Men who stare at goats
Hagar
Perhaps it just might work on real people. To that end,
I encourage all Conservatives to put a picture of
Nancy Pelosi on their computer screens and begin
staring at it this evening at 7:00pm.
With any luck, the old goat will keel over in less than
5 minutes ...
Those with a really intensive stare, please put a picture
of Obama next to hers ..
H.
"Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote in message
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a week now and all he does is wonder aimlessly about
not doing anything.
H.
Notroll2009
> Perhaps it just might work on real people.
Hagar's been staring at goats (and sheep) for years. When that happens,
Hagar gets a chubby and the goats get nervous.
chatnoir
vtcapo
Believing in psychic powers now? I knew I'd have you switching sides
sooner or latter?
Bawhahahahahahahaha...............
RT
Hagar
"vtcapo" <vtc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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RT
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... sooner or latter ?????
Bwahahahahahahahhhh, you fucking loon ... a teacher ... yep.
Hagar
> Perhaps it just might work on real people. To that end,
> I encourage all Conservatives to put a picture of
> Nancy Pelosi on their computer screens and begin
> staring at it this evening at 7:00pm.
> With any luck, the old goat will keel over in less than
> 5 minutes ...
>
Ok, I give up .. the old goat is still standing. All I noticed
was some Botox seeping from her lips and eyelids and her
wrinkles got deeper and she didn't stop talking about all
the money Obama is going to save us ... bwahahahahahh
vtcapo
Yep a teacher who because of his math department getting the school an
A rating year after year, entitles them to a bonus.... year after
year. They love me and hate that I'm retiring. Go figure....
RT
Notroll2009
RT
Do you have any special needs classes that might accept Hagar?
BradGuth
Perhaps as a retirement quest, you could switch over to staring at
goats, though not in the kind of amorous way that Hagar and Saul tend
to do, because that would only scare those fainting goats to death.
~ BG
vtcapo
I thought only Warhol was attracted to goats? I'm confused..........
RT
Hagar
RT
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Ok, vt, one more time, just to clear this mystery up for you:
Charles D Bohne, aka ChuckWeasel is into humping goats.
Hence the moniker Goathumper.
Warhol, aka WarSwine fucks camels (and pigs, but only
when no other Muslims are looking). Since he is a radical
Muslim and Joo hater, he's already brain-dead and no further
corrective action is required.
Brad Guth, aka GuthBall, mostly molests his right hand, while
his left is inserted into his beat-off Argyle sock, to catch and
dispose of the evidence. While polishing his monkey, he gazes
dreamingly at pictures of Venus (the planet, not the statue).
Cactus Saul sips his cactus juice (with a touch of Vodka),
while verbally fucking with brain-dead Liberals and assorted
Lefty Loons, while LHJAO. By his own admission and by
the very nature of his name, he is Jewish. However, it
appears that the above named cretins feel they have to
remind us over and over again of that obvious fact, as if it
were a disease, akin to the stupidity which seems to afflict
all of them.
I don't blow my own horn. I love to ride my Harley, drink
beer and take the occasional toke. I do detest Liberals,
but this is not the forum to address that issue.Despite your
conviction to the contrary, I am the least prejudiced
person you'll ever meet. I am pragmatic and will call a
spade a spade, a nigger a nigger and a redneck a
redneck. If they can prove to me that they are worthy
the label of a Diamond, a Black Gentleman or a
Southern Gentleman, then they have earned my respect.
BradGuth
At times we're all confused, though seldom if ever as badly confused
as rabbi Saul.
~ BG
~ BG
Hagar
"BradGuth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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~ BG
~ BG
***********************
Is that why you typed your initials twice, you lunatic ??
You weren't sure the first time, so you had to do it again
to confirm your worthless existence ... nice going ...
the Loon calling the kettle black.
BradGuth
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Off-screen kind of typo. Sorry about that.
>
> You weren't sure the first time, so you had to do it again
> to confirm your worthless existence ... nice going ...
> the Loon calling the kettle black.
Just helping out wherever I can.
~ BG
vtcapo
Five fucking stars what can I say...........
RT
john smith
"Hagar" <hs...@surewest.net> wrote in message
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Hahaha!
What on earth makes you think *you* are so special that they'd want the
respect of a fuckwit like you?
>
>
>
Hagar
"john smith" <the_jo...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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well, if they don't, then they are Spades, Niggers and Rednecks, and I
don't really care to associate with them ... I'm sure you belong to one
of the three categories, so fuck off, you Liberal fucktard.
john smith
Wrong on all three counts! Now show some respect, eh, you thick fuckwit?
Rex
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It's not hard to meet expenses, they are everywhere.
Hagar
"Rex" <rexdudeREMOVEA...@liam.ur> wrote in message
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The (obviously) American adage of "Calling a Spade a Spade" means that
you call things as you see them. It is merely a metaphor.
Another analogy would be "A Rose, by any other name, is still a Rose", or
" If it walks like a Duck, looks like a Duck, quacks like a Duck, in all
likelihood it is a Duck".
Rex
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't blow my own horn. I love to ride my Harley, drink
>>>>>> beer and take the occasional toke. I do detest Liberals,
>>>>>> but this is not the forum to address that issue.Despite your
>>>>>> conviction to the contrary, I am the least prejudiced
>>>>>> person you'll ever meet. I am pragmatic and will call a
>>>>>> spade a spade, a nigger a nigger and a redneck a
>>>>>> redneck. If they can prove to me that they are worthy
>>>>>> the label of a Diamond, a Black Gentleman or a
>>>>>> Southern Gentleman, then they have earned my respect.
>>>>>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> It's not hard to meet expenses, they are everywhere.
>>
>>
>
> The (obviously) American adage of "Calling a Spade a Spade" means that
> you call things as you see them. It is merely a metaphor.
> Another analogy would be "A Rose, by any other name, is still a Rose", or
> " If it walks like a Duck, looks like a Duck, quacks like a Duck, in all
> likelihood it is a Duck".
>
>
Oh, THAT adage. Then what does the reference to a diamond mean..assuming
it's not the diamond in a card deck?
--
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I'm writing an unauthorized autobiography.
-- Steven Wright
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
new FEMA camps. This is, of course, for their protection. Debunkers
will have to be sequestered for the rest of their natural lives, for
the safety of ALL MANKIND. There can be no other way. These truth-
terrorists days are numbered and they must be removed once and for all
from our civil society.
The guards will keep a strict eye on each and every one of them, in
case they want to start their debunking tactics again.
Hagar again was fooled by the wrong trailer. But thank goodness that
there are real Patriots to straighten these goof-balls out.
On Nov 5, 10:45 am, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
> Just saw a ad trailer...
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
Men Who Stare At Goats - The True
Story Behind The Film
By Dick Allgire
11-8-9
It was some thirty years ago on the big screen that we watched Darth
Vader kill a subordinate with sheer force of will. Displeased with the
performance of Admiral Ozzel because he brought his ships out of
hyperspace too soon, alerting the Rebels to their presence, Darth
Vader held up his hand and pinched the air. Moviegoers will recall the
hapless admiral choking for air and falling over dead. Darth Vader
killed the admiral with a look, employing some unseen force of Mind.
It was pure science fiction. Or was it? At about this same time, a
U.S. Army Special Forces soldier was felling goats in much the same
manner. Now this story is coming to the big screen.
"The Men Who Stare At Goats" is a soon to be released major motion
picture starring George Clooney, Jeff Bridges, and Ewan McGregor. It
is a lighthearted look at how the U.S. Army explored paranormal
powers, "new age" parapsychology and psychic functioning in the late
1970's and early 80s. The film portrays all of this in a whimsical and
comical tone, but the real story is deadly serious.
The character portrayed by George Clooney is based on retired Special
Forces Intel First Sergeant Glenn Wheaton. In real life Wheaton is a
character far too complex to portray in a two-hour movie. In his Army
career Wheaton was a stone cold killer, a Green Beret door-knocker as
well as a remote viewer, a type of psychic spy who could readily
displace his awareness to remote locations across space and time to
bring back actual intelligence grade data using only his mind. He's
also a boy from the Louisiana Bayou, a southern gentleman, a kind and
caring teacher.
The title of the upcoming movie, "The Men Who Stare at Goats" is based
on an incident in which a Green Beret instructor killed a goat by
staring at it. Glenn Wheaton witnessed the event and recounted it to
author Jon Ronson, who wrote about it in his book "The Crazy Rulers of
the World." Glenn Wheaton sat down and talked about the goat incident
recently during an interview for a documentary planned for release in
conjunction with the movie "The Men Who Stare at Goats." His interview
will also be included in the "Extras" in the home DVD version of the
movie.
At the Special Warfare Center and School at Ft. Bragg, North Carolina
they had what the Green Berets called "The Goat Lab." Special Forces
medics were required to learn how to treat gunshot wounds, trauma
cases, broken bones, and other types of battlefield injuries. It may
sound cruel to members of PETA, but they shot goats and subjected them
to numerous traumatic injuries, and then tried to revive and stabilize
them. Soldiers also slaughtered the goats, learning so they would be
able to teach people in third world countries how to butcher and dress
an animal and prepare it for food. So they brought in goats from
Honduras, and at least one of the goats became a victim of a Darth
Vader type mental energy killing.
"I was there the day the first goat died," recalls Glenn Wheaton. He
remembers it was in the dead of winter at Ft. Bragg. The Special
Forces students had finished their usual ten to fifteen mile predawn
run and headed to the woods for hand-to-hand combat training. At that
time the 5th Special Forces Group hand-to-hand combat instructor was a
martial arts expert named Mike Echanis.
"We got to the training area," Wheaton says, "and there was a dagger
stuck in a tree." That meant Echanis was in the Bear Pit. The Bear Pit
was hole in the sandy North Carolina soil, 8 to 10 feet deep and 60 to
80 feet wide. The instructor would wait in the pit. The students
couldn't see him. It wasn't that he was actually invisible, but he
could blend in, using both camouflage and mental trickery, that they
couldn't spot him. He was able to adapt and blend into the environment
so well that those looking down into the pit just could not see him. A
trainee would jump into the pit, and suddenly Echanis would come out
of nowhere and be upon him, and the hand-to-hand combat would ensue.
The students were certain to endure a severe beating.
On this particular day, Echanis had brought a goat with him down into
the pit. As the soldiers fought the goat would scamper and jump about,
trying to avoid the combatants being hurled around the pit.
At the completion of the class, Echanis challenged the soldiers:
"Where is your mind?"
Then the demonstration none of them would ever forget. Wheaton recalls
that the instructor "grabbed the goat by the horns. He dragged him to
the middle of the pit, pushing a green stake to the bottom of the pit,
attaching the goat to it. Then he asked us again 'Where are your
minds?' Michael had recently completed a lot of training in Qigong,
the force you couldn't see that moves like a train."
Glenn Wheaton witnessed the incredible feat. The instructor never
touched the goat. "Michael focused on the goat pretty intensely," he
says. "It started to bray like a donkey or horse. It dropped down to
its forelegs; blood began to drip from its nose. About 20 to 30
seconds later red suds began to froth from the goat's mouth. The goat
lost its equilibrium and passed away in a fit."
There was nothing done physically to the goat. Wheaton says, "Michael
never had to touch the goat, other than dragging him and sinking the
anchor in the sand. A demonstration we required he repeat."
They tested Echanis several times under less brutal circumstances.
They filled balloons with ink and the balloons were suspended in an
aquarium. "He was able to successfully break or rupture three balloons
filled with ink suspended in an aquarium filled with water," Wheaton
recounts. "He was able to rupture each one of those balloons, causing
the ink to contaminate the water."
Wheaton says it was "a lot to think about." And he goes on to say, "as
an adaptation it has immediate applications. Could anyone do it, or
could only Michael do it? That's what we investigated after that."
Wheaton does not talk about whether this technique was ever employed
against humans, but he says Green Berets did study so called
"paranormal powers" as part of a program called Project Jedi. What
kind of techniques did they study in Project Jedi? Wheaton answers,
"Can you be warm when everyone else around you is freezing cold? Can
you regulate your respiration and heart rate so that when everyone
else is huffing and puffing because you're running up a really long
hill, can you manage your own body? Can you keep going when everyone
else will stop?
That's what the empowerment portion of Project Jedi was for. You had
to be perfectly able to control yourself, because if you couldn't
control yourself you couldn't control anything else. So being able to
control your blood pressure is a good thing. Being able to send heat
to an exposed part of your body by will alone is a good thing. Being
able to hear when there is only a cacophony of noise, a single thing.
If I turned on a vacuum cleaner and gave a lecture that you couldn't
hear, after a while could you hear? You learn to filter your
environment so that you can accomplish any mission."
Glenn Wheaton is currently the president and chief instructor at the
Hawaii Remote Viewers' Guild. He has been teaching advanced
communication skills and mental focus techniques to civilians, for
free, for the past 12 years.
"The Men Who Stare at Goats" currently in theaters. There will be a
documentary released soon about the true story behind the movie, and
the home DVD version will contain interviews with Glenn Wheaton and
Jim Channon.
- Dick Allgire
Hagar
"Rex" <rexdudeREMOVEA...@liam.ur> wrote in message
> Hagar wrote:
>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't blow my own horn. I love to ride my Harley, drink
>>>>>>> beer and take the occasional toke. I do detest Liberals,
>>>>>>> but this is not the forum to address that issue.Despite your
>>>>>>> conviction to the contrary, I am the least prejudiced
>>>>>>> person you'll ever meet. I am pragmatic and will call a
>>>>>>> spade a spade, a nigger a nigger and a redneck a
>>>>>>> redneck. If they can prove to me that they are worthy
>>>>>>> the label of a Diamond, a Black Gentleman or a
>>>>>>> Southern Gentleman, then they have earned my respect.
>>>>>>>
>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> It's not hard to meet expenses, they are everywhere.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The (obviously) American adage of "Calling a Spade a Spade" means that
>> you call things as you see them. It is merely a metaphor.
>> Another analogy would be "A Rose, by any other name, is still a Rose", or
>> " If it walks like a Duck, looks like a Duck, quacks like a Duck, in all
>> likelihood it is a Duck".
>>
>>
> Oh, THAT adage. Then what does the reference to a diamond mean..assuming
> it's not the diamond in a card deck?
>
An outstanding person is referred to as a Diamond. There is also
"A Diamond in the rough", implying a person who is a little gritty a
round the edges (exterior), but harbors a stellar personality within.
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
> "Rex" <rexdudeREMOVEANDREVERSEDOM...@liam.ur> wrote in message
I am afraid this has to be your last post EVER, Hager. As the de-
facto moderator, it is my job and sworn duty to have found your
posting behavior full of intolerance and ignorance. Thus you are now
hereby BANNED from the Usenet. Please remove yourself as soon as
possible. You are also required to gather up your cult and march
straight to the nearest FEMA facility for your enhanced
interrogation. Thank you for your much needed cooperation.
Now where were we, oh yes, do not EVER start at the debunkers. That
may cause Sudden Debunker Death Spin-drome (SDDS). There is no known
cure for SDDS!!
Cujo DeSockpuppet
news:bc0fe0f1-4fee-4af7...@f18g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
I'm the Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls, Artie/Gary. You qualify on
both counts and Hagar's post has been APPROVED.
> it is my job [SLAP!!!!!!]
Wrong again, kook.
But feel free to hold an election.
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in dfw.*,
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme Holy
Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 & 4/2007 HL&S
award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse
Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895.
" I have already laid the foundation that there is no one truth,
therefore, there can be no "right or wrong" in universal terms" -Ed
Wollmann, sociopath and hypocrite.
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
This is NOT the time to play around. Staring at debunkers can cause
immediate death (and destruction!) Our entire GALAXY may be IN DANGER.
There is only one solution to the debunker problem, it is the FINAL
SOLUTION!!
Luckily for ALL MANKIND, there are still a few Patriots that WILL
stand up and try to eliminate this TRUTH-TERROR threat!
ALL MANKIND are now uniting under the banner of anti-debunkerism! A
NEW DAY is dawning and every man, woman and child will be the glorious
winners when the debunker cult is defeated once and for all.
Now go slap yourself silly, Socker-boy, our side, the side of good,
have serious work to do!!
Sir ARtiØ
HVAC
"H." <hbo...@charter.net> wrote in message
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>> Perhaps it just might work on real people. To that end,
>> I encourage all Conservatives to put a picture of
>> Nancy Pelosi on their computer screens and begin
>> staring at it this evening at 7:00pm.
>> With any luck, the old goat will keel over in less than
>> 5 minutes ...
When I read the title of this thread. I thought it was
about Bone getting mad at his mountain goat.
Cujo DeSockpuppet
news:bd04e644-1865-47ca...@g22g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
> On Nov 8, 6:20�pm, Cujo DeSockpuppet <c...@petitmorte.net> wrote:
>> "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <scie...@zzz.com> wrote
>> innews:b
> c0fe0f1-4fee-4af7...@f18g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 8, 12:22�pm, "Hagar" <hs...@surewest.net> wrote:
>> >> "Rex" <rexdudeREMOVEANDREVERSEDOM...@liam.ur> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:hd6v16$kqr$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> >> > Hagar wrote:
>>
>> >> >>>>>>> I don't blow my own horn. I love to ride my Harley, drink
>> >> >>>>>>> beer and take the occasional toke. �I do detest Liberals,
>> >> >>>>>>> but this is not the forum to address that issue.Despite
>> >> >>>>>>> your conviction to the contrary, I am the least prejudiced
>> >> >>>>>>> person you'll ever meet. �I am pragmatic and will call a
>> >> >>>>>>> spade a spade, a nigger a nigger and a redneck a
>> >> >>>>>>> redneck. �If they can prove to me that they are worthy
>> >> >>>>>>> the label of a Diamond, a Black Gentleman or a
>> >> >>>>>>> Southern Gentleman, then they have earned my respect.
>>
>> >> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >>> --- ---
The Artie/Gary sock whines again.
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in dfw.*,
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme Holy
Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 & 4/2007 HL&S
award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse
Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895.
"It's so sad that the mentally ill were turned out by Reagan, and end
up on usenet harassing people as a form of therapy." - Edmo outs himself.
Hagar
"Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <sci...@zzz.com> wrote in message
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Sir ARti�
***************************************
Hey, LipFlapper, you were just "bitch-slapped" by the mighty Cujo ...
Bwahahahahahahhhh ... rave on, Lunatic!!
Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA
> "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <scie...@zzz.com> wrote in messagenews:bd04e644-1865-47ca...@g22g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> ***************************************
> Hey, LipFlapper, you were just "bitch-slapped" by the mighty Cujo ...
> Bwahahahahahahhhh ... rave on, Lunatic!!
I WAS going to tell the commandant of the FEMA camp you will be
departed to, to take it easy on you. But no more, this kind of
insubordination will not be tolerated!! Your kind and your cults kind
are of no use to the rest of humanity and will have to be
sequestered. At least you will be surrounded by kooks like
yourself!
There will be no more warnings, give up and turn yourself in!!
Sir ArtiØ
H.
"Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA" <sci...@zzz.com>
wrote in message
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On Nov 9, 2:42 pm, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
> "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."
> <scie...@zzz.com> wrote in
> messagenews:bd04e644-1865-47ca...@g22g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 8, 6:20 pm, Cujo DeSockpuppet
> <c...@petitmorte.net> wrote:
> Hey, LipFlapper, you were just "bitch-slapped" by the
> mighty Cujo ...
> Bwahahahahahahhhh ... rave on, Lunatic!!
****************************************************************
I WAS going to tell the commandant of the FEMA camp you
will be
departed to, to take it easy on you. But no more, this
kind of
insubordination will not be tolerated!! Your kind and
your cults kind
are of no use to the rest of humanity and will have to
be
sequestered. At least you will be surrounded by kooks
like
yourself!
There will be no more warnings, give up and turn
yourself in!!
Sir FArti�
=============================================
From the ramblings of an insane alien lover.
H
Hagar
Is that "alien lover" or "lover of aliens" ... or is there even any
difference ..
In my younger days I used to hear buddies brag about picking up
chicks and "fucking their brains out" ... I wonder if the Aleeuns did the
same thing to the LipFlapper ... since there is no "there" there ....
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
> "Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA" <scie...@zzz.com>
> wrote in messagenews:30e59715-a2c9-421a...@z4g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 9, 2:42 pm, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote:
>
> > "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."
> > <scie...@zzz.com> wrote in
> > messagenews:bd04e644-1865-47ca...@g22g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> > On Nov 8, 6:20 pm, Cujo DeSockpuppet
> > <c...@petitmorte.net> wrote:
> > Hey, LipFlapper, you were just "bitch-slapped" by the
> > mighty Cujo ...
> > Bwahahahahahahhhh ... rave on, Lunatic!!
>
> ****************************************************************
>
> I WAS going to tell the commandant of the FEMA camp you
> will be
> departed to, to take it easy on you. But no more, this
> kind of
> insubordination will not be tolerated!! Your kind and
> your cults kind
> are of no use to the rest of humanity and will have to
> be
> sequestered. At least you will be surrounded by kooks
> like
> yourself!
>
> There will be no more warnings, give up and turn
> yourself in!!
>
>
> =============================================
> From the ramblings of an insane alien lover.
> H
You are your ilk are now considered Truth-terrorists and will be dealt
with in a like-minded manner by the ARMY of ALL MANKIND!! We as a
collective people who treasure liberty, democracy and freedom have had
it up to here with you and your kind, and we will not take it
anymore. We now demand that you turn yourself into the nearest FEMA
camp for immediate processing. Now GO!!!
H.
"Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."
news:22ad8357-38eb-47b8...@j9g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>
> =============================================
> From the ramblings of an insane alien lover.
> H
You are your ilk are now considered Truth-terrorists
and will be dealt
with in a like-minded manner by the ARMY of ALL
MANKIND!! We as a
collective people who treasure liberty, democracy and
freedom have had
it up to here with you and your kind, and we will not
take it
anymore. We now demand that you turn yourself into the
nearest FEMA
camp for immediate processing. Now GO!!!
==================================================
Well, maybe not alien lover but damn sure insane.
H.
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
> "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."<garymatalu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > =============================================
> > From the ramblings of an insane alien lover.
> > H
>
> You are your ilk are now considered Truth-terrorists
> and will be dealt
> with in a like-minded manner by the ARMY of ALL
> MANKIND!! We as a
> collective people who treasure liberty, democracy and
> freedom have had
> it up to here with you and your kind, and we will not
> take it
> anymore. We now demand that you turn yourself into the
> nearest FEMA
> camp for immediate processing. Now GO!!!
> ==================================================
>
> Well, maybe not alien lover but damn sure insane.
> H.
"H"eroin, your kind are no longer needed or welcomed here. Please
leave now. This is a direct ORDER from the defacto moderator.
Sir ArtiØ
Cujo DeSockpuppet
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> On Nov 11, 8:51�am, "H." <hbo...@charter.net> wrote:
>> "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."<garymatalu...@gmail.com>
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>> > Sir FArti�
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> =====================> > From the ramblings of an insane alien lover.
>> > H
>>
>> You are your ilk are now considered Truth-terrorists
>> and will be dealt
>> with in a like-minded manner by the ARMY of ALL
>> MANKIND!! �We as a
>> collective people who treasure liberty, democracy and
>> freedom have had
>> it up to here with you and your kind, and we will not
>> take it
>> anymore. �We now demand that you turn yourself into the
>> nearest FEMA
>> camp for immediate processing. �Now GO!!!
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>> Well, maybe not alien lover but damn sure insane.
>> H.
>
> "H"eroin, your kind are no longer needed or welcomed here. Please
> leave now. This is a direct ORDER from the defacto moderator.
As the OOoKaT I make the rules here, Artie/Gary. Now fuck off, powerless
loser.
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surely kook better than you." - Ilya Shambat on his own sanity.
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
>
> >> > =======================
> > =====================> > From the ramblings of an insane alien lover.
> >> > H
>
> >> You are your ilk are now considered Truth-terrorists
> >> and will be dealt
> >> with in a like-minded manner by the ARMY of ALL
> >> MANKIND!! We as a
> >> collective people who treasure liberty, democracy and
> >> freedom have had
> >> it up to here with you and your kind, and we will not
> >> take it
> >> anymore. We now demand that you turn yourself into the
> >> nearest FEMA
> >> camp for immediate processing. Now GO!!!
> >> ========================
> > =========================>
> >> Well, maybe not alien lover but damn sure insane.
> >> H.
>
> > "H"eroin, your kind are no longer needed or welcomed here. Please
> > leave now. This is a direct ORDER from the defacto moderator.
>
> As the OOoKaT I make the rules here, Artie/Gary. Now fuck off, powerless
> loser.
Quit messing around debunker! ALL MANKIND are finally uniting under
the banner of anti-debunkerism! Your cults time is running out so give
up now are take your entire cult over to the nearest FEMA camp. Thank
you,
Sir ArtiØ
H.
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> > =============================================
> > From the ramblings of an insane alien lover.
> > H
>
> You are your ilk are now considered Truth-terrorists
> and will be dealt
> with in a like-minded manner by the ARMY of ALL
> MANKIND!! We as a
> collective people who treasure liberty, democracy and
> freedom have had
> it up to here with you and your kind, and we will not
> take it
> anymore. We now demand that you turn yourself into
> the
> nearest FEMA
> camp for immediate processing. Now GO!!!
> ==================================================
>
> Well, maybe not alien lover but damn sure insane.
> H.
"H"eroin, your kind are no longer needed or welcomed
here. Please
leave now. This is a direct ORDER from the defacto
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Sir Arti�
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I rest my case. What a nut.
H.
H.
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Sir Arti�
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Is there any question about the sanity of this person?
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Cujo DeSockpuppet
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> "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."
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> . On Nov 12, 3:22 am, Cujo DeSockpuppet
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>> "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."
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>> > On Nov 11, 8:51 am, "H." <hbo...@charter.net>
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>> >> "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers
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>> >> .. On Nov 10, 7:04 am, "H." <hbo...@charter.net>
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>> >> > "Sir Arthur CB Wholeflaffers ASA"
>> >> > <scie...@zzz.com>
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>> >> > On Nov 9, 2:42 pm, "Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name>
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>> >> > > "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."
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Sure! I wonder if the goofy fucker will off itself.
PS: Please!
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threatening thing a "funny thing", so as not to have to face just how
incompetant and fearful you yourself really are." - Edmo demonstrating
his
incompetance and fear.
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
> "H." <hbo...@charter.net> wrote innews:6VWKm.10464$Sw5....@newsfe16.iad:
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> > "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."
> > ===================================
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> > Is there any question about the sanity of this person?
People, do no be mislead, those who stare at debunkers have meet
serious consequences. This is why ALL debunkers will be sequestered!
IT is for societies best interests!
The few remaining debunkers on these newsgroups are being asked to
surrender and turn themselves over to the nearest FEMA camp!
Thank you for your cooperation in these matters.
H.
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> > ===================================
>
> > Is there any question about the sanity of this
> > person?
People, do no be mislead, those who stare at debunkers
have meet
serious consequences. This is why ALL debunkers will
be sequestered!
IT is for societies best interests!
The few remaining debunkers on these newsgroups are
being asked to
surrender and turn themselves over to the nearest FEMA
camp!
Thank you for your cooperation in these matters.
=============================================
I rest my case. This loon needs to be locked up.
H.
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
> > > ===================================
>
> > > Is there any question about the sanity of this
> > > person?
>
> People, do no be mislead, those who stare at debunkers
> have meet
> serious consequences. This is why ALL debunkers will
> be sequestered!
> IT is for societies best interests!
>
> The few remaining debunkers on these newsgroups are
> being asked to
> surrender and turn themselves over to the nearest FEMA
> camp!
>
> Thank you for your cooperation in these matters.
> =============================================
>
> I rest my case. This loon needs to be locked up.
> H.
Very funny spOOk. Your kind are no longer welcomed or needed here.
Please remove yourself from these democratic newsgroups. There must
be something you can do......perhaps not!
EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH AMERICAN COMPUTER PRESIDENT JACK SHULMAN ON
THE ROSWELL/BELL LABS CONTROVERSY
[Since mid-August, a controversy has raged on the internet concerning
highly
provocative information posted on the web site of American Computer
Company
(see CNI News of September 16, 1997; and visit ACC's web site:
http://www.american-computer.com). In brief, ACC has suggested that
the
historic invention of the transistor at Bell Laboratories in December,
1947
might have been aided by covert transfer of technology from an alien
spacecraft recovered near Roswell, New Mexico. This suggestion
directly
parallels similar claims made by Lt. Col. Philip Corso in his recent
book,
"The Day After Roswell." However, ACC personnel state they had no
knowledge
of Corso or his book, but relied instead on information provided by a
"consultant" who remains nameless.
American Computer's president and chief technical officer is Jack
Shulman. In
recent weeks, Shulman himself has come under scrutiny by UFO
researchers, as
have several other people who have presumed to speak in a seemingly
authoritative way on behalf of American Computer. Chief among these
"others"
are one Ed Wang and one Bob Wolf. Pronouncements attributed to these
two
persons have raised suspicions that Shulman himself may have been
writing
under one or several pseudonyms.
CNI News, working in cooperation with radio host Jeff Rense of the
popular
syndicated program "Sightings on the Radio," [see Jeff's web site at
http://www.sightings.com], is seeking to verify or dispel the various
rumors
swirling around ACC and the person of Jack Shulman, so that public
attention
can be refocused to the significant issues raised on the American
Computer
web site. This special supplement to the October 1 edition of CNI News
is
directed to that goal.
The following is an edited transcript of a telephone interview between
Jeff
Rense and Jack Shulman which took place on September 29. Jeff Rense
and CNI
News editor Michael Lindemann consulted together on the questions to
be asked
prior to the call.
CNI News recognizes that the statements made by Shulman in this
interview by
no means satisfy all the questions we would like to have answered.
However,
we hope that this information represents a contribution to the ongoing
investigation of this unusual case.
Thanks to Jeff Rense for sharing the complete contents of this
interview with
CNI News.]
JEFF RENSE: It's September 29, and we're talking with American
Computer
Company president Jack Shulman. To begin with, are you, Jack Shulman,
writing
under the pseudonym "Ed Wang"?
JACK SHULMAN: No
RENSE: Have you ever met Ed Wang?
SHULMAN: No.
RENSE: Have you ever talked to anyone calling himself Ed Wang?
SHULMAN:: Yes, he's called here a couple of times. At one time he had
asked
us if he could use an account at one of the computer science
associations
nearby to access the internet for the purpose of investigative
reporting.
That predated this whole controversy. We did in fact give him an
account to
use, back about eleven months ago. I don't remember what he was
investigating
at that time. Then somebody raised his name, in about the early part
of
August, asking us if we could verify something that he had paraphrased
from
one of the stories on our web site. Since he had paraphrased, and it
was all
quoted and everything, it would have been just as easy for that party
to just
look at our web page. So we said, "If you'll look at our web page,
you'll see
that whatever he's paraphrased here does appear to resemble exactly
the words
that are on the web page." To my knowledge, the only other contact
we've had
with Ed Wang is an occasional call from him, much as you've called me
today,
and others such as Stig Agermose, who have contacted us to ask
questions.
RENSE: Who is Bob Wolf? Does he mean anything to American Computer?
SHULMAN: Again, he's one of the people, like Jared Anderson, Ed Wang,
Linda
Moulton Howe, yourself and others, who've written us. There have been
dozens
of people who have either written us or called us for information. I
have
spoken to Bob Wolf at length by phone. I have not personally met the
guy. He
does appear to be a very nice fellow. He's given me some very
interesting
information. I don't know if I'd take all of it without the proverbial
grain
of salt, because he has told me some things that led me to believe
there are
parts of his background that he doesn't want to disclose to me.
Apparently he
worked for the U.S. Navy as a Seal, but I can't verify that. I can't
call the
Seals organization and ask if this guy was a Seal. They won't respond
to
that.
RENSE: What is your purpose in exposing the Roswell/Bell Labs
allegations on
the ACC web site, thereby attaching your credibility, for better or
worse,
not only to Roswell, but to claims concerning Bell Labs' access to
alien
technology -- claims which either must be substantiated, or which
could make
you look like a nut, or a disinformer?
SHULMAN: I don't think there was any purpose -- either to look like
nut, a
disinformer, a credible source or anything -- taken into consideration
at
first. We had a consultant come to me and tell me this story. At
first, I was
quite skeptical about it. I knew a lot of the facts, because they are
pretty
much matters of record, but had always thought that the reason there
was a
cloud of -- shall we say -- controversy about the exact origins of
William
Shockley's transistor was that it stemmed perhaps from a prehistory
that AT&T
didn't care to disclose. I didn't have any idea, up until the time
that the
consultant came to me and raised these issues, that it might in fact
be
related to the Roswell incident. I originally thought [the origin] was
something like German rocket scientists....
RENSE: How did this consultant come to you?
SHULMAN: I had known the consultant years ago. We had met each other
in the
hinterlands of AT&T. I've worked on and off in AT&T contracts over the
course
of a couple of decades. And about a year ago, in my capacity as the
chairperson of the American Computer Science Foundation, I was asked
to
review materials that pertained to an ongoing investigation of
telephone
company practices that were pertinent to the success of the computer
industry, during the course of which I happened to come across some
fairly
strong allegations that were made by the consultant in the dominion of
that
specific investigation. I was not at that time informed of the
possibility of
an alien technology transfer. It was not until he came to me
personally and
suggested it that I said to him, "Well, you're going to have to show
me some
bonafide evidence before I even consider this." About six months later
he
came back to me with what appeared to me to be... some evidence that
might
suggest in fact that the transistor came from some kind of a project
involving investigation into an alien technology of some kind.
RENSE: Can you elaborate on that evidence at all?
SHULMAN: I can tell you that I have seen what appears to be some notes
from
someone. However, I cannot verify their authenticity, so I'd really
not like
to describe them in any detail. Frankly, Jeff, I grow concerned about
leading
people in the wrong direction. They did give me the appearance of a
lab
notebook, of a lab-keeper's notebook. In fact, they did appear to
describe or
have an actual memorandum referring to a disinformation campaign in
late 1947
at AT&T. But again, they could have been a complete forgery. They
could have
been anything. They might have been legitimate too. At that particular
juncture, I said to him, "OK, this now looks like it's fairly
conceivable it
might have happened, if in fact this is bonafide." So he suggested to
me, Why
don't we at the American Computer Science Foundation post some kind of
white
paper on the subject? I said we really can't do that. He asked me why,
and I
said to him that it was because American Computer Science Foundation
carries
the weight of its membership companies, etc., all of which might lend
a
greater weight, in essence underwriting the credibility of this story
in a
way that I would not intend it to. I would prefer that the information
somehow stand on its own. Well, he pestered me for a couple of months.
We
were talking over coffee, reviewing the whole thing, and he suggested,
"Why
don't you put it on your American Computer Company web site?" I said I
can't
do that, because it might [reflect badly on ACC]. So he said -- and
I'll be
blunt with you here -- "Why don't you make it look humorous? That way,
you
have a plausibly deniable excuse." I said, "It IS humorous, in a way,
because
if you look at it, you have a company -- if in fact they did obtain
technology from a technology transfer source -- that's been running
around
for fifty years trying to hide that fact." That's funny. Why would
anybody do
that? It struck me at that particular moment that AT&T would have been
better
off admitting it. So I said, "OK, why don't we make it appear in its
proper
light -- as outrageous and/or funny -- and put it on the ACC web site
and see
if we get any reaction at all from anybody who reads it. Perhaps if it
strikes a chord, somebody will contact us and tell us whether this is
ridiculous or not." Initially, we did not expect anyone from your
investigative arena to even notice the story. At least I didn't. The
consultant may have, but I did not. I initially thought that people
would see
it in passing and would say, hmm, how interesting, how humorous, or
whatever.
RENSE: You had no idea of the potential scope of this?
SHULMAN: Well, interestingly, exactly what I thought might happen did
happen
-- that is, it struck a chord with somebody and they wrote us. Sure
enough,
the first week someone wrote us and said, "Yes, my father worked for
AT&T/Bell Labs in 1947, and in the early '60s took me to see a UFO." I
was
flabbergasted, absolutely floored. You could have knocked me over with
a
feather at that moment. Not because I was skeptical, but in the
context of
how ridiculous it makes AT&T look, I found it to be humorous. What,
are they
crazy? Why didn't they come out with it in 1947? The world would have
been in
their debt. AT&T would have been the greatest company that ever lived.
Why
would they hide it?
It was then that the full import of the suggestion of profiteering
began to
occur to me. If in fact this were true, the profiteering aspect was
something
that none of us considered. If people were ready to make billions and
billions of dollars for 200 years on this kind of technology, and it
came
from an "alien source," they would keep it a secret -- because if it
came
from outside of AT&T, it wouldn't belong to AT&T. It hadn't even
dawned on
us, because we were looking at it from the perspective of how amazing
the
story is, how earthshaking, and how silly it would be to keep it a
secret --
until we began to realize who was in the business of profiting from
this kind
of technology.
RENSE: Do you have any relationship with Bell Labs now, Jack?
SHULMAN: Not really. They call us every once in a while to look at
buying
equipment, but I am no longer personally doing any consulting for Bell
Labs.
RENSE: Does the consultant?
SHULMAN: Occasionally. He or she does communications-related
consulting in
the defense industries, and very specifically his or her identity is
being
withheld for security reasons.
RENSE: Has the consultant expressed to you any surprise at the amount
of
internet interest in this story?
SHULMAN: He and several of our public relations consultant clients
said that,
frankly, it will do quite well as a story on the internet because it
will
serve to brighten up the interest of some very frustrated people. This
information will give people in your investigative field some leverage
in
dealing with the whole subject. Even if the entire story might not be
100
percent accurate for whatever reason, the facts described in our story
are
materially largely true. For instance -- and it's been interesting to
see how
many people have reacted adversely to this suggestion -- if you take a
look
at the part about the Nike-Ajax missile bases, and the anti-aircraft
guns
that preceded them, in and around AT&T down in Red Bank, outside of
Crawford's Corners, up in Murray Hill and over in Holmdel, it's almost
shocking to discover that, while New York City and New Jersey sat
undefended,
AT&T had both anti-aircraft and then anti-missile batteries
constructed
around them in the 1940s and 1950s. This is painfully humorous. It
actually
hurts to consider that AT&T and Bell Labs are more important than the
citizens of our country. So I'm thinking, wow, there must be more than
just
the labs there. Because I know something about the research community,
and I
don't know that there is anything at AT&T from 1947 to 1997 that was
irreplaceable. Whereas, when I think of places like the Applied
Physics
Laboratory, Cold Springs Harbor, Lawrence Livermore -- there are
projects
going on there that are not reproducible, and I'm not sure they all
have
Nike-Ajax missile bases around them.
RENSE: Concerning the allegations about Bell Labs, then, would you say
that
you are a conduit for someone else's information?
SHULMAN: Yes, we are providing a forum. To date, only Motorola from
the AT&T
arena has tried to dispute it. AT&T appears to be remaining mute on
the
subject. And Lucent has remained mute, although I must tell you that
our
relationship with Lucent on the technical support side -- because we
support
some of Lucent's products on the AT&T phone systems -- has been less
than
warm since August 15. We've actually been hung up on a few times.
RENSE: But have you had anyone call up and tell you, Jack, you've
really
stepped across the boundary here?
SHULMAN: No, not thus far. We've gotten a couple of nasty letters from
people
who didn't provide a return email address. But we're just trying to
provide a
forum for people to hear these facts and either disprove them or prove
them.
There's nothing worse, in my view, than something like this that's
left open
to conjecture indefinitely, because it does nothing but hurt the
people who
try to consider it, and I think it hurts the country to some degree. I
think
it weakens our country. The fact that people will continuously arrive
at the
conclusion, for instance, that either the DoD, or the president, or
someone
like that is not disclosing facts to them that they ought to disclose,
leads
to the kind of thinking that undermines our democratic system. It
tends to
erode our confidence in government, and I think our confidence in
government
really needs to be reinforced.
RENSE: Is American Computer consciously part of a larger coordinated
campaign
of public disclosure or education aimed at revealing things about the
alleged
alien presence on earth?
SHULMAN: No. Not unless you call ACC's own campaign that broader one.
Nobody
came to us other than this consultant.
RENSE: So would you say that Jack Shulman, as a matter of conscience
and
patriotism, independently decided to put this on his web site?
SHULMAN: Conscience, yes, simply because I thought that the facts
deserved
disclosure and consideration. The public should know. Even if they're
not
true, the fact is they appear to have some degree of plausibility, so
they
should be considered on their own weight.
By the way, I was caught completely off guard by Colonel Corso's book.
I did
not know the book existed until Jared Anderson called here and spoke
to John
Schwartz, one of my VPs, who got me on the phone immediately and said,
"Did
you know there's a book that describes transfers of technology from
either
Roswell or some other crash to AT&T?" That was the first I heard of
it.
As for what you call patriotism: We are our government, Jeff. The
government
is us. We have this perception of a dyspeptic, detached entity with X-
Files
guys running around in it, Men-in-Black running around in it, abusive
IRS
guys running around in it -- all those reasons are used by people who
are
insurrectional in their thinking. I don't happen to share those views.
I
happen to love this country and the people who live here, and I think
that if
they have a gripe or a beef, it deserves to be aired. And this is one
of
those that appears to deserve to be aired.... I raised that very issue
in a
letter to, dare I say, Secretary of Defense William Cohen. I stated my
concern that -- what do they say, "Sooth the savage beast"? -- I'm
concerned
that a "savage beast" will emerge eventually from the disinformation,
lack of
information, strangely conflicting or compelling stories, and the lack
of a
basic kind of town-hall sit-down to discuss these matters. I mean, how
expensive is it for the government to respond to a million FOIA
requests a
year, compared with one concerted effort to gather all the
information, keep
it pure, break down a few barriers that might be left over from some
nameless
classified project....?
RENSE: It sounds like you don't subscribe to the idea of a fifty-year,
coordinated cover-up of the UFO subject.
SHULMAN: I think I would have to see actual evidence of a coordinated
cover-up. It's not that I don't subscribe to it. It's that I don't as
yet see
evidence of anything other than bureaucracy, technical deficiencies in
requests [for information], a disinclination on the part of the
government to
discuss the matter. I think, if anything, I'd call it a fifty-year
disinclination, rather than cover-up.
RENSE: But the reasons for that "disinclination" are the key...
SHULMAN: That's correct. That's one of the things we raised in the
Shadowlake
Invitation page on our web site [an open letter to the Secretary of
Defense,
Joint Chiefs of Staff and other top officials to participate in an
open forum
on the subject of UFOs.]
RENSE: That letter has caused a lot of reaction. Who wrote that?
SHULMAN: It was written by American Computer Company. You have people
working
here, including myself, who are less than inclined to seek the public
spotlight on this issue. We are not what you'd call publicity hounds.
RENSE: I understand. What is your personal opinion about the ET issue,
vis a
vis our military and our government?
SHULMAN: My personal opinion is a very troubled one. I have a degree
of
personal integrity that forbids my [drawing conclusions] until I've
seen the
absolute facts. I have not concluded one way or the other. But I am
inclined
to believe that it is more likely that there is some shred of truth to
visitation than that there is no shred of truth.
RENSE: Do you expect any more information from your consultant to come
through ACC's web site?
SHULMAN: I can't say at this moment. We have a plan in place, that
we're
considering, to raise the ante a little bit to try to generate some
kind of
reaction out of the Department of Defense that might lean toward the
town-hall, public-forum type of meeting. But I really don't want to
reveal
any more about this now.
RENSE: Is the consultant's agenda, in your opinion, personal, or is he
or she
being directed by any agency?
SHULMAN: The consultant does not work, to my knowledge, on this
particular
story for any agency, because that would probably violate the
consultant's
security oath. The consultant has been advised, and has advised us,
that the
information that he or she has given us is "allowed" to be given to us
by
whatever agency he or she consults to, because the information was
obtained
other than through their employment by the U.S. government. Meaning,
the guy
worked at AT&T, came across this information, and was not working for
the
federal government at the time, so the federal government cannot
prevent him
or her from releasing it to us. But to be very distinct here... the
federal
government is not particularly happy that the information is being
given out.
RENSE: How do you know that?
SHULMAN: That's a comment from the consultant. He said, "I don't think
they're happy that I'm talking. I don't think they're upset, but I
don't
think they're happy."
RENSE: To summarize: Would you say that you think the information
given by
the consultant is credible and believable? This seems to go without
saying,
or you wouldn't have put it on your web site.
SHULMAN: "The information" is rather broad. There are a lot of
different
parts to this, and some feel more accurate to me than others.
RENSE: On balance, would you say that ACC's web postings on this
subject are
important?
SHULMAN: That's been said to me. Again, we did not do it to attract
this kind
of publicity. We did it because we thought we would attract some
interest
from someone, somewhere, who might know whether it's true or not --
meaning
other than from sources that the consultant has, such as past contacts
with
John Morton [formerly of Bell Labs], William Shockley, others at AT&T
and
Defense who were involved with him at the time. The problem is, too
many
people are trying to read into it, Jeff. If it's true, it's true -- if
it's
not, it's not. I was not there in 1947. I cannot swear if it is or
isn't. A
complete charade could be presented to me, and I could be fooled if it
were
presented properly. It could be suggested that the consultant is a
bold-faced
liar, or that he has had information given to him that is untrue but
looks
very plausible and believable at the level of detail that we presently
know.
RENSE: Thanks very much for your time.
[Jeff Rense has invited Jack Shulman to be a live guest on "Sightings
on the
Radio," where many of the foregoing issues might be explored in
greater
depth. No date for that interview has yet been announced. Meanwhile,
CNI News
will continue to pursue the ACC/Bell Labs/Roswell story.]
Dr.Smith
"Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote in message
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> Just saw a ad trailer for the above mentioned movie.
> Perhaps it just might work on real people. To that end,
> I encourage all Conservatives to put a picture of
> Nancy Pelosi on their computer screens and begin
> staring at it this evening at 7:00pm.
> With any luck, the old goat will keel over in less than
> 5 minutes ...
>
> of Obama next to hers ..
>
Can we start this again. I just read the post this morning (12/21/09).
Lost of stuff in this newsgroup.