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J
Mar 12, 2012, 10:52:59 PM3/12/12
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Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/vatican-statistics-show-catholic-growth/
Vatican City, Mar 12, 2012 / 12:25 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- The Catholic
Church added 15 million new faithful in 2010 and the number of priests
continued to steadily increase for the tenth straight year, according to
the latest edition of the pontifical yearbook.
The Catholic population increased from 1.181 billion in 2009 to 1.196
billion in 2010, a growth of 1.3 percent. The percentage of baptized
Catholics worldwide has remained steady at 17.5 percent.
Priests increased from 410,593 to 412,236. There were about 277,000
diocesan priests and 135,227 religious order priests. The growth trend
has continued since the year 2000. The number of clergy increased by
1,695 in Asia and by 765 in Africa. Growth in the Americas and Oceania
was only in the double-digits, while priest numbers fell by 905 in Europe.
The figures come from the 2012 edition of the Annuario Pontifico, known
as the pontifical yearbook, and the “Annuarium Satisticum Ecclesiae.”
These provide a statistical snapshot of the Church.
--
J Young
jdyo...@ymail.com
overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/vatican-statistics-show-catholic-growth/
Vatican City, Mar 12, 2012 / 12:25 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- The Catholic
Church added 15 million new faithful in 2010 and the number of priests
continued to steadily increase for the tenth straight year, according to
the latest edition of the pontifical yearbook.
The Catholic population increased from 1.181 billion in 2009 to 1.196
billion in 2010, a growth of 1.3 percent. The percentage of baptized
Catholics worldwide has remained steady at 17.5 percent.
Priests increased from 410,593 to 412,236. There were about 277,000
diocesan priests and 135,227 religious order priests. The growth trend
has continued since the year 2000. The number of clergy increased by
1,695 in Asia and by 765 in Africa. Growth in the Americas and Oceania
was only in the double-digits, while priest numbers fell by 905 in Europe.
The figures come from the 2012 edition of the Annuario Pontifico, known
as the pontifical yearbook, and the “Annuarium Satisticum Ecclesiae.”
These provide a statistical snapshot of the Church.
--
J Young
jdyo...@ymail.com
Kenny McCormack
Mar 13, 2012, 2:08:34 AM3/13/12
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In article <5fj2bf....@news.alt.net>, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
>overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
But they are not, given that 98% of so-called "Catholics" practice BC,
>Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
>overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
thereby putting themselves outside the Holy Church.
Calling oneself an X does not, in an of itself, make one an X. One must
meet the requirements.
--
But the Bush apologists hope that you won't remember all that. And they
also have a theory, which I've been hearing more and more - namely,
that President Obama, though not yet in office or even elected, caused the
2008 slump. You see, people were worried in advance about his future
policies, and that's what caused the economy to tank. Seriously.
(Paul Krugman - Addicted to Bush)
Daniel Hoehr
Mar 13, 2012, 3:17:13 AM3/13/12
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Am 13.03.2012 03:52, schrieb J:
> Growth in the Americas and Oceania
> was only in the double-digits, while priest numbers fell by 905 in Europe.
Doesn't suprise me. In less than fifty years, the Catholic Church over
> Growth in the Americas and Oceania
> was only in the double-digits, while priest numbers fell by 905 in Europe.
here in Europe (particularly in German, Austria and Switzerland) will
consist of a few traditionalist groups such as the SSPX or local
Ecclesia Dei communities and the odd conservative parish. The endless
debates about women as 'priests', communion for people who are divorced
and who remarried, about more 'responsibility' for lay people are
damaging the Church in Europe, especially in the German-speaking countries.
DH
Alan Ferris
Mar 13, 2012, 7:10:49 AM3/13/12
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On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:52:59 -0700, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
>overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
And most of them ignore large parts of what the church and pope
>Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
>overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
say....according to the church I am still catholic even though I have
not stepped inside a church to worship in decades.
--
Ferrit
()'.'.'()
( (T) )
( ) . ( )
(")_(")
Daniel Hoehr
Mar 13, 2012, 7:14:57 AM3/13/12
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Am 13.03.2012 12:10, schrieb Alan Ferris:
> On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:52:59 -0700, J<jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
>> Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
>> overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>> world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>
> And most of them ignore large parts of what the church and pope
> say....
Yup!
> On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:52:59 -0700, J<jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
>> Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
>> overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>> world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>
> And most of them ignore large parts of what the church and pope
> say....
DH
Alan Ferris
Mar 13, 2012, 7:15:43 AM3/13/12
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 06:08:34 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@shell.xmission.com
(Kenny McCormack) wrote:
>In article <5fj2bf....@news.alt.net>, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
>>overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>>world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>
>But they are not, given that 98% of so-called "Catholics" practice BC,
>thereby putting themselves outside the Holy Church.
Indeed, over 71% of the UK call themselves Christians, yet only about
(Kenny McCormack) wrote:
>In article <5fj2bf....@news.alt.net>, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
>>overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>>world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>
>But they are not, given that 98% of so-called "Catholics" practice BC,
>thereby putting themselves outside the Holy Church.
50% attend church ever and less than 40% attend church regularly.
Catholic churches have lost 25% attendance compared to 19% for
protestant over the last decade.
Alan Ferris
Mar 13, 2012, 7:17:15 AM3/13/12
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there has been a fall in attendance of 19% for CofE and 25% for
catholic.
Daniel Hoehr
Mar 13, 2012, 7:45:56 AM3/13/12
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1950 to 2010 (in millions) in Germany. It needs no further explanation....
http://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/2637/umfrage/anzahl-der-katholischen-gottesdienstbesucher-seit-1950/
Alan Ferris
Mar 13, 2012, 9:30:38 AM3/13/12
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 12:45:56 +0100, Daniel Hoehr
<daniel...@gmx.net> wrote:
>> Christianity is falling of in the UK as well. In the last decade
>> there has been a fall in attendance of 19% for CofE and 25% for
>> catholic.
>
>This bar chart shows the average number of people attending Mass from
>1950 to 2010 (in millions) in Germany. It needs no further explanation....
>
>http://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/2637/umfrage/anzahl-der-katholischen-gottesdienstbesucher-seit-1950/
I think the 20-25% fall is about average for most of the old churches,
<daniel...@gmx.net> wrote:
>> Christianity is falling of in the UK as well. In the last decade
>> there has been a fall in attendance of 19% for CofE and 25% for
>> catholic.
>
>This bar chart shows the average number of people attending Mass from
>1950 to 2010 (in millions) in Germany. It needs no further explanation....
>
>http://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/2637/umfrage/anzahl-der-katholischen-gottesdienstbesucher-seit-1950/
some of the new evangelical style churches have short bursts of
increases, but they do not seem to last that long before they
disappear. I think people are finding it harder and harder to accept
people telling what is right and wrong when they are capable of
thinking for themselves.
Our only growing faith appears to be the Muslim faith, they have quite
a large conversion rate from other religions.
MarkA
Mar 13, 2012, 9:46:46 AM3/13/12
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On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:52:59 -0700, J wrote:
> Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
> overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
> world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>
I wonder what percentage of them actually consider themselves Catholic, as
> Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
> overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
> world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>
opposed to the number of people the RCC *claims* are Catholic. It is
notoriously hard to be excommunicated, and, as the Monty Python song goes,
"You're a Catholic since before you were born!"
--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock
duke
Mar 13, 2012, 12:24:40 PM3/13/12
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>In article <5fj2bf....@news.alt.net>, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
>>overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>>world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>
>But they are not, given that 98% of so-called "Catholics" practice BC,
>thereby putting themselves outside the Holy Church.
No, because all mankind are sinners, including the Pope. Try discussing
>>Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
>>overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>>world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>
>But they are not, given that 98% of so-called "Catholics" practice BC,
>thereby putting themselves outside the Holy Church.
something you understand.
>Calling oneself an X does not, in an of itself, make one an X. One must
>meet the requirements.
Now don't you feel just simply stupid.
duke, American - American
*****
1 John 3:4-6
4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact,
sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he
appeared so that he might take away our sins.
And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in
him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to
sin has either seen him or known him.
*****
duke
Mar 13, 2012, 12:27:25 PM3/13/12
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 08:17:13 +0100, Daniel Hoehr <daniel...@gmx.net> wrote:
>Am 13.03.2012 03:52, schrieb J:
>
>> Growth in the Americas and Oceania
>> was only in the double-digits, while priest numbers fell by 905 in Europe.
>
>Doesn't suprise me. In less than fifty years, the Catholic Church over
>here in Europe (particularly in German, Austria and Switzerland) will
>consist of a few traditionalist groups such as the SSPX or local
>Ecclesia Dei communities and the odd conservative parish.
God spoke, we listen. To tell God he's wrong is spiritual suicide.
>Am 13.03.2012 03:52, schrieb J:
>
>> Growth in the Americas and Oceania
>> was only in the double-digits, while priest numbers fell by 905 in Europe.
>
>Doesn't suprise me. In less than fifty years, the Catholic Church over
>here in Europe (particularly in German, Austria and Switzerland) will
>consist of a few traditionalist groups such as the SSPX or local
>Ecclesia Dei communities and the odd conservative parish.
> The endless
>debates about women as 'priests
> communion for people who are divorced
>and who remarried,
accepts living in adultery, a moral sin.
> about more 'responsibility' for lay people are
>damaging the Church in Europe, especially in the German-speaking countries.
>
>DH
duke
Mar 13, 2012, 12:29:51 PM3/13/12
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 09:46:46 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:52:59 -0700, J wrote:
>
>> Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
>> overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>> world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>>
>
>I wonder what percentage of them actually consider themselves Catholic, as
>opposed to the number of people the RCC *claims* are Catholic.
> It is
>notoriously hard to be excommunicated,
Yet it's automatic in some cases, as an abortion.
>On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:52:59 -0700, J wrote:
>
>> Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
>> overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>> world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>>
>
>I wonder what percentage of them actually consider themselves Catholic, as
>opposed to the number of people the RCC *claims* are Catholic.
> It is
>notoriously hard to be excommunicated,
> and, as the Monty Python song goes,
>"You're a Catholic since before you were born!"
Harry F. Leopold
Mar 13, 2012, 1:48:47 PM3/13/12
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 08:46:46 -0500, MarkA wrote
(in article <pan.2012.03.13....@nowhere.invalid>):
> On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:52:59 -0700, J wrote:
>
>> Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
>> overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>> world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>>
>
> I wonder what percentage of them actually consider themselves Catholic, as
> opposed to the number of people the RCC *claims* are Catholic. It is
> notoriously hard to be excommunicated, and, as the Monty Python song goes,
> "You're a Catholic since before you were born!"
Yep, I am still counted as a Catholic even though I have not been one since
back in the early 1970.s. I bet that they even count you as a "practicing
Catholic" even after you die. Once you get on their list as a Catholic you
can't get off it.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
³Particle Physics porn has far too many close up shots for my liking³ -
Michael Gray
(in article <pan.2012.03.13....@nowhere.invalid>):
> On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:52:59 -0700, J wrote:
>
>> Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
>> overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>> world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>>
>
> I wonder what percentage of them actually consider themselves Catholic, as
> opposed to the number of people the RCC *claims* are Catholic. It is
> notoriously hard to be excommunicated, and, as the Monty Python song goes,
> "You're a Catholic since before you were born!"
back in the early 1970.s. I bet that they even count you as a "practicing
Catholic" even after you die. Once you get on their list as a Catholic you
can't get off it.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
³Particle Physics porn has far too many close up shots for my liking³ -
Michael Gray
W.T.S.
Mar 13, 2012, 1:57:44 PM3/13/12
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In article <07tul758ktd6ct5ah...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...
to stay married to abusive husbands. That's the real reason. "God",
being a lie, has nothing to do with it.
> http://www.imnotsorry.net
Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481
>
http://www.jennyjerrome.org/
>
http://tinyurl.com/3j3fkch
>
http://www.egalitarian.biz/Plan-B--Remedy-of-a-Lifetime.html
>
http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm
>
Breed like rabbits, live like pigs.
Live like pigs, die like rats!
>
Modern Christian: Someone who can take time out from
complaining about "welfare mothers popping out babies we
have to feed" to complain about welfare mothers getting
abortions that PREVENT more babies to be raised at public
expense.
>
http://www.imnotsorry.net
@cox.net says...
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 08:17:13 +0100, Daniel Hoehr <daniel...@gmx.net> wrote:
>
> >Am 13.03.2012 03:52, schrieb J:
> >
> >> Growth in the Americas and Oceania
> >> was only in the double-digits, while priest numbers fell by 905 in Europe.
> >
> >Doesn't suprise me. In less than fifty years, the Catholic Church over
> >here in Europe (particularly in German, Austria and Switzerland) will
> >consist of a few traditionalist groups such as the SSPX or local
> >Ecclesia Dei communities and the odd conservative parish.
>
> God spoke, we listen. To tell God he's wrong is spiritual suicide.
"God" is a lie, so you need to get back on your medications.
>
> >Am 13.03.2012 03:52, schrieb J:
> >
> >> Growth in the Americas and Oceania
> >> was only in the double-digits, while priest numbers fell by 905 in Europe.
> >
> >Doesn't suprise me. In less than fifty years, the Catholic Church over
> >here in Europe (particularly in German, Austria and Switzerland) will
> >consist of a few traditionalist groups such as the SSPX or local
> >Ecclesia Dei communities and the odd conservative parish.
>
> God spoke, we listen. To tell God he's wrong is spiritual suicide.
>
> > The endless
> >debates about women as 'priests
>
> God said "no dice". End of issue.
No, "God" is a lie. The _Pope_ said "no dice".
> > The endless
> >debates about women as 'priests
>
> God said "no dice". End of issue.
>
> > communion for people who are divorced
> >and who remarried,
>
> God said let no man put them asunder. No divorce and remarriage unless one
> accepts living in adultery, a moral sin.
Pure, lying bull shit. The Church likes the idea of women being forced
> > communion for people who are divorced
> >and who remarried,
>
> God said let no man put them asunder. No divorce and remarriage unless one
> accepts living in adultery, a moral sin.
to stay married to abusive husbands. That's the real reason. "God",
being a lie, has nothing to do with it.
>
> > about more 'responsibility' for lay people are
> >damaging the Church in Europe, especially in the German-speaking countries.
>
> Brand new one on me.
>
> >DH
>
> puke, CatholiKKK Monster.
> > about more 'responsibility' for lay people are
> >damaging the Church in Europe, especially in the German-speaking countries.
>
> Brand new one on me.
>
> >DH
>
> http://www.imnotsorry.net
Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481
>
http://www.jennyjerrome.org/
>
http://tinyurl.com/3j3fkch
>
http://www.egalitarian.biz/Plan-B--Remedy-of-a-Lifetime.html
>
http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm
>
Breed like rabbits, live like pigs.
Live like pigs, die like rats!
>
Modern Christian: Someone who can take time out from
complaining about "welfare mothers popping out babies we
have to feed" to complain about welfare mothers getting
abortions that PREVENT more babies to be raised at public
expense.
>
http://www.imnotsorry.net
Malygris
Mar 13, 2012, 2:28:21 PM3/13/12
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Harry F. Leopold wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 08:46:46 -0500, MarkA wrote
> (in article <pan.2012.03.13....@nowhere.invalid>):
>
>> On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:52:59 -0700, J wrote:
>>
>>> Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
>>> overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>>> world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>>>
>>
>> I wonder what percentage of them actually consider themselves Catholic,
>> as
>> opposed to the number of people the RCC *claims* are Catholic. It is
>> notoriously hard to be excommunicated, and, as the Monty Python song
>> goes, "You're a Catholic since before you were born!"
>
> Yep, I am still counted as a Catholic even though I have not been one
> since back in the early 1970.s. I bet that they even count you as a
> "practicing Catholic" even after you die. Once you get on their list as a
> Catholic you can't get off it.
That's the nice thing about the church tax here in Germany. You're only a
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 08:46:46 -0500, MarkA wrote
> (in article <pan.2012.03.13....@nowhere.invalid>):
>
>> On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:52:59 -0700, J wrote:
>>
>>> Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
>>> overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>>> world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>>>
>>
>> I wonder what percentage of them actually consider themselves Catholic,
>> as
>> opposed to the number of people the RCC *claims* are Catholic. It is
>> notoriously hard to be excommunicated, and, as the Monty Python song
>> goes, "You're a Catholic since before you were born!"
>
> Yep, I am still counted as a Catholic even though I have not been one
> since back in the early 1970.s. I bet that they even count you as a
> "practicing Catholic" even after you die. Once you get on their list as a
> Catholic you can't get off it.
member as long as you pay!
--
Malygris
Malygris
Mar 13, 2012, 2:29:41 PM3/13/12
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duke wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 09:46:46 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:52:59 -0700, J wrote:
>>
>>> Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
>>> overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>>> world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>>>
>>
>>I wonder what percentage of them actually consider themselves Catholic, as
>>opposed to the number of people the RCC *claims* are Catholic.
>
>> It is
>>notoriously hard to be excommunicated,
>
> Yet it's automatic in some cases, as an abortion.
As opposed to just murdering millions of people. That's no problem at all.
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 09:46:46 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:52:59 -0700, J wrote:
>>
>>> Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
>>> overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>>> world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>>>
>>
>>I wonder what percentage of them actually consider themselves Catholic, as
>>opposed to the number of people the RCC *claims* are Catholic.
>
>> It is
>>notoriously hard to be excommunicated,
>
> Yet it's automatic in some cases, as an abortion.
--
Malygris
Christopher A. Lee
Mar 13, 2012, 2:34:25 PM3/13/12
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 19:28:21 +0100, Malygris <Highlan...@gmx.de>
wrote:
I always wondered about that.
What if you refuse to pay because you don't go to church.
Are there any penalties?
Have they ever tried to punish atheists?
wrote:
What if you refuse to pay because you don't go to church.
Are there any penalties?
Have they ever tried to punish atheists?
Malygris
Mar 13, 2012, 2:51:50 PM3/13/12
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the state. You cannot withhold the money as long as you are listed as a
member of a church that is officially registerd with the state. (All
officially recognized religions can apply to have their members taxed like
that, AFAIK only the roman catholic and the protestant church of Germany
actually do so).
If you want to stop paying you have to declare your leaving the church by
filling out a form and paying a fee (!!!) at some local administration
office, then you get some official paper you can show at another local
administration office to have your tax documents changed. From the following
month on you don't pay the tax anymore and are no longer a member
of the church you were born into.
--
Malygris
default
Mar 13, 2012, 6:48:25 PM3/13/12
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On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:52:59 -0700, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
Asia and Africa - give them food, baptize them and move on. Speak
Greek or Latin when addressing the natives.... Centuries old protocol
for bolstering their stats.
Asia and Africa - give them food, baptize them and move on. Speak
Greek or Latin when addressing the natives.... Centuries old protocol
for bolstering their stats.
Paul Duca
Mar 13, 2012, 11:19:44 PM3/13/12
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On Mar 13, 12:27 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 08:17:13 +0100, Daniel Hoehr <daniel.ho...@gmx.net> wrote:
> >Am 13.03.2012 03:52, schrieb J:
>
> >> Growth in the Americas and Oceania
> >> was only in the double-digits, while priest numbers fell by 905 in Europe.
>
> >Doesn't suprise me. In less than fifty years, the Catholic Church over
> >here in Europe (particularly in German, Austria and Switzerland) will
> >consist of a few traditionalist groups such as the SSPX or local
> >Ecclesia Dei communities and the odd conservative parish.
>
> God spoke, we listen. No reward, of course, but REAL Catholics don't NEED any.
> >Am 13.03.2012 03:52, schrieb J:
>
> >> Growth in the Americas and Oceania
> >> was only in the double-digits, while priest numbers fell by 905 in Europe.
>
> >Doesn't suprise me. In less than fifty years, the Catholic Church over
> >here in Europe (particularly in German, Austria and Switzerland) will
> >consist of a few traditionalist groups such as the SSPX or local
> >Ecclesia Dei communities and the odd conservative parish.
>
>
> > communion for people who are divorced
> >and who remarried,
>
> God said let no man put them asunder. No divorce and remarriage unless one
> accepts living in adultery, a moral sin. That's why I just have one night stands (or pretend I do).
> > communion for people who are divorced
> >and who remarried,
>
> God said let no man put them asunder. No divorce and remarriage unless one
• R. L. Measures.
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In article <8tsul71s90b21ktlr...@4ax.com>, duke
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 06:08:34 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny
>McCormack) wrote:
>
>>In article <5fj2bf....@news.alt.net>, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
>>>overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>>>world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>>
>>But they are not, given that 98% of so-called "Catholics" practice BC,
>>thereby putting themselves outside the Holy Church.
>
>No, because all mankind are sinners, including the Pope. Try discussing
>something you understand.
>
>>Calling oneself an X does not, in an of itself, make one an X. One must
>>meet the requirements.
>
>According to God, only one man never sinned - Jesus Christ.
>
• He beat up puchcart merchants.
>On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 06:08:34 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny
>McCormack) wrote:
>
>>In article <5fj2bf....@news.alt.net>, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
>>>overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>>>world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>>
>>But they are not, given that 98% of so-called "Catholics" practice BC,
>>thereby putting themselves outside the Holy Church.
>
>No, because all mankind are sinners, including the Pope. Try discussing
>something you understand.
>
>>Calling oneself an X does not, in an of itself, make one an X. One must
>>meet the requirements.
>
>According to God, only one man never sinned - Jesus Christ.
>
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
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In article <07tul758ktd6ct5ah...@4ax.com>, duke
the lucre for RC divorces -- i.e., a "Decree of Nullity".
<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 08:17:13 +0100, Daniel Hoehr <daniel...@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>>Am 13.03.2012 03:52, schrieb J:
>>
>>> Growth in the Americas and Oceania
>>> was only in the double-digits, while priest numbers fell by 905 in Europe.
>>
>>Doesn't suprise me. In less than fifty years, the Catholic Church over
>>here in Europe (particularly in German, Austria and Switzerland) will
>>consist of a few traditionalist groups such as the SSPX or local
>>Ecclesia Dei communities and the odd conservative parish.
>
>God spoke, we listen. To tell God he's wrong is spiritual suicide.
>
>> The endless
>>debates about women as 'priests
>
>God said "no dice". End of issue.
>
>> communion for people who are divorced
>>and who remarried,
>
>God said let no man put them asunder. No divorce and remarriage unless one
>accepts living in adultery, a moral sin.
>
• Pat Sajak of Wheel of Fortune fame and talk show host Phil Donahue paid
>On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 08:17:13 +0100, Daniel Hoehr <daniel...@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>>Am 13.03.2012 03:52, schrieb J:
>>
>>> Growth in the Americas and Oceania
>>> was only in the double-digits, while priest numbers fell by 905 in Europe.
>>
>>Doesn't suprise me. In less than fifty years, the Catholic Church over
>>here in Europe (particularly in German, Austria and Switzerland) will
>>consist of a few traditionalist groups such as the SSPX or local
>>Ecclesia Dei communities and the odd conservative parish.
>
>God spoke, we listen. To tell God he's wrong is spiritual suicide.
>
>> The endless
>>debates about women as 'priests
>
>God said "no dice". End of issue.
>
>> communion for people who are divorced
>>and who remarried,
>
>God said let no man put them asunder. No divorce and remarriage unless one
>accepts living in adultery, a moral sin.
>
the lucre for RC divorces -- i.e., a "Decree of Nullity".
default
Mar 14, 2012, 9:23:09 AM3/14/12
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:10:49 +0000, Alan Ferris
<hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:52:59 -0700, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
>>Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
>>overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>>world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>
>And most of them ignore large parts of what the church and pope
>say....according to the church I am still catholic even though I have
>not stepped inside a church to worship in decades.
Then too they have no way of knowing who dies, unless they die in the
<hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:52:59 -0700, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
>>Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
>>overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>>world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>
>And most of them ignore large parts of what the church and pope
>say....according to the church I am still catholic even though I have
>not stepped inside a church to worship in decades.
parish they were baptized in and they cross check records (like that
happens?).
Daniel Hoehr
Mar 14, 2012, 10:10:31 AM3/14/12
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Am 13.03.2012 14:30, schrieb Alan Ferris:
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 12:45:56 +0100, Daniel Hoehr
> <daniel...@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>>> Christianity is falling of in the UK as well. In the last decade
>>> there has been a fall in attendance of 19% for CofE and 25% for
>>> catholic.
>>
>> This bar chart shows the average number of people attending Mass from
>> 1950 to 2010 (in millions) in Germany. It needs no further explanation....
>>
>> http://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/2637/umfrage/anzahl-der-katholischen-gottesdienstbesucher-seit-1950/
>
> I think the 20-25% fall is about average for most of the old churches,
> some of the new evangelical style churches have short bursts of
> increases, but they do not seem to last that long before they
> disappear. I think people are finding it harder and harder to accept
> people telling what is right and wrong when they are capable of
> thinking for themselves.
I don't think that's the main reason. The massive fall in the RCC
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 12:45:56 +0100, Daniel Hoehr
> <daniel...@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>>> Christianity is falling of in the UK as well. In the last decade
>>> there has been a fall in attendance of 19% for CofE and 25% for
>>> catholic.
>>
>> This bar chart shows the average number of people attending Mass from
>> 1950 to 2010 (in millions) in Germany. It needs no further explanation....
>>
>> http://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/2637/umfrage/anzahl-der-katholischen-gottesdienstbesucher-seit-1950/
>
> I think the 20-25% fall is about average for most of the old churches,
> some of the new evangelical style churches have short bursts of
> increases, but they do not seem to last that long before they
> disappear. I think people are finding it harder and harder to accept
> people telling what is right and wrong when they are capable of
> thinking for themselves.
happened after the 'Council' and all those wonderful 'reforms' (such as
the introduction of the Novus Ordo). In my opinion, that was the first
but most important step for the Church in the process of demolishing
itself....
Another reason is certainly the 1960's zeitgeist. People have not become
independent thinkers and never will be. They rather listen to other
people telling them what is good for them than to the Church because
there are new ideas now and more comfortable messages. Heaven and hell,
sin and salvation, you know all those big topics do not fit into the
'modern world'. The idea that many are called but few are chosen
contradicts the all-inclusive world we live in and the Church is not
even trying to sell those fundamental ideas of its teaching anymore.
Where the Mass used to be the same sacrifice as the sacrifice of Christ
on the cross, it has generally become a 'supper'. The sacrament of
penance has more or less been abolished, at least in my part of the
world. The RCC is being more and more protestantised. The dogma (!)
'extra ecclesiam nulla salus' has been more and more modified since the
'council' and doesn't seem to be part of Catholic doctrine anymore and
people hope to find salvation elsewhere (if they still believe that they
have an immortal soul).
Christianity has become 'unfashionable' and the Church has contributed
to that. The Catholic communities that are indeed attracting young
people and where young men still join seminaries are the traditionalist
groups such as the SSPX.
> Our only growing faith appears to be the Muslim faith, they have quite
> a large conversion rate from other religions.
a cloud and singing 'halleluja' for all eternity ;-)
DH
ilbe...@gmail.com
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On Mar 12, 9:52 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
> Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
> overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
> world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>
> http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/vatican-statistics-show-cathol...
> Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
> overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
> world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>
>
> Vatican City, Mar 12, 2012 / 12:25 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- The Catholic
> Church added 15 million new faithful in 2010 and the number of priests
> continued to steadily increase for the tenth straight year, according to
> the latest edition of the pontifical yearbook.
>
> The Catholic population increased from 1.181 billion in 2009 to 1.196
> billion in 2010, a growth of 1.3 percent. The percentage of baptized
> Catholics worldwide has remained steady at 17.5 percent.
>
> Priests increased from 410,593 to 412,236. There were about 277,000
> diocesan priests and 135,227 religious order priests. The growth trend
> has continued since the year 2000. The number of clergy increased by
> 1,695 in Asia and by 765 in Africa. Growth in the Americas and Oceania
> was only in the double-digits, while priest numbers fell by 905 in Europe.
>
> The figures come from the 2012 edition of the Annuario Pontifico, known
> as the pontifical yearbook, and the “Annuarium Satisticum Ecclesiae.”
> These provide a statistical snapshot of the Church.
> --
> J Young
> jdyou...@ymail.com
> Vatican City, Mar 12, 2012 / 12:25 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- The Catholic
> Church added 15 million new faithful in 2010 and the number of priests
> continued to steadily increase for the tenth straight year, according to
> the latest edition of the pontifical yearbook.
>
> The Catholic population increased from 1.181 billion in 2009 to 1.196
> billion in 2010, a growth of 1.3 percent. The percentage of baptized
> Catholics worldwide has remained steady at 17.5 percent.
>
> Priests increased from 410,593 to 412,236. There were about 277,000
> diocesan priests and 135,227 religious order priests. The growth trend
> has continued since the year 2000. The number of clergy increased by
> 1,695 in Asia and by 765 in Africa. Growth in the Americas and Oceania
> was only in the double-digits, while priest numbers fell by 905 in Europe.
>
> The figures come from the 2012 edition of the Annuario Pontifico, known
> as the pontifical yearbook, and the “Annuarium Satisticum Ecclesiae.”
> These provide a statistical snapshot of the Church.
> --
> J Young
2 billion people who , shockingly, are following the 'gospel' of
Rome instead of the real Gospel of Christ ... the only one that is
capable of saving a person from their sins (Faith alone in what Christ
accomplished...and NOT what we can add to it thru deeds, works, doing
sacraments and rituals) . Galatians 1:6-10 is the warning on this.
duke
Mar 14, 2012, 3:11:19 PM3/14/12
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duke
Mar 14, 2012, 3:12:36 PM3/14/12
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that a valid marriage was not there.
duke
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the Church's participation.
Hannele
Mar 14, 2012, 6:02:53 PM3/14/12
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--
Hannele, A.A #2211
There are at least as many gods as there are believers.
• R. L. Measures.
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In article <i9r1m7dmpneteoe01...@4ax.com>, duke
<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:30:34 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
>>In article <8tsul71s90b21ktlr...@4ax.com>, duke
>><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 06:08:34 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny
>>>McCormack) wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <5fj2bf....@news.alt.net>, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>>Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
>>>>>overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>>>>>world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>>>>
>>>>But they are not, given that 98% of so-called "Catholics" practice BC,
>>>>thereby putting themselves outside the Holy Church.
>>>
>>>No, because all mankind are sinners, including the Pope. Try discussing
>>>something you understand.
>>>
>>>>Calling oneself an X does not, in an of itself, make one an X. One must
>>>>meet the requirements.
>>>
>>>According to God, only one man never sinned - Jesus Christ.
>>>
>>• He beat up puchcart merchants.
>
>They were desecrating his Father's house. Good for him.
>
• Does it make sense that Jesus would tear down his father's house?
>On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:30:34 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
>>In article <8tsul71s90b21ktlr...@4ax.com>, duke
>><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 06:08:34 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny
>>>McCormack) wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <5fj2bf....@news.alt.net>, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>>Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
>>>>>overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>>>>>world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>>>>
>>>>But they are not, given that 98% of so-called "Catholics" practice BC,
>>>>thereby putting themselves outside the Holy Church.
>>>
>>>No, because all mankind are sinners, including the Pope. Try discussing
>>>something you understand.
>>>
>>>>Calling oneself an X does not, in an of itself, make one an X. One must
>>>>meet the requirements.
>>>
>>>According to God, only one man never sinned - Jesus Christ.
>>>
>>• He beat up puchcart merchants.
>
>They were desecrating his Father's house. Good for him.
>
• R. L. Measures.
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In article <4br1m7t16rvr6l7td...@4ax.com>, duke
• LIP SERVICE. There were children from the union that had been
baptised Catholic.
Were the baptisms cancelled after the marriage was nullified by the RCC?
. Locally, the Borchard fanily got a Decree of Nullity for their
daughter Monica after donating $1.5-million to the local Catholic seminary
that I can see from my back yard.
baptised Catholic.
Were the baptisms cancelled after the marriage was nullified by the RCC?
. Locally, the Borchard fanily got a Decree of Nullity for their
daughter Monica after donating $1.5-million to the local Catholic seminary
that I can see from my back yard.
• R. L. Measures.
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In article <op.wa6ku...@laptophannele.lan>, Hannele
�€ Grand theft donkey?
Paul Duca
Mar 14, 2012, 9:12:29 PM3/14/12
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On Mar 14, 3:11 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:30:34 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
>
>
> >In article <8tsul71s90b21ktlr0bt31n7rg72vj5...@4ax.com>, duke
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:30:34 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
>
>
> ><duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >>On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 06:08:34 +0000 (UTC), gaze...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny
> >>McCormack) wrote:
>
> >>>In article <5fj2bf.bna.1...@news.alt.net>, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
> >>>>Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
> >>>>overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
> >>>>world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>
> >>>But they are not, given that 98% of so-called "Catholics" practice BC,
> >>>thereby putting themselves outside the Holy Church.
>
> >>No, because all mankind are sinners, including the Pope. Try discussing
> >>something you understand.
>
> >>>Calling oneself an X does not, in an of itself, make one an X. One must
> >>>meet the requirements.
>
> >>According to God, only one man never sinned - Jesus Christ.
>
> >• He beat up puchcart merchants.
>
> They were desecrating his Father's house. Good for him. He. like me, will be content in Father's sub-basement.
> >>>In article <5fj2bf.bna.1...@news.alt.net>, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
> >>>>Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
> >>>>overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
> >>>>world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>
> >>>But they are not, given that 98% of so-called "Catholics" practice BC,
> >>>thereby putting themselves outside the Holy Church.
>
> >>No, because all mankind are sinners, including the Pope. Try discussing
> >>something you understand.
>
> >>>Calling oneself an X does not, in an of itself, make one an X. One must
> >>>meet the requirements.
>
> >>According to God, only one man never sinned - Jesus Christ.
>
> >• He beat up puchcart merchants.
>
duke
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duke
Mar 15, 2012, 8:18:33 AM3/15/12
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>Were the baptisms cancelled after the marriage was nullified by the RCC?
>. Locally, the Borchard fanily got a Decree of Nullity for their
>daughter Monica after donating $1.5-million to the local Catholic seminary
>that I can see from my back yard.
MarkA
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On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:13:50 -0500, duke wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 19:29:41 +0100, Malygris <Highlan...@gmx.de>
> wrote:
>
>>duke wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 09:46:46 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:52:59 -0700, J wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
>>>>> overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>>>>> world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>I wonder what percentage of them actually consider themselves Catholic,
>>>>as opposed to the number of people the RCC *claims* are Catholic.
>>>
>>>> It is
>>>>notoriously hard to be excommunicated,
>>>
>>> Yet it's automatic in some cases, as an abortion.
>>
>>As opposed to just murdering millions of people. That's no problem at
>>all.
>
> No, I would say that any murder is an automatic excommunication with or
> without the Church's participation.
>
You just have to be careful about how you define "murder." For example,
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 19:29:41 +0100, Malygris <Highlan...@gmx.de>
> wrote:
>
>>duke wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 09:46:46 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:52:59 -0700, J wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
>>>>> overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>>>>> world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>I wonder what percentage of them actually consider themselves Catholic,
>>>>as opposed to the number of people the RCC *claims* are Catholic.
>>>
>>>> It is
>>>>notoriously hard to be excommunicated,
>>>
>>> Yet it's automatic in some cases, as an abortion.
>>
>>As opposed to just murdering millions of people. That's no problem at
>>all.
>
> No, I would say that any murder is an automatic excommunication with or
> without the Church's participation.
>
torturing people to death because they won't accept the doctrine of the
Trinity isn't "murder", is it?
--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock
• R. L. Measures.
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In article <jdn3m7d7tm37gk3q9...@4ax.com>, duke
"We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and
within three days I will build another made without hands."
<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 15:57:55 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
>>In article <i9r1m7dmpneteoe01...@4ax.com>, duke
>><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:30:34 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <8tsul71s90b21ktlr...@4ax.com>, duke
>>>><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 06:08:34 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny
>>>>>McCormack) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>In article <5fj2bf....@news.alt.net>, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
>>>>>>>overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>>>>>>>world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But they are not, given that 98% of so-called "Catholics" practice BC,
>>>>>>thereby putting themselves outside the Holy Church.
>>>>>
>>>>>No, because all mankind are sinners, including the Pope. Try discussing
>>>>>something you understand.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Calling oneself an X does not, in an of itself, make one an X. One must
>>>>>>meet the requirements.
>>>>>
>>>>>According to God, only one man never sinned - Jesus Christ.
>>>>>
>>>>• He beat up puchcart merchants.
>>>
>>>They were desecrating his Father's house. Good for him.
>>>
>>• Does it make sense that Jesus would tear down his father's house?
>
>He didn't. He threw out the desecrators.
• Mark 14:58:
>On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 15:57:55 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
>>In article <i9r1m7dmpneteoe01...@4ax.com>, duke
>><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:30:34 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <8tsul71s90b21ktlr...@4ax.com>, duke
>>>><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 06:08:34 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny
>>>>>McCormack) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>In article <5fj2bf....@news.alt.net>, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
>>>>>>>overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>>>>>>>world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But they are not, given that 98% of so-called "Catholics" practice BC,
>>>>>>thereby putting themselves outside the Holy Church.
>>>>>
>>>>>No, because all mankind are sinners, including the Pope. Try discussing
>>>>>something you understand.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Calling oneself an X does not, in an of itself, make one an X. One must
>>>>>>meet the requirements.
>>>>>
>>>>>According to God, only one man never sinned - Jesus Christ.
>>>>>
>>>>• He beat up puchcart merchants.
>>>
>>>They were desecrating his Father's house. Good for him.
>>>
>>• Does it make sense that Jesus would tear down his father's house?
>
>He didn't. He threw out the desecrators.
"We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and
within three days I will build another made without hands."
• R. L. Measures.
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Les Hellawell
Mar 15, 2012, 9:29:35 AM3/15/12
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On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:11:19 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:30:34 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
>>In article <8tsul71s90b21ktlr...@4ax.com>, duke
>><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 06:08:34 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny
>>>McCormack) wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <5fj2bf....@news.alt.net>, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>>Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
>>>>>overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>>>>>world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>>>>
>>>>But they are not, given that 98% of so-called "Catholics" practice BC,
>>>>thereby putting themselves outside the Holy Church.
>>>
>>>No, because all mankind are sinners, including the Pope. Try discussing
>>>something you understand.
>>>
>>>>Calling oneself an X does not, in an of itself, make one an X. One must
>>>>meet the requirements.
>>>
>>>According to God, only one man never sinned - Jesus Christ.
>>>
>>• He beat up puchcart merchants.
>
>They were desecrating his Father's house. Good for him.
Gratuitous violence praised I see.
>On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:30:34 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
>>In article <8tsul71s90b21ktlr...@4ax.com>, duke
>><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 06:08:34 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny
>>>McCormack) wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <5fj2bf....@news.alt.net>, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>>Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
>>>>>overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>>>>>world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>>>>
>>>>But they are not, given that 98% of so-called "Catholics" practice BC,
>>>>thereby putting themselves outside the Holy Church.
>>>
>>>No, because all mankind are sinners, including the Pope. Try discussing
>>>something you understand.
>>>
>>>>Calling oneself an X does not, in an of itself, make one an X. One must
>>>>meet the requirements.
>>>
>>>According to God, only one man never sinned - Jesus Christ.
>>>
>>• He beat up puchcart merchants.
>
>They were desecrating his Father's house. Good for him.
Not untypical from a Christian of course.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE - The county of broad Acres
"Fear God and honour the King
Or to these stocks I will you bring"
- message on the stocks at Dunwich
A priest there who was convicted of rape
in 1407 got away with a fine
pnyikos
Mar 15, 2012, 11:41:09 PM3/15/12
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On Mar 15, 9:22 am, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
> In article <jdn3m7d7tm37gk3q9djd638j5ev6veg...@4ax.com>, duke
> >>>><duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>>On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 06:08:34 +0000 (UTC), gaze...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny
> >>>>>McCormack) wrote:
I've said things I've never said. Some of their lies are hard to
combat because they twist things I said rather than simply making up
pure fantasy.
Fulton Oursler, in his semi-fictitious _The Greatest Story Ever Told_,
has a long scene in Jesus's trial by the Sanhedrin, where he has
Joseph of Arimathea cogently explain why three witnesses did NOT
agree. One of them said the above, one of them claimed Jesus said he
was *able* to do that, and the third quoted Jesus as saying, "Destroy
this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."
You can find that last bit attributed to Jesus himself in one of the
Gospels, together with the explanation that Jesus was talking about
"the temple of his body."
Peter Nyikos
> In article <jdn3m7d7tm37gk3q9djd638j5ev6veg...@4ax.com>, duke
>
>
>
>
>
> <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 15:57:55 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
> >>In article <i9r1m7dmpneteoe01ahcq79rmc4cflt...@4ax.com>, duke
>
>
>
>
> <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 15:57:55 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
> >><duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >>>On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:30:34 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
> >>>>In article <8tsul71s90b21ktlr0bt31n7rg72vj5...@4ax.com>, duke
>
> >>>On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:30:34 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
> >>>><duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>>On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 06:08:34 +0000 (UTC), gaze...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny
> >>>>>McCormack) wrote:
>
> >>>>>>In article <5fj2bf.bna.1...@news.alt.net>, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
> >>>>>>>overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
> >>>>>>>world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>
> >>>>>>But they are not, given that 98% of so-called "Catholics" practice BC,
> >>>>>>thereby putting themselves outside the Holy Church.
>
> >>>>>No, because all mankind are sinners, including the Pope. Try discussing
> >>>>>something you understand.
>
> >>>>>>Calling oneself an X does not, in an of itself, make one an X. One must
> >>>>>>meet the requirements.
>
> >>>>>According to God, only one man never sinned - Jesus Christ.
>
> >>>>• He beat up puchcart merchants.
>
> >>>They were desecrating his Father's house. Good for him.
>
> >>• Does it make sense that Jesus would tear down his father's house?
>
> >He didn't. He threw out the desecrators.
>
> • Mark 14:58:
> "We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and
> within three days I will build another made without hands."
Yeah, and there are lots of false witnesses on Usenet who allege that
> >>>>>>In article <5fj2bf.bna.1...@news.alt.net>, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
> >>>>>>>overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
> >>>>>>>world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>
> >>>>>>But they are not, given that 98% of so-called "Catholics" practice BC,
> >>>>>>thereby putting themselves outside the Holy Church.
>
> >>>>>No, because all mankind are sinners, including the Pope. Try discussing
> >>>>>something you understand.
>
> >>>>>>Calling oneself an X does not, in an of itself, make one an X. One must
> >>>>>>meet the requirements.
>
> >>>>>According to God, only one man never sinned - Jesus Christ.
>
> >>>>• He beat up puchcart merchants.
>
> >>>They were desecrating his Father's house. Good for him.
>
> >>• Does it make sense that Jesus would tear down his father's house?
>
> >He didn't. He threw out the desecrators.
>
> • Mark 14:58:
> "We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and
> within three days I will build another made without hands."
I've said things I've never said. Some of their lies are hard to
combat because they twist things I said rather than simply making up
pure fantasy.
Fulton Oursler, in his semi-fictitious _The Greatest Story Ever Told_,
has a long scene in Jesus's trial by the Sanhedrin, where he has
Joseph of Arimathea cogently explain why three witnesses did NOT
agree. One of them said the above, one of them claimed Jesus said he
was *able* to do that, and the third quoted Jesus as saying, "Destroy
this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."
You can find that last bit attributed to Jesus himself in one of the
Gospels, together with the explanation that Jesus was talking about
"the temple of his body."
Peter Nyikos
pnyikos
Mar 15, 2012, 11:47:40 PM3/15/12
to nyi...@bellsouth.net
On Mar 13, 12:27 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
the authority to ordain women priests. So it would be better to say,
"God didn't give the RCC the dice."
And there is nothing there that rules out God making a miracle in
which it becomes clear that the Church does have the authority after
all.
Personally, I don't see why the RCC doesn't ordain women deacons.
There are deaconesses in the NT.
I've heard it claimed that these were actually like subdeacons, but
hey -- some subdeacons had enormous power in the RCC in the Middle
Ages. Why not have women subdeacons?
Peter Nyikos
Professor, Dept. of Mathematics -- standard disclaimer--
University of South Carolina
http://www.math.sc.edu/~nyikos/
nyikos @ math.sc.edu
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 08:17:13 +0100, Daniel Hoehr <daniel.ho...@gmx.net> wrote:
> > The endless
> >debates about women as 'priests
>
> God said "no dice". End of issue.
Not the way the Pope put it. Pope JPII said that the RCC does not have
> > The endless
> >debates about women as 'priests
>
> God said "no dice". End of issue.
the authority to ordain women priests. So it would be better to say,
"God didn't give the RCC the dice."
And there is nothing there that rules out God making a miracle in
which it becomes clear that the Church does have the authority after
all.
Personally, I don't see why the RCC doesn't ordain women deacons.
There are deaconesses in the NT.
I've heard it claimed that these were actually like subdeacons, but
hey -- some subdeacons had enormous power in the RCC in the Middle
Ages. Why not have women subdeacons?
Peter Nyikos
Professor, Dept. of Mathematics -- standard disclaimer--
University of South Carolina
http://www.math.sc.edu/~nyikos/
nyikos @ math.sc.edu
Rockinghorse Winner
Mar 16, 2012, 3:49:45 AM3/16/12
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* It may have been the liquor talking, but
Daniel Hoehr <daniel...@gmx.net> wrote:
> Am 13.03.2012 12:17, schrieb Alan Ferris:
>> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 08:17:13 +0100, Daniel Hoehr
>>> debates about women as 'priests', communion for people who are divorced
>>> and who remarried, about more 'responsibility' for lay people are
>>> damaging the Church in Europe, especially in the German-speaking countries
in developing countries: Asia and Africa, most notably. Also, China is now
officially off limits to evangelism. What opportunities for the Church when
it finally becomes free and open!
Terry
--
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats."
-Albert Schweitzer
badass linux - gentoo 3.2.1
Daniel Hoehr <daniel...@gmx.net> wrote:
> Am 13.03.2012 12:17, schrieb Alan Ferris:
>> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 08:17:13 +0100, Daniel Hoehr
>> <daniel...@gmx.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Am 13.03.2012 03:52, schrieb J:
>>>
>>>> Growth in the Americas and Oceania
>>>> was only in the double-digits, while priest numbers fell by 905 in Europe.
>>>
>>> Doesn't suprise me. In less than fifty years, the Catholic Church over
>>> here in Europe (particularly in German, Austria and Switzerland) will
>>> consist of a few traditionalist groups such as the SSPX or local
>>> Ecclesia Dei communities and the odd conservative parish. The endless
>>
>>> Am 13.03.2012 03:52, schrieb J:
>>>
>>>> Growth in the Americas and Oceania
>>>> was only in the double-digits, while priest numbers fell by 905 in Europe.
>>>
>>> Doesn't suprise me. In less than fifty years, the Catholic Church over
>>> here in Europe (particularly in German, Austria and Switzerland) will
>>> consist of a few traditionalist groups such as the SSPX or local
>>> debates about women as 'priests', communion for people who are divorced
>>> and who remarried, about more 'responsibility' for lay people are
>>> damaging the Church in Europe, especially in the German-speaking countries
>>
>> Christianity is falling of in the UK as well. In the last decade
>> there has been a fall in attendance of 19% for CofE and 25% for
>> catholic.
>
> This bar chart shows the average number of people attending Mass from
> 1950 to 2010 (in millions) in Germany. It needs no further explanation....
>
> http://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/2637/umfrage/anzahl-der-katholischen-gottesdienstbesucher-seit-1950/
>
The Church is more than making up for the losses in Europe by their growth
>> Christianity is falling of in the UK as well. In the last decade
>> there has been a fall in attendance of 19% for CofE and 25% for
>> catholic.
>
> This bar chart shows the average number of people attending Mass from
> 1950 to 2010 (in millions) in Germany. It needs no further explanation....
>
> http://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/2637/umfrage/anzahl-der-katholischen-gottesdienstbesucher-seit-1950/
>
in developing countries: Asia and Africa, most notably. Also, China is now
officially off limits to evangelism. What opportunities for the Church when
it finally becomes free and open!
Terry
--
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats."
-Albert Schweitzer
badass linux - gentoo 3.2.1
Les Hellawell
Mar 16, 2012, 3:58:07 AM3/16/12
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>has a long scene in Jesus's trial by the Sanhedrin, where he has
>Joseph of Arimathea cogently explain why three witnesses did NOT
>agree. One of them said the above, one of them claimed Jesus said he
>was *able* to do that, and the third quoted Jesus as saying, "Destroy
>this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."
>
>You can find that last bit attributed to Jesus himself in one of the
>Gospels, together with the explanation that Jesus was talking about
>"the temple of his body."
in a fiction newsgroup and not crossposted to alt.atheism
where we are only interested in things real and actual.
__
• R. L. Measures.
Mar 16, 2012, 6:42:57 AM3/16/12
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In article
<617ba887-a37e-46b8...@b18g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
pnyikos <nyi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>On Mar 15, 9:22=A0am, r...@somis.org (=95 R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>> In article <jdn3m7d7tm37gk3q9djd638j5ev6veg...@4ax.com>, duke
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 15:57:55 -0700, r...@somis.org (=95 R. L. Measures.)=
> (Kenny
>> >>>>>McCormack) wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>In article <5fj2bf.bna.1...@news.alt.net>, J =A0<jdyou...@ymail.com=
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, i=
>ussing
>> >>>>>something you understand.
>>
>> >>>>>>Calling oneself an X does not, in an of itself, make one an X. =A0O=
>>
>> >>>They were desecrating his Father's house. =A0Good for him.
>>
>> >>=95 =A0Does it make sense that Jesus would tear down his father's house=
>?
>>
>> >He didn't. =A0He threw out the desecrators.
>>
>> =95 =A0Mark 14:58:
>> "We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, an=
credible. Without the money exchangers the Jerusalem temple would have
been headed for bankruptsy.
<617ba887-a37e-46b8...@b18g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
pnyikos <nyi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>On Mar 15, 9:22=A0am, r...@somis.org (=95 R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>> In article <jdn3m7d7tm37gk3q9djd638j5ev6veg...@4ax.com>, duke
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> wrote:
>>
>> >>In article <i9r1m7dmpneteoe01ahcq79rmc4cflt...@4ax.com>, duke
>> >><duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> >>>On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:30:34 -0700, r...@somis.org (=95 R. L. Measures=
>>
>> >>In article <i9r1m7dmpneteoe01ahcq79rmc4cflt...@4ax.com>, duke
>> >><duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>.) wrote:
>>
>> >>>>In article <8tsul71s90b21ktlr0bt31n7rg72vj5...@4ax.com>, duke
>> >>>><duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 06:08:34 +0000 (UTC), gaze...@shell.xmission.com=
>>
>> >>>>In article <8tsul71s90b21ktlr0bt31n7rg72vj5...@4ax.com>, duke
>> >>>><duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
> (Kenny
>> >>>>>McCormack) wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>In article <5fj2bf.bna.1...@news.alt.net>, J =A0<jdyou...@ymail.com=
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, i=
>s
>> >>>>>>>overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>> >>>>>>>world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>>
>> >>>>>>But they are not, given that 98% of so-called "Catholics" practice =
>> >>>>>>>overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>> >>>>>>>world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>>
>BC,
>> >>>>>>thereby putting themselves outside the Holy Church.
>>
>> >>>>>No, because all mankind are sinners, including the Pope. =A0Try disc=
>> >>>>>>thereby putting themselves outside the Holy Church.
>>
>ussing
>> >>>>>something you understand.
>>
>> >>>>>>Calling oneself an X does not, in an of itself, make one an X. =A0O=
>ne must
>> >>>>>>meet the requirements.
>>
>> >>>>>According to God, only one man never sinned - Jesus Christ.
>>
>> >>>>=95 =A0He beat up puchcart merchants.
>> >>>>>>meet the requirements.
>>
>> >>>>>According to God, only one man never sinned - Jesus Christ.
>>
>>
>> >>>They were desecrating his Father's house. =A0Good for him.
>>
>> >>=95 =A0Does it make sense that Jesus would tear down his father's house=
>?
>>
>> >He didn't. =A0He threw out the desecrators.
>>
>> =95 =A0Mark 14:58:
>> "We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, an=
>d
>> within three days I will build another made without hands."
>
>Yeah, and there are lots of false witnesses on Usenet who allege that
>I've said things I've never said. Some of their lies are hard to
>combat because they twist things I said rather than simply making up
>pure fantasy.
>
>Fulton Oursler, in his semi-fictitious _The Greatest Story Ever Told_,
>has a long scene in Jesus's trial by the Sanhedrin, where he has
>Joseph of Arimathea cogently explain why three witnesses did NOT
>agree. One of them said the above, one of them claimed Jesus said he
>was *able* to do that, and the third quoted Jesus as saying, "Destroy
>this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."
>
>You can find that last bit attributed to Jesus himself in one of the
>Gospels, together with the explanation that Jesus was talking about
>"the temple of his body."
>
>Peter Nyikos
** I find the story of him assaulting the money exchange merchants not
>> within three days I will build another made without hands."
>
>Yeah, and there are lots of false witnesses on Usenet who allege that
>I've said things I've never said. Some of their lies are hard to
>combat because they twist things I said rather than simply making up
>pure fantasy.
>
>Fulton Oursler, in his semi-fictitious _The Greatest Story Ever Told_,
>has a long scene in Jesus's trial by the Sanhedrin, where he has
>Joseph of Arimathea cogently explain why three witnesses did NOT
>agree. One of them said the above, one of them claimed Jesus said he
>was *able* to do that, and the third quoted Jesus as saying, "Destroy
>this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."
>
>You can find that last bit attributed to Jesus himself in one of the
>Gospels, together with the explanation that Jesus was talking about
>"the temple of his body."
>
>Peter Nyikos
credible. Without the money exchangers the Jerusalem temple would have
been headed for bankruptsy.
• R. L. Measures.
Mar 16, 2012, 6:47:58 AM3/16/12
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In article
<0bdfdef1-7b9b-4a0a...@l7g2000vbw.googlegroups.com>,
pnyikos <nyi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>On Mar 13, 12:27=A0pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 08:17:13 +0100, Daniel Hoehr <daniel.ho...@gmx.net> w=
pedophile priests?
>
>Personally, I don't see why the RCC doesn't ordain women deacons.
>There are deaconesses in the NT.
>
• hetero altar-boys might like it.
<0bdfdef1-7b9b-4a0a...@l7g2000vbw.googlegroups.com>,
pnyikos <nyi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>On Mar 13, 12:27=A0pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 08:17:13 +0100, Daniel Hoehr <daniel.ho...@gmx.net> w=
>rote:
>
>> > The endless
>> >debates about women as 'priests
>>
>> God said "no dice". =A0End of issue.
>
>> > The endless
>> >debates about women as 'priests
>>
>
>Not the way the Pope put it. Pope JPII said that the RCC does not have
>the authority to ordain women priests. So it would be better to say,
>"God didn't give the RCC the dice."
>
>And there is nothing there that rules out God making a miracle in
>which it becomes clear that the Church does have the authority after
>all.
• How much authority can an organization have that tolerated and abetted
>Not the way the Pope put it. Pope JPII said that the RCC does not have
>the authority to ordain women priests. So it would be better to say,
>"God didn't give the RCC the dice."
>
>And there is nothing there that rules out God making a miracle in
>which it becomes clear that the Church does have the authority after
>all.
pedophile priests?
>
>Personally, I don't see why the RCC doesn't ordain women deacons.
>There are deaconesses in the NT.
>
duke
Mar 16, 2012, 8:09:09 AM3/16/12
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duke
Mar 16, 2012, 8:10:44 AM3/16/12
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duke
Mar 16, 2012, 8:11:29 AM3/16/12
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duke
Mar 16, 2012, 8:12:01 AM3/16/12
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 13:29:35 +0000, Les Hellawell <les...@here.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:11:19 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:30:34 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <8tsul71s90b21ktlr...@4ax.com>, duke
>>><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 06:08:34 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny
>>>>McCormack) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In article <5fj2bf....@news.alt.net>, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
>>>>>>overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>>>>>>world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>>>>>
>>>>>But they are not, given that 98% of so-called "Catholics" practice BC,
>>>>>thereby putting themselves outside the Holy Church.
>>>>
>>>>No, because all mankind are sinners, including the Pope. Try discussing
>>>>something you understand.
>>>>
>>>>>Calling oneself an X does not, in an of itself, make one an X. One must
>>>>>meet the requirements.
>>>>
>>>>According to God, only one man never sinned - Jesus Christ.
>>>>
>>>• He beat up puchcart merchants.
>>
>>They were desecrating his Father's house. Good for him.
>
>Gratuitous violence praised I see.
You'd do the same. Jesus taught you well.
>On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:11:19 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:30:34 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <8tsul71s90b21ktlr...@4ax.com>, duke
>>><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 06:08:34 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny
>>>>McCormack) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In article <5fj2bf....@news.alt.net>, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
>>>>>>overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>>>>>>world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>>>>>
>>>>>But they are not, given that 98% of so-called "Catholics" practice BC,
>>>>>thereby putting themselves outside the Holy Church.
>>>>
>>>>No, because all mankind are sinners, including the Pope. Try discussing
>>>>something you understand.
>>>>
>>>>>Calling oneself an X does not, in an of itself, make one an X. One must
>>>>>meet the requirements.
>>>>
>>>>According to God, only one man never sinned - Jesus Christ.
>>>>
>>>• He beat up puchcart merchants.
>>
>>They were desecrating his Father's house. Good for him.
>
>Gratuitous violence praised I see.
duke
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duke
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 20:47:40 -0700 (PDT), pnyikos <nyi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>On Mar 13, 12:27 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 08:17:13 +0100, Daniel Hoehr <daniel.ho...@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>> > The endless
>> >debates about women as 'priests
>>
>> God said "no dice". End of issue.
>
>Not the way the Pope put it. Pope JPII said that the RCC does not have
>the authority to ordain women priests. So it would be better to say,
>"God didn't give the RCC the dice."
Which is why I said "no dice".
>On Mar 13, 12:27 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 08:17:13 +0100, Daniel Hoehr <daniel.ho...@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>> > The endless
>> >debates about women as 'priests
>>
>> God said "no dice". End of issue.
>
>Not the way the Pope put it. Pope JPII said that the RCC does not have
>the authority to ordain women priests. So it would be better to say,
>"God didn't give the RCC the dice."
>And there is nothing there that rules out God making a miracle in
>which it becomes clear that the Church does have the authority after
>all.
right after.
>Personally, I don't see why the RCC doesn't ordain women deacons.
>There are deaconesses in the NT.
>I've heard it claimed that these were actually like subdeacons, but
>hey -- some subdeacons had enormous power in the RCC in the Middle
>Ages. Why not have women subdeacons?
anyway.
duke
Mar 16, 2012, 8:18:08 AM3/16/12
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On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 03:47:58 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>In article
><0bdfdef1-7b9b-4a0a...@l7g2000vbw.googlegroups.com>,
>pnyikos <nyi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>On Mar 13, 12:27=A0pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 08:17:13 +0100, Daniel Hoehr <daniel.ho...@gmx.net> w=
>>rote:
>>
>>> > The endless
>>> >debates about women as 'priests
>>>
>>> God said "no dice". =A0End of issue.
>>
>>Not the way the Pope put it. Pope JPII said that the RCC does not have
>>the authority to ordain women priests. So it would be better to say,
>>"God didn't give the RCC the dice."
>>
>>And there is nothing there that rules out God making a miracle in
>>which it becomes clear that the Church does have the authority after
>>all.
>
>• How much authority can an organization have that tolerated and abetted
>pedophile priests?
They never did such.
>In article
><0bdfdef1-7b9b-4a0a...@l7g2000vbw.googlegroups.com>,
>pnyikos <nyi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>On Mar 13, 12:27=A0pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 08:17:13 +0100, Daniel Hoehr <daniel.ho...@gmx.net> w=
>>rote:
>>
>>> > The endless
>>> >debates about women as 'priests
>>>
>>> God said "no dice". =A0End of issue.
>>
>>Not the way the Pope put it. Pope JPII said that the RCC does not have
>>the authority to ordain women priests. So it would be better to say,
>>"God didn't give the RCC the dice."
>>
>>And there is nothing there that rules out God making a miracle in
>>which it becomes clear that the Church does have the authority after
>>all.
>
>• How much authority can an organization have that tolerated and abetted
>pedophile priests?
>>Personally, I don't see why the RCC doesn't ordain women deacons.
>>There are deaconesses in the NT.
>• hetero altar-boys might like it.
duke
Mar 16, 2012, 8:20:05 AM3/16/12
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differently from today. Heresy was then considered a capital punishment.
default
Mar 16, 2012, 9:21:14 AM3/16/12
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On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 00:49:45 -0700, Rockinghorse Winner
<rwinner@remove_this.hmamail.com> wrote:
>The Church is more than making up for the losses in Europe by their growth
>in developing countries: Asia and Africa, most notably. Also, China is now
>officially off limits to evangelism. What opportunities for the Church when
>it finally becomes free and open!
>
>Terry
Interesting choice of words - "free and open." The church is neither
<rwinner@remove_this.hmamail.com> wrote:
>The Church is more than making up for the losses in Europe by their growth
>in developing countries: Asia and Africa, most notably. Also, China is now
>officially off limits to evangelism. What opportunities for the Church when
>it finally becomes free and open!
>
>Terry
free or open....
Les Hellawell
Mar 16, 2012, 8:30:01 AM3/16/12
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On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 07:12:01 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 13:29:35 +0000, Les Hellawell <les...@here.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:11:19 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:30:34 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <8tsul71s90b21ktlr...@4ax.com>, duke
>>>><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 06:08:34 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny
>>>>>McCormack) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>In article <5fj2bf....@news.alt.net>, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
>>>>>>>overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>>>>>>>world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But they are not, given that 98% of so-called "Catholics" practice BC,
>>>>>>thereby putting themselves outside the Holy Church.
>>>>>
>>>>>No, because all mankind are sinners, including the Pope. Try discussing
>>>>>something you understand.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Calling oneself an X does not, in an of itself, make one an X. One must
>>>>>>meet the requirements.
>>>>>
>>>>>According to God, only one man never sinned - Jesus Christ.
>>>>>
>>>>• He beat up puchcart merchants.
>>>
>>>They were desecrating his Father's house. Good for him.
>>
>>Gratuitous violence praised I see.
>
>You'd do the same. Jesus taught you well.
Now't wrong with wi' money changers lad and they
>On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 13:29:35 +0000, Les Hellawell <les...@here.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:11:19 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:30:34 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <8tsul71s90b21ktlr...@4ax.com>, duke
>>>><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 06:08:34 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny
>>>>>McCormack) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>In article <5fj2bf....@news.alt.net>, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
>>>>>>>overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>>>>>>>world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But they are not, given that 98% of so-called "Catholics" practice BC,
>>>>>>thereby putting themselves outside the Holy Church.
>>>>>
>>>>>No, because all mankind are sinners, including the Pope. Try discussing
>>>>>something you understand.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Calling oneself an X does not, in an of itself, make one an X. One must
>>>>>>meet the requirements.
>>>>>
>>>>>According to God, only one man never sinned - Jesus Christ.
>>>>>
>>>>• He beat up puchcart merchants.
>>>
>>>They were desecrating his Father's house. Good for him.
>>
>>Gratuitous violence praised I see.
>
>You'd do the same. Jesus taught you well.
gave the building a useful function where it had
none before
Christopher A. Lee
Mar 16, 2012, 8:39:13 AM3/16/12
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assholes for being assholes in China.
linuxgal
Mar 15, 2012, 6:27:48 PM3/15/12
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pnyikos wrote:
> On Mar 13, 12:27 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 08:17:13 +0100, Daniel Hoehr <daniel.ho...@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>>> The endless
>>> debates about women as 'priests
>> God said "no dice". End of issue.
>
> Not the way the Pope put it. Pope JPII said that the RCC does not have
> the authority to ordain women priests.
It wasn't always that way. In Romans 16, Paul mentions Junia, who was
> On Mar 13, 12:27 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 08:17:13 +0100, Daniel Hoehr <daniel.ho...@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>>> The endless
>>> debates about women as 'priests
>> God said "no dice". End of issue.
>
> Not the way the Pope put it. Pope JPII said that the RCC does not have
> the authority to ordain women priests.
"of note among the apostles". Somewhere along the way the misogynists
took over.
• R. L. Measures.
Mar 16, 2012, 11:56:03 AM3/16/12
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In article <aab6m7lpo6ifkdkei...@4ax.com>, duke
• symbolically the Jerusalem Temple. He put an end to Judaism's
paganesque BBQ.
paganesque BBQ.
• R. L. Measures.
Mar 16, 2012, 11:57:41 AM3/16/12
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• R. L. Measures.
Mar 16, 2012, 11:58:40 AM3/16/12
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• R. L. Measures.
Mar 16, 2012, 12:00:13 PM3/16/12
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In article <9rb6m7147dnulk3kr...@4ax.com>, duke
<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 03:47:58 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
>>In article
>><0bdfdef1-7b9b-4a0a...@l7g2000vbw.googlegroups.com>,
>>pnyikos <nyi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mar 13, 12:27=A0pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 08:17:13 +0100, Daniel Hoehr <daniel.ho...@gmx.net> w=
>>>rote:
>>>
>>>> > The endless
>>>> >debates about women as 'priests
>>>>
>>>> God said "no dice". =A0End of issue.
>>>
>>>Not the way the Pope put it. Pope JPII said that the RCC does not have
>>>the authority to ordain women priests. So it would be better to say,
>>>"God didn't give the RCC the dice."
>>>
>>>And there is nothing there that rules out God making a miracle in
>>>which it becomes clear that the Church does have the authority after
>>>all.
>>
>>• How much authority can an organization have that tolerated and abetted
>>pedophile priests?
>
>They never did such.
>
• They tolerated and abetted them from at least as far back as 1915,
>On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 03:47:58 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
>>In article
>><0bdfdef1-7b9b-4a0a...@l7g2000vbw.googlegroups.com>,
>>pnyikos <nyi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mar 13, 12:27=A0pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 08:17:13 +0100, Daniel Hoehr <daniel.ho...@gmx.net> w=
>>>rote:
>>>
>>>> > The endless
>>>> >debates about women as 'priests
>>>>
>>>> God said "no dice". =A0End of issue.
>>>
>>>Not the way the Pope put it. Pope JPII said that the RCC does not have
>>>the authority to ordain women priests. So it would be better to say,
>>>"God didn't give the RCC the dice."
>>>
>>>And there is nothing there that rules out God making a miracle in
>>>which it becomes clear that the Church does have the authority after
>>>all.
>>
>>• How much authority can an organization have that tolerated and abetted
>>pedophile priests?
>
>They never did such.
>
duke
Mar 16, 2012, 4:23:34 PM3/16/12
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duke
Mar 16, 2012, 4:24:20 PM3/16/12
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>On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:11:19 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:30:34 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <8tsul71s90b21ktlr...@4ax.com>, duke
>>><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 06:08:34 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny
>>>>McCormack) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In article <5fj2bf....@news.alt.net>, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
>>>>>>overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>>>>>>world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>>>>>
>>>>>But they are not, given that 98% of so-called "Catholics" practice BC,
>>>>>thereby putting themselves outside the Holy Church.
>>>>
>>>>No, because all mankind are sinners, including the Pope. Try discussing
>>>>something you understand.
>>>>
>>>>>Calling oneself an X does not, in an of itself, make one an X. One must
>>>>>meet the requirements.
>>>>
>>>>According to God, only one man never sinned - Jesus Christ.
>>>>
>>>• He beat up puchcart merchants.
>>
>>They were desecrating his Father's house. Good for him.
>
>Gratuitous violence praised I see.
>
>Not untypical from a Christian of course.
It's not nice to desecrate God's house.
>
>>On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:30:34 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <8tsul71s90b21ktlr...@4ax.com>, duke
>>><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 06:08:34 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny
>>>>McCormack) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In article <5fj2bf....@news.alt.net>, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
>>>>>>overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
>>>>>>world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>>>>>
>>>>>But they are not, given that 98% of so-called "Catholics" practice BC,
>>>>>thereby putting themselves outside the Holy Church.
>>>>
>>>>No, because all mankind are sinners, including the Pope. Try discussing
>>>>something you understand.
>>>>
>>>>>Calling oneself an X does not, in an of itself, make one an X. One must
>>>>>meet the requirements.
>>>>
>>>>According to God, only one man never sinned - Jesus Christ.
>>>>
>>>• He beat up puchcart merchants.
>>
>>They were desecrating his Father's house. Good for him.
>
>Gratuitous violence praised I see.
>
>Not untypical from a Christian of course.
duke
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duke
Mar 16, 2012, 4:26:31 PM3/16/12
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MarkA
Mar 16, 2012, 8:17:16 PM3/16/12
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a cultural construct, and not some absolute pronouncement from God? Many
fundies don't understand that.
--
MarkA
If you can read this, you can stop reading now.
• R. L. Measures.
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In article <g987m795iprd7ecpa...@4ax.com>, duke
• how do you know the exchange rates were unfair Duke?
� R. L. Measures.
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Mike Painter
Mar 17, 2012, 1:01:03 AM3/17/12
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On 3/16/2012 1:25 PM, duke wrote:
<snip>
>>>
>>> You'd do the same. Jesus taught you well.
>>
>> Now't wrong with wi' money changers lad and they
>> gave the building a useful function where it had
>> none before
>
> And what function had to be there?
>
Good old Earl, still getting a sore butt from sticking both feet in his
mouth and landing on his ass.
Money lenders were not just useful, they were absolutely essential to
the faith. You could not have pictures on the coins so they traded real
money for fake money.
The RCC uses baskets and skips the fake money part.
It's been postulated that if JC was real, this act was essentially
suicide by cop. It explains why all his followers were not hunted down
and killed.
<snip>
>>>
>>> You'd do the same. Jesus taught you well.
>>
>> Now't wrong with wi' money changers lad and they
>> gave the building a useful function where it had
>> none before
>
> And what function had to be there?
>
mouth and landing on his ass.
Money lenders were not just useful, they were absolutely essential to
the faith. You could not have pictures on the coins so they traded real
money for fake money.
The RCC uses baskets and skips the fake money part.
It's been postulated that if JC was real, this act was essentially
suicide by cop. It explains why all his followers were not hunted down
and killed.
duke
Mar 17, 2012, 7:37:57 AM3/17/12
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duke
Mar 17, 2012, 7:39:52 AM3/17/12
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On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 22:01:03 -0700, Mike Painter <md.pa...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
>On 3/16/2012 1:25 PM, duke wrote:
><snip>
>
>>>>
>>>> You'd do the same. Jesus taught you well.
>>>
>>> Now't wrong with wi' money changers lad and they
>>> gave the building a useful function where it had
>>> none before
>>
>> And what function had to be there?
>Good old Earl, still getting a sore butt from sticking both feet in his
>mouth and landing on his ass.
Hey, mikey. How's that hydraulic defib unit working?
>Money lenders were not just useful, they were absolutely essential to
>the faith. You could not have pictures on the coins so they traded real
>money for fake money.
>The RCC uses baskets and skips the fake money part.
Uh, you mean in the Jewish temple, don't you?
>It's been postulated that if JC was real, this act was essentially
>suicide by cop. It explains why all his followers were not hunted down
>and killed.
The Jews killed the Jews?
wrote:
>On 3/16/2012 1:25 PM, duke wrote:
><snip>
>
>>>>
>>>> You'd do the same. Jesus taught you well.
>>>
>>> Now't wrong with wi' money changers lad and they
>>> gave the building a useful function where it had
>>> none before
>>
>> And what function had to be there?
>Good old Earl, still getting a sore butt from sticking both feet in his
>mouth and landing on his ass.
>Money lenders were not just useful, they were absolutely essential to
>the faith. You could not have pictures on the coins so they traded real
>money for fake money.
>The RCC uses baskets and skips the fake money part.
>It's been postulated that if JC was real, this act was essentially
>suicide by cop. It explains why all his followers were not hunted down
>and killed.
Alan Ferris
Mar 17, 2012, 10:59:41 AM3/17/12
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>On 3/16/2012 1:25 PM, duke wrote:
><snip>
>
>>>>
>>>> You'd do the same. Jesus taught you well.
>>>
>>> Now't wrong with wi' money changers lad and they
>>> gave the building a useful function where it had
>>> none before
>>
>> And what function had to be there?
>>
>Good old Earl, still getting a sore butt from sticking both feet in his
>mouth and landing on his ass.
>
>Money lenders were not just useful, they were absolutely essential to
>the faith.
But Earl denies they had money then:
><snip>
>
>>>>
>>>> You'd do the same. Jesus taught you well.
>>>
>>> Now't wrong with wi' money changers lad and they
>>> gave the building a useful function where it had
>>> none before
>>
>> And what function had to be there?
>>
>Good old Earl, still getting a sore butt from sticking both feet in his
>mouth and landing on his ass.
>
>Money lenders were not just useful, they were absolutely essential to
>the faith.
"Nobody had money 2000 years ago." - duke (Earl Webber)
"no one had a job, so no money." - duke (Earl Webber)
"Nobody had money 2000 years ago." - duke (Earl Webber)
Truly Earl's ignorance knows no bounds.
Christopher A. Lee
Mar 17, 2012, 11:38:41 AM3/17/12
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Daniel Hoehr
Mar 17, 2012, 12:52:39 PM3/17/12
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definitions of the world.
DH
• R. L. Measures.
Mar 17, 2012, 1:52:22 PM3/17/12
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In article <rrt8m7h7n0i5r569l...@4ax.com>, duke
• So it was the exchange rate that enraged him and caused him to lose it?
Alan Ferris
Mar 17, 2012, 4:35:12 PM3/17/12
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in his bible!
--
Ferrit
()'.'.'()
( (T) )
( ) . ( )
(")_(")
Paul Duca
Mar 17, 2012, 5:02:47 PM3/17/12
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prosperous professional man in his society...i.e., the first
Republican.
Paul
linuxgal
Mar 17, 2012, 2:03:38 AM3/17/12
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Paul Duca wrote:
>
> Earl once said that Joseph was not a humble carpenter, but a
> prosperous professional man in his society...i.e., the first
> Republican.
Kind of like an ancient Joe the Plumber I guess.
>
> Earl once said that Joseph was not a humble carpenter, but a
> prosperous professional man in his society...i.e., the first
> Republican.
Paul Duca
Mar 17, 2012, 5:04:16 PM3/17/12
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On Mar 17, 12:52 pm, Daniel Hoehr <daniel.ho...@gmx.net> wrote:
> Am 16.03.2012 14:21, schrieb default:
>
> > On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 00:49:45 -0700, Rockinghorse Winner
> > <rwinner@remove_this.hmamail.com> wrote:
>
> >> The Church is more than making up for the losses in Europe by their growth
> >> in developing countries: Asia and Africa, most notably. Also, China is now
> >> officially off limits to evangelism. What opportunities for the Church when
> >> it finally becomes free and open!
>
> >> Terry
>
> > Interesting choice of words - "free and open." The church is neither
> > free or open....
>
> The Church is indeed free and open.
>
The world does not define "free and open" as "submit, obey, and ignore
> Am 16.03.2012 14:21, schrieb default:
>
> > On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 00:49:45 -0700, Rockinghorse Winner
> > <rwinner@remove_this.hmamail.com> wrote:
>
> >> The Church is more than making up for the losses in Europe by their growth
> >> in developing countries: Asia and Africa, most notably. Also, China is now
> >> officially off limits to evangelism. What opportunities for the Church when
> >> it finally becomes free and open!
>
> >> Terry
>
> > Interesting choice of words - "free and open." The church is neither
> > free or open....
>
> The Church is indeed free and open.
>
everything not told you by the Church".
Paul
Alan Ferris
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duke
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� R. L. Measures.
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In article <ukpbm756ai7looa32...@4ax.com>, duke
� If anybody did not like their exchange rate they could have gone to a
box-store money-exchange during the week and bought shekels there.
box-store money-exchange during the week and bought shekels there.
Paul Duca
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On Mar 18, 9:44 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 10:52:22 -0700, r...@somis.org ( R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
>
>
> >In article <rrt8m7h7n0i5r569lhihq3p9gf5u1rk...@4ax.com>, duke
> On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 10:52:22 -0700, r...@somis.org ( R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
>
>
> ><duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >>On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:39:08 -0700, r...@somis.org ( R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
> >>>In article <g987m795iprd7ecpart3ac81moidoim...@4ax.com>, duke
>
> >>On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:39:08 -0700, r...@somis.org ( R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
> >>><duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:57:41 -0700, r...@somis.org ( R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
> >>>>>In article <eeb6m7pp0v6lo5bb83bmc8t4gbp49es...@4ax.com>, duke
>
> >>>>On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:57:41 -0700, r...@somis.org ( R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
> >>>>><duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 03:42:57 -0700, r...@somis.org ( R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>In article
> >>>>>>><617ba887-a37e-46b8-bb5e-4212a03ae...@b18g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >>>>>>On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 03:42:57 -0700, r...@somis.org ( R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>In article
duke
Mar 19, 2012, 2:35:34 PM3/19/12
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• R. L. Measures.
Mar 19, 2012, 5:36:39 PM3/19/12
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Alan Ferris
Mar 19, 2012, 7:01:26 PM3/19/12
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On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 13:35:34 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>• If anybody did not like their exchange rate they could have gone to a
>>box-store money-exchange during the week and bought shekels there.
>
>Nah,
"Nobody had money 2000 years ago." - duke (Earl Weber)
>>• If anybody did not like their exchange rate they could have gone to a
>>box-store money-exchange during the week and bought shekels there.
>
>Nah,
"no one had a job, so no money." - duke (Earl Weber)
Matthew 22:19 "Show me the coin used for paying the tax..."
panamfloyd@hotmail.com rade
Mar 19, 2012, 7:42:00 PM3/19/12
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On Mar 12, 10:52 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
> Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
Yeah, in countries without indoor plumbing. <chuckle>
http://www.prb.org/Articles/2005/TheChangingDemographicsofRomanCatholics.aspx
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://www.rationalist.com.au/archive/73/p20-27_paul_ar73_web.pdf
> Evidently, the voice of decency, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, is
> overcoming the cries of the Catholic-bashers. 1.196 billion people
> world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>
> http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/vatican-statistics-show-cathol...
> world-wide identify themselves as "Roman Catholic".
>
Yeah, in countries without indoor plumbing. <chuckle>
http://www.prb.org/Articles/2005/TheChangingDemographicsofRomanCatholics.aspx
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://www.rationalist.com.au/archive/73/p20-27_paul_ar73_web.pdf
Paul Duca
Mar 19, 2012, 10:50:53 PM3/19/12
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On Mar 19, 2:35 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:20:47 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
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> >In article <ukpbm756ai7looa32l7cimav3v58rfq...@4ax.com>, duke
> On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:20:47 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
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> ><duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
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> >>On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 10:52:22 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
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> >>>In article <rrt8m7h7n0i5r569lhihq3p9gf5u1rk...@4ax.com>, duke
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> >>On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 10:52:22 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
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> >>><duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
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> >>>>On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:39:08 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
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> >>>>>In article <g987m795iprd7ecpart3ac81moidoim...@4ax.com>, duke
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> >>>>On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:39:08 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
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> >>>>><duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
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> >>>>>>On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:57:41 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
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> >>>>>>>In article <eeb6m7pp0v6lo5bb83bmc8t4gbp49es...@4ax.com>, duke
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> >>>>>>On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:57:41 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
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> >>>>>>><duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 03:42:57 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L.
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> >>>>>>>>On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 03:42:57 -0700, r...@somis.org (• R. L.
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Paul Duca
Mar 19, 2012, 10:53:19 PM3/19/12
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Paul
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Mar 19, 2012, 10:56:35 PM3/19/12
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• R. L. Measures.
Mar 20, 2012, 8:59:25 AM3/20/12
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In article
<182996da-5931-452d...@gw9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, Paul
Duca <paul....@gmail.com> wrote:
• In Nixon's Administration the Plumbers were important.
<182996da-5931-452d...@gw9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, Paul
Duca <paul....@gmail.com> wrote:
duke
Mar 20, 2012, 2:52:57 PM3/20/12
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just next door.
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Mar 20, 2012, 4:21:32 PM3/20/12
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In article <mekhm7pkdniur2cgg...@4ax.com>, duke
• It was a fairly long walk from the Jerusalem Temple to the business
district. If the on-site exchange rates were over the top,
Temple goers would have bought sheckles during the week.
district. If the on-site exchange rates were over the top,
Temple goers would have bought sheckles during the week.
linuxgal
Mar 20, 2012, 6:18:12 AM3/20/12
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• R. L. Measures. wrote:
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> • In Nixon's Administration the Plumbers were important.
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::Rimshot::
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> • In Nixon's Administration the Plumbers were important.
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duke
Mar 21, 2012, 8:36:48 AM3/21/12
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Mar 21, 2012, 4:17:42 PM3/21/12
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In article <dpijm7ldbk9g9c73v...@4ax.com>, duke
• People who don't shop around for the best price are that.
duke
Mar 22, 2012, 1:05:04 PM3/22/12
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Mar 22, 2012, 4:43:28 PM3/22/12
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In article <msmmm7lljf5vs4ten...@4ax.com>, duke
• The business that want's to get to the top. Saul Price's original
Price Club / now Costco is a good example. The prices are generally low,
they don't sell schlock, they don't put Pink Slime in their ground beef,
and their gasoline price is the best in the area.
Price Club / now Costco is a good example. The prices are generally low,
they don't sell schlock, they don't put Pink Slime in their ground beef,
and their gasoline price is the best in the area.
duke
Mar 23, 2012, 12:23:12 PM3/23/12
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