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Watercolors/Createx Difference Old Post, Aug.12,2002 Are you Guys Serious?

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Oh Denise Shoobee Doo

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Nov 21, 2002, 11:18:49 AM11/21/02
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After I posted to Paul, I went back through the posts on this BB to
get the feel of the atmosphere...
I stopped at this one. It caught my eye...I had a speechless moment.
Whenever those happen the moment has to be an earth shaker.


What is the difference between Watercolors And Createx?

I am amazed... shocked...astounded at...
riiiight... I geeeet iiiit...
you artists never studied in art class in jr. high school right? Not
in history either? Art History?
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There are two major differences between Watercolors And Createx.


One is....... TECHNOLOGY.

Two is... the second mind blower...


Watercolors is a medium,

Createx is a Trade name/brand

Do you see the difference now?


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Createx markets several lines of acrylics,
One of is probably an acrylic enamel.
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Acrylics is a medium.

Acrylics contain a polymer or more well known as a resin.
Polymers are a modern invention of modern tecnology. Plastics have
been around for 2 centuries but compared to inventions of pre B.C..
That's fairly modern.


You might think of watercolors as being discovered by... Cavemen.

Watercolors have been modernized somewhat from the clay pots and
animal skin pouches filled with organic materials, minerals and
vegetable matter the cavemen used. Watercolors are still water soluble
pigment or dyes that remains water soluble. Modern pigments and dyes,
organic and inorganic, are used in watercolors distributed by fine art
materials manufacturers that are now on the market in cake and liquid
form. Watercolors are used mainly on wet stretched watercolor paper
with brushes, by 5 year olds in kindergarten sticking brushes into
jars full of muddy looking water and by illustrationists with
airbrushes on illustration board


Acrylics use water as one of the suspension fluids and solvents. It
also has organic and inorganic pigments and dyes but does not remain
water soluble. Inks use dyes for the colorant where as most paints use
pigments. As evaporation of the suspension fluid takes place, the
acryics becomes a dried plastic material that small children like to
peel off metal and glass to use as chewing gum.
Acrylics are plastic and "melt" with heat making them "grip" onto a
support therefore heatsetting can be applied for permanance. Acrylics
are used for too many applications to list but best left off metal and
glass so that small children won't peel it off to use it for chewing
gum.

Oils are another ancient invention.
Somewere along the chronological time line of Man, Some post-caveman
knocked his foot against a container of oil that his mate had made
from pressing the oil out of fruits and nuts as she was preparing
dinner. He had been hard at labor pulverizing his gathered earths,
dried berries and plants. The oil splashed into the earths, dried
berries and plants. He scrapes them up fast thinking how all his hard
work has bee ruined. Wipes his hands on the walls to get the
disappointing stuff off and stomps out in frustration to go kill
something. He returns days later after hunting down a few Euroch to
dry for the upcoming winter and relieving his anger. He stalks in and
looks at the wall... notices that... It's still wet... he rubs the
streaks... it mixes the streaks of color, he comes back the next day,
he can still rub them around...
Oil painting has now been discovered and will continue 40,000 years
later to be used by modern man who hasn't an inkling about the
materials he uses.


Now... Tell me the difference between egg tempera and House Of Kolor.


Paul got most of it. Thumbs up Paul.

The Story Teller of the Airbrush World
Oh Denise Shoobee Doo(With Knowledge the world can rest in your hand)
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Message 1 in thread
From: Vern (musi...@hawaii.rr.com)
Subject: Difference? Between Watercolors and Createx or the like?


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Date: 2002-08-11 18:12:57 PST

Is there a difference between Watercolors and Createx (say)?

I've been reading a lot more about airbrush artist using
'Watercolors' to paint.

Are they speaking of Watercolors as in what watercolor
artists use for painting, or Water colors as in Createx
or the like type paint / which is water based?

Vern
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From: paulcorfield (pa...@paulcorfield.com)
Subject: Re: Difference? Between Watercolors and Createx or the like?


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Date: 2002-08-12 00:33:38 PST

Hi Vern,
I think the standard Createx is an acrylic. Water soluble but dries to
a
flexible, almost rubber like texture, and it's waterproof. Watercolors
and
acrylics behave the similar when diluted but differ when dry.
Watercolor can
be lifted back out when dry by using a wet brush but acrylic will need
to be
erased, depending on your surface of course. I paint with an acrylic
ink
made by Daler Rowney that behaves somewhere in between the two. It's
already
very diluted and allows a lot of techniques to be used. This is ok for
me
because I only paint onto illustration board. When I use Createx I
find it
very hard to erase back and so don't use it these days. Watercolor is
good
for the airbrush because it is the least likely to clog. It's not as
permanent and lightfast as acrylic and will fade over a long period of
time.
The thicker and faster drying acrylics clog more easily, not too bad
if well
thinned or you can use special retarders to slow down the drying.
There are
also things to add that make acrylics flow more easily through the
airbrush.
Liquitex make some good additives that can be used in most makes of
acrylics. Then there's oil paints. There are some water soluble oils
these
days. They still take a few days to dry though but this can be
beneficial.
Hope all this helps.
Regards,
Paul.
--
The Pinup Art of Paul Corfield
www.paulcorfield.com

"Vern" <musi...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Is there a difference between Watercolors and Createx (say)?
>
> I've been reading a lot more about airbrush artist using
> 'Watercolors' to paint.
>
> Are they speaking of Watercolors as in what watercolor
> artists use for painting, or Water colors as in Createx
> or the like type paint / which is water based?
>
> Vern
>
>

Vern

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Nov 22, 2002, 4:21:00 AM11/22/02
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Well...I was serious at the time.

Vern

Vern

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Nov 22, 2002, 4:21:38 AM11/22/02
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Sorry it offended you....shoobee.

Vern

Wenz

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Nov 22, 2002, 10:44:13 AM11/22/02
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Vern,
Don't be put off asking questions..That's what makes this such a good
NG...it's about sharing knowledge at 'all' levels...and u have gone far
beyond the level u where at the time of asking those questions.. u have also
probably helped a few lurkers who needed to know the same things
anyway..Continue to ask -continue to learn-continue to help those just
starting out.
Wenz

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Vern

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Nov 22, 2002, 1:27:57 PM11/22/02
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Thanks Wenz....

I appreciate those who frequent this NG all the time. You
all do help me a lot, and hopefully I can lend a hand
here and there myself.

In regards to a recent post.....and who I was replying to.
IT's a shame when you think that you're so good that you don't
need anyone's help.....or when a question is posted that
they already know about....becomes a stupid one.

All I was asking at the time was what the difference was...between
a watercolor paint, and one that is water based..you know...miscible
in water? Ah...well....Jenny come lately...doesn't know this and
adds her two cents. Ah well...so goes the world.


I'm all done.....no more said....I don't want our newsgroup
to become like the others. I took a breath...I'm cool!

Aloha
Vern

Platypus

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Nov 22, 2002, 2:20:18 PM11/22/02
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Everyone is waaaaaay cool here Dude!!!

Peace Out (or something like that).

I just recently learned that this is Californian.

Groetjes (this is Dutch),
Ed

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Wenz

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Nov 23, 2002, 11:38:02 AM11/23/02
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LOL...Yeah but do u remember the days when everything was 'fab' and wait for
it ' Ace' ....hehe 'wicked'

Wenz
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Platypus

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Nov 23, 2002, 12:45:41 PM11/23/02
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Nah, I think that's before my time ;oD but when I lived in Birmingham
everyone was called 'Mate'. Jumping on and off the bus it was 'Cheers Mate'
and so. Kinda Cooooooool.
--
Ed (a.k.a. Platypus)
http://members.cox.net/platypus/

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The artist formally known as Wenz

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Nov 23, 2002, 3:22:08 PM11/23/02
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Are u saying I sound old now mate ;-P
'Crucial' hehe

cheers mate


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