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Airwizard

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Mar 29, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/29/98
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Am I the only one who thinks that computer airbrushing is NOT being an
airbrush artist...but rather computer graphics artist...Interested in
getting your opinions...Airwizard

J.w Baker

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Mar 29, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/29/98
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In article <351E8A...@sympatico.ca>, Airwizard
<Ralph...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

There seems to be a lot of people who agree with you on this point, but it
all comes down to semantics and the concept of art, which in itself is
just an idea at its inception...

What is the real difference between art created on canvas or whatever,
with airbrush in hand, and then having it scanned into a computer to be
viewed there, and art created in the computer with the airbrush tool in
Photoshop or some other application and then it is used to create the
various forms of transfer for use in the real world..? There is a point
where these two disciplines intersect and are one and the same... Digital
airbrushing has its roots in the 'accepted' conventional form most of us
are familiar with, and is the next logical 'offspring' of our art form - I
say embrace it for what it is instead of treating it like a bastard child.

I can't even comprehend doing digital airbrushing myself, doesn't 'feel'
right to me, but I won't deny those who can do it, and I certainly won't
indulge in ANY form of censorship no matter how subtle...

Jw

Tom127

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Mar 29, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/29/98
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In article <jwb-290398...@ppp-207-215-84-22.scrm01.pacbell.net>,
j...@jwbart.com (J.w Baker) wrote:

>In article <351E8A...@sympatico.ca>, Airwizard
><Ralph...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>Am I the only one who thinks that computer airbrushing is NOT being an
>>airbrush artist...but rather computer graphics artist...Interested in
>>getting your opinions...Airwizard

No, you're not the only one. I do 'em both, and although I really like
doing digital art, I *love* doing airbrush art.


>There seems to be a lot of people who agree with you on this point, but it
>all comes down to semantics and the concept of art, which in itself is
>just an idea at its inception...

I'd think it was a difference in _technique_, not semantics of art.
F'rinstance- you can paint with acrylics or watercolor and be a painter.
You're just not an _oil_ painter.

By the same token, if you're not doing artwork with an airbrush, you're not
being an airbrush artist. No big deal.


>What is the real difference between art created on canvas or whatever,
>with airbrush in hand, and then having it scanned into a computer to be
>viewed there, and art created in the computer with the airbrush tool in
>Photoshop or some other application and then it is used to create the
>various forms of transfer for use in the real world..? There is a point
>where these two disciplines intersect and are one and the same... Digital
>airbrushing has its roots in the 'accepted' conventional form most of us
>are familiar with, and is the next logical 'offspring' of our art form - I
>say embrace it for what it is instead of treating it like a bastard child.
>
>I can't even comprehend doing digital airbrushing myself, doesn't 'feel'
>right to me, but I won't deny those who can do it, and I certainly won't
>indulge in ANY form of censorship no matter how subtle...

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I didn't get the imperession at all that Ralph was
trying to engage in " censorship no matter how subtle", but rather defining
(accurately, IMHO) what constitutes airbrush art. I mean, you can blend
with a sable brush just as you can with atomized particles blasted on a
current of air through a nozzle. But only one of them is airbrush art...

--
---Tom Vincent
The gallery is now open.
http://www.capital.net/~tom127/index.html

boot hill

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Mar 29, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/29/98
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Airwizard wrote:

> Am I the only one who thinks that computer airbrushing is NOT being an
> airbrush artist...but rather computer graphics artist...Interested in
> getting your opinions...Airwizard

A long time ago, real artists did not consider airbrush artists to be
real artists. Funny eh?

Airbrush on!
chill

J.w Baker

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If you are an airbrush artist of some twenty years say, and one day you
decide to try this little computer facimile of an airbrush that is
supposed to create digitally the same idea in a digital form, what a
'real' airbrush does in the 'non-digital' world, and you do this from that
point on - are you no longer an "airbrush artist?"

Ant Wren

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Mar 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/30/98
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In article <351EA3E4...@maui.net>, boot hill <ch...@maui.net>
writes
They still generally dont consider us artists, and no it's not funny.
But although the computer, graphics tablets etc. are very good aids and
tools toward airbrushing, I am one of the ones that think Airwizard is
right (personal opinion) so there are two of us now.

The dam things do it for you, so for me no satisfaction. Another point
Carl Toboika made about the human touch. I have done it all ray tracing,
graph tabs, web sites, programming c c+ c++ etc. No substitute for
paint.

Dont take the air out of air-brushing.

If you want digital as your main, I think photo-shop has a news group,

(Not that grafix tools are'nt relative at all, I use them myself)

maybe we should nip over there and see if they have anything on
airbrushing?

We used to eat 'real' food, now I understand most of it is 80 percent
genetically engineered.

We used to have many more animals and trees and rivers..... and people
used to talk of things other than ego's and money.....

Yes CHANGE is with us always, but is it always for the better?

Apparently you can also have sex on the computer too. But I know what I
like.


Call me 'old fashion' Call me anything you like.

This will probably start a war, but hey! We might even have some
REAL debate, with more than three people, or shall we all only discuss
which airbrush we use, no, I think that one is covered.

who is for ? (digital airbrush) being in alt.airbrush.art


Not I, but I think digital added on the end (alt.airbrush.art.digital)
if they so wish to stay related, as it is related.


And who is against.

A vote is fair is'nt it?

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Norvell Maples

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Mar 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/30/98
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On Sun, 29 Mar 1998 12:51:14 -0500, Airwizard
<Ralph...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>Am I the only one who thinks that computer airbrushing is NOT being an
>airbrush artist...but rather computer graphics artist...Interested in
>getting your opinions...Airwizard

They most certainly are Artist... but just not Airbrush Artist... Just
as photograhers are Artist too... just not Airbrush Artist... and
Painters are Artist... just not Airbrush Artist... and Scluptutors are
Artist just not Airbrush Artist...

So Yah I'm with you Ralph

Eya later............NorvMan

Norvell Maples

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Mar 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/30/98
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On Sun, 29 Mar 1998 17:15:32 -0800, j...@jwbart.com (J.w Baker) wrote:

>There seems to be a lot of people who agree with you on this point, but it
>all comes down to semantics

That is exactly right semantics... We say Airbrush Artist so people
can understand that we mean an Artist that uses an Airbrush... we say
Photoshop Artist so people can understand that we mean an Artist who
uses Photoshop... We say Sculptor Artist so people will understand we
mean an Artist who works in Sculpture.... we say a Clay Artist so
everyone will understand that we mean an Artist who works in Clay...

It's a simple matter of not having to reinvent the wheel... Or rewrite
the language.... If someone wants the Title of Airbrush Artist I say
let him pickup an Airbrush and learn how to Airbrush... If I want to
be known as a Digital Artist I will get my self a computer and go to
town creating art on it that will earn me the right to be called a
Digital Artist...

It's a simple thing.... I don't see the reason for making it more
complecated than it has to be... why would someone want to be called
an Airbrush Artist without knowing how to airbrush? It sounds just to
much like some kind of a used car sales mans congame....


Eya later............NorvMan

Norvell Maples

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Mar 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/30/98
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No

Your now an Airbrush Artist and a Digital Artist... Can't an artist be
more than just one thing?

I personally am an Airbrush Artist, Painter, Computer Animator,
Website Designer, and... a Digital Artist.... It's just a matter of
trying to let everyone know what it is you can do... If you just say
... I'm a Airbrush Artist... then they will automatically think 'oh he
doesn't do computer art' or O' he can't do pottery.... etc...

that's all. No big deal.


Eya later............NorvMan

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