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Dinsdale
Feb 9, 2013, 7:32:24 AM2/9/13
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"John Allison, former chairman of bank holding company BB&T Corp. (BBT),
admires author Ayn Rand so much that he devised a strategy to spread her
laissez-faire principles on U.S. campuses. Allison, working through the
BB&T Charitable Foundation, gives schools grants of as much as $2
million if they agree to create a course on capitalism and make Rand�s
masterwork, �Atlas Shrugged,� required reading.
Allison�s crusade to counter what he considers the anti-capitalist
orthodoxy at universities has produced results -- and controversy. Some
60 schools, including at least four campuses of the University of North
Carolina, began teaching Rand�s book after getting the foundation money.
Faculty at several schools that have accepted Allison�s terms are
protesting, saying donors shouldn�t have the power to set the curriculum
to pursue their political agendas, Bloomberg Markets magazine reports in
its June issue."
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-05/schools-find-ayn-rand-can-t-be-shrugged-as-donors-build-courses.html
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Dinsdale
admires author Ayn Rand so much that he devised a strategy to spread her
laissez-faire principles on U.S. campuses. Allison, working through the
BB&T Charitable Foundation, gives schools grants of as much as $2
million if they agree to create a course on capitalism and make Rand�s
masterwork, �Atlas Shrugged,� required reading.
Allison�s crusade to counter what he considers the anti-capitalist
orthodoxy at universities has produced results -- and controversy. Some
60 schools, including at least four campuses of the University of North
Carolina, began teaching Rand�s book after getting the foundation money.
Faculty at several schools that have accepted Allison�s terms are
protesting, saying donors shouldn�t have the power to set the curriculum
to pursue their political agendas, Bloomberg Markets magazine reports in
its June issue."
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-05/schools-find-ayn-rand-can-t-be-shrugged-as-donors-build-courses.html
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Dinsdale
ah
Feb 9, 2013, 7:40:10 AM2/9/13
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a "<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCCRKzJadpA>" h
mixed nuts
Feb 9, 2013, 8:08:22 AM2/9/13
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graduate, and the offered courses all have a mandatory (confirmed in the
final exam and in-process quizzes) read, one is sorta stuck.
Especially, when the courses are designed to promote the Randian view,
rather than open it for rational discussion.
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Grizzly H.
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cal
Feb 9, 2013, 8:57:25 AM2/9/13
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On 2/9/2013 7:40 AM, ah wrote:
conditions like that attached. it runs counter to academic freedom, a
thousand-year-old principle that most universities cling to fiercely,
and most private endowments still respect.
john allison = bad, graceless plutocrat who needs his ass kicked. and
shame on the toads on the governing bodies of the 60 schools which
accepted his terms.
cal
Feb 9, 2013, 9:09:27 AM2/9/13
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On 2/9/2013 8:50 AM, Jester's mummy wrote:
> On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 07:32:24 -0500, Dinsdale <y...@ayup.yup> wrote:
>
>> <(((*>"John Allison, former chairman of bank holding company BB&T Corp. (BBT),
>> <(((*>admires author Ayn Rand so much that he devised a strategy to spread her
>> <(((*>laissez-faire principles on U.S. campuses. Allison, working through the
>> <(((*>BB&T Charitable Foundation, gives schools grants of as much as $2
>> <(((*>million if they agree to create a course on capitalism and make Rand�s
>> <(((*>masterwork, �Atlas Shrugged,� required reading.
>> <(((*>
>> <(((*>Allison�s crusade to counter what he considers the anti-capitalist
>> <(((*>orthodoxy at universities has produced results -- and controversy. Some
>> <(((*>60 schools, including at least four campuses of the University of North
>> <(((*>Carolina, began teaching Rand�s book after getting the foundation money.
>> <(((*>Faculty at several schools that have accepted Allison�s terms are
>> <(((*>protesting, saying donors shouldn�t have the power to set the curriculum
>> <(((*>to pursue their political agendas, Bloomberg Markets magazine reports in
>> <(((*>its June issue."
>> <(((*>
>> <(((*>http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-05/schools-find-ayn-rand-can-t-be-shrugged-as-donors-build-courses.html
>
> What a great premise for a university course! Hell, if I was running a
> university, I'd take the money and create a course on capitalism, with Atlas
> Shrugged being one of the books on the required reading list.
>
> And that is as far as the donor's influence on the course would go.
>
> I'd add historical material about America's early capitalists, the development
> of the corporations, and the relationships between politics and business. And
> lots of current material from the business press.
>
> Imagine studying Enron, Madoff, et al through the lens of Rand's writing.
> Imagine the opportunities for critical thought and analysis that such a course
> could offer. Imagine how pissed Mr. Allison would be.
very smart. that's obviously the right way to do it. take the money and
give the the benefactor a melvin at the same time.
> On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 07:32:24 -0500, Dinsdale <y...@ayup.yup> wrote:
>
>> <(((*>"John Allison, former chairman of bank holding company BB&T Corp. (BBT),
>> <(((*>admires author Ayn Rand so much that he devised a strategy to spread her
>> <(((*>laissez-faire principles on U.S. campuses. Allison, working through the
>> <(((*>BB&T Charitable Foundation, gives schools grants of as much as $2
>> <(((*>million if they agree to create a course on capitalism and make Rand�s
>> <(((*>masterwork, �Atlas Shrugged,� required reading.
>> <(((*>
>> <(((*>Allison�s crusade to counter what he considers the anti-capitalist
>> <(((*>orthodoxy at universities has produced results -- and controversy. Some
>> <(((*>60 schools, including at least four campuses of the University of North
>> <(((*>Carolina, began teaching Rand�s book after getting the foundation money.
>> <(((*>Faculty at several schools that have accepted Allison�s terms are
>> <(((*>protesting, saying donors shouldn�t have the power to set the curriculum
>> <(((*>to pursue their political agendas, Bloomberg Markets magazine reports in
>> <(((*>its June issue."
>> <(((*>
>> <(((*>http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-05/schools-find-ayn-rand-can-t-be-shrugged-as-donors-build-courses.html
>
> What a great premise for a university course! Hell, if I was running a
> university, I'd take the money and create a course on capitalism, with Atlas
> Shrugged being one of the books on the required reading list.
>
> And that is as far as the donor's influence on the course would go.
>
> I'd add historical material about America's early capitalists, the development
> of the corporations, and the relationships between politics and business. And
> lots of current material from the business press.
>
> Imagine studying Enron, Madoff, et al through the lens of Rand's writing.
> Imagine the opportunities for critical thought and analysis that such a course
> could offer. Imagine how pissed Mr. Allison would be.
very smart. that's obviously the right way to do it. take the money and
give the the benefactor a melvin at the same time.
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mixed nuts
Feb 9, 2013, 9:38:56 AM2/9/13
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to universities. No Melvining if you want to keep yer job.
So the universities have to raise tuition and seek support from
different sources. And lay off people. Like perfessers and support
staff what keep things in good repair and operating smoothly. So, what
happens is the universities dump tenure track people and replace them
with part-time adjunct teaching staff (aka people in industry what like
having "visiting perfesser at" on their CV), and move from public funded
research to industry sponsored work (with proprietary partnership
agreements so no outsider gets to see what's actually going on).
Guess who ends up calling the shots. Note, in addition, that
experienced and dedicated educators aren't as likely to move into
positions like chancellor or president or director of development
anymore, rather, universities are hiring political hacks, former
corporate managers and cross-linked CEOs to fill these positions. Like
Kindasleazy Rice and Noot the Gingrich and revolving door bankers and such.
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Grizzly H.
Dinsdale
Feb 9, 2013, 9:49:51 AM2/9/13
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On 2/9/2013 9:27 AM, CyberDroog wrote:
> "Open" it for discussion... by specifically excluding all favorable views
> of capitalism.
>
> That's modern academia.
>
Liberal progressive socialist fascist conspirators are very very mean.
They would take wealth from wealthy people without batting an eyelash,
and give it to the commie masses. WHO WOULD FARM THE COMMONS AND FEED
THEMSELVES AND THEIR COMRADES WITHOUT GIVING THE ARISTOCRACY A SINGLE
POTATO FOR FREE!!!!
That's not "natural order".
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Dinsdale
> of capitalism.
>
> That's modern academia.
>
Liberal progressive socialist fascist conspirators are very very mean.
They would take wealth from wealthy people without batting an eyelash,
and give it to the commie masses. WHO WOULD FARM THE COMMONS AND FEED
THEMSELVES AND THEIR COMRADES WITHOUT GIVING THE ARISTOCRACY A SINGLE
POTATO FOR FREE!!!!
That's not "natural order".
--
Dinsdale
§ñühwö£f
Feb 9, 2013, 12:43:17 PM2/9/13
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Dinsdale wrote:
> On 2/9/2013 9:27 AM, CyberDroog wrote:
>> On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 08:08:22 -0500, mixed nuts
>> <melops...@undulatus.budgie> wrote:
>>> On 2/9/2013 7:40 AM, ah wrote:
>>>> On 2/9/13 7:32 AM, Dinsdale wrote:
>>>>> "John Allison, former chairman of bank holding company BB&T Corp.
>>>>> (BBT),
>>>>> admires author Ayn Rand so much that he devised a strategy to
>>>>> spread her
>>>>> laissez-faire principles on U.S. campuses. Allison, working through
>>>>> the
>>>>> BB&T Charitable Foundation, gives schools grants of as much as $2
>>>>> million if they agree to create a course on capitalism and make Rand’s
> On 2/9/2013 9:27 AM, CyberDroog wrote:
>> On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 08:08:22 -0500, mixed nuts
>> <melops...@undulatus.budgie> wrote:
>>> On 2/9/2013 7:40 AM, ah wrote:
>>>> On 2/9/13 7:32 AM, Dinsdale wrote:
>>>>> "John Allison, former chairman of bank holding company BB&T Corp.
>>>>> (BBT),
>>>>> admires author Ayn Rand so much that he devised a strategy to
>>>>> spread her
>>>>> laissez-faire principles on U.S. campuses. Allison, working through
>>>>> the
>>>>> BB&T Charitable Foundation, gives schools grants of as much as $2
>>>>> masterwork, “Atlas Shrugged,” required reading.
>>>>>
>>>>> Allison’s crusade to counter what he considers the anti-capitalist
>>>>> orthodoxy at universities has produced results -- and controversy.
>>>>> Some
>>>>> 60 schools, including at least four campuses of the University of
>>>>> North
>>>>> Carolina, began teaching Rand’s book after getting the foundation
>>>>> Some
>>>>> 60 schools, including at least four campuses of the University of
>>>>> North
>>>>> money.
>>>>> Faculty at several schools that have accepted Allison’s terms are
>>>>> protesting, saying donors shouldn’t have the power to set the
>>>>> curriculum
>>>>> to pursue their political agendas, Bloomberg Markets magazine
>>>>> reports in
>>>>> its June issue."
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-05/schools-find-ayn-rand-can-t-be-shrugged-as-donors-build-courses.html
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, one does not have to take the course, no?
>>>
>>> Well, if one has to take an economics or philosophy distributive to
>>> graduate, and the offered courses all have a mandatory (confirmed in the
>>> final exam and in-process quizzes) read, one is sorta stuck.
>>> Especially, when the courses are designed to promote the Randian view,
>>> rather than open it for rational discussion.
>>
>> "Open" it for discussion... by specifically excluding all favorable views
>> of capitalism.
>>
>> That's modern academia.
>>
>
> Liberal progressive socialist fascist conspirators are very very mean.
> They would take wealth from wealthy people without batting an eyelash,
> and give it to the commie masses. WHO WOULD FARM THE COMMONS AND FEED
> THEMSELVES AND THEIR COMRADES WITHOUT GIVING THE ARISTOCRACY A SINGLE
> POTATO FOR FREE!!!!
>
> That's not "natural order".
>
Funny how Ayn Rand took payments from Social Security after her husband
>>>>> to pursue their political agendas, Bloomberg Markets magazine
>>>>> reports in
>>>>> its June issue."
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-05/schools-find-ayn-rand-can-t-be-shrugged-as-donors-build-courses.html
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, one does not have to take the course, no?
>>>
>>> Well, if one has to take an economics or philosophy distributive to
>>> graduate, and the offered courses all have a mandatory (confirmed in the
>>> final exam and in-process quizzes) read, one is sorta stuck.
>>> Especially, when the courses are designed to promote the Randian view,
>>> rather than open it for rational discussion.
>>
>> "Open" it for discussion... by specifically excluding all favorable views
>> of capitalism.
>>
>> That's modern academia.
>>
>
> Liberal progressive socialist fascist conspirators are very very mean.
> They would take wealth from wealthy people without batting an eyelash,
> and give it to the commie masses. WHO WOULD FARM THE COMMONS AND FEED
> THEMSELVES AND THEIR COMRADES WITHOUT GIVING THE ARISTOCRACY A SINGLE
> POTATO FOR FREE!!!!
>
> That's not "natural order".
>
died. Oh wait; no thats par for the hypocrite conservative "mind".
Always saying one thing and doing another.
<nods>
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meowmix
Feb 9, 2013, 4:06:02 PM2/9/13
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 08:08:22 -0500, mixed nuts
<melops...@undulatus.budgie> wrote:
<melops...@undulatus.budgie> wrote:
>On 2/9/2013 7:40 AM, ah wrote:
>> On 2/9/13 7:32 AM, Dinsdale wrote:
>>> "John Allison, former chairman of bank holding company BB&T Corp. (BBT),
>>> admires author Ayn Rand so much that he devised a strategy to spread her
>>> laissez-faire principles on U.S. campuses. Allison, working through the
>>> BB&T Charitable Foundation, gives schools grants of as much as $2
>> On 2/9/13 7:32 AM, Dinsdale wrote:
>>> "John Allison, former chairman of bank holding company BB&T Corp. (BBT),
>>> admires author Ayn Rand so much that he devised a strategy to spread her
>>> laissez-faire principles on U.S. campuses. Allison, working through the
>>> BB&T Charitable Foundation, gives schools grants of as much as $2
>>> million if they agree to create a course on capitalism and make Rand�s
>>> masterwork, �Atlas Shrugged,� required reading.
>>>
>>> Allison�s crusade to counter what he considers the anti-capitalist
>>> masterwork, �Atlas Shrugged,� required reading.
>>>
>>> orthodoxy at universities has produced results -- and controversy. Some
>>> 60 schools, including at least four campuses of the University of North
>>> Carolina, began teaching Rand�s book after getting the foundation money.
>>> 60 schools, including at least four campuses of the University of North
>>> Faculty at several schools that have accepted Allison�s terms are
>>> protesting, saying donors shouldn�t have the power to set the curriculum
>>> to pursue their political agendas, Bloomberg Markets magazine reports in
>>> its June issue."
>>>
>>> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-05/schools-find-ayn-rand-can-t-be-shrugged-as-donors-build-courses.html
>>
>> Well, one does not have to take the course, no?
>>
>
>Well, if one has to take an economics or philosophy distributive to
>graduate, and the offered courses all have a mandatory (confirmed in the
>final exam and in-process quizzes) read, one is sorta stuck.
>Especially, when the courses are designed to promote the Randian view,
>rather than open it for rational discussion.
just because one studies this shite does not mean that the person will
>>> its June issue."
>>>
>>> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-05/schools-find-ayn-rand-can-t-be-shrugged-as-donors-build-courses.html
>>
>> Well, one does not have to take the course, no?
>>
>
>Well, if one has to take an economics or philosophy distributive to
>graduate, and the offered courses all have a mandatory (confirmed in the
>final exam and in-process quizzes) read, one is sorta stuck.
>Especially, when the courses are designed to promote the Randian view,
>rather than open it for rational discussion.
buy into lie.
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mhm x v i x i i i
meowmix
Feb 9, 2013, 4:08:43 PM2/9/13
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 09:38:56 -0500, mixed nuts
<melops...@undulatus.budgie> wrote:
>On 2/9/2013 9:09 AM, cal wrote:
>> On 2/9/2013 8:50 AM, Jester's mummy wrote:
>>> On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 07:32:24 -0500, Dinsdale <y...@ayup.yup> wrote:
>>>
>>>> <(((*>"John Allison, former chairman of bank holding company BB&T
>>>> Corp. (BBT),
>>>> <(((*>admires author Ayn Rand so much that he devised a strategy to
>>>> spread her
>>>> <(((*>laissez-faire principles on U.S. campuses. Allison, working
>>>> through the
>>>> <(((*>BB&T Charitable Foundation, gives schools grants of as much as $2
>>>> <(((*>million if they agree to create a course on capitalism and make
>>>> Rand’s
<melops...@undulatus.budgie> wrote:
>On 2/9/2013 9:09 AM, cal wrote:
>> On 2/9/2013 8:50 AM, Jester's mummy wrote:
>>> On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 07:32:24 -0500, Dinsdale <y...@ayup.yup> wrote:
>>>
>>>> <(((*>"John Allison, former chairman of bank holding company BB&T
>>>> Corp. (BBT),
>>>> <(((*>admires author Ayn Rand so much that he devised a strategy to
>>>> spread her
>>>> <(((*>laissez-faire principles on U.S. campuses. Allison, working
>>>> through the
>>>> <(((*>BB&T Charitable Foundation, gives schools grants of as much as $2
>>>> <(((*>million if they agree to create a course on capitalism and make
>>>> <(((*>masterwork, “Atlas Shrugged,” required reading.
>>>> <(((*>
>>>> <(((*>Allison’s crusade to counter what he considers the anti-capitalist
>>>> <(((*>orthodoxy at universities has produced results -- and
>>>> controversy. Some
>>>> <(((*>60 schools, including at least four campuses of the University
>>>> of North
>>>> <(((*>Carolina, began teaching Rand’s book after getting the
>>>> controversy. Some
>>>> <(((*>60 schools, including at least four campuses of the University
>>>> of North
>>>> foundation money.
>>>> <(((*>Faculty at several schools that have accepted Allison’s terms are
>>>> <(((*>protesting, saying donors shouldn’t have the power to set the
mixed nuts
Feb 9, 2013, 4:57:38 PM2/9/13
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On 2/9/2013 4:08 PM, meowmix wrote:
> On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 09:38:56 -0500, mixed nuts
> <melops...@undulatus.budgie> wrote:
>> On 2/9/2013 9:09 AM, cal wrote:
>>> On 2/9/2013 8:50 AM, Jester's mummy wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 07:32:24 -0500, Dinsdale <y...@ayup.yup> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> <(((*>"John Allison, former chairman of bank holding company BB&T
>>>>> Corp. (BBT),
>>>>> <(((*>admires author Ayn Rand so much that he devised a strategy to
>>>>> spread her
>>>>> <(((*>laissez-faire principles on U.S. campuses. Allison, working
>>>>> through the
>>>>> <(((*>BB&T Charitable Foundation, gives schools grants of as much as $2
>>>>> <(((*>million if they agree to create a course on capitalism and make
> On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 09:38:56 -0500, mixed nuts
> <melops...@undulatus.budgie> wrote:
>> On 2/9/2013 9:09 AM, cal wrote:
>>> On 2/9/2013 8:50 AM, Jester's mummy wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 07:32:24 -0500, Dinsdale <y...@ayup.yup> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> <(((*>"John Allison, former chairman of bank holding company BB&T
>>>>> Corp. (BBT),
>>>>> <(((*>admires author Ayn Rand so much that he devised a strategy to
>>>>> spread her
>>>>> <(((*>laissez-faire principles on U.S. campuses. Allison, working
>>>>> through the
>>>>> <(((*>BB&T Charitable Foundation, gives schools grants of as much as $2
>>>>> <(((*>million if they agree to create a course on capitalism and make
>>>>> Rand�s
>>>>> <(((*>masterwork, �Atlas Shrugged,� required reading.
>>>>> <(((*>
>>>>> <(((*>Allison�s crusade to counter what he considers the anti-capitalist
>>>>> <(((*>masterwork, �Atlas Shrugged,� required reading.
>>>>> <(((*>
>>>>> <(((*>orthodoxy at universities has produced results -- and
>>>>> controversy. Some
>>>>> <(((*>60 schools, including at least four campuses of the University
>>>>> of North
>>>>> <(((*>Carolina, began teaching Rand�s book after getting the
>>>>> controversy. Some
>>>>> <(((*>60 schools, including at least four campuses of the University
>>>>> of North
>>>>> foundation money.
>>>>> <(((*>Faculty at several schools that have accepted Allison�s terms are
>>>>> <(((*>protesting, saying donors shouldn�t have the power to set the
measures of achievement:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-20498356
I tend to believe the US system started out weak in the 1950s, went
through a peak between 1958 and 1970 (legacy of Eisenhower, Kennedy and
the effect of the GI Bill educating common people) and has been
wandering aimlessly ever since due to political machination.
Unless you're rich and can afford a school that works.
--
Grizzly H.
meowmix
Feb 9, 2013, 7:25:22 PM2/9/13
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 16:57:38 -0500, mixed nuts
>>>>>> foundation money.
>>>>>> <(((*>Faculty at several schools that have accepted Allison’s terms are
>>>>>> <(((*>protesting, saying donors shouldn’t have the power to set the
i know the us education system, over all, is pretty damn shite. it's
not all that great here, the govt just cancled grants to a lot of
schools for desperately needed upgrades for not fit for purpose
buildings. the education minister is trying to change the gcse's, that
blew up in his face with yet another tory backpeddling demonstration.
the university and grants system is a minefield, lots of students ran
riot in london no so long back because of it. i don't blame them. top
universities charge (peanuts compared to the us) now 9, though lesser
universites charge less, grand a year which most familys cannot
afford, while the govt says student loans etc and the period it is
payable back over, make it workable (noone trusts them). even the not
that good universities are charging what they want.
>Unless you're rich and can afford a school that works.
luckily there is a get out claus for us, if you're not from england
and are from europe, you can go to university in scotland for nothing.
all the children have swedish passports, so if things don't change and
they want to go to university, they'll be off to scotland and we are
sorted.
<melops...@undulatus.budgie> wrote:
>On 2/9/2013 4:08 PM, meowmix wrote:
>> On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 09:38:56 -0500, mixed nuts
>> <melops...@undulatus.budgie> wrote:
>>> On 2/9/2013 9:09 AM, cal wrote:
>>>> On 2/9/2013 8:50 AM, Jester's mummy wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 07:32:24 -0500, Dinsdale <y...@ayup.yup> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> <(((*>"John Allison, former chairman of bank holding company BB&T
>>>>>> Corp. (BBT),
>>>>>> <(((*>admires author Ayn Rand so much that he devised a strategy to
>>>>>> spread her
>>>>>> <(((*>laissez-faire principles on U.S. campuses. Allison, working
>>>>>> through the
>>>>>> <(((*>BB&T Charitable Foundation, gives schools grants of as much as $2
>>>>>> <(((*>million if they agree to create a course on capitalism and make
>On 2/9/2013 4:08 PM, meowmix wrote:
>> On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 09:38:56 -0500, mixed nuts
>> <melops...@undulatus.budgie> wrote:
>>> On 2/9/2013 9:09 AM, cal wrote:
>>>> On 2/9/2013 8:50 AM, Jester's mummy wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 07:32:24 -0500, Dinsdale <y...@ayup.yup> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> <(((*>"John Allison, former chairman of bank holding company BB&T
>>>>>> Corp. (BBT),
>>>>>> <(((*>admires author Ayn Rand so much that he devised a strategy to
>>>>>> spread her
>>>>>> <(((*>laissez-faire principles on U.S. campuses. Allison, working
>>>>>> through the
>>>>>> <(((*>BB&T Charitable Foundation, gives schools grants of as much as $2
>>>>>> <(((*>million if they agree to create a course on capitalism and make
>>>>>> Rand’s
>>>>>> <(((*>masterwork, “Atlas Shrugged,” required reading.
>>>>>> <(((*>
>>>>>> <(((*>Allison’s crusade to counter what he considers the anti-capitalist
>>>>>> <(((*>masterwork, “Atlas Shrugged,” required reading.
>>>>>> <(((*>
>>>>>> <(((*>orthodoxy at universities has produced results -- and
>>>>>> controversy. Some
>>>>>> <(((*>60 schools, including at least four campuses of the University
>>>>>> of North
>>>>>> <(((*>Carolina, began teaching Rand’s book after getting the
>>>>>> controversy. Some
>>>>>> <(((*>60 schools, including at least four campuses of the University
>>>>>> of North
>>>>>> foundation money.
>>>>>> <(((*>Faculty at several schools that have accepted Allison’s terms are
>>>>>> <(((*>protesting, saying donors shouldn’t have the power to set the
not all that great here, the govt just cancled grants to a lot of
schools for desperately needed upgrades for not fit for purpose
buildings. the education minister is trying to change the gcse's, that
blew up in his face with yet another tory backpeddling demonstration.
the university and grants system is a minefield, lots of students ran
riot in london no so long back because of it. i don't blame them. top
universities charge (peanuts compared to the us) now 9, though lesser
universites charge less, grand a year which most familys cannot
afford, while the govt says student loans etc and the period it is
payable back over, make it workable (noone trusts them). even the not
that good universities are charging what they want.
>Unless you're rich and can afford a school that works.
and are from europe, you can go to university in scotland for nothing.
all the children have swedish passports, so if things don't change and
they want to go to university, they'll be off to scotland and we are
sorted.
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Feb 11, 2013, 11:48:52 AM2/11/13
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On 2/11/2013 9:35 AM, CyberDroog wrote:
> the dangers of crony-capitalism, so the topic would indeed be a fit
> subject for any such course.
i bet she had so much to say about it that the opportunities for such
critical thought and analysis would be enough to fill the entire course.
i bet she also had much to say about the need for increased government
involvement to safeguard against corporate failures to self-regulate in
the public interest.
i think mr allison would probably be pissed. but if not, then more power
to him and please keep that funding rolling in. in the perennial
shortage of government funding that's driving tuition fees through the
roof, every penny of private donation is sorely needed.
otherwise, the time will come when higher education will only be
available to children of the wealthy, and we'll be well underway toward
the morlocks and the elocks i mean eloi.
> On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 08:50:20 -0500, Jester's mummy <coc...@nest.egg>
> wrote:
>
>> Imagine studying Enron, Madoff, et al through the lens of Rand's writing.
>> Imagine the opportunities for critical thought and analysis that such a course
>> could offer. Imagine how pissed Mr. Allison would be.
>
> Why do you think he would be pissed? Rand had quite a bit to say about
> wrote:
>
>> Imagine studying Enron, Madoff, et al through the lens of Rand's writing.
>> Imagine the opportunities for critical thought and analysis that such a course
>> could offer. Imagine how pissed Mr. Allison would be.
>
> the dangers of crony-capitalism, so the topic would indeed be a fit
> subject for any such course.
i bet she had so much to say about it that the opportunities for such
critical thought and analysis would be enough to fill the entire course.
i bet she also had much to say about the need for increased government
involvement to safeguard against corporate failures to self-regulate in
the public interest.
i think mr allison would probably be pissed. but if not, then more power
to him and please keep that funding rolling in. in the perennial
shortage of government funding that's driving tuition fees through the
roof, every penny of private donation is sorely needed.
otherwise, the time will come when higher education will only be
available to children of the wealthy, and we'll be well underway toward
the morlocks and the elocks i mean eloi.
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ah
Feb 12, 2013, 7:41:39 PM2/12/13
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On 2/9/13 9:49 AM, Dinsdale wrote:
> On 2/9/2013 9:27 AM, CyberDroog wrote:
>> On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 08:08:22 -0500, mixed nuts
>> <melops...@undulatus.budgie> wrote:
>>> On 2/9/2013 7:40 AM, ah wrote:
>>>> On 2/9/13 7:32 AM, Dinsdale wrote:
>>>>> "John Allison, former chairman of bank holding company BB&T Corp. (BBT),
>>>>> admires author Ayn Rand so much that he devised a strategy to spread her
>>>>> laissez-faire principles on U.S. campuses. Allison, working through the
>>>>> BB&T Charitable Foundation, gives schools grants of as much as $2
>>>>> million if they agree to create a course on capitalism and make Rand’s
> On 2/9/2013 9:27 AM, CyberDroog wrote:
>> On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 08:08:22 -0500, mixed nuts
>> <melops...@undulatus.budgie> wrote:
>>> On 2/9/2013 7:40 AM, ah wrote:
>>>> On 2/9/13 7:32 AM, Dinsdale wrote:
>>>>> "John Allison, former chairman of bank holding company BB&T Corp. (BBT),
>>>>> admires author Ayn Rand so much that he devised a strategy to spread her
>>>>> laissez-faire principles on U.S. campuses. Allison, working through the
>>>>> BB&T Charitable Foundation, gives schools grants of as much as $2
>>>>> masterwork, “Atlas Shrugged,” required reading.
>>>>>
>>>>> Allison’s crusade to counter what he considers the anti-capitalist
>>>>>
>>>>> orthodoxy at universities has produced results -- and controversy. Some
>>>>> 60 schools, including at least four campuses of the University of North
>>>>> Carolina, began teaching Rand’s book after getting the foundation money.
>>>>> 60 schools, including at least four campuses of the University of North
>>>>> Faculty at several schools that have accepted Allison’s terms are
>>>>> protesting, saying donors shouldn’t have the power to set the curriculum
>>>>> to pursue their political agendas, Bloomberg Markets magazine reports in
>>>>> its June issue."
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-05/schools-find-ayn-rand-can-t-be-shrugged-as-donors-build-courses.html
>>>>
>>>> Well, one does not have to take the course, no?
>>>
>>> Well, if one has to take an economics or philosophy distributive to
>>> graduate, and the offered courses all have a mandatory (confirmed in the
>>> final exam and in-process quizzes) read, one is sorta stuck.
>>> Especially, when the courses are designed to promote the Randian view,
>>> rather than open it for rational discussion.
>>
>> "Open" it for discussion... by specifically excluding all favorable views
>> of capitalism.
>>
>> That's modern academia.
>>
>
> Liberal progressive socialist fascist conspirators are very very mean.
> They would take wealth from wealthy people without batting an eyelash,
> and give it to the commie masses. WHO WOULD FARM THE COMMONS AND FEED
> THEMSELVES AND THEIR COMRADES WITHOUT GIVING THE ARISTOCRACY A SINGLE
> POTATO FOR FREE!!!!
>
> That's not "natural order".
You a Communist, Dinsdale?
>>>>> its June issue."
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-05/schools-find-ayn-rand-can-t-be-shrugged-as-donors-build-courses.html
>>>>
>>>> Well, one does not have to take the course, no?
>>>
>>> Well, if one has to take an economics or philosophy distributive to
>>> graduate, and the offered courses all have a mandatory (confirmed in the
>>> final exam and in-process quizzes) read, one is sorta stuck.
>>> Especially, when the courses are designed to promote the Randian view,
>>> rather than open it for rational discussion.
>>
>> "Open" it for discussion... by specifically excluding all favorable views
>> of capitalism.
>>
>> That's modern academia.
>>
>
> Liberal progressive socialist fascist conspirators are very very mean.
> They would take wealth from wealthy people without batting an eyelash,
> and give it to the commie masses. WHO WOULD FARM THE COMMONS AND FEED
> THEMSELVES AND THEIR COMRADES WITHOUT GIVING THE ARISTOCRACY A SINGLE
> POTATO FOR FREE!!!!
>
> That's not "natural order".
ah
Feb 12, 2013, 7:42:50 PM2/12/13
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ah
Feb 12, 2013, 7:44:07 PM2/12/13
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On 2/9/13 8:08 AM, mixed nuts wrote:
> On 2/9/2013 7:40 AM, ah wrote:
>> On 2/9/13 7:32 AM, Dinsdale wrote:
>>> "John Allison, former chairman of bank holding company BB&T Corp. (BBT),
>>> admires author Ayn Rand so much that he devised a strategy to spread her
>>> laissez-faire principles on U.S. campuses. Allison, working through the
>>> BB&T Charitable Foundation, gives schools grants of as much as $2
> On 2/9/2013 7:40 AM, ah wrote:
>> On 2/9/13 7:32 AM, Dinsdale wrote:
>>> "John Allison, former chairman of bank holding company BB&T Corp. (BBT),
>>> admires author Ayn Rand so much that he devised a strategy to spread her
>>> laissez-faire principles on U.S. campuses. Allison, working through the
>>> BB&T Charitable Foundation, gives schools grants of as much as $2
>>> million if they agree to create a course on capitalism and make Rand’s
>>> masterwork, “Atlas Shrugged,” required reading.
>>>
>>> Allison’s crusade to counter what he considers the anti-capitalist
>>> masterwork, “Atlas Shrugged,” required reading.
>>>
>>> orthodoxy at universities has produced results -- and controversy. Some
>>> 60 schools, including at least four campuses of the University of North
>>> Carolina, began teaching Rand’s book after getting the foundation money.
>>> 60 schools, including at least four campuses of the University of North
>>> Faculty at several schools that have accepted Allison’s terms are
>>> protesting, saying donors shouldn’t have the power to set the curriculum
>>> to pursue their political agendas, Bloomberg Markets magazine reports in
>>> its June issue."
>>>
>>> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-05/schools-find-ayn-rand-can-t-be-shrugged-as-donors-build-courses.html
>>
>> Well, one does not have to take the course, no?
>>
>
> Well, if one has to take an economics or philosophy distributive to
> graduate, and the offered courses all have a mandatory (confirmed in the
> final exam and in-process quizzes) read, one is sorta stuck.
> Especially, when the courses are designed to promote the Randian view,
> rather than open it for rational discussion.
Principles are cool when a person has enough dosh to avail.
>>> its June issue."
>>>
>>> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-05/schools-find-ayn-rand-can-t-be-shrugged-as-donors-build-courses.html
>>
>> Well, one does not have to take the course, no?
>>
>
> Well, if one has to take an economics or philosophy distributive to
> graduate, and the offered courses all have a mandatory (confirmed in the
> final exam and in-process quizzes) read, one is sorta stuck.
> Especially, when the courses are designed to promote the Randian view,
> rather than open it for rational discussion.
ah
Feb 12, 2013, 7:46:43 PM2/12/13
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Feb 12, 2013, 8:00:27 PM2/12/13
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ah wrote:
> On 2/9/13 8:57 AM, cal wrote:
>> On 2/9/2013 7:40 AM, ah wrote:
>>> On 2/9/13 7:32 AM, Dinsdale wrote:
>>>> "John Allison, former chairman of bank holding company BB&T Corp.
>>>> (BBT), admires author Ayn Rand so much that he devised a strategy
>>>> to spread her laissez-faire principles on U.S. campuses. Allison,
>>>> working through the BB&T Charitable Foundation, gives schools
>>>> grants of as much as $2 million if they agree to create a course
> On 2/9/13 8:57 AM, cal wrote:
>> On 2/9/2013 7:40 AM, ah wrote:
>>> On 2/9/13 7:32 AM, Dinsdale wrote:
>>>> "John Allison, former chairman of bank holding company BB&T Corp.
>>>> (BBT), admires author Ayn Rand so much that he devised a strategy
>>>> to spread her laissez-faire principles on U.S. campuses. Allison,
>>>> working through the BB&T Charitable Foundation, gives schools
>>>> grants of as much as $2 million if they agree to create a course
>>>> on capitalism and make Rand’s masterwork, “Atlas Shrugged,”
>>>> required reading.
>>>>
>>>> Allison’s crusade to counter what he considers the anti-capitalist
>>>> required reading.
>>>>
>>>> orthodoxy at universities has produced results -- and controversy.
>>>> Some 60 schools, including at least four campuses of the
>>>> University of North Carolina, began teaching Rand’s book after
>>>> Some 60 schools, including at least four campuses of the
>>>> getting the foundation money. Faculty at several schools that have
>>>> accepted Allison’s terms are protesting, saying donors shouldn’t
>>>> have the power to set the curriculum to pursue their political
>>>> agendas, Bloomberg Markets magazine reports in its June issue."
>>>>
>>>> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-05/schools-find-ayn-rand-can-t-be-shrugged-as-donors-build-courses.html
>>>
>>> Well, one does not have to take the course, no?
>>>
>>
>> one does not have to attend a university that accepts funding with
>> conditions like that attached. it runs counter to academic freedom, a
>> thousand-year-old principle that most universities cling to fiercely,
>> and most private endowments still respect.
>>
>> john allison = bad, graceless plutocrat who needs his ass kicked. and
>> shame on the toads on the governing bodies of the 60 schools which
>> accepted his terms.
>
> These 60 should be Published online!
do it then
>>>> agendas, Bloomberg Markets magazine reports in its June issue."
>>>>
>>>> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-05/schools-find-ayn-rand-can-t-be-shrugged-as-donors-build-courses.html
>>>
>>> Well, one does not have to take the course, no?
>>>
>>
>> one does not have to attend a university that accepts funding with
>> conditions like that attached. it runs counter to academic freedom, a
>> thousand-year-old principle that most universities cling to fiercely,
>> and most private endowments still respect.
>>
>> john allison = bad, graceless plutocrat who needs his ass kicked. and
>> shame on the toads on the governing bodies of the 60 schools which
>> accepted his terms.
>
> These 60 should be Published online!
David
Feb 12, 2013, 8:02:47 PM2/12/13
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active director
David
Feb 12, 2013, 8:58:11 PM2/12/13
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I need to say something.
mimus
Feb 13, 2013, 11:36:05 AM2/13/13
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Do.
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We're polite around here.
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Feb 13, 2013, 11:50:02 AM2/13/13
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mimus wrote:
> On Feb 12, 8:58 pm, "David" <dd2...@mail.com> wrote:
>
>> I need to say something.
>
> Do.
hi boner
> On Feb 12, 8:58 pm, "David" <dd2...@mail.com> wrote:
>
>> I need to say something.
>
> Do.
cal
Feb 14, 2013, 6:12:11 AM2/14/13
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mimus
Feb 14, 2013, 9:17:02 AM2/14/13
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I know you're a wormtard, not a spammer.
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Cacas contingit.
mimus
Feb 14, 2013, 9:37:01 AM2/14/13
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the Elite Can Afford
One after another, the occupations that shape American society are
becoming impossible for all but the most elite to enter.
http://t.co/qCeTKLts
Between its bureaucratization and plutocratization, not to mention its
remnant Loonie Left, responsible centrist/populist leadership in the
struggle against plutocracy in America seems less and less likely to
come from academia.
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All power and wealth to the wealthy!
anything less is class war!
ah
Jul 1, 2013, 8:53:10 PM7/1/13
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On 2/14/13 6:12 AM, cal wrote:
> On 2/12/2013 7:46 PM, ah wrote:
>> On 2/11/13 11:48 AM, cal wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
> On 2/12/2013 7:46 PM, ah wrote:
>> On 2/11/13 11:48 AM, cal wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> roof
>>>
>>> [...]
>>
>> Teh Futrue is Neigh!
>
> yeip! woeh nelie!
The sound of inevitability....
>> Teh Futrue is Neigh!
>
> yeip! woeh nelie!
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