightings.
Hence fire service leaders who want to ensure that their disaster
planning is complete will not neglect an appendix to outline those
things that could be done in preparation (or the occurrence of such
phenomena.
Throughout this book, many of the references to actual events are
based on the experiences of both of the authors. However. n this
area of UFOs and their potential we are relying largely on the
research and experiences of Charles Bahme. Chuck has made a
considerable study of this subject and is acquiring many
publications and VCR tapes to augment his library on this and
related phenomena. His interest in UFOs was greatly heightened when
Congress in 1969 adopted a law (14 CFR Ch.. V Part
1211ÑExtraterrestrial Exposure) which gave the NASA Administrator
the arbitrary discretion to quarantine under armed guard any object,
person, or other form of life which has been extraterrestrially
exposed. The very fact that our congressmen believed there was a
necessity for such drastic authority made Chuck wonder if they had
only our astronauts in mind when they adopted it. Could it be
applied to anyone who has had a UFO encounter? Whether it has or not
is not likely to be a topic for public dissemination.
UFO Discussion Why Now?
The subject of UFOs (Unidentified Flying Objects) was not included
in previous editions of this book. The first edition was the
Handbook of Disaster Control which Chuck personally published in
1952 following his release from active naval duty in the Korean War.
Although his services in the conflict as Security Coordinator for
the Chief of Naval Operations involved the creation of a worldwide
disaster control organization for the protection of the physical
properties of the Navy it must be admitted that the directives
approved for this new organization did not reflect any significant
concern for a flying saucer threat to its shore establishment. That
was in the 1950s. Now that we are in the 1990s it is doubtful that
the UFO potential would be brushed off so lightly by our military
security forces. This change of attitude was evidenced as far back
as December 24, 1959 when the Inspector General of the Air Force
issued the following Operations and Training Order - "Unidentified
Flying ObjectsÑsometimes treated lightly by the press and referred
to as 'Flying Saucers'Ñmust be rapidly and accurately identified as
serious Air Force business...."(36)
There is no uncertainty about the reality of the war between nations
on our planet and the disastrous effects of military actions. The
200 sorties flown every hour against Irag In the Persian Gulf
provided ample evidence of global wars destructive power. On the
other hand, there are many persons who may believe that a discussion
of the theoretical harm that could be caused by a real or imaginary
invasion of UFOs would be "Far Out!" But this is not so for the
thousands of witnesses of unexplained aerial phenomena. To them it
is also serious business.
Chuck's interest in UFOs commenced during the early morning hours of
August 26, 1942 while he was roller skating from his house to the
nearest fire station a few blocks away; the wail of sirens had
signaled his recall to fire duty, and with the stringent blackout
orders in effect, driving was not wise; besides, it was much more
exciting to be out in the open where he could see the spectacular
aerial "fireworks" that filled the heavens all around him. Few
residents of the U.S. had ever experienced a real or imaginary
invasion of UFOs like that which occurred in what has become known
as "The Los Angeles Air Raid of 1942." The Army announced the
approach of hostile aircraft and the city's air raid warning system
went into effect for the first time in World War II. The defense to
this "attack" is described in dramatic terms in the opening
paragraph of this chapter.
But what enemy had been routed? No one ever knew. All the fire
fighters saw in the sky were the 15 or 20 moving 'things' which
seemed to change course at great speed apparently unaffected by the
flak from bursting shells all around them. Rumors that one had been
shot down were never verified nor was the explanation that these zig
zagging invaders were weather balloons ever taken seriously. In any
event, For Chuck. that unforgettable episode aroused a continuing
interest in UFOs, rivaling his professional fields of law and fire
protection. The fact that he subsequently was a member of a group
whose sighting of a flight of UFOs was authenticated by airport
radar helped to sustain that interest.
UFO Background Information
With no intention of trying to prove or disprove the authenticity of
the numerous UFO encounters often related by very credible witnesses
including airline and military pilots, astronauts, police officers,
fire fighters, members of Congress, and even a U.S. President, the
balance of this chapter will present a brief history and nature of
UFOs and their alleged occupants; their widespread sightings over
the globe since ancient times; their appearance, propulsion origin,
and possible motives for continuing reconnaissance.
A quick look at some of the classic accounts of encounters
documented in numerous foreign and U.S. publications might help us
judge the magnitude of their threat. if any to social stability,
and, if deemed desirable, propose a fire service plan for coping
with some of the conceivable catastrophic effects that UFOs could
produce on cities and densely populated areas.
For readers who already have made up their minds that there is no
such thing as a UFO notwithstanding the overwhelming evidence to the
contrary it should be pointed out that there is circumstantial
evidence that disastrous effects have already been attributed to UFO
activity in more than one nation, including the United States.
UFOs Who Are They?
William Shakespeare put a fitting observation in the mouth of
Hamlet, the Prince of Denmark, that went like this: "There are more
things in heaven and earth Horatio, than are dreamed of in your
philosophy." Whether Hamlet was referring to those strange lights or
objects that appear in the sky or near the ground and have no known
cause, we will never know, but the World Book Encyclopedia defines
such things as UFOs.(37)
Several theories have been propounded as to what they might be. Some
scientists believe that they are of extraterrestrial origin--coming
from other planets. Military officers conjecture that they might be
alien aircraft. Some attribute them all to natural causes such as
meteors, comets, sun dogs, light reflections, marsh gas, ball
lightning, even though they must admit that scientists cannot
explain all UFO reports in that manner. Still others are inclined to
believe that they may be forms from other dimensions which can
materialize and dematerialize at will perhaps by making a wavelength
or frequency transition so as to become invisible to humans. Some
believe they are time travelers from the future.
Firefighters Briefed on UFO Emergencies in New Manual
According to the Jan. 1995 issue of OMNI, the Federal Emergency
Management Agency (FEMA), in its National Fire Training Academy Open
Learning Program, is using a book for emergency crews titled the
Fire Officer's Guide to Disaster Control (second edition). The book,
put together by the late Charles W. Bahme and William M. Kramer, has
a section that takes a look at emergency situations involving UFOs.
According to the OMNI article, "It only makes sense that civilian
emergency personnel from police to firefighters may be called to the
scene of a close encounter, real or not...[O]ur country's 'first
responders' have never been given any kind of background on the UFO
phenomenon, until now...
"For a detailed briefing on the topic, all professional rescuers
need do is refer to the new, second edition of the Fire Officer's
Guide to Disaster Control (Fire Engineering Books and Videos). Used
by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) in its National
Fire Training Academy Open Learning Program, the book covers, in
addition to more traditional fire fare, the ABCs of UFOs: In
practical language, the manual examines potential problems like
disruption of transportation and communication, possible
psychological and physical impacts, and speculations about
government secrecy. To fire up imaginations, the manual also
presents a hypothetical alien encounter.
"The guide's UFO section is primarily informational, says Kramer,
'intended to get fire officers thinking. Nearly everyone has told me
they were impressed that a mysterious subject was taken out of the
closet, and many believe we are, somehow, eventually going to make
contact with other forms of intelligent life.'"
Omni; January, 1995
SUBJECT: FIREFIGHTERS BRIEFED ON UFOs FILE: UFO2836
BY A.J.S.RAYL for Omni
It only makes sense that civilian emergency personnel from police to
firefighters may be called to the scene of a close encounter, real
or not. But despite their role on the front lines of virtually any
emergency, our country's "first responders" have never been given
any kind of background on the UFO phenomenon, until now.
For a detailed briefing on the topic, all professional rescuers need
do is refer to the new, second edition of the Fire Officer's Guide
to Disaster Control (Fire Engineering Books and Videos). Used by the
Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) in its National Fire
Training Academy Open Learning Program, the book covers, in addition
to more traditional fire fare, the ABCs of UFOs: In practical
language, the manual examines potential problems like disruption of
transportation and communication, possible psychological and
physical impacts, and speculation about government secrecy. To fire
up imaginations, the manual also presents a hypothetical alien
encounter.
This radical primer was the brainstorm of the late Charles W. Bahme,
a former Los Angeles Fire Department deputy chief, who researched
UFOs for years. According to Bahme, his interest was ignited August
26, 1942 during the famous "L.A. Air Raid." As sirens and news
bulletins announced an enemy invasion, Bahme, then a young Navy
fireman, watched some 20 objects zoom and zigzag overhead. "They
changed course at incredible speeds while gun crews along the
coastline pumped more than 1,400 rounds at them," he said. Two hours
later, all was quiet on the Western front. "Rumors that they were
extraterrestrial craft, that one was shot down, were never
confirmed," he said. "The official explanation--weather
balloons--was never taken seriously."
After serving as security coordinator for the Chief of Naval
Operations, Bahme went on to write the original Handbook of Disaster
control in 1952, and the first Fire Officer's Guide to Disaster
Control in 1978. Finally, in 1993, he teamed up with William M.
Kramer, a district chief with the Cincinnati Fire Department, to
write the current manual.
So, if confronted with something alien, what's a firefighter to do?
Considering the federal law (14 CFR, Ch. V, Part 1211) giving NASA
arbitrary discretion "to quarantine under armed guard any object,
person, or other form of life extraterrestrially exposed," the
primer suggests it would be "inadvisable to make personal contact"
unless one is willing to submit to quarantine should the law be
invoked.
That notwithstanding, the manual advises, "In the absence of overt
acts indicating hostility, there may be no danger in approaching a
UFO with a positive, solicitous attitude of wanting to be of
service," which may be "telepathically sensed by those aboard." But,
"Any display of weapons could be construed as unfriendly."
The quids UFO section is primarily informational, says Kramer,
"intended to get fire officers thinking. Nearly everyone has told me
they were impressed that a mysterious subject was taken out of the
closet, and many believe we are, somehow, eventually going to make
contact with other forms of intelligent life."
In general, the UFO community approves. "While a few of the sources
aren't the best," says Mark Rodeghier, scientific director of the
Center for UFOStudies in Chicago, "nobody else has even tried to
devise a plan for public officials before."
The_Sage
>Date written: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 16:56:26 GMT
>MsgID:<_mV09.31774$15.1...@www.newsranger.com>
Is this supposed to be one of those examples of HoleFlapper's
published "research"? It looks more like ignorant religious propaganda
and plagerism of someone else's web page rather than "research"...
>Who Takes UFOs & E.T.s Seriously?//Only Every Police Station and Fire Department
>in America!!
I will call your hand for this lying bluff of yours. There is
absolutely no evidence that this book is officially sanctioned by the
Executive Department of the US Government as a guide or training
manual by *any*, much less *every*, police station and fire department
in America.
Even then, the book contradicts your childish fantasies...
>Chapter 13 is titled "Enemy Attack and UFO Potential"
Do you know what "potential" means? It means it isn't *actual*. You
are twisting their words around to mean "ETs have visited us" and
should be taken seriously when in reality the book is more a review of
the anatomy of a mass delusion and how to deal with mob control.
Whether or not a real ET ever visits us, people will lose their heads,
as they often do, if they imagine ET is visiting us, just like they
did during the broadcasting of Orsen Welles' THE WAR OF THE WORLDS. Of
course, you were probably right there at the forefront of the panic
when it happened, so you would certainly know what I am talking about.
In my opinion this is not a work to be taken seriously, just like your
published "research" has never been anything to be taken seriously.
Whatever happened to your story about the military men contacting ETs
by Ouija Board? Haha!
The Sage
=============================================================
My Home Page : http://home.rmci.net/thesage
"Be careful when casting out your demons, lest you cast out
the best part of yourself" -- ??
=============================================================
L3g!0n
Do you even know what the word 'Plagiarism' means? I doubt it, if you can't
even be bothered to spell it correctly.
If you're going to troll about using the name "The_Sage" and label as
ignorant others who are far more educated and literate than yourself, you
might try using SPELLCHECK to at least hide your own ignorance.
why don't you go read a book or something.
"The_Sage" <thee...@azrmci.net> wrote in message
news:3d44767f...@news.rmci.net...
> >Reply to article by: Thé Whølflåffér ÇøñtîñÜÜM <nos...@newsranger.com>
Mark Shippey
> You're an idiot.
> Do you even know what the word 'Plagiarism' means? I doubt it, if you can't
> even be bothered to spell it correctly.
> If you're going to troll about using the name "The_Sage" and label as
> ignorant others who are far more educated and literate than yourself, you
> might try using SPELLCHECK to at least hide your own ignorance.
> why don't you go read a book or something.
^ ^
You forgot the capital at the beginning of the sentence and
the question mark at the end. If you are going to post little
tantrum lectures about spelling and literacy, your best bet would
be to take the foot of your mouth and read what you are posting!
Excuse me, but.... BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Sir Arthur
>In my opinion this is not a work to be taken seriously, just like your
>published "research" has never been anything to be taken seriously.
>Whatever happened to your story about the military men contacting ETs
>by Ouija Board? Haha!
>
>The Sage
Weak.
Q: Some of our readers are not familiar with your case yet, so can you tell them
why you were not reprimanded heavily for going AWOL (absent without leave)? Why
were the six of you given honorable discharges?
Vance Davis:
I'll give you a very realistic theory, and then I'll give you a theory that
sounds logical, but is not necessarily realistic, so we can cover both sides.
People say we went AWOL. I'll be honest with you; we deserted. We knew what we
were doing. We did not plan to come back. A lot of laws within the military were
changed because of us. Instead of being called AWOL after 24 hours, it is now 15
minutes. Also, desertion carries an automatic jail sentence now. We went right
through a lot of laws that they thought they had to catch everybody.
We did use an Ouiji board. We used all kinds of metaphysical material. So does
your government. They use anything—HUMINT (human intelligence), SIGINT (signals
intelligence), ELINT (electronics intelligence), PSYINT (psychic
intelligence)—take those all together and you have a pretty good picture of what
might be going on. When someone says they don't use psychics, he is lying. They
do. They use every possible avenue to gather intelligence. Think about it; if
you were in their position, you would do the same thing.
Now we used an Ouiji board. It was not the only avenue we used to gather
information. When I was a kid, I learned in a Sylvan Mind Control class how to
use "going to level and getting information," the way Edgar Cayce got
information. They do use that.
We went AWOL with a lot of information—seven sessions, or about 1,500 pages of
notes on UFOs, metaphysical stuff, spiritual stuff, Christian stuff—a lot of
notes about the Bible (certain things have been told and certain people lied to
etc.). We did not necessarily believe everything we had, but we had enough
information and enough research (what little we could do) to say that something
was definitely "rotten in Denmark." Something was wrong.
We went AWOL with all this. We deserted to Gulf Breeze to visit a couple of
women—one of whom had been a psychic with the FBI—to ask them what they thought
of the information and how accurate it could be. We got arrested.
Now let's put our feet in the government's shoes. Let's say we're in the
military, or the government, or the White House. Six soldiers desert from the
same unit. It has never occurred before in the 200-year recorded history of the
military. How are we to deal with that? We want to make examples out of those
six deserters. But to do that, we will have to court-martial them, which is like
putting them in a trial of their peers. An officer is the equivalent of a judge.
Just like in civilian court, they have secret-level courts-martial and open
courts-martial, but most of that does come out in the news. The media reported
our story heavily—CNN, ABC, London, Germany, China, Japan—so they couldn't
really hold a secret court-martial. Everybody was going to want to know what
happened and why. If we were to be court-martialed, the first question we would
be asked would be, "Why did you desert?" We had made a promise that if anybody
asked, we would tell them. We had nothing to hide. We would tell them about the
Ouiji board, about the information, about what went on.
Now at that point, as a prosecutor for the government, you have to prove that
information is damaging to the United States government. Can you imagine what
that would do to the public's view? They are saying, "Uh-oh. We have a problem
here. If we court-martial them, we're going to spill our beans. We're going to
have to release a bunch of stuff, classified or unclassified. It's going to
slap us in the face. The deserters are going to embarrass us during a
court-martial."
Second of all, if I were in a position of power in the government, I'd say,
"Let's let the people guess what happened and not let them know, and let the
deserters go." The problem with that is that we were given honorable discharges.
See? Something is wrong there. They could have given us dishonorable discharges,
but they didn’t. Nor did they declare us insane. So that logical thinking
tends to go down the tubes.
Q: So what do you believe their reason is?
VD: That takes us to the second theory. I can make a logical stand for it, but
it is almost impossible to prove or disprove.
The Ouiji board told us three things that are not in the book that I am going to
share with you. 1) We were allowed to use this form of communication because we
would not listen any other way. 2) For some reason, we would be a light unto the
world. At the time we did not understand what that meant. Now, after the news
coverage of it in 1990, we understand it. We kind of changed things—stirred the
pot. A lot of things have happened quickly since 1990. We kind of opened up a
beehive, which is okay, since it helped a lot of people out a little bit. 3) We
cannot confirm whom we actually talked to. We were given names, but that does
not mean that that is whom we were talking to. We were definitely involved with
a very high intelligence that knew what was going on. It may have been lying to
us, but it may have been an alien influence. That is highly possible. If that
were true—and we were told that we would be protected and that certain people
knew what was going on.
Now, I'm going to give you a few facts to back this line of thinking up. We knew
we were probably going to go AWOL in the middle of June, 1990. It is interesting
that the reports on us—the documents that they released—their reporting period
started in the middle of June. In other words, the government started following
us before we deserted.
Now this is how it normally works: if they knew that we were going AWOL, they
would have caught us when we went on the flight, because that's a sign of guilt.
They let us go on and let us fly. The only time I have been stopped is in July
of 1990; otherwise, we've all been left alone by the government and all kinds
of people
Now I'm going to get into some wild stuff, here, but it might logically make
sense to some CONTACT FORUM readers. If we were involved with alien forces, if
we were supposed to do a job, if we were supposed to desert and create the news
fervor, if all this stuff was suppose to happen per a large plan of some kind,
then does it make sense that, when we go captured, those aliens would step in
and tell the government "hands-off"?
The_Sage
>Date written: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:42:42 GMT
>MsgID:<6La19.31893$15.1...@www.newsranger.com>
>>In my opinion this is not a work to be taken seriously, just like your
>>published "research" has never been anything to be taken seriously.
>>Whatever happened to your story about the military men contacting ETs
>>by Ouija Board? Haha!
<Snipped Ouija Board Fairytale>
Haha! Thanks Sir Fart. That story is a gas!
Sir Arthur C. B. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
>
>You're an idiot.
>
>Do you even know what the word 'Plagiarism' means? I doubt it, if you can't
>even be bothered to spell it correctly.
Yes, Sludge A.K.A. Sage, IS an idiot, a useful idiot.
Long ago Sludge admitted that he is part of the
cover-up of UFO's, thus Sludge and
NSA/NASA spOOk J. O-BORG are NOT
interested talking about the facts, so they lie.
O-BORG is a paid liar, don't ask him
about the thousands of crop-circles,
animal mutilations, abductions, trace cases,
radar sightings, military and ET bases,
back-engineering of alien craft, ETs coming
and going from military bases, alien implants,
etc. etc. etc. O-BORG and Sludge would rather
talk about swamp gas and crash test dummies.
You really exposed those useful idiots!!
>If you're going to troll about using the name "The_Sage" and label as
>ignorant others who are far more educated and literate than yourself, you
>might try using SPELLCHECK to at least hide your own ignorance.
>
>why don't you go read a book or something.
Because they can't handle the truth!
The_Sage
>Date written: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 04:35:10 GMT
>MsgID:<2OJ19.32313$15.1...@www.newsranger.com>
>Yes, Sludge A.K.A. Sage, IS an idiot, a useful idiot.
>Long ago Sludge admitted that he is part of the
>cover-up of UFO's, thus Sludge and
>NSA/NASA spOOk J. O-BORG are NOT
>interested talking about the facts, so they lie.
I always thought you wanted people to take you and your UFO issues
seriously, but obviously you don't care. So go ahead and lie your arse
off, but it only makes the spOOks look more honest and intelligent
than you could ever hope to be.
Sir Arthur C. B.Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
>
>>Reply to article by: Sir Arthur C. B. Wholeflaffers A.S.A. <nos...@newsranger.com>
>>Date written: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 04:35:10 GMT
>>MsgID:<2OJ19.32313$15.1...@www.newsranger.com>
>
>>Yes, Sludge A.K.A. Sage, IS an idiot, a useful idiot.
>>Long ago Sludge admitted that he is part of the
>>cover-up of UFO's, thus Sludge and
>>NSA/NASA spOOk J. O-BORG are NOT
>>interested talking about the facts, so they lie.
>
>I always thought you wanted people to take you and your UFO issues
>seriously, but obviously you don't care.
In a way you are right, I don't care what the spOOks,
debunkers and outright liars like yourself have to say;
since it is all swamp gas and hedge hogs. No wonder
the debunkers credibility is down to 1%.
>but it only makes the spOOks look more honest and intelligent
>than you could ever hope to be.
Doubtful. At the end Sagan wouldn't even
dare debate Friedman, O-BORG somehow
sneaks on the Rense show, I guess they
must strong-arm him is my best guess.
Klass hasn't been on TeeVee for about
10 years Steve Greer had the biggest
web broadcast in its history and UFO
web sites are #2 on the entire net.
So as usual, your assessment is totally
wrong, but what else is new.
And you have been exposed so many times
as a useful idiot, I kind of wonder why you
are still here. The net has a ton of
trolls these days, and low-level operatives
who refuse to address the evidence,
but what else is new??
Laughing Last
<nos...@newsranger.com> wrote:
>And you have been exposed so many times
>as a useful idiot, I kind of wonder why you
>are still here. The net has a ton of
>trolls these days, and low-level operatives
>who refuse to address the evidence,
>but what else is new??
Make sure you put yourself on your own
concentration camp list, because you're the biggest liar on Usenet.
Laughing Last
>>Reply to article by: Sir Arthur C. B. Wholeflaffers A.S.A. <nos...@newsranger.com>
>>Date written: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 04:35:10 GMT
>>MsgID:<2OJ19.32313$15.1...@www.newsranger.com>
>
>>Yes, Sludge A.K.A. Sage, IS an idiot, a useful idiot.
>>Long ago Sludge admitted that he is part of the
>>cover-up of UFO's, thus Sludge and
>>NSA/NASA spOOk J. O-BORG are NOT
>>interested talking about the facts, so they lie.
>
>I always thought you wanted people to take you and your UFO issues
>seriously, but obviously you don't care. So go ahead and lie your arse
>off, but it only makes the spOOks look more honest and intelligent
>than you could ever hope to be.
Anyone posting to Usenet under false pretenses isn't honest or intelligent.
And that includes you.
SAL
---SNIP---
> I always thought you wanted people to take you and your UFO issues
> seriously, but obviously you don't care. So go ahead and lie your
> arse off, but it only makes the spOOks look more honest and
> intelligent than you could ever hope to be.
>
> The Sage
I always thought you wanted people to take UFO issues not seriously,
but obviously for reaching that goal you exclude data or use an
'explainaway'.
An 'explainaway' is an unscientific attemped for
reassurance, where you don't research the cause and just
give a reasonable explanation for the effect.
"I offered my comments as a way to reach those people who
have difficulty reasoning due to the conditioning of
Hollywood. It is a way out for them; a way to show them that
there is another more rational way of seeing things."
The Sage on http://home.rmci.net/thesage/UFO.htm
(page 1, Why debunk UFOs?)
"There is an unexplainable phenomenon and it has a
reasonable explanation, therefore I am not interested in the
cause, just the effect."
The Sage in 'Denial is not skepticism', alt.alien.visitors
Message 167 in thread, 2001-MAY-03 13:18:43 PST
"Remember that cause-and-effect are the cornerstone of the
scientific method."
See The Sage's most excellent writing on
http://home.rmci.net/thesage/Pseudosci.htm
(What is the scientific method?)
======
Humanoid sightings: mass hysteria (A), fantasy prone (B)
or EM radiation (C)?
=A=====
"Mass hysteria is any hysteria TRIGGERED by mob mentality or
mass media. A delayed reaction to a mass media event still
means it is a mass hysteria, even if the person is alone at
the time of the experience."
"Not a single successful argument has ever been made against
the claim that the UFO/ET fad is just another example of a
mass delusion."
"1. You cannot hear things that don't exist, 2. You cannot
see things that don't exist, 3. You cannot smell things that
don't exist, 4. You cannot taste things that don't exist,
and 5. You cannot feel things that don't exist."
"So the claim that all these multitudes of people coming
forth to say they saw a little gray men wouldn't be doing it
if there weren't some truth behind the phenomenon, is
demonstratably false!"
The Sage in 'MASS HYSTERIAS' and 'HUMANIOD MONSTER DELUSION'
on http://home.rmci.net/thesage/UFO.htm
(Page 5, What is the alien abduction syndrome?)
=B=====
INCLUDE the abductee's HISTORY and you come to the fantasy
prone personality (Wilson and Barber in Imagery, Current
Theory, Research an Application, 1983). A bibliographic
research (Newman and Baumeister in Psychological Inquiry 7,
1996) showed that 87% of the abductees suffer from this
personalitydisorder.
=C=====
INCLUDE ALSO the abductee's ENVIRONMENT and you come to the
electromagnetic pollution approach - EMPA (Budden, Electric
UFO's, 1999), where the TRIGGER is electromagnetic
radiation.
The Sage seem to ignore the obvious blatant fact that there
is legitimate physical evidence presently in existence, that
scientifically and rationally verifies the existence of an
EM presence; A verifiable CAUSE for hearing, seeing,
smelling, tasting and feeling things that don't exist,
delusions triggered by electromagnetic (EM) radiation.
======
Geosound "is produced in the earth's strata. It is
electrical activity underground - the equivalent of a
thunderstorm in the atmosphere. Geosound can be an
electronic-sounding squeal, or an intense buzzing like a
swarm of bees. Geosound is often accompanied by sulphurous
or 'electrical' smells [...]" [Chapter 6, Page 177]
The smells "can be created by, predictably, electrical
discharges in the air. Such discharges change the energy
states of various atoms, and numerous chemical compounds can
be formed. [...] nitrogen, making up 70 per cent of the air,
changes to a metastable state. This energized, or excited,
nitrogen is called 'activated' because it readily combines
with other atoms, whereas ordinary nitrogen does not: for
example, it can combine with hydrogen to form ammonia, and
with oxygen to form nitric oxide. It also reacts with other
gases in the air to form nitrobenzen, which is an oily
substance with a strong smell like bitter almonds. Ozone is
also smelt around electrical machinery to some extent and it
is commonly reported in association with CE
[Close-Encounter] experiences.
These processes could account for the smell alone, but it
could also have been produced as a hallucination by field
stimulation of the brain." [Chapter 3, Page 79]
Psychic Close Encounters
Albert Budden
Blandford, 1999
ISBN 0-7137-2799-3
======
All the examples outdate what Columbus saw in 1492 and the 1968 Condon
Report: Is it an indication that there is progress been made in the
research of the Alien Abduction Phenomenon?
======
This is a combination of my 2002-07-28 'For The Sage: Mass Hysteria?'
and
2002-07-31 'Abduction: mass hysteria, fantasy prone or EM radiation?'
posts.
--
Bart Meinen
The Study of Anthropoid Life forms (SAL)
http://home.hetnet.nl/~wc/index2.html
For NON-FRAMERS:
http://home.hetnet.nl/~wc/MENU-UK.htm
Click on "Electro Magnetism"
The_Sage
>Date written: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 07:09:09 GMT
>MsgID:<3d4cde52...@news.erols.com>
>Anyone posting to Usenet under false pretenses isn't honest or intelligent.
>And that includes you.
Since I don't post under false pretenses, I don't see what relevancy
this has to me. Maybe you're the one who isn't being honest or
intelligent with us here? Do you know something that the rest of us
don't know? Pray tell.
The_Sage
>MsgID:<D2429.32519$15.1...@www.newsranger.com>
>>I always thought you wanted people to take you and your UFO issues
>>seriously, but obviously you don't care.
>In a way you are right
I know.
Frank Schnabel
news:_mV09.31774$15.1...@www.newsranger.com on Sun, 28 Jul 2002
16:56:26 GMT:
> Who Takes UFOs & E.T.s Seriously?//Only Every Police Station and Fire
> Department in America!!
>
Good God, Artie! I remember you posting this claptrap four years ago.
Your claims were shot to hell then, but you've decided to trot it out one
more time.
When will you learn?
Mark Shippey
> Good God, Artie! I remember you posting this claptrap four years ago.
> Your claims were shot to hell then, but you've decided to trot it out one
> more time.
Has has posted this one and many others over and over again.
Some probably dozens of times.
This is all he has, redundant words, and no real proof.
> When will you learn?
The only thing he seems to have learned is that he
now has stopped pretending he is a Doctor and giving
bogus medical advice in support newsgroups.
Thé Whølƒl僃ér ÇøñüñDRÜM
says...
>
>Thé Whølƒl僃ér ÇøñtîñÜÜM <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote in
>news:_mV09.31774$15.1...@www.newsranger.com on Sun, 28 Jul 2002
>16:56:26 GMT:
>
>> Who Takes UFOs & E.T.s Seriously?//Only Every Police Station and Fire
>> Department in America!!
>>
>
>Good God, Artie! I remember you posting this claptrap four years ago.
Wrong. None, I repeat, "None" of my material
has ever been refuted by a reputable poster.
The "reputable" part eliminates the trolls from this
group and spOOksthe like O-BORG. Borsch and Echelon®.
- - - - -- -- --
Who Takes UFOs & E.T.s Seriously?//Only Every Police Station and Fire Department
in America!!
The Fire Officer's Guide To Disaster Control
Frank Schnabel
news:1wa39.33096$15.1...@www.newsranger.com on Sun, 04 Aug 2002
14:04:45 GMT:
>
> Wrong. None, I repeat, "None" of my material
> has ever been refuted by a reputable poster.
> The "reputable" part eliminates the trolls from this
> group and spOOksthe like O-BORG. Borsch and Echelon(r).
Ah, yes, the standard UFO kook ploy: attack the person not the argument.
Simply dismiss the person as not credible, that way you don't have to
respond to actual arguments.
But back to your claims...
I didn't have time to read your entire post; it just seemed to go on and on
(you really must learn to only post the main points). Fire departments
and, more importantly, police departments do need some training to deal
with the mass confusion and/or hysteria that can come from UFO sightings.
To deny this is only naivety. I would be very surprise if the reference
that you cited is an actual explanation of what to do if aliens invade.
ll...@a-albionic.com
Forwarded from the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:
Note: We archive 100's of "Paranormal Reports & Theories" posts at:
http://www.msen.com/~lloyd/oldprojects/recentmail.html
From: Thé Whølƒl僃ér ÇøñüñDRÜM <nos...@newsranger.com>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.alien.research,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.conspiracy
Date: Sunday, August 04, 2002 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: Who Takes UFOs & E.T.s Seriously?//Only Every Police Station and Fire Department in America!!
>In article <Xns925F8CE81A113f...@192.168.101.2>, Frank
Schnabel
>says...
>>
>>Thé Whølƒl僃ér ÇøñtîñÜÜM <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote in
>><news:_mV09.31774$15.1...@www.newsranger.com> on Sun, 28 Jul 2002
>>16:56:26 GMT:
>>
>>> Who Takes UFOs & E.T.s Seriously?//Only Every Police Station and
>>> Fire Department in America!!
>>>
>>
>>Good God, Artie! I remember you posting this claptrap four years ago.
>>Your claims were shot to hell then...
>
>Wrong. None, I repeat, "None" of my material
>has ever been refuted by a reputable poster.
>The "reputable" part eliminates the trolls from this
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