Inquiries about Jesus Christ
HVAC
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> It is a dialogue from which clearly comes out that Jesus Christ is
> resurrected.
Then it's a fake, obviously.
> It has been read by thousands of people all over the world and has
> provided to strengthen a lot of people in the Faith,
Faith.... FAITH?
Faith is a fucking joke. It's a cloak for the gullible and the stupid
to
hide behind because they *have no proof*.
I like that, Isa gonna say it again:
Faith is a fucking joke. It's a cloak for the gullible and the stupid
to
hide behind because they *have no proof*.
> to make the
> doubtful people to think it over and to see that the atheists would be
> surrendered.
My Kook-To-English translating software broke when I put that in.
Faith .................. BWAHAhahahahahahaha!
duke
>Faith.... FAITH?
>Faith is a fucking joke. It's a cloak for the gullible and the stupid
>to hide behind because they *have no proof*.
It's definitely a joke when one professes the fable that God is a myth. There
is no support what-so-ever for such a wild idea. All evidence to be found
supports the existence of God.
So if you think you have proof that there is no God, let's see it.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
HVAC
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>
>>Faith is a fucking joke. It's a cloak for the gullible and the stupid
>>to hide behind because they *have no proof*.
>
> It's definitely a joke when one professes the fable that God is a myth. There
> is no support what-so-ever for such a wild idea. All evidence to be found
> supports the existence of God.
>
> So if you think you have proof that there is no God, let's see it.
Well, you've got me there, Dupe. I can't prove that god doesn't exist.
Then again, I can't prove that Tinkerbelle doesn't exist.
To believe that Tinkerbelle exists would require "faith".
Hahahahahaha!
> *****
> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI
> *****
Did you know that pope Paul hid priests that were
fucking little boys in the ass? Do YOU fuck little
boys in the ass? I bet you do.
I can't prove that you don't. I take it on faith that you are a queer.
Kenny McCormack
duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 04:12:02 -0700 (PDT), HVAC <MR....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Faith.... FAITH?
>
>>Faith is a fucking joke. It's a cloak for the gullible and the stupid
>>to hide behind because they *have no proof*.
>
>It's definitely a joke when one professes the fable that God is a myth. There
>is no support what-so-ever for such a wild idea. All evidence to be found
>supports the existence of God.
>
>So if you think you have proof that there is no God, let's see it.
You need to look up the definition of the word "proof".
And, you might also want to check in on "burden of proof".
Mark K. Bilbo
Duckshit? Words?
You're trying to be funny huh?
Hagar
>
>>Faith.... FAITH?
>
>>Faith is a fucking joke. It's a cloak for the gullible and the stupid
>>to hide behind because they *have no proof*.
>
> It's definitely a joke when one professes the fable that God is a myth.
> There
> is no support what-so-ever for such a wild idea. All evidence to be found
> supports the existence of God.
>
> So if you think you have proof that there is no God, let's see it.
Ever hear of the adage "Innocent until proven Guilty" ??
It seems to me the onus of proof is upon you. And just like the UFO
nutjobs, who swear that UFOs exist and crash to Earth all the time, not one
single piece of evidence has ever been presented.
No concrete piece of evidence to confirm the existence of ANY god has ever
been presented.
As Atheists, we just don't believe in the existence of a god, thus leaving
large areas of brains totally un-cluttered. Thus, we don't feel that we
have to defend our position on religious superstition, nor furnish proof why
the one thing we DON't believe in DOESN"T exist.
Other genres, which don't have to justify their existence:
Non-Internet user's group.
Non-handgun owner's group.
Non-Mountain climber's association.
Kenny McCormack
Mark K. Bilbo <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
...
>> You need to look up the definition of the word "proof".
>> And, you might also want to check in on "burden of proof".
>
>Duckshit? Words?
Is English your first language?
>You're trying to be funny huh?
Huh? I was slagging Mr. Duke.
Bill M
>
>>Faith.... FAITH?
>
>>Faith is a fucking joke. It's a cloak for the gullible and the stupid
>>to hide behind because they *have no proof*.
>
> It's definitely a joke when one professes the fable that God is a myth.
> There
> is no support what-so-ever for such a wild idea. All evidence to be found
> supports the existence of God.
The dumb idiot Duke is again engaged in posting his nonsense.
"All evidence to be found supports the existence of God."
Where is the objective verifable evidence??? Your 'opinion' is worthless.
> So if you think you have proof that there is no God, let's see it.
Take a course in logic. No one can proof of nonexistence. Nonexistence
is the proof!
Stan-O
>On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 04:12:02 -0700 (PDT), HVAC <MR....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Faith.... FAITH?
>
>>Faith is a fucking joke. It's a cloak for the gullible and the stupid
>>to hide behind because they *have no proof*.
>
>It's definitely a joke when one professes the fable that God is a myth. There
>is no support what-so-ever for such a wild idea. All evidence to be found
>supports the existence of God.
>
>So if you think you have proof that there is no God, let's see it.
All evidence to be found? Where? In your fairy tale book? Or is it in
the minds of those old men who wear robes and live in a city-state in
Italy?
John Locke
>On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 04:12:02 -0700 (PDT), HVAC <MR....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Faith.... FAITH?
>
>>Faith is a fucking joke. It's a cloak for the gullible and the stupid
>>to hide behind because they *have no proof*.
>
>It's definitely a joke when one professes the fable that God is a myth. There
>is no support what-so-ever for such a wild idea. All evidence to be found
>supports the existence of God.
>
>So if you think you have proof that there is no God, let's see it.
>
Actually, you've made the claim that "God" exists so it is up to you
to provide proof. I can't provide "Proof" of the non-existence of
"God" but I sure as hell can provide evidence for his total
absence and indifference to the plight of humanity:
http://home.comcast.net/~llucke/Pictures/14682803-S.jpg
...just for starters.
"There is not enough love and kindness in the world
to give any of it away to imaginary beings." - Friederich Nietzsche
duke
>
>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 04:12:02 -0700 (PDT), HVAC <MR....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Faith.... FAITH?
>>
>>>Faith is a fucking joke. It's a cloak for the gullible and the stupid
>>>to hide behind because they *have no proof*.
>>
>> It's definitely a joke when one professes the fable that God is a myth.
>> There
>> is no support what-so-ever for such a wild idea. All evidence to be found
>> supports the existence of God.
>The dumb idiot Duke is again engaged in posting his nonsense.
>"All evidence to be found supports the existence of God."
>Where is the objective verifable evidence??? Your 'opinion' is worthless.
YOUR opinion is worthless.
>> So if you think you have proof that there is no God, let's see it.
>Take a course in logic. No one can proof of nonexistence. Nonexistence
>is the proof!
Yet ALL evidence supports the existence of God.
duke
Ok, you guys said there is no God, so let's see your proof.
duke
>
>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 04:12:02 -0700 (PDT), HVAC <MR....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Faith.... FAITH?
>>
>>>Faith is a fucking joke. It's a cloak for the gullible and the stupid
>>>to hide behind because they *have no proof*.
>>
>> It's definitely a joke when one professes the fable that God is a myth.
>> There
>> is no support what-so-ever for such a wild idea. All evidence to be found
>> supports the existence of God.
>>
>> So if you think you have proof that there is no God, let's see it.
>Ever hear of the adage "Innocent until proven Guilty" ??
Yet I am.
>It seems to me the onus of proof is upon you.
It seems you're wrong. 2000 years ago, a real man appeared, died on a cross, 3
days later walked the earth again, and then ascended to the Father.
Now this man became known 2000 years ago to the point today that there are 2.2
billion believers alive and well today.
There's your onus.
>No concrete piece of evidence to confirm the existence of ANY god has ever
>been presented.
That's concrete enough for me. Can you provide something even remotely
approaching my onus in validity for there being no God? How sadly you purposely
approach your spiritual suicide.
>As Atheists, we just don't believe in the existence of a god,
No, as atheists, you refuse to believe despite all the evidence.
duke
Big bang. Creation of all the stars and the earth, mankind and all animals and
plants, and to especially all the laws of nature.
Take your pick - either God did it, or it's all one big giant accident.
duke
wrote:
>On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 07:02:51 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 04:12:02 -0700 (PDT), HVAC <MR....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Faith.... FAITH?
>>
>>>Faith is a fucking joke. It's a cloak for the gullible and the stupid
>>>to hide behind because they *have no proof*.
>>
>>It's definitely a joke when one professes the fable that God is a myth. There
>>is no support what-so-ever for such a wild idea. All evidence to be found
>>supports the existence of God.
>>
>>So if you think you have proof that there is no God, let's see it.
>>
>Actually, you've made the claim that "God" exists so it is up to you
>to provide proof. I can't provide "Proof" of the non-existence of
>"God" but I sure as hell can provide evidence for his total
>absence and indifference to the plight of humanity:
>http://home.comcast.net/~llucke/Pictures/14682803-S.jpg
>...just for starters.
Nope - that just shows man's inhumanity to man. Do you have anything, any
evidence, that even suggests that God doesn't exist?
Kenny McCormack
duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 12:48:43 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@xmission.xmission.com (Kenny
>McCormack) wrote:
>
>>In article <ovc1741igm2pp9eam...@4ax.com>,
>>duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 04:12:02 -0700 (PDT), HVAC <MR....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Faith.... FAITH?
>>>
>>>>Faith is a fucking joke. It's a cloak for the gullible and the stupid
>>>>to hide behind because they *have no proof*.
>>>
>>>It's definitely a joke when one professes the fable that God is a myth. There
>>>is no support what-so-ever for such a wild idea. All evidence to be found
>>>supports the existence of God.
>>>
>>>So if you think you have proof that there is no God, let's see it.
>>
>>You need to look up the definition of the word "proof".
>>And, you might also want to check in on "burden of proof".
>
>Ok, you guys said there is no God, so let's see your proof.
You might also want to Google for "null hypothesis".
MarkA
You propose the existence of a magical super-being who can fart a Universe
out of his asshole, has existed forever, has no beginning or end, cares
about our day-to-day affairs, then you label skepticism about this
supposed being as a 'wild idea'? You are really a piece of work, duke!
--
MarkA
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> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 11:43:05 +0100, "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> >news:ovc1741igm2pp9eam...@4ax.com...
> >> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 04:12:02 -0700 (PDT), HVAC <MR.H...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>Faith.... FAITH?
>
> >>>Faith is a fucking joke. It's a cloak for the gullible and the stupid
> >>>to hide behind because they *have no proof*.
>
> >> It's definitely a joke when one professes the fable that God is a myth.
> >> There
> >> is no support what-so-ever for such a wild idea. All evidence to be found
> >> supports the existence of God.
> >The dumb idiot Duke is again engaged in posting his nonsense.
> >"All evidence to be found supports the existence of God."
> >Where is the objective verifable evidence??? Your 'opinion' is worthless.
>
> YOUR opinion is worthless.
>
> >> So if you think you have proof that there is no God, let's see it.
> >Take a course in logic. No one can proof of nonexistence. Nonexistence
> >is the proof!
>
> Yet ALL evidence supports the existence of God.
>
> duke, American-American
> *****
> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI
>
> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
Your fingerprints on the murderweapon would this proof the existence
of God?
Interesting theory. . .
HVAC
>>
>>All evidence to be found? Where? In your fairy tale book? Or is it in
>>the minds of those old men who wear robes and live in a city-state in
>>Italy?
>
> Big bang. Creation of all the stars and the earth, mankind and all animals and
> plants, and to especially all the laws of nature.
>
> Take your pick - either God did it, or it's all one big giant accident.
I vote 'accident'.
Stephen Thomas
And every accident is an effect, which must have a cause.
Summary: There *must* be a First Cause to explain why "something
exists", rather than "nothing exists".
But, the bottom line is that if you do not believe in the existence of
God, or rather, if you choose to ignore the existence of God (because
everyone believes deep down inside that there is a Supreme Being), then
that is because God has ordained and decreed that you are predestined
for eternal destruction. Read the ninth chapter of Paul's epistle to the
Romans the next time you're in a public library.
Summary: Faith to trust in God for salvation is itself a gift from God.
Not everyone has it. But those that do have it have been chosen by God
for salvation. Read the first chapter of Paul's epistle to the Ephesians
while you're at the library.
Regards,
george
wrote:
> You need to look up the definition of the word "proof".
> And, you might also want to check in on "burden of proof".
It's a christian.
Empirical evidence methods are in the suitcase "Not wanted on voyage"
Kenny McCormack
BuddyThunder
> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 04:12:02 -0700 (PDT), HVAC <MR....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Faith.... FAITH?
>
>> Faith is a fucking joke. It's a cloak for the gullible and the stupid
>> to hide behind because they *have no proof*.
>
> It's definitely a joke when one professes the fable that God is a myth. There
> is no support what-so-ever for such a wild idea. All evidence to be found
> supports the existence of God.
>
> So if you think you have proof that there is no God, let's see it.
You've been using this nonsense for years, and no-one's bought it yet.
If you have any support for your gods, then bring it. Otherwise prove
that leprechauns don't exist or take up your pot o' gold and meet me at
the end of the rainbow for your new duties.
B-Hate-Me
HVAC
>
> And every accident is an effect, which must have a cause.
>
> Summary: There *must* be a First Cause to explain why "something
> exists", rather than "nothing exists".
First of all, Stevie, *I* wasn't the one who postulated only 2
answers.
Of the two I was given, god or accident, I chose accident.
If you don't like it, kiss my Irish ass.
Secondly, Stevie boy, who says there has to be a "First Cause"?
How about a simple "we have no fucking clue", as to what happened
'before' the big bang. Anything else is presumptuous, pompous,
bullshit.
We can speculate about it all day long, but in the end it's mental
masturbation.
> But, the bottom line is that if you do not believe in the existence of
> God, or rather, if you choose to ignore the existence of God (because
> everyone believes deep down inside that there is a Supreme Being), then
> that is because God has ordained and decreed that you are predestined
> for eternal destruction.
BWAHAHAhahahahaha! Why not just save a bit of time and cast my sorry
ass into the Lake Of Fire(tm) now?
> Read the ninth chapter of Paul's epistle to the
> Romans the next time you're in a public library.
Request denied.
> Summary: Faith to trust in God for salvation is itself a gift from God.
> Not everyone has it. But those that do have it have been chosen by God
> for salvation. Read the first chapter of Paul's epistle to the Ephesians
> while you're at the library.
Again, I'll take a pass. I have better things to do with my time....
Like
shooting roadsigns.
"predestined for eternal destruction" BWAHhahahahahaha!!
Sla#s
> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 04:12:02 -0700 (PDT), HVAC <MR....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Faith.... FAITH?
>
>> Faith is a fucking joke. It's a cloak for the gullible and the stupid
>> to hide behind because they *have no proof*.
>
> It's definitely a joke when one professes the fable that God is a
> myth. There is no support what-so-ever for such a wild idea. All
> evidence to be found supports the existence of God.
>
> So if you think you have proof that there is no God, let's see it.
When will you people understand that it is impossible to prove a negative?
How on earth can you disprove that something isn't there, because there is
nothing there to disprove!
That's the whole point - I say again - "there is nothing there to disprove".
Time after time you people say something like: "All evidence to be found
supports the existence of God." Yet in all the time I have been viewing this
group not one single piece of this claimed evidence has been forthcoming.
NOT ONE SINGLE PIECE!
Oh yes, opinions, faith, mythical stories from an old and discredited book
but of evidence - Nothing.
Slatts
duke
McCormack) wrote:
>In article <9852749pdblrbs6a8...@4ax.com>,
>duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 12:48:43 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@xmission.xmission.com (Kenny
>>McCormack) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <ovc1741igm2pp9eam...@4ax.com>,
>>>duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 04:12:02 -0700 (PDT), HVAC <MR....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Faith.... FAITH?
>>>>
>>>>>Faith is a fucking joke. It's a cloak for the gullible and the stupid
>>>>>to hide behind because they *have no proof*.
>>>>
>>>>It's definitely a joke when one professes the fable that God is a myth. There
>>>>is no support what-so-ever for such a wild idea. All evidence to be found
>>>>supports the existence of God.
>>>>
>>>>So if you think you have proof that there is no God, let's see it.
>>>
>>>You need to look up the definition of the word "proof".
>>>And, you might also want to check in on "burden of proof".
>>
>>Ok, you guys said there is no God, so let's see your proof.
>
>You might also want to Google for "null hypothesis".
You view is a null hypothesis.
Gotcha.
duke
>On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 07:02:51 -0500, duke wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 04:12:02 -0700 (PDT), HVAC <MR....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Faith.... FAITH?
>>
>>>Faith is a fucking joke. It's a cloak for the gullible and the stupid
>>>to hide behind because they *have no proof*.
>>
>> It's definitely a joke when one professes the fable that God is a myth. There
>> is no support what-so-ever for such a wild idea. All evidence to be found
>> supports the existence of God.
>>
>> So if you think you have proof that there is no God, let's see it.
>>
>> duke, American-American
>> *****
>> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
>> Pope Paul VI
>> *****
>
>You propose the existence of a magical super-being who can fart a Universe
>out of his asshole, has existed forever, has no beginning or end, cares
>about our day-to-day affairs, then you label skepticism about this
>supposed being as a 'wild idea'? You are really a piece of work, duke!
Thank you.
duke
>duke wrote:
>> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 04:12:02 -0700 (PDT), HVAC <MR....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Faith.... FAITH?
>>
>>> Faith is a fucking joke. It's a cloak for the gullible and the stupid
>>> to hide behind because they *have no proof*.
>>
>> It's definitely a joke when one professes the fable that God is a myth. There
>> is no support what-so-ever for such a wild idea. All evidence to be found
>> supports the existence of God.
>>
>> So if you think you have proof that there is no God, let's see it.
>
>You've been using this nonsense for years, and no-one's bought it yet.
>
>If you have any support for your gods, then bring it.
The big bang. The creation of the universe out of nothingness. It takes a
creator whom we call almighty God.
duke
>duke wrote:
>> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 04:12:02 -0700 (PDT), HVAC <MR....@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Faith.... FAITH?
>>
>>> Faith is a fucking joke. It's a cloak for the gullible and the stupid
>>> to hide behind because they *have no proof*.
>>
>> It's definitely a joke when one professes the fable that God is a
>> myth. There is no support what-so-ever for such a wild idea. All
>> evidence to be found supports the existence of God.
>>
>> So if you think you have proof that there is no God, let's see it.
>
>When will you people understand that it is impossible to prove a negative?
All my evidence supports the positive.
>How on earth can you disprove that something isn't there, because there is
>nothing there to disprove!
>That's the whole point - I say again - "there is nothing there to disprove".
>
>Time after time you people say something like: "All evidence to be found
>supports the existence of God." Yet in all the time I have been viewing this
>group not one single piece of this claimed evidence has been forthcoming.
>NOT ONE SINGLE PIECE!
Catch the big bang.
>Oh yes, opinions, faith, mythical stories from an old and discredited book
>but of evidence - Nothing.
>Slatts
duke, American-American
HVAC
news:ovc1741igm2pp9eam...@4ax.com...
>
>>Faith is a fucking joke. It's a cloak for the gullible and the stupid
>>to hide behind because they *have no proof*.
>
> It's definitely a joke when one professes the fable that God is a myth. There
> is no support what-so-ever for such a wild idea. All evidence to be found
> supports the existence of God.
>
> So if you think you have proof that there is no God, let's see it.
Well, you've got me there, Dupe. I can't prove that god doesn't exist.
Then again, I can't prove that Tinkerbelle doesn't exist.
To believe that Tinkerbelle exists would require "faith".
Hahahahahaha!
> *****
> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI
> *****
Did you know that pope Paul hid priests that were
fucking little boys in the ass? Do YOU fuck little
boys in the ass? I bet you do.
I can't prove that you don't. I take it on faith that you are a queer.
Sla#s
<SNIP>>
What evidence?
We're waiting .................
Slatts
Stan-O
>>All evidence to be found? Where? In your fairy tale book? Or is it in
>>the minds of those old men who wear robes and live in a city-state in
>>Italy?
>
>Big bang. Creation of all the stars and the earth, mankind and all animals and
>plants, and to especially all the laws of nature.
>
>Take your pick - either God did it, or it's all one big giant accident.
OK, it was an accident. (You're too easy)
Bill M
You keep making this false claim with NO evidence to support it.
Believing in myths and fables is NOT OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE
which you can' supply!
Bill M
> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 12:48:43 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@xmission.xmission.com
> (Kenny
> McCormack) wrote:
>
>>In article <ovc1741igm2pp9eam...@4ax.com>,
>>duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 04:12:02 -0700 (PDT), HVAC <MR....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Faith.... FAITH?
>>>
>>>>Faith is a fucking joke. It's a cloak for the gullible and the stupid
>>>>to hide behind because they *have no proof*.
>>>
>>>It's definitely a joke when one professes the fable that God is a myth.
>>>There
>>>is no support what-so-ever for such a wild idea. All evidence to be
>>>found
>>>supports the existence of God.
>>>
>>>So if you think you have proof that there is no God, let's see it.
>>
>>You need to look up the definition of the word "proof".
>>And, you might also want to check in on "burden of proof".
>
> Ok, you guys said there is no God, so let's see your proof.
The proof it does not exist is the total lack of objective verifiable
evidence for its existence.
Get an education, Duke!
Bill M
> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 07:42:26 -0700, "Hagar" <hs...@surewest.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>news:ovc1741igm2pp9eam...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 04:12:02 -0700 (PDT), HVAC <MR....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Faith.... FAITH?
>>>
>>>>Faith is a fucking joke. It's a cloak for the gullible and the stupid
>>>>to hide behind because they *have no proof*.
>>>
>>> It's definitely a joke when one professes the fable that God is a myth.
>>> There
>>> is no support what-so-ever for such a wild idea. All evidence to be
>>> found
>>> supports the existence of God.
>>>
>>> So if you think you have proof that there is no God, let's see it.
>
>>Ever hear of the adage "Innocent until proven Guilty" ??
>
> Yet I am.
>
>>It seems to me the onus of proof is upon you.
>
> It seems you're wrong. 2000 years ago, a real man appeared, died on a
> cross, 3
> days later walked the earth again, and then ascended to the Father.
>
> Now this man became known 2000 years ago to the point today that there are
> 2.2
> billion believers alive and well today.
>
> There's your onus.
There are close to a thousands different god beliefs.
There is no objective verifiable evidence that ANY of them are real.
IF there was a REAL GOD, why would he permit his creations to be so misled
by all
these many false gods? How do you KNOW your god is real?
Get an education!
Bill M
> On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 12:04:07 -0400, Stan-O <bnds...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 07:02:51 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 04:12:02 -0700 (PDT), HVAC <MR....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Big bang. Creation of all the stars and the earth, mankind and all
> animals and
> plants, and to especially all the laws of nature.
You keep claiming the "Big Bang" is proof of your god. This has nothing to
do with your imaginary god.
What Happened Before The Big Bang?
Science Daily - New discoveries have been made about another universe whose
collapse appears to have given birth to the one we live in today. They will
be announced in the early on-line edition of the journal Nature Physics on 1
July 2007 and will be published in the August 2007 issue of the journal's
print edition. "My paper introduces a new mathematical model that we can use
to derive new details about the properties of a quantum state as it travels
through the Big Bounce, which replaces the classical idea of a Big Bang as
the beginning of our universe," said Martin Bojowald, assistant professor of
physics at Penn State. Bojowald's research also suggests that, although it
is possible to learn about many properties of the earlier universe, we
always will be uncertain about some of these properties because his
calculations reveal a "cosmic forgetfulness" that results from the extreme
quantum forces during the Big Bounce.
The stars, planets and nature are not proof or even evidence of your or any
other gods. Get an education.
Bill M
Yes, the total lack of objective verifiable evidence that he exists!
That is the same reason we do not believe that Santa, The Tooth fairy and
the Wizard of Oz
do not exist except in peoples imaginations.
Bill M
"MarkA" <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2008.07.06....@nowhere.com...
> On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 07:02:51 -0500, duke wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 04:12:02 -0700 (PDT), HVAC <MR....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Faith.... FAITH?
>>
>>>Faith is a fucking joke. It's a cloak for the gullible and the stupid
>>>to hide behind because they *have no proof*.
>>
>> It's definitely a joke when one professes the fable that God is a myth.
>> There
>> is no support what-so-ever for such a wild idea. All evidence to be
>> found
>> supports the existence of God.
>>
>> So if you think you have proof that there is no God, let's see it.
>>
>> duke, American-American
>> *****
>> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
>> Pope Paul VI
>> *****
>
> You propose the existence of a magical super-being who can fart a Universe
> out of his asshole, has existed forever, has no beginning or end, cares
> about our day-to-day affairs, then you label skepticism about this
> supposed being as a 'wild idea'? You are really a piece of work, duke!
>
> --
> MarkA
> (This space temporarily unavailable)
Duke is obviouslly a moronic mental case.
Bill M
> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 23:16:55 +0100, "Sla#s" <ph...@KNOTslatts.net> wrote:
>
>>duke wrote:
>>> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 04:12:02 -0700 (PDT), HVAC <MR....@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Faith.... FAITH?
>>>
>>>> Faith is a fucking joke. It's a cloak for the gullible and the stupid
>>>> to hide behind because they *have no proof*.
>>>
>>> It's definitely a joke when one professes the fable that God is a
>>> myth. There is no support what-so-ever for such a wild idea. All
>>> evidence to be found supports the existence of God.
>>>
>>> So if you think you have proof that there is no God, let's see it.
>>
>>When will you people understand that it is impossible to prove a negative?
>
> All my evidence supports the positive.
>
>>How on earth can you disprove that something isn't there, because there is
>>nothing there to disprove!
>>That's the whole point - I say again - "there is nothing there to
>>disprove".
>>
>>Time after time you people say something like: "All evidence to be found
>>supports the existence of God." Yet in all the time I have been viewing
>>this
>>group not one single piece of this claimed evidence has been forthcoming.
>>NOT ONE SINGLE PIECE!
>
> Catch the big bang.
What Happened Before The Big Bang?
Science Daily - New discoveries have been made about another universe whose
collapse appears to have given birth to the one we live in today. They will
be announced in the early on-line edition of the journal Nature Physics on 1
July 2007 and will be published in the August 2007 issue of the journal's
print edition. "My paper introduces a new mathematical model that we can use
to derive new details about the properties of a quantum state as it travels
through the Big Bounce, which replaces the classical idea of a Big Bang as
the beginning of our universe," said Martin Bojowald, assistant professor of
physics at Penn State. Bojowald's research also suggests that, although it
is possible to learn about many properties of the earlier universe, we
always will be uncertain about some of these properties because his
calculations reveal a "cosmic forgetfulness" that results from the extreme
quantum forces during the Big Bounce.
>
Bill M
>> "duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:a2627456s62q9e691...@4ax.com...
>>>> All evidence to be found? Where? In your fairy tale book? Or is it in
>>>> the minds of those old men who wear robes and live in a city-state in
>>>> Italy?
>>> Big bang. Creation of all the stars and the earth, mankind and all
>>> animals and
>>> plants, and to especially all the laws of nature.
>>>
>>> Take your pick - either God did it, or it's all one big giant accident.
>>
>> I vote 'accident'.
>
> And every accident is an effect, which must have a cause.
But there is no objective verifiable evidence that ANY god was the cause!
Stephen Thomas
> "Stephen Thomas" <sth...@woodwild.net> wrote in message
> news:ZsGdnWdLa897ruzV...@giganews.com...
>> HVAC wrote:
>>> "duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>> news:a2627456s62q9e691...@4ax.com...
>>>>> All evidence to be found? Where? In your fairy tale book? Or is it in
>>>>> the minds of those old men who wear robes and live in a city-state in
>>>>> Italy?
>>>> Big bang. Creation of all the stars and the earth, mankind and all
>>>> animals and
>>>> plants, and to especially all the laws of nature.
>>>>
>>>> Take your pick - either God did it, or it's all one big giant accident.
>>> I vote 'accident'.
>> And every accident is an effect, which must have a cause.
>
> But there is no objective verifiable evidence that ANY god was the cause!
Are you arbitrarily choosing not to think rationally about this subject?
I say, "No. You are predestined to not think rationally about the origin
of the universe, and everything within it."
Mike Painter
>
> Duke is obviouslly a moronic mental case.
Yes. I suspect Earl (his real name) has found out that the only way he gets
attention is to say stupid things over and over to anybody that listens.
This is a man who claims to be an engineer and lacks a basic knowledge of
science. He has said he goes home every day for lunch and likes to go to the
catholic mass for children so he can watch them.
Being ridiculed seems to be the only attention he gets.
Mike Painter
> "Stephen Thomas" <sth...@woodwild.net> wrote in message
> news:ZsGdnWdLa897ruzV...@giganews.com...
>> HVAC wrote:
>>> "duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>> news:a2627456s62q9e691...@4ax.com...
>>>>> All evidence to be found? Where? In your fairy tale book? Or is
>>>>> it in the minds of those old men who wear robes and live in a
>>>>> city-state in Italy?
>>>> Big bang. Creation of all the stars and the earth, mankind and all
>>>> animals and
>>>> plants, and to especially all the laws of nature.
>>>>
>>>> Take your pick - either God did it, or it's all one big giant
>>>> accident.
>>>
>>> I vote 'accident'.
>>
>> And every accident is an effect, which must have a cause.
>
> But there is no objective verifiable evidence that ANY god was the
> cause!
Those fundy's who parrot the first cause argument don't seem to be aware
that at the point where Aquinas says "This we call God" there is no
difference between "God" and "Big Bang". Aquinas goes on, and on, and on to
defend his arbitrary choice and make it the god he wanted it to be.
Free Lunch
<mddotp...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in alt.atheism:
Which, of course, is a god that is at odds with traditional orthodox
Christianity.
If you redefine "god" to mean nature, then your new, heterodox god can
be said to exist.
Hagar
> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 07:42:26 -0700, "Hagar" <hs...@surewest.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 04:12:02 -0700 (PDT), HVAC <MR....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Faith.... FAITH?
>>>
>>>>Faith is a fucking joke. It's a cloak for the gullible and the stupid
>>>>to hide behind because they *have no proof*.
>>>
>>> It's definitely a joke when one professes the fable that God is a myth.
>>> There
>>> is no support what-so-ever for such a wild idea. All evidence to be
>>> found
>>> supports the existence of God.
>>>
>>> So if you think you have proof that there is no God, let's see it.
OK, let me see yours first. To clarify my point: All newborns have no
concept of any god. Whichever god they believe in, has been brainwashed
into them. That's why 99.9% of all people born in a religious region will
adopt that faith. Not because it is evident, but they fall under the
influence of the deluded masses.
You prove to me that there is a Gawd, and I'll believe. You can't do it.
PS. Your idiotic Babble doesn't count.
www.freedomtofascism.com
pulling the contents to read -- primarily because you have nothing to say
worth reading.
Smiler
>>>> All evidence to be found? Where? In your fairy tale book? Or is it in
>>>> the minds of those old men who wear robes and live in a city-state in
>>>> Italy?
>>> Big bang. Creation of all the stars and the earth, mankind and all
>>> animals and
>>> plants, and to especially all the laws of nature.
>>>
>>> Take your pick - either God did it, or it's all one big giant accident.
>>
>> I vote 'accident'.
>
> And every accident is an effect, which must have a cause.
>
> exists", rather than "nothing exists".
Exactly, so what 'caused' your god to exist?
>
> But, the bottom line is that if you do not believe in the existence of
> God, or rather, if you choose to ignore the existence of God (because
> everyone believes deep down inside that there is a Supreme Being),
Nope.
I have never believed, nor will I ever believe, in the existence of any
god/supreme being.
Please do not attempt to claim your delusions are in my mind. Unlike you,
I'm quite sane.
> then
> that is because God has ordained and decreed that you are predestined
> for eternal destruction.
Your extra-biblical objective evidence for the existence of this god
character is?
I know you've got NONE, so you'll roll out the usual excuses why or just run
away.
>Read the ninth chapter of Paul's epistle to the
> Romans the next time you're in a public library.
As much use as reading Harry Potter books to determine if witchcraft and
wizardry exist.
Both are fiction.
>
> Summary: Faith
= belief in fairy stories.
> to trust in God
= non-existent, unprovable, improbable, impossible sky fairy.
> for salvation is itself a gift from God.
> Not everyone has it. But those that do have it have been chosen by God
> for salvation.
Incoherent babble.
>Read the first chapter of Paul's epistle to the Ephesians
> while you're at the library.
No thanks. I haven't the time or inclination to read that bullshit.
>
> Regards,
>
Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
Smiler
"Sla#s" <ph...@KNOTslatts.net> wrote in message
news:g4rill$k8p$1...@localhost.localdomain...
You'll get something along the lines of "Underwear is evidence for
mountains." if Puke's past record is anything to go by.
Stephen Thomas
> "Stephen Thomas" <sth...@woodwild.net> wrote in message
> news:ZsGdnWdLa897ruzV...@giganews.com...
>> HVAC wrote:
>>> "duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>> news:a2627456s62q9e691...@4ax.com...
>>>>> All evidence to be found? Where? In your fairy tale book? Or is it in
>>>>> the minds of those old men who wear robes and live in a city-state in
>>>>> Italy?
>>>> Big bang. Creation of all the stars and the earth, mankind and all
>>>> animals and
>>>> plants, and to especially all the laws of nature.
>>>>
>>>> Take your pick - either God did it, or it's all one big giant accident.
>>> I vote 'accident'.
>> And every accident is an effect, which must have a cause.
>>
>> Summary: There *must* be a First Cause to explain why "something
>> exists", rather than "nothing exists".
>
> Exactly, so what 'caused' your god to exist?
God has no cause for his existence. He is self-existent.
Every effect must have a cause. God is not an effect.
>> But, the bottom line is that if you do not believe in the existence of
>> God, or rather, if you choose to ignore the existence of God (because
>> everyone believes deep down inside that there is a Supreme Being),
>
> Nope.
> I have never believed, nor will I ever believe, in the existence of any
> god/supreme being.
> Please do not attempt to claim your delusions are in my mind. Unlike you,
> I'm quite sane.
I do, and I am claiming that if you are a human being, then there is a
part of you that believes in the existence of an eternal, self-existent,
rational, Being that is the First Cause of all that now exists.
You may not, and I'm quite sure you don't, like to think about it, and
you've become very successful in hiding from Him, much like Adam and Eve
tried doing after they realized they were naked. But somewhere deep
inside your soul you believe He exists. I know that to be true because
He created each one of us that way. But, of course, I'm not expecting
you to believe any of that. Which naturally leads to the next section.
>> then that is because God has ordained and decreed that you are predestined
>> for eternal destruction.
>
> Your extra-biblical objective evidence for the existence of this god
> character is?
> I know you've got NONE, so you'll roll out the usual excuses why or just run
> away.
Now, see, that's where you're wrong. I admit there is *NO* objective
evidence for the existence of God.
Just as there is *NO* objective evidence that He does not exist.
But what you're not getting is that's the way He wants it. That's all
part of His plan. I can assure you he could provide you with all the
objective evidence of His existence that you could possibly stand. But
in His infinite wisdom He's chosen not to.
He will make Himself known to you as objectively real sometime in the
future. I know you don't believe that either. It's OK.
I'm not trying to get you to believe it. I know that to be an
impossibility. I know that it is impossible for even you yourself to
change your mind and believe it. You have no control over what you now
believe. You did not arbitrarily choose to be an atheist. God made that
choice. You are just obeying whatever He has decreed for you to be.
This is all very hard stuff, if you've never experienced it before.
One day in the future you'll understand what is now hidden from you.
>> Read the ninth chapter of Paul's epistle to the
>> Romans the next time you're in a public library.
>
> As much use as reading Harry Potter books to determine if witchcraft and
> wizardry exist.
> Both are fiction.
You did not arbitrarily choose to believe that.
>> Summary: Faith
>
> = belief in fairy stories.
>
>> to trust in God
>
> = non-existent, unprovable, improbable, impossible sky fairy.
>
>> for salvation is itself a gift from God.
>> Not everyone has it. But those that do have it have been chosen by God
>> for salvation.
>
> Incoherent babble.
Nor did you arbitrarily choose to believe that.
>> Read the first chapter of Paul's epistle to the Ephesians
>> while you're at the library.
>
> No thanks. I haven't the time or inclination to read that bullshit.
Of course you don't. But do you know why you don't?
I know how you will answer that, so let me go ahead and tell you
you're wrong.
Regards,
John Locke
>On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 10:53:58 -0700, John Locke <johnloc...@comcast.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 07:02:51 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 04:12:02 -0700 (PDT), HVAC <MR....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Faith.... FAITH?
>>>
>>>>Faith is a fucking joke. It's a cloak for the gullible and the stupid
>>>>to hide behind because they *have no proof*.
>>>
>>>It's definitely a joke when one professes the fable that God is a myth. There
>>>is no support what-so-ever for such a wild idea. All evidence to be found
>>>supports the existence of God.
>>>
>>>So if you think you have proof that there is no God, let's see it.
>>>
>>Actually, you've made the claim that "God" exists so it is up to you
>>to provide proof. I can't provide "Proof" of the non-existence of
>>"God" but I sure as hell can provide evidence for his total
>>absence and indifference to the plight of humanity:
>
>>http://home.comcast.net/~llucke/Pictures/14682803-S.jpg
>>...just for starters.
>
>Nope - that just shows man's inhumanity to man. Do you have anything, any
>evidence, that even suggests that God doesn't exist?
>
Rubbish..according to you, man is "God's" creation. With that act
comes a certain amount of obligation to provide for the welfare of
humanity.
Any god that would sit on his ass while the Nazis dumped live children
into gas fired pits is a real creep. (No, they weren't all gassed
becuase of s shotage of Zyklon B). If that's the "loving God" you're
following, you're in a world of hurt.
"There is not enough love and kindness in the world
to give any of it away to imaginary beings." - Friederich Nietzsche
Mike Painter
And I repeat. At teh time Aquinas says there can't be an uncaused cause (an
arbitrary decision) all he has done is define something he calls god. It has
no other properties and is just a name.
He went on to define this name as he wanted to.
Syd M.
> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 12:48:43 +0000 (UTC), gaze...@xmission.xmission.com (Kenny
>
>
>
> McCormack) wrote:
> >In article <ovc1741igm2pp9eam5jgei0n2f2uhsn...@4ax.com>,
> >duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 04:12:02 -0700 (PDT), HVAC <MR.H...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>Faith.... FAITH?
>
> >>>Faith is a fucking joke. It's a cloak for the gullible and the stupid
> >>>to hide behind because they *have no proof*.
>
> >>It's definitely a joke when one professes the fable that God is a myth. There
> >>is no support what-so-ever for such a wild idea. All evidence to be found
> >>supports the existence of God.
>
> >>So if you think you have proof that there is no God, let's see it.
>
> >And, you might also want to check in on "burden of proof".
>
> Ok, you guys said there is no God, so let's see your proof.
>
Zero for zero, truthwise.
PDW
Syd M.
> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 19:19:16 +0000 (UTC), gaze...@xmission.xmission.com (Kenny
>
>
>
> McCormack) wrote:
> >In article <9852749pdblrbs6a8oepdj22sic13gq...@4ax.com>,
> >duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 12:48:43 +0000 (UTC), gaze...@xmission.xmission.com (Kenny
> >>McCormack) wrote:
>
> >>>In article <ovc1741igm2pp9eam5jgei0n2f2uhsn...@4ax.com>,
> >>>duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>>>On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 04:12:02 -0700 (PDT), HVAC <MR.H...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>Faith.... FAITH?
>
> >>>>>Faith is a fucking joke. It's a cloak for the gullible and the stupid
> >>>>>to hide behind because they *have no proof*.
>
> >>>>It's definitely a joke when one professes the fable that God is a myth. There
> >>>>is no support what-so-ever for such a wild idea. All evidence to be found
> >>>>supports the existence of God.
>
> >>>>So if you think you have proof that there is no God, let's see it.
>
> >>>You need to look up the definition of the word "proof".
> >>>And, you might also want to check in on "burden of proof".
>
> >>Ok, you guys said there is no God, so let's see your proof.
>
>
> You view is a null hypothesis.
>
> Gotcha.
>
You got nothing, Dork.
PDW
Syd M.
> >On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 07:02:51 -0500, duke wrote:
>
> >> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 04:12:02 -0700 (PDT), HVAC <MR.H...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>Faith.... FAITH?
>
> >>>Faith is a fucking joke. It's a cloak for the gullible and the stupid
> >>>to hide behind because they *have no proof*.
>
> >> It's definitely a joke when one professes the fable that God is a myth. There
> >> is no support what-so-ever for such a wild idea. All evidence to be found
> >> supports the existence of God.
>
> >> So if you think you have proof that there is no God, let's see it.
>
> >> *****
> >> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> >> Pope Paul VI
> >> *****
>
> >out of his asshole, has existed forever, has no beginning or end, cares
> >about our day-to-day affairs, then you label skepticism about this
> >supposed being as a 'wild idea'? You are really a piece of work, duke!
>
>
That was not a compliment, Dork.
PDW
Syd M.
> "MarkA" <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>
> news:pan.2008.07.06....@nowhere.com...
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 07:02:51 -0500, duke wrote:
>
>
> >>>Faith.... FAITH?
>
> >>>Faith is a fucking joke. It's a cloak for the gullible and the stupid
> >>>to hide behind because they *have no proof*.
>
> >> It's definitely a joke when one professes the fable that God is a myth.
> >> There
> >> is no support what-so-ever for such a wild idea. All evidence to be
> >> found
> >> supports the existence of God.
>
> >> So if you think you have proof that there is no God, let's see it.
>
> >> duke, American-American
> >> *****
> >> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> >> Pope Paul VI
> >> *****
>
> > You propose the existence of a magical super-being who can fart a Universe
> > out of his asshole, has existed forever, has no beginning or end, cares
> > about our day-to-day affairs, then you label skepticism about this
> > supposed being as a 'wild idea'? You are really a piece of work, duke!
>
> > --
> > MarkA
> > (This space temporarily unavailable)
>
> Duke is obviouslly a moronic mental case.
That has been obvious for years...
PDW
*_//J _//B*
news:QKcck.15654$CC....@bignews9.bellsouth.net...
Likewise, Bill!
'No proof of Existence is no proof of Non-existence.'
"*I* will prove to be that/what *I* will prove to be."
HVAC
>
> I do, and I am claiming that if you are a human being, then there is a
> part of you that believes in the existence of an eternal, self-existent,
> rational, Being that is the First Cause of all that now exists.
Which begs the question of what cause that "Being" to come into
existence? To say that it is eternal just means that you don't know.
I say why bother with the middle-man?
Just skip the 'god' part and say we don't know why the universe 'is'.
> You may not, and I'm quite sure you don't, like to think about it, and
> you've become very successful in hiding from Him, much like Adam and Eve
> tried doing after they realized they were naked.
Adam and Eve? You're shitting me, right?
> But somewhere deep
> inside your soul you believe He exists. I know that to be true because
> He created each one of us that way.
Who told you that? Who gave you the inside track? The voices in your
head?
Please explain PRECISELY where you came by this knowledge... I'll
wait.
OK. I've waited long enough. You just made it up out of thin air.
That makes you a liar.
> I admit there is *NO* objective evidence for the existence of God.
Fine then. We are in agreement.
> Just as there is *NO* objective evidence that He does not exist.
See: Tinkerbelle theory.
> But what you're not getting is that's the way He wants it. That's all
> part of His plan.
Why? What capricious nonsense is this? If that is 'god's' plan then
I vote for him as "biggest douchebag in the universe", even surpassing
John Edwards.
> I can assure you he could provide you with all the
> objective evidence of His existence that you could possibly stand. But
> in His infinite wisdom He's chosen not to.
See above.
> He will make Himself known to you as objectively real sometime in the
> future.
Ah, the fucking future! Every time someone mentions my "future" I
put one hand on my wallet and one on my asshole.
> I know you don't believe that either. It's OK.
> I'm not trying to get you to believe it. I know that to be an
> impossibility. I know that it is impossible for even you yourself to
> change your mind and believe it. You have no control over what you now
> believe. You did not arbitrarily choose to be an atheist. God made that
> choice. You are just obeying whatever He has decreed for you to be.
Alright then, how about you shut the fuck up?
www.freedomtofascism.com
wrote:
I suggest we have a government inquiry to determine if god exists or not.
MarkA
That is entirely dependent on what you perceive to be an admirable
quality. As duke is a little different on what he thinks is a 'wild
idea', I am not surprised that he may also be a little different on what
he thinks is a compliment. If God does exist, She certainly made some
interesting creatures: the duck-billed platypus, people like duke, etc.
come to mind.
--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock
Free Lunch
<mddotp...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in alt.atheism:
But then also apparently managed to make the definition inconsistent
with prior requirements. As I understand it, deism is inconsistent with
traditional doctrines about the God of Abraham.
duke
>>>The dumb idiot Duke is again engaged in posting his nonsense.
>>>"All evidence to be found supports the existence of God."
>>>Where is the objective verifable evidence??? Your 'opinion' is worthless.
>>
>> YOUR opinion is worthless.
>>
>>>> So if you think you have proof that there is no God, let's see it.
>>>Take a course in logic. No one can proof of nonexistence. Nonexistence
>>>is the proof!
>>
>> Yet ALL evidence supports the existence of God.
>You keep making this false claim with NO evidence to support it.
It's not false.
>Believing in myths and fables is NOT OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE
>which you can' supply!
You just ignore it.
duke
>
>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:9852749pdblrbs6a8...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 12:48:43 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@xmission.xmission.com
>> (Kenny
>> McCormack) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <ovc1741igm2pp9eam...@4ax.com>,
>>>duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 04:12:02 -0700 (PDT), HVAC <MR....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Faith.... FAITH?
>>>>
>>>>>Faith is a fucking joke. It's a cloak for the gullible and the stupid
>>>>>to hide behind because they *have no proof*.
>>>>
>>>>It's definitely a joke when one professes the fable that God is a myth.
>>>>There
>>>>is no support what-so-ever for such a wild idea. All evidence to be
>>>>found
>>>>supports the existence of God.
>>>>
>>>>So if you think you have proof that there is no God, let's see it.
>>>
>>>You need to look up the definition of the word "proof".
>>>And, you might also want to check in on "burden of proof".
>>
>> Ok, you guys said there is no God, so let's see your proof.
>
>The proof it does not exist is the total lack of objective verifiable
>evidence for its existence.
>
>Get an education, Duke!
A&E and billM all lost because of their blindness.
duke
>> Now this man became known 2000 years ago to the point today that there are
>> 2.2 billion believers alive and well today.
>> There's your onus.
>There are close to a thousands different god beliefs.
But only one (G)od.
>There is no objective verifiable evidence that ANY of them are real.
Wrong - those 1000 (g)ods are all around you - booze, gambling, sex, violence,
anything that destroys your life in God.
>IF there was a REAL GOD, why would he permit his creations to be so misled
>by all
>these many false gods? How do you KNOW your god is real?
Always the same answer - your choice of (G)od rather than (g)ods.
>Get an education!
My education is the main reason why I believe in almighty (G)od. There is no
objective, deniable, definable reason to profess there is no (G)od.
duke
>>>> So if you think you have proof that there is no God, let's see it.
>OK, let me see yours first. To clarify my point: All newborns have no
>concept of any god. Whichever god they believe in, has been brainwashed
>into them.
Then they grow up.
> That's why 99.9% of all people born in a religious region will
>adopt that faith. Not because it is evident, but they fall under the
>influence of the deluded masses.
The mass conversions are to Christianity.
>You prove to me that there is a Gawd, and I'll believe. You can't do it.
>PS. Your idiotic Babble doesn't count.
You can't tell me what my evidence can be. You have no idea what the bible is.
And I cannot prove the existence of God, and you can't prove the nonexistence of
God. But all evidence, every tiny bit of it, supports the existence of God.
There is nothing for you to use to support your own beliefs.
Kenny McCormack
puke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
...
>My education is the main reason why I believe in almighty (G)od. There is no
>objective, deniable, definable reason to profess there is no (G)od.
Is there any "objective, deniable, definable reason" to profess that
there are no 3 headed purple giraffes?
Thought not. Therefore, you must believe in them, no?
duke
>On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:10:21 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>>All evidence to be found? Where? In your fairy tale book? Or is it in
>>>the minds of those old men who wear robes and live in a city-state in
>>>Italy?
>>
>>Big bang. Creation of all the stars and the earth, mankind and all animals and
>>plants, and to especially all the laws of nature.
>>
>>Take your pick - either God did it, or it's all one big giant accident.
>
>OK, it was an accident. (You're too easy)
Suit yourself.
duke
wrote:
>>Nope - that just shows man's inhumanity to man. Do you have anything, any
>>evidence, that even suggests that God doesn't exist?
>Rubbish..according to you, man is "God's" creation. With that act
>comes a certain amount of obligation to provide for the welfare of
>humanity.
He did. Man said to forget it and man will decide right from wrong.
>Any god that would sit on his ass while the Nazis dumped live children
>into gas fired pits is a real creep. (No, they weren't all gassed
>becuase of s shotage of Zyklon B). If that's the "loving God" you're
>following, you're in a world of hurt.
All men are slated to live once and then die and be judged. God didn't kill the
children, men did.
duke
>duke wrote:
><SNIP>>
>> All my evidence supports the positive.
>
>What evidence?
>
>We're waiting .................
Presented many times over the last 10 years.
*_//J _//B*
"www.freedomtofascism.com" <tr...@r.us> wrote in message
news:qft3749a2ouf9o184...@4ax.com...
Are you Mad? They are bound to make a mess of it.
"*I* will prove to be that/what *I* will prove to be..."
Alex W.
> Smiler wrote:
>> "Stephen Thomas" <sth...@woodwild.net> wrote in message
>> news:ZsGdnWdLa897ruzV...@giganews.com...
>>> HVAC wrote:
>>>> "duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:a2627456s62q9e691...@4ax.com...
>>>>>> All evidence to be found? Where? In your fairy tale book? Or is it in
>>>>>> the minds of those old men who wear robes and live in a city-state in
>>>>>> Italy?
>>>>> Big bang. Creation of all the stars and the earth, mankind and all
>>>>> animals and
>>>>> plants, and to especially all the laws of nature.
>>>>>
>>>>> Take your pick - either God did it, or it's all one big giant
>>>>> accident.
>>>> I vote 'accident'.
>>> And every accident is an effect, which must have a cause.
>>>
>>> Summary: There *must* be a First Cause to explain why "something
>>> exists", rather than "nothing exists".
>>
>> Exactly, so what 'caused' your god to exist?
>
> God has no cause for his existence. He is self-existent.
> Every effect must have a cause. God is not an effect.
If you assume a first cause, then everything that exists must have been
caused to exist.
Everything.
And that includes a deity.
If, on the other hand, you claim that there are exceptions to the rule, then
there is nothing to bar the idea of spontaneous accidental Big Bang
self-creation.
You cannot have it both ways.
Hagar
Well, all I can say is: Good Luck in the after life.
Don't be surprised when the lights don't come back on again for your
phase two in heaven. Oops, you won't be surprised, because you'll be dead.
HVAC
"Hagar" <ha...@sahm.name> wrote in message news:G_SdneJVQ4-
SgO_VnZ2dn...@giganews.com...
>
> Well, all I can say is: Good Luck in the after life.
> Don't be surprised when the lights don't come back on again for your
> phase two in heaven. Oops, you won't be surprised, because you'll be dead.
You know, Hagar, I have a friend that believes
in god. In an abnormal way. He 'believes' sort
of like trying to scam god. It's like hey, if I say I
believe and god's NOT real... Well, no harm no foul.
If he says he believes and it IS real, then he gets to cloud #9.
It's a win-win for him ;-)
Stephen Thomas
No, not "everything that exists" must have a cause.
Every *effect* must have a *cause*
God *IS* the First Cause. He's not an effect.
Come on, it's really not that difficult a concept to grasp.
If you took a drug test right now, would you pass it?
[snip the rest of this irrational nonsense]
Kate
Duke doesn't do logic. It's against his religion.
Stephen Thomas
Your friend *thinks* he's scamming God, but God cannot be scammed.
God knew your friend would try scamming Him before your friend was ever
born.
And if your friend would think that he actually could scam God, then
that shows that he has not been regenerated / saved, and is not one
of God's children.
So it's really a lose-lose situation for your friend.
DuhIdiot
news:8bf31be9-2b38-48fe...@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com:
...always assuming God doesn't regard covering one's ass via lip service to
faith as the worst of all sins.
--
No SPAM in my email.
HVAC
"Kate " <cob...@newscene.com> wrote in message news:
487522f9....@news-west.newscene.com...
>
> Duke doesn't do logic. It's against his religion.
Duke is gay and supports pedophilia inclined priests.
Prove that he's not.
HVAC
>>
>> It's a win-win for him ;-)
>
> God knew your friend would try scamming Him before your friend was ever
> born.
>
> And if your friend would think that he actually could scam God, then
> that shows that he has not been regenerated / saved, and is not one
> of God's children.
Fuck god and fuck you too.
How do you like me now, biatch?
Harlow V. A. Campbell
news:Xns9AD469A405154jm...@208.49.80.253...
>>
>> It's a win-win for him ;-)
>
> faith as the worst of all sins.
One thing that consistently defines a believer and that is
a serious lack of any humor.
Oh, and the fact that most of them are reformed
drug users/abusers.
Oh, and the fact that they are all gay.
Prove that they're not.
Stephen Thomas
> "Stephen Thomas" <sth...@woodwild.net> wrote in message
> news:N6mdnWeIhNFGue_V...@giganews.com...
>>> It's a win-win for him ;-)
>> Your friend *thinks* he's scamming God, but God cannot be scammed.
>> God knew your friend would try scamming Him before your friend was ever
>> born.
>> And if your friend would think that he actually could scam God, then
>> that shows that he has not been regenerated / saved, and is not one
>> of God's children.
>> So it's really a lose-lose situation for your friend.
> Fuck god and fuck you too.
I think you may have taken things a little too personally.
> How do you like me now, biatch?
I don't have a thing against you. It's your "friend" that's not very
theologically rational.
DuhIdiot
news:06024e93-7290-4044...@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
Just in case you're driving up the exit ramp here, I'm atheist as all get
out.
If I missed a joke, it's from having ole Blaise's carcass dragged through
a.a a few hundred too many times. No big whoop.
duke
McCormack) wrote:
3-headed purple giraffes didn't create the universe and all in it. There's no
evidence. All evidence says God did it.
duke
Actually, logic is the main reason behind my belief in God. It's the only
scenario that makes logical sense.
duke
>
>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:hf247498reb6hda5h...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 18:11:49 -0700, "Hagar" <hs...@surewest.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> So if you think you have proof that there is no God, let's see it.
>>
>>>OK, let me see yours first. To clarify my point: All newborns have no
>>>concept of any god. Whichever god they believe in, has been brainwashed
>>>into them.
>>
>> Then they grow up.
>>
>>> That's why 99.9% of all people born in a religious region will
>>>adopt that faith. Not because it is evident, but they fall under the
>>>influence of the deluded masses.
>>
>> The mass conversions are to Christianity.
>>
>>>You prove to me that there is a Gawd, and I'll believe. You can't do it.
>>>PS. Your idiotic Babble doesn't count.
>>
>> You can't tell me what my evidence can be. You have no idea what the
>> bible is.
>>
>> And I cannot prove the existence of God, and you can't prove the
>> nonexistence of
>> God. But all evidence, every tiny bit of it, supports the existence of
>> God.
>> There is nothing for you to use to support your own beliefs.
>
>Well, all I can say is: Good Luck in the after life.
I've got all the luck I need - Almighty God on my side.
>Don't be surprised when the lights don't come back on again for your
>phase two in heaven. Oops, you won't be surprised, because you'll be dead.
The only thing that dies is the physical body, not the soul.
Harlow V. A. Campbell
>
>> How do you like me now, biatch?
>
> I don't have a thing against you. It's your "friend" that's not very
> theologically rational.
I'll be sure to let him know that.
Actually, I just told him.
What he said was, "Boo-fucking-hoo".
Harlow V. A. Campbell
and she replies, "Bring me a beer."
The bartender then asks, "Anheuser-Busch?" To which she replies, "Fine
thanks, and how's your penis?"
Mark K. Bilbo
> In article <s617k5-...@75-104-202-207.cust.wildblue.net>,
> Mark K. Bilbo <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
> ...
>>> You need to look up the definition of the word "proof".
>>> And, you might also want to check in on "burden of proof".
>
> Is English your first language?
>
>> You're trying to be funny huh?
>
> Huh? I was slagging Mr. Duke.
>
Me too.
(Maybe try rereading my post? <G>)
Mark K. Bilbo
> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 12:48:43 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@xmission.xmission.com (Kenny
> McCormack) wrote:
>
>> In article <ovc1741igm2pp9eam...@4ax.com>,
>> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 04:12:02 -0700 (PDT), HVAC <MR....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Faith.... FAITH?
>>>> Faith is a fucking joke. It's a cloak for the gullible and the stupid
>>>> to hide behind because they *have no proof*.
>>> It's definitely a joke when one professes the fable that God is a myth. There
>>> is no support what-so-ever for such a wild idea. All evidence to be found
>>>
>> And, you might also want to check in on "burden of proof".
>
As usual, you lie. Atheism is lacking belief. As you have no evidence
your "god" exists, we are under no obligation to believe your claim.
Mark K. Bilbo
> "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:QKcck.15654$CC....@bignews9.bellsouth.net...
>>> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 12:48:43 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@xmission.xmission.com
>>> (Kenny
>>> McCormack) wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <ovc1741igm2pp9eam...@4ax.com>,
>>>> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 04:12:02 -0700 (PDT), HVAC <MR....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Faith.... FAITH?
>>>>>> Faith is a fucking joke. It's a cloak for the gullible and the stupid
>>>>>> to hide behind because they *have no proof*.
>>>>> It's definitely a joke when one professes the fable that God is a myth.
>>>>> There
>>>>> is no support what-so-ever for such a wild idea. All evidence to be
>>>>> found
>>>>> supports the existence of God.
>>>>>
>>>>> So if you think you have proof that there is no God, let's see it.
>>>> You need to look up the definition of the word "proof".
>>>> And, you might also want to check in on "burden of proof".
>>> Ok, you guys said there is no God, so let's see your proof.
>> evidence for its existence.
>>
>> Get an education, Duke!
>
> Likewise, Bill!
>
> 'No proof of Existence is no proof of Non-existence.'
Lack of evidence may not be evidence of lack but it sure as hell isn't
evidence of existence.
(Duh)
Mark K. Bilbo
> On Jul 7, 12:48 am, gaze...@xmission.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack)
> wrote:
>
>> You need to look up the definition of the word "proof".
>> And, you might also want to check in on "burden of proof".
>
> Empirical evidence methods are in the suitcase "Not wanted on voyage"
It's worse. It's willfully stupid and proud of it...
Mark K. Bilbo
> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 07:42:26 -0700, "Hagar" <hs...@surewest.net> wrote:
>
>> "duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 04:12:02 -0700 (PDT), HVAC <MR....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Faith.... FAITH?
>>>> Faith is a fucking joke. It's a cloak for the gullible and the stupid
>>>> to hide behind because they *have no proof*.
>>> It's definitely a joke when one professes the fable that God is a myth.
>>> There
>>> is no support what-so-ever for such a wild idea. All evidence to be found
>>> supports the existence of God.
>>>
>>> So if you think you have proof that there is no God, let's see it.
>
>
> Yet I am.
>
>> It seems to me the onus of proof is upon you.
>
> It seems you're wrong. 2000 years ago, a real man appeared, died on a cross, 3
> days later walked the earth again, and then ascended to the Father.
>
> Now this man became known 2000 years ago to the point today that there are 2.2
> billion believers alive and well today.
>
> There's your onus.
Nope. You have no evidence any such person existed outside of your
religious mythology.
Mark K. Bilbo
I suspect with Duckshit it's congenital and the Christinanity is
incidental...
Mark K. Bilbo
> On 7 Jul 2008 09:12:02 -0500, cob...@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:23:18 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@xmission.xmission.com
>> (Kenny McCormack) wrote:
>>
>>> In article <432474pvqfh0iho4k...@4ax.com>,
>>> puke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> ...
>>>> My education is the main reason why I believe in almighty (G)od. There is no
>>>> objective, deniable, definable reason to profess there is no (G)od.
>>> Is there any "objective, deniable, definable reason" to profess that
>>> there are no 3 headed purple giraffes?
>>>
>>> Thought not. Therefore, you must believe in them, no?
>> Duke doesn't do logic. It's against his religion.
>
> Actually, logic is the main reason behind my belief in God.
Duckshit made a funny!
Kenny McCormack
Mark K. Bilbo <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
>Kenny McCormack wrote:
>> In article <s617k5-...@75-104-202-207.cust.wildblue.net>,
>> Mark K. Bilbo <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
>> ...
>>>> You need to look up the definition of the word "proof".
>>>> And, you might also want to check in on "burden of proof".
>>> Duckshit? Words?
>>
>> Is English your first language?
>>
>>> You're trying to be funny huh?
>>
>> Huh? I was slagging Mr. Duke.
>>
>
>Me too.
>
>(Maybe try rereading my post? <G>)
OK - point taken.
Kenny McCormack
Mark K. Bilbo <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
The symptom, not the disease...
buck2thrice
>
> You did not arbitrarily choose to be an atheist. God made that
> choice. You are just obeying whatever He has decreed for you to be.
So much for that 'free-will' god gave us eh? You've just blown that
falacy right out of the water!
So god made some "chosen" people believers and will reward them in the
afterlife, but made others atheists and will punish them in the
afterlife?? Is this guy fair or what?!! :)
Did he have a reason to make me an atheist? Did I do something wrong
or is it arbitrary?
Man - it still amazes me how (seemingly) grown people can believe
such absolute, in NO WAY logical, BS!! It doesn't even come close to
making sense... it's not even in the same country as making_sense.
> This is all very hard stuff, if you've never experienced it before.
> One day in the future you'll understand what is now hidden from you.
I've got the popcorn popped and I'm waiting for the show!! :)
DuhIdiot
@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
So now in addition to BAAWA and SMASH we have NWA: N****z With Atheism. :-)
*_//J _//B*
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:9lt9k5-...@75-104-203-5.cust.wildblue.net...
Has anybody claimed it was evidence of existence? No!
(DUH)
*_//J _//B*
"HVAC" <MR....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8bf31be9-2b38-48fe...@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>> phase two in heaven. Oops, you won't be surprised, because you'll be
>> dead.
>
> in god. In an abnormal way. He 'believes' sort
> of like trying to scam god. It's like hey, if I say I
> believe and god's NOT real... Well, no harm no foul.
> If he says he believes and it IS real, then he gets to cloud #9.
>
It's called hedging your bets, Twitchb.